[ale] NAS enclosure recommendations?

Ron Frazier (ALE) atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com
Mon May 13 22:16:12 EDT 2013


Hi Jim,

The Jungledisk client for Amazon S3 supports pre internet encryption.  I use a long complex pass phrase, which I store in a secret note in Lastpass.  Amazon sees nothing but a big blob of noise.  I have Lastpass on every system, so, hopefully, there's nothing that will take out all my computers and my tablet at once.

Sincerely,

Ron


Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

>I think the only way I would use an external service is to store
>encrypted
>files. Then the key become the issue.
>
>So you can store the key as a qr code, print it and save it in a
>fire-proof
>safe.
>
>
>On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Scott Plante
><splante at insightsys.com>wrote:
>
>> Ron wrote: "Amazon charges $0.18 / GB / mo for storage."
>> Well, they have multiple options. Amazon Glacier is $0.01 / GB / mo
>to
>> store, free upload, and tiered pricing for download to Internet (1st
>TB/mo
>> free, max $0.12/GB/mo).
>> http://aws.amazon.com/glacier/
>> Seems like a better option for backups you rarely (or possibly never,
>if
>> you're lucky) have to use.
>>
>> Scott
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Ron Frazier (ALE)" <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com>
>> *To: *"Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, May 11, 2013 2:15:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [ale] NAS enclosure recommendations?
>>
>>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> I had one more thought.  Backup the nas online with something like
>> carbonite or Amazon S3 via a Jungledisk client or similar.  I use
>> Jungledisk on both Windows and Linux machines.  The client software
>is a
>> little dated, but it works fine for me.  It uses the Amazon S3
>servers.  I
>> have my data backups run every 6 hours.  If anyone needs help
>configuring
>> that, I could assist.  Amazon charges $0.18 / GB / mo for storage. 
>That
>> could get cost prohibitive depending on the amount of data. 
>Carbonite's
>> normal marketing says all your DATA on your personal hard drive, so
>system
>> files, etc. don't get backed up.  I think they require a different
>contract
>> for each PC at $ 60 / year or so.  Whereas, I backup all my pc's to
>my
>> Amazon S3 volume and just pay for the total data storage.  I think I
>have
>> about 70 GB of storage in use, so my bill is about $ 14 / mo.  If
>you're
>> talking TB of data, cost would go up a good bit.
>>
>> Another alternative is to do peer to peer syncing with the nas to
>another
>> nas.  A very early but promising (alpha stage) solution is BitTorrent
>Sync.
>>  If you can provide peers you want to sync with and you don't need
>cloud
>> storage, this could work.  Steve Gibson did a podcast on this
>recently.  I
>> haven't tried it but it sounds cool.
>>
>> http://twit.tv/sn/402
>>
>> Low bandwidth versions are available here.  Look for episode 402.
>>
>> https://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>>
>> Experts that Steve likes to quote on the show recommend a 3-2-1
>backup
>> strategy.  If I'm remembering correctly, you data should exist in 3
>places
>> - original, backup 1, backup 2.  It should be on 2 different mediums
>> preferably.  And 1 copy should be off site.
>>
>> By the way, DROBO appears to be a nice, but not cheap plug and play
>NAS
>> solution.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Hall <doughalldev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >This is a pro-sumer application. She has written a book, and has a
>blog
>> >for
>> >promoting that and other pursuits. She's got thousands of high res
>> >photos,
>> >and is getting into video too, for her blog. Add to this, backup
>space
>> >for
>> >her computers - some of which can be alleviated, if she's not moving
>> >files
>> >between computers all the time. So, she does need a fair amount of
>> >storage. Their Apple Time Capsule is full, and quite frankly -
>> >inadequate.
>> >
>> >This NAS won't be directly connected to a computer, but I was
>thinking
>> >that
>> >it would be a good idea to have that option. They've got an iMac and
>a
>> >MacBook Pro, so Firewire or Thunderbolt would actually be better
>than
>> >eSata. The NAS will probably be situated in a closet, provided
>there's
>> >enough ventilation. I was hoping to use FreeNAS and ZFS, for
>worry-free
>> >storage.
>> >
>> >While I'm thinking about it, how are upgrades handled? Is it a
>matter
>> >of
>> >pulling in updates, like with Ubuntu, or do you download a package
>and
>> >replace the whole OS? I'm not that familiar with FreeBSD. Is there a
>> >learning curve I should be concerned about?
>> >
>> >Thanks guys!
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
>> >atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> This sounds like a consumer application so the following security
>> >issues
>> >> may not be too pressing.  However, depending on the situation,
>> >physical
>> >> security may be an issue; from kids (ie teenagers that want to
>play
>> >> everything or toddlers that want to touch everything), pets,
>> >visitors,
>> >> contractors, etc.
>> >>
>> >> You may want a case where access to the physical ports and drives
>is
>> >> lockable.  A closet or cabinet would also work with proper
>> >ventilation.
>> >>
>> >> Also, while I haven't had experience with the high speed port
>options
>> >> myself, I heard an interesting tidbit on the Security Now podcast.
>> >>  Apparently both firewire and thunderbolt are dma access systems.
>> >That
>> >> means that anything plugged into one of those ports may be able to
>> >directly
>> >> access and alter system memory, with the potential of inserting
>> >malware or
>> >> reading critical data.  USB of any type does not have that
>problem.
>> >I
>> >> don't know about sata / esata.
>> >>
>> >> Also, I've heard that esata connectors are notorious for being
>> >finicky and
>> >> getting unplugged.
>> >>
>> >> Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Ron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> JD <jdp at algoloma.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I use an external array from these guys: http://www.addonics.com/
>> >> >attached to a normal Core i5 PC, but mine is only 4 bay. 6+ yrs,
>> >ever
>> >> >any issues
>> >> >besides a loose SATA cable that was my fault.
>> >> >
>> >> >I'd avoid USB3 as the primary connector. IME, it has queuing
>issues.
>> >Of
>> >> >course,
>> >> >those could be due to the USB3 card or driver used. I've never
>had
>> >that
>> >> >issue
>> >> >with eSATA-MP.
>> >> >
>> >> >For a business, things get harder due to all the choices.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >On 05/11/2013 01:50 AM, Doug Hall wrote:
>> >> >> I want to build a NAS for a friend. I need a five-bay
>enclosure.
>> >It
>> >> >must have a
>> >> >> 64-bit CPU and allow me to add up to 16GB of memory. It'll be
>> >using
>> >> >ZFS, which
>> >> >> performs better with lots of memory. I'll probably need USB3,
>> >eSata
>> >> >and dual
>> >> >> ethernet ports. A low power unit would be nice.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Anyone know of and can recommend any such enclosures? The ones
>I'm
>> >> >seeing appear
>> >> >> to already be set up to run some proprietary system, but don't
>> >even
>> >> >mention
>> >> >> memory capacities or CPU specs. I want to use FreeNAS, of
>course.
>> >> >Thanks for any
>> >> >> suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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