[ale] ZFS on Linux

Jim Kinney jim.kinney at gmail.com
Mon Apr 22 13:43:26 EDT 2013


starting from scratch on this is my preference but it's not in the budget.
Parking 70TB "elsewhere" for a 4 array reformat while NOT buying new drives
is a challenge.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Derek Atkins <warlord at mit.edu> wrote:

> Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > given what the drive arrays are used for, dedup is a big plus (people
> make
> > copies and copies of research files like drive space is $0!). And, yeah,
> even
> > with no dedup, 32G is not going to cut it anyway.
>
> You can get mobos that support 256MB for not too much money.
>
> For my case I cannot imagine that dedup would significantly help me; my
> plan is to store audio and video, and perhaps *some* VM data, but most
> likely I don't imagine that dedup would do *me* any signigicant
> advantage.
>
> > The checksums for RAID6 are the same as in raidz2.
>
> Are they?  I though ZFS/RAID-Z(2) had additional checksums above and
> beyond what RAID5(6) provided, such that it could detect and correct a
> write-hole (or other) disk/storage failure.
>
> > I found a 250G SSD but can't use it. I have one other system I can put
> it on
> > but it has not enough PCIe slots for the need.
> >
> > the solution to all of this is $$$$$ for new system :-(
>
> Or just replace the mobo ;)
>
> -derek
>
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Derek Atkins <warlord at mit.edu> wrote:
> >
> >     Jim,
> >
> >     Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >     > After much research, I have decided to NOT implement ZFS. The main
> >     factors of
> >     > interest were the raidz2 and data deduplication. In order to
> support the
> >     > deduplication,the server needs 5G RAM per 1TB storage. That's a
> deal
> >     breaker
> >     > right there as the system to be used will only support 32G and has
> 50TB.
> >     > Raidz2 is basically software RAID6 which I can already do.
> >     >
> >     > Looked at getting an SSD for the deduplication data and using
> l2arc but
> >     I have
> >     > no space to install it on that server. Grr.
> >
> >     Do you really feel you need ZFS deduplication?  According to
> >     http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Hardware_Recommendations you only
> need
> >     5GB/TB if you're using dedup.  If you're just using ZFS then they
> >     recommend 1GB/TB.  Granted, if you've got 50TB of data then a 32GB
> >     memory limit wont be useful to you.
> >
> >     However, thank you for making me look at that; I was considering a
> >     32GB-limit Mobo for my system, which I was expecting to start at 12TB
> >     usable but potentially expanding to 96TB.  I don't think a 96TB ZFS
> >     would work well with 32GB memory.
> >
> >     OTOH, is ZFS really only just "RAID6"?  I thought that the ZFS
> checksums
> >     would provide improved data integrity (scrubbing) over pure RAID6?
> >
> >     -derek
> >
> >     > On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Ed Cashin <ecashin at noserose.net>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Thanks in advance for the notes you take.  I'm interested to
> hear
> >     what you
> >     >     find.
> >     >
> >     >     By the way, work sent me to a Nexenta course in 2010 where I
> learned
> >     ZFS
> >     >     stuff from Richard Elling:
> >     >
> >     >       http://www.richardelling.com/
> >     >
> >     >     ... and one thing that kept coming up is how users usually
> reach for
> >     the
> >     >     RAID-Z options when stripes of mirrors would perform better and
> >     offer more
> >     >     flexibility.  I thought that was notable.
> >     >
> >     >     On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Jim Kinney <
> jim.kinney at gmail.com>
> >     wrote:
> >     >
> >     >         There was an update to this that just hit /.
> >     >
> >     >         WooHoo!
> >     >
> >     >         I have not used ZFS (minimal solaris experience) before
> but I
> >     have a
> >     >         situation where raidz looks like a very good choice. An
> external
> >     16
> >     >         bay JBOD box hanging off a SAS HBA looks like a prime
> candidate.
> >     The
> >     >         big issue for me is the support for native NFSv4 ACLs which
> >     solves
> >     >         some issues.
> >     >
> >     >         As I go through this exercise, I'll keep some notes and
> maybe
> >     look at
> >     >         a presentation on doing this.
> >     >
> >     >         hints, gotcha's, are very welcome.
> >     >
> >     >         I did find a pdf of the zfsadmin.pdf  http://pdfhome.org/
> >     zfsadmin.pdf
> >     >
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> > Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
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> It
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