[ale] Backups (What are you using?)

Brandon Colbert colbert.brandon at gmail.com
Tue Jan 27 15:33:19 EST 2009


Needing Bacula for restores was one of my concerns. I came from a Tivoli
background, and from my knowledge you have to use Tivoli to restore as well.
I know what you mean though it is a risk factor.

Thank You.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Crawford Rainwater <
crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com> wrote:

> Okay, I am chiming in late on this thread.
>
> To answer the original question, "is anyone using Bacula?", yes we have
> some clients that asked for such.  Not too bad, takes some getting use to,
> and if you have the passwords out of sync somewhere a pain to trouble shoot
> where that happened.  Aside from that, no major problem.  This is Bacula on
> CentOS, Ubuntu, and Windows Server systems for reference.
>
> What do we prefer though you might ask?  Well, Amanda (Community version)
> and Zmanda (Enterprise version).  Why?  Because one does not need Amanda to
> restore a backup (file or tape) since it uses PGP and bzip2 or gzip (your
> preference).  To compare, Bacula needs Bacula to restore from a backup which
> we saw as a possible "con" or negative.  Additionally, Zmanda allows one to
> backup to the Amazon S3 Cloud which for some of our clients with multiple
> GBs of daily increments (medical based clients for those wondering)...this
> saves on definite tape expenses.  So those were nice "pro" points.
>
> Just some food for thought.  If folks want more or even some Zmanda
> licenses (Linux ETC is a Zmanda reseller) feel free to email me directly off
> list.
>
> --- Crawford
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>
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> ----- ale-request at ale.org wrote:
> > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:42:03 -0500
> > From: Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Backups (What are you using?)
> >
> > Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> > implementation time. LOL
> >
> >
> > 5. *Enterprise Backup Solution* - http://bacula.org/en/
> >
> > This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> > environment that has 20 or more servers.
> >
> > Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> > 12-bay
> > storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> > backup
> > software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the data.
> > It
> > emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the
> > storage pool
> > concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage
> > will
> > always been online and serve as the main online storage for the
> > backup
> > solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it
> > will be
> > treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy to
> > that
> > storage pool it writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the drives
> > are
> > full they can be taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with
> > new
> > ones. The hard disks will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box at
> > a
> > bank. The bank will provide higher security, and will compensate
> > [Company
> > Name] if the data is stolen. The other servers will run a backup
> > client that
> > will communicate to the server when it needs a restore or backup.
> > Backup
> > schedules can be set for the all clients.
> >
> >
> >
> >  *Cost Estimate:*
> >
> > *OFF-LINE Storage*
> >
> > SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
> >
> > Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
> >
> > 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> > 469.00
> >
> > 4TB = 540.00
> >
> > Total = 1053.00
> >
> >
> >  Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
> >
> >
> >  *ON-LINE Storage*
> >
> > 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> > with
> > expander 1800.00
> >
> > Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
> >
> > 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
> >
> > 6TB = 820.00
> >
> > Total = 3406.00
> >
> >
> >  Grand Total = 4459.00
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon Colbert
> > <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > >  Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it
> > is
> > > implementation time. LOL
> > >
> > >
> > > 5. *Enterprise Backup Solution* - http://bacula.org/en/
> > >
> > > This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> > > environment that has 20 or more servers.
> > >
> > > Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> > 12-bay
> > > storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source
> > Enterprise backup
> > > software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of the
> > data. It
> > > emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses the
> > storage pool
> > > concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay RAID storage
> > will
> > > always been online and serve as the main online storage for the
> > backup
> > > solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set (JBOD), and it
> > will be
> > > treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the off-site copy
> > to that
> > > storage pool it writes it to one of the 4 drives. Once all the
> > drives are
> > > full they can be taken out (hot-swapping online), and replaced with
> > new
> > > ones. The hard disks will be taken to a fire proof safe deposit box
> > at a
> > > bank. The bank will provide higher security, and will compensate
> > [Company
> > > Name] if the data is stolen. The other servers will run a backup
> > client that
> > > will communicate to the server when it needs a restore or backup.
> > Backup
> > > schedules can be set for the all clients.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  *Cost Estimate:*
> > >
> > > *OFF-LINE Storage*
> > >
> > > SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
> > >
> > > Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
> > >
> > > 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> > 469.00
> > >
> > > 4TB = 540.00
> > >
> > > Total = 1053.00
> > >
> > >
> > >  Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
> > >
> > >
> > >  *ON-LINE Storage*
> > >
> > > 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> > with
> > > expander 1800.00
> > >
> > > Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
> > >
> > > 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
> > >
> > > 6TB = 820.00
> > >
> > > Total = 3406.00
> > >
> > >
> > >  Grand Total = 4459.00
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'm surprised no one has added the "I don't do backups 'cause all
> > the
> > >> important stuff is in-my-head/hardcopy".
> > >>
> > >> NASA has a truly horrid backup problem. They have so much data
> > that
> > >> the media is beginning to fail before they can get back around to
> > >> transfer it to another format. There is stuff from the early
> > Mercury
> > >> and Gemini days that is not searchable as it is on paper (that is
> > >> rotting away - pre acid-free days) and much of the moon landing
> > data
> > >> that is electronic is on tape media with no remaining drives that
> > >> function.
> > >>
> > >> Imagine needing to backup dozens of TB that is readable at only
> > 2-3Kb/s!
> > >>
> > >> 2009/1/26 Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>:
> > >> > All,
> > >> >
> > >> > Today I proposed a new backup solution using Bacula. Does anyone
> > have
> > >> Bacula
> > >> > deployed in their environment? I just wanted to see what everyone
> > else
> > >> is
> > >> > using.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Ale mailing list
> > >> > Ale at ale.org
> > >> > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> --
> > >> James P. Kinney III
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Ale mailing list
> > >> Ale at ale.org
> > >> http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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> > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:01:42 -0500
> > From: "Jeff Lightner" <jlightner at water.com>
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Backups (What are you using?)
> > To: <ale at ale.org>
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> > "industry standard"  - Not sure I buy that.
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems clear there are people using it but from my work in the
> > "industry" it is not the "standard".
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> > Brandon Colbert
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:42 PM
> > To: ale at ale.org
> > Subject: Re: [ale] Backups (What are you using?)
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> > implementation time. LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. Enterprise Backup Solution - http://bacula.org/en/
> >
> > This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> > environment that has 20 or more servers.
> >
> > Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> > 12-bay
> > storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> > backup software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of
> > the
> > data. It emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses
> > the
> > storage pool concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay
> > RAID
> > storage will always been online and serve as the main online storage
> > for
> > the backup solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set
> > (JBOD),
> > and it will be treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the
> > off-site copy to that storage pool it writes it to one of the 4
> > drives.
> > Once all the drives are full they can be taken out (hot-swapping
> > online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks will be taken to
> > a
> > fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide higher
> > security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen.
> > The
> > other servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the
> > server when it needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set
> > for the all clients.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cost Estimate:
> >
> > OFF-LINE Storage
> >
> > SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
> >
> > Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
> >
> > 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> > 469.00
> >
> >
> > 4TB = 540.00
> >
> > Total = 1053.00
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
> >
> >
> >
> > ON-LINE Storage
> >
> > 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> > with
> > expander 1800.00
> >
> > Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
> >
> > 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
> >
> > 6TB = 820.00
> >
> > Total = 3406.00
> >
> >
> >
> > Grand Total = 4459.00
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Brandon Colbert
> > <colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is what our solution is going to be. I sold the idea now it is
> > implementation time. LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > 5. Enterprise Backup Solution - http://bacula.org/en/
> >
> > This concept is an industry standard that is used in an enterprise
> > environment that has 20 or more servers.
> >
> > Three hardware components are involved in this process: server,
> > 12-bay
> > storage, 4 bay storage. The server will run an Open Source Enterprise
> > backup software that consists of a SQL database that keeps track of
> > the
> > data. It emails and provides detail reports daily. The software uses
> > the
> > storage pool concept like the commercial applications. The 12 bay
> > RAID
> > storage will always been online and serve as the main online storage
> > for
> > the backup solution. The 4 bay storage will not be in a RAID set
> > (JBOD),
> > and it will be treated as tape(off-line). When the server makes the
> > off-site copy to that storage pool it writes it to one of the 4
> > drives.
> > Once all the drives are full they can be taken out (hot-swapping
> > online), and replaced with new ones. The hard disks will be taken to
> > a
> > fire proof safe deposit box at a bank. The bank will provide higher
> > security, and will compensate [Company Name] if the data is stolen.
> > The
> > other servers will run a backup client that will communicate to the
> > server when it needs a restore or backup. Backup schedules can be set
> > for the all clients.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cost Estimate:
> >
> > OFF-LINE Storage
> >
> > SC-ESATA-PCIE2 image
> >
> > Silicon Image 2-Port eSATA RAID Controller SC-ESATA-PCIE2 44.00
> >
> > 1U Rackmount SATA Port Multiplier Enclosure w/4 trays SC-SAT4PM1U
> > 469.00
> >
> >
> > 4TB = 540.00
> >
> > Total = 1053.00
> >
> >
> >
> > Hard Disk: 135.00 1TB
> >
> >
> >
> > ON-LINE Storage
> >
> > 12-bay 2U SAS/SATA Rackmount JBOD w/Redundant 500W PSU SC-SAT122URD
> > with
> > expander 1800.00
> >
> > Areca ARC-1680ix-8 SAS RAID Controller SC-ARC1680ix-8 739.00
> >
> > 1m External MiniSAS Cable SFF-8088 to SFF-8088 SAS-8888-1M 47.00
> >
> > 6TB = 820.00
> >
> > Total = 3406.00
> >
> >
> >
> > Grand Total = 4459.00
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm surprised no one has added the "I don't do backups 'cause all the
> > important stuff is in-my-head/hardcopy".
> >
> > NASA has a truly horrid backup problem. They have so much data that
> > the media is beginning to fail before they can get back around to
> > transfer it to another format. There is stuff from the early Mercury
> > and Gemini days that is not searchable as it is on paper (that is
> > rotting away - pre acid-free days) and much of the moon landing data
> > that is electronic is on tape media with no remaining drives that
> > function.
> >
> > Imagine needing to backup dozens of TB that is readable at only
> > 2-3Kb/s!
> >
> > 2009/1/26 Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com>:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Today I proposed a new backup solution using Bacula. Does anyone
> > have
> > Bacula
> > > deployed in their environment? I just wanted to see what everyone
> > else
> > is
> > > using.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > James P. Kinney III
> >
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