[ale] C Compiler for Linux

Sun Jun 26 23:10:20 EDT 2011

On 06/26/2011 10:16 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>
> Yeah. It's a good learning tool and great for those suffering from 
> "geezeritis".
>
How about Oletimerz!!:-)
> On Jun 26, 2011 10:14 PM, "Scott Castaline" <skotchman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:skotchman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > On 06/26/2011 09:26 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >> A suggestion on gaining skills in vim:
> >>
> >> don't use anything but vim
> >>
> >> gedit is a good tool for doing cut-n-paste from firefox and the like
> >> when the goal is to assemble an array of disconnected info to be used
> >> in another format like LOwriter. But for coding, not so good. (and to
> >> think I first coded in pico and designed to work around the
> >> line-length limits of pico)
> >>
> >> There is also gvim which is vim with an X-windows environment. Works
> >> just like vim from a shell but also has menus you can use when you
> >> can't recall the commands. Importantly, it shows the cli-version
> >> commands to use as the menu shortcuts so you learn vim.
> > Now that sounds like my speed. I can never remember stuff like that, 
> I'm
> > lucky if I remember that my name is Sam,,,or is it George? Or maybe Bob
> > spelled backwards..........
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Ron Frazier
> >> <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com 
> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com> 
> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com 
> <mailto:atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> JD,
> >>
> >> Thanks for all this info. I'm saving it for the time when I need it.
> >> Thanks too, for the offer of help. I may take you up on it at some
> >> point. Until I get more thoroughly into VIM, do you know anything
> >> about
> >> using gedit for editing?
> >>
> >> To the others who've replied to my posting, thank you, whether I
> >> personally replied to every one or not.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On 6/24/2011 10:33 PM, JD wrote:
> >> > On 06/24/2011 05:09 PM, Ron Frazier wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Rich,
> >> >>
> >> >> Even though we've discussed some of this on the phone, I
> >> thought I'd
> >> >> share it with the group.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've been threatening to relearn programming for 15 years, and I'm
> >> >> hoping to actually carry out the threat. 15 years ago, I
> >> programmed in
> >> >> Clipper, a C like database language. I posted a thread a few
> >> months
> >> >> back on this list talking about developing in C#. However, the
> >> people
> >> >> here convinced me that C++ would be better. I now hope to plow
> >> through
> >> >> the book "Programming Principles and Practice Using C++" by Bjarne
> >> >> Stroustrup (the inventor of C++). I'm hoping to do cross platform
> >> >> development. I'm going to use Visual C++ Express on Windows,
> >> which is
> >> >> free. On Linux, I've hit on the GCC compiler, as suggested by
> >> others.
> >> >> I don't know how to use the make system, at this point, but
> >> compiling
> >> >> small programs with a few source files seems to be very simple. I
> >> >> believe you can go through this entire book without an IDE. I
> >> know that
> >> >> the gedit editor in Ubuntu does syntax highlighting and auto
> >> indention
> >> >> for C / C++ files. I'll probably start out using that. I may
> >> also try
> >> >> VIM as I've had just enough experience with VI in the past to be
> >> >> dangerous. (I basically know the insert, delete line, and
> >> write file
> >> >> commands.) Obviously, I would have to learn more about VIM for
> >> serious
> >> >> programming, but you can do a lot with just those commands,
> >> although not
> >> >> very efficiently. By the way, this book also talks about a cross
> >> >> platform minimal graphics toolkit called FLTK (faster than light
> >> >> toolkit, I think) which can be used to put basic windows and
> >> buttons on
> >> >> the screen, etc. When I graduate to an IDE, I'll probably try
> >> NetBeans
> >> >> or Eclipse. I believe Eclipse can run on Windows too.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > You don't need an IDE and when you are starting out, it
> >> complicates and
> >> > hides things that you really need to know. You need 3 terminals.
> >> >
> >> > * Any good syntax highlighting editor in a window (vim, geany,
> >> or cough
> >> > emacs). Geany does a halstat on functions and classes which is very
> >> > useful without all the bloat that java-based IDEs bring.
> >> > * in another term, use make
> >> > * debugger like gdb or xxgdb if you want a GUI. I haven't done
> >> > debugging in years, so does xxgdb still exist?
> >> >
> >> > You also want to use a version control system. These days I like
> >> BZR,
> >> > but GIT is useful too.
> >> >
> >> > Vim is probably the most efficient editor ever created. You just
> >> need to
> >> > know how to use it. I've used many different editors of all sorts,
> >> > brief, spf-edit, emacs, vi, Visual C++, geany, notepad++,
> >> eclipse ...
> >> > none of them compare to vim in the hands of a power user. I
> >> migrated
> >> > from emacs to vim when I kept changing into vi-mode to get
> >> things done.
> >> > Anyway, an editor is a very personal decision and you'll need to
> >> pick
> >> > the best for yourself.
> >> >
> >> > You can start with simple bash scripts to build your initial
> >> projects.
> >> > It isn't like they will be all that large or take more than a
> >> few seconds.
> >> > make ... ah, make. tabs matter. Be certain that your editor isn't
> >> > "helping you" by replacing tabs with spaces. If that happens, your
> >> > Makefile will never work. I think gmake is the default make in
> >> Linux,
> >> > which is good. It has been more than a few years since I wrote any
> >> > makefiles, but if you provide a sample and ask a question, I can
> >> help.
> >> > I may even have a makefile template around here on an old CD
> >> backup from
> >> > work ... long ago.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might
> >> want to
> >> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate
> >> energy
> >> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very
> >> quickly.)
> >>
> >> Ron Frazier
> >>
> >> 770-205-9422 <tel:770-205-9422> (O) Leave a message.
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> >>
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> >> James P. Kinney III
> >>
> >> As long as the general population is passive, apathetic, diverted to
> >> consumerism or hatred of the vulnerable, then the powerful can do as
> >> they please, and those who survive will be left to contemplate the
> >> outcome.
> >> - ////2011 Noam Chomsky
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