[ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")

Wed Oct 9 21:33:19 EDT 2013

It's 95 years after the death of the author.  His/her heirs get to 
retain the copyright for like forever.

On 10/09/2013 04:40 PM, Scott Plante wrote:
> They just bump up the limit whenever early Mickey Mouse copyrights get 
> close to expiring. I believe they're at 95 years now, which is more 
> than long enough to take care of the authors/creators for their 
> lifetimes assuming they're not small children when they create the 
> copyrighted works.
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from my tablet.
>
> On Oct 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com 
> <mailto:JLightner at water.com>> wrote:
>
>> I recall the Ballantine Books copy I had back in the 70s contained a 
>> blurb on the back written by JRR saying something along the lines of 
>> "Those who approve of courtesy (to a living author at least) should 
>> by this version and no other." Which always made me think someone 
>> else was publishing his books because he'd let the copyright lapse.
>>
>> I have heard discussion that Copyrights in Europe are far longer than 
>> the US and we're getting the longer Copyrights for some things to be 
>> more congruent with them.
>>
>> *From:*ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org> 
>> [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim Kinney
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 09, 2013 5:05 PM
>> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>> *Subject:* Re: [ale] Monitoring (Was "Todays trends")
>>
>> Excellent! That is what I am looking for. did not know the history.
>>
>> The tolkien family is a bit nutty. Shouldn't that book series be out 
>> of copyright by now?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Chris Ricker <chris.ricker at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:chris.ricker at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Xymon (previously hobbit) is the open source replacement / successor 
>> to Big Brother. http://xymon.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> It started out as a patch addon to speed up BB, back in the days when 
>> BB was not quite free software but did provide source code. After 
>> Quest closed the BB source (even for paid licensees such as yours 
>> truly who were running it on hardware they refused to provide 
>> binaries for --way to honor that license, Quest!) hobbit evolved into 
>> its own thing and most of the developer community around BB went with 
>> it. Then the Tolkien family came after it, so now it's Xymon....
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/9/13 1:42 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
>>
>>     http://communities.quest.com/community/big-brother?view=overview#/?tagSet=1217
>>
>>     Looks like BB is $0. It is certainly NOT open source. compiled
>>     binaries for many platforms.
>>
>>     On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jim.kinney at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Big Brother's background color was a simple and brilliant way to
>>     show overall health. Big Sister, the FLOSS BB rewrite, never
>>     managed to hit critical mass but made it to a 1.0+ release in
>>     2006. BB is still around after being acquired by Quest (and now
>>     Dell has Quest it appears?) but is no longer "free". It never was
>>     FLOSS.
>>
>>     Nagios configuration is convoluted. Don't like it. _REALLY_ want
>>     some solid logic to add besides time and pester-me counts. If
>>     this AND this but NOT this then flag once and don't page until
>>     this followed by this however if this AND this AND this page NOW
>>     (yeah - good luck with that).
>>
>>     I been a consumer of Zabbix and found it a better layout that
>>     nagios. An install of zabbix is soon in my future.
>>
>>     On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:questy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     On Oct 9, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Lightner, Jeff" <JLightner at water.com
>>     <mailto:JLightner at water.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     > So the issue wasn't Nagios - it was the folks managing it.
>>     >
>>     > Nagios is a great tool and we use it in Production.
>>
>>
>>
>>     I'll bite.  Nobody better to discuss with than the ALE family...
>>
>>
>>     So, I hate Nagios.  Can't express how much I dislike the product,
>>     the layout of the alerting, the lack of a comprehensive, easy to
>>     see and understand dashboard with easily managed/administered
>>     acknowledgements, mobile accessibility, automation, escalation
>>     paging... you name it.
>>
>>     Now, before you freak out, I know it's all in there, but I
>>     personally find it markedly difficult to find all this stuff in
>>     the way Nagios has decided to lay everything out.
>>
>>
>>     Is this just a "me" thing?  Is it because my earliest and most
>>     often used monitoring stuff is from a "Big Brother" background?
>>      (BB, Hobbit, Xymon, Foglight, Spotlight)
>>
>>
>>     What's the general landscape of monitoring tools and utilities in
>>     use out there?
>>
>>
>>     --Jerald
>>
>>
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