[ale] Old host you want to unload?
Tom Freeman
tfreeman at intel.digichem.net
Mon Jul 15 08:52:01 EDT 2013
Please forgive the chime in - but...
+1 with an observation of sorts
A parent still needs to monitor sufficiently to catch a usuable per
centage (what ever that value is) to ensure that the conversation takes
place. (I caught a daughter sneaking a viewing of "Flesh Gordon" from a
copy her late mother gave me. _That_ was an awkward conversation!)
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Jim Kinney wrote:
> In short: don't rely on technology as a role model stand-in for children.
>
> I have exactly 0 filters on the feed at my house. none. waste of time. Kids
> will find what interests them. If it's porn, you're overdue for "the talk"
> and that one will go on for the next several years. If the adult is not
> capable of sitting down and watching what they are and rationally explaining
> what is problematic about it, the child will begin to disregard the adult as
> an authority figure and view them as just another knee-jerker wearing
> blinders.
>
> Most kids are wanting to find stuff that's not porn and other "bad stuff".
> Most kids get embarrassed or grossed out when it accidentally crosses the
> screen on an errant mouse click. It's far more important to have them
> understanding that they will not be punished the occasional mistake but will
> be expected to learn from them. Teach them the "back" button in both mouse
> and keystrokes :-)
>
> Ron brought up a bigger issue that can't be filtered with current tools:
> what the kids actually say online to each other. Between 12-13 and about
> 19-20, girls are vile, horrid creatures to other girls and boys are
> brain-damaged monsters with illusions of invincibility. A useful tool would
> be a screen mirror with recording so the nasty things they say to each other
> can be replayed, discussed, and used as reasons why privilege A is being
> withheld. I'm thinking of a chat mirroring tool or email copy process. It
> will only get to be used once then they will change methods (if they are
> smart). But that level of guidance, no matter what _they_ think, would
> benefit them greatly learning how to relate with others.
>
> Besides, once the hormones kick in, they will find a way to find out about
> it. If the default view at home is "NO! BAD!", they will look elsewhere for
> answers unless they are totally dominated by helicopter parents. Most
> commercial porn is crap with subtle and not so subtle overtone of violence
> against women as themes. It's a challenge to find something that can serve
> as guidance for humans really relate in bed. And intelligent bed banging is
> far better than stupid gun banging in the street.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE)
> <atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Since I brought up OpenDNS, even though I'm a user and a fan, I
> should point out some limitations. About 10%, as a rough
> guestimate, of the ugly stuff will sneak through the filter.
> The purveyers of junk bring up new sites too fast for everything
> to be in the database. Do not assume your kids will be totally
> prevented from getting to any and all "insert bad category"
> stuff.
>
> Also, if your kid knows how to do any of the following, he / she
> can bypass the filter: choose an alternate dns server on the pc,
> use a proxy / anonymizer (although you can filter that
> category), browse by ip alone without dns, start up a vpn, take
> their laptop / smartphone to a friend's house or hotspot or step
> parent's house. Anything that bypasses the use of the OpenDNS
> servers or changes their public ip bypasses the filter. I have
> wished in the past that I could tie the filter to a specific pc,
> but OpenDNS does not provide that as far as I know.
>
> Internet Explorer provides some built in content filtering
> options, which can tie into things like NetNanny (I think), but
> I've never used it. Firefox doesn't provide any of that
> natively that I'm aware of, but there may be plugins for it.
>
> I have links to a couple of Christian sites related these topics
> I could try to dig up if anyone wants.
>
> Note that, even if they cannot easily access "uglyjunk.com"
> because of OpenDNS, they can see links to it in google and bing,
> and in the latter case, with live video coming though bing. The
> child's pc need not ever visit "uglyjunk.com" to see some of its
> content, albeit with smaller pictures.
>
> You can make things harder to bypass by putting the OpenDNS
> servers in your router settings. Then, any pc which just uses
> basic dhcp to get it's ip and dns will pick that up from the
> router. But, that does not prevent the pc from querying another
> dns server directly if it wants to. If the pc can get an ip for
> "uglyjunk.com", it can still visit the site.
>
> I have heard that you can get hosts files of preconfigured
> blacklist sites, then the computer is just directed to nowhere
> when they try to get those sites, before even querying the dns.
> I've never used that though.
>
> The service also depends on linking your public ip to your
> account. That's why going to a hotspot bypasses the filter.
> They'll have a different public ip which is not linked to your
> account. Even if the pc was set to use the OpenDNS servers,
> your personal filter settings would not be in affect. You would
> still get phishing protection though.
>
> Since your public ip is subject to change periodically when your
> cable / dsl modem resets, you need to run a small utility, which
> I run in Windows, to link your current public ip with your
> account and filter settings. You'll have to check on whether
> they have a linux utility, but they probably do. When your ip
> changes, if the utility runs, the OpenDNS servers get set to
> respond to the new ip. If your ip setting utility doesn't run
> for a few days, then your filters won't be in affect for a few
> days if your ip has changed.
>
> I do NOT recommend running the ip setting utility on the child's
> computer. Here's why. Let's say you did that. They go to
> starbucks. They login, then the ip utility links STARBUCKS
> public ip to YOUR filter account. Your child would then be
> subject to your filters, but so would EVERYONE ELSE in
> starbucks. That might cause some problems. This would remain
> in effect until your child logged into another network and got
> another public ip.
>
> Because ip's change, the system occasionally gets confused as to
> which account owns which ip. This is rare, but, for example,
> let's say there is a disruption at the isp and all the cable
> modems get reset. You may end up with what was someone else's
> public ip and they may end up with yours. It may take a little
> while for the ip setting utilities to set everything straight.
> So, the possibility does exist that they could see stuff in
> their account logs on OpenDNS that came from you and you could
> see theirs.
>
> One other slight disadvantage of the OpenDNS system is that all
> pc's in the house with the same public ip will have the same
> filters. You could always active a vpn or proxy on your own pc
> though and bypass your own filter.
>
> Despite these limitations, I found the service extremely useful
> and wouldn't want to be without it with a child in the house.
> You could gang other technologies on top of this, if you wish.
> I still have it active, even though my child has moved out, to
> filter out rubbish that I might hit accidentally.
>
> This is slightly off topic to the original question, but I'd
> consider a certain amount of monitoring of my kid's
> communications online. Chat, email, facebook, whatever. How
> much is up to you. I'd also set rules on who it was appropriate
> to communicate with. Again, up to personal discretion. You can
> get books about how to deal with these issues.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron
>
>
> On 7/14/2013 8:09 PM, Doug Hall wrote:
> 27" iMac is sweet. But I agree with Ron. There's no
> reason to buy ANYTHING if you use OpenDNS to filter
> content. I'm very satisfied with the free service.
> Okay, maybe paranoia is a reason. I wouldn't be
> surprised to know that OpenDNS is releasing records
> to the NSA. But then again, so could your current
> ISP.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Jerald Sheets
> <questy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do. It's a slamming 27" iMac. :)
>
> Jerald Sheets
> Sent from my iPhone5
>
> On Jul 13, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Jim Kinney
> <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jerald, you're missing the entire point:
> Upgrade _your_ machine and give the old one to
> the young-uns. Put squid-guard on it and
> provide a pile of bookmarks they are
> interested in.
>
> :-)
>
> House Rule: Dad ALWAYS has the best hardware unless
> someone else is paying for it.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Neal Rhodes
> <neal at mnopltd.com> wrote:
> I would think you could look for
> off-lease "no-os" refurb units on
> TigerDirect for maybe $100.
>
> On Sat, 2013-07-13 at 21:22 -0400,
> Jerald Sheets wrote:
>
> Hi all.
>
> I've come to the point where my next generation o little ones will be going
> online, and I'm going to build me a content filtering firewall. (Ipcop)
>
> Thing is, I don't have any old hardware and need to get something, but anyth
> ing I would buy in a store would be overkill.
>
> I'm looking for something P3 or later, mid tower with one drive bay is fine
> and 4-8G of memory.
>
> Anyone have anything like that you'd like to unload?
>
> Jerald Sheets
> Sent from my iPhone5
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