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he same UI as a computer doesn't matter. Apparently (assuming I'm n=
ot making a bigger idiot of myself than usual), a large percentage of the p=
opulation sees "phone" as a completely different beast than &quot=
;computer" even if the "phone" in question is working in the=
 same fashion as their "computer". As such, apparently "easy=
&quot; and &quot;hard&quot; don&#39;t mean a whole lot.<br>

<br>
Wonder if one of the academic admins on this list could convince a psycholo=
gy researcher that there is a deep, probably long lasting, research project=
 here??<br>
<br>
On Mon, 19 May 2014, Jay Lozier wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I partially agree, some users will not switch from their comfort zone at<br=
>
all. It does not matter if there is an excellent reason such as the OS is n=
o<br>
longer supported. Others will switch easily.<br>
<br>
Also, if the UI is a problem, many users would have never used a smartphone=
<br>
or tablet with their very different UIs.<br>
<br>
The sysadmins could be a bigger problem if they refuse to update their<br>
skills. But there is a very serious stick available to bring them in-line:<=
br>
dismissal.<br>
<br>
About differences between CLI commands, I find the more I work with<br>
different OSes, distros, programming languages, etc. there is a lot of<br>
transferable knowledge. Yes there are differences that need to learned in<b=
r>
syntax and terminology (Ruby hash vs Python dictionary) but the concepts ar=
e<br>
the same. As I use Linux more, the more comfortable I am with the CLI and<b=
r>
sometime find it more convenient to use than a GUI.<br>
<br>
On 19/05/14 10:57, Lightner, Jeff wrote:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Uh no.=C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My point was that it is the end users that are the pro=
blem.=C2=A0=C2=A0<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Saying =E2=80=9Ca desktop is a desktop=E2=80=9D is all=
 well and good but the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 reason most organizations delayed upgrading from XP to=
 Windows 7<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 was because even changes in Windows desktops are painf=
ul to roll<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 out to end users.=C2=A0 Telling them they have to go f=
rom Windows to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Linux (and change many of the underlying tools such as=
 the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 office suite) would be even more painful.=C2=A0 Not be=
cause it is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 technically difficult but because people are resistant=
 to change<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AND because many people don=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9C=
understand=E2=80=9D what is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 happening when they do something.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 My discussion of Admins was because we (UNIX/Linux adm=
ins at<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 least) are more likely to embrace change if for no oth=
er reason<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 than it is =E2=80=9Ccool=E2=80=9D to learn new things.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Having said that<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 however, I have met a fair number of admins that didn=
=E2=80=99t want to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 be bothered with learning the Solaris or HP-UX way if =
they<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 started on AIX or vice-versa.=C2=A0=C2=A0 In Windows a=
dmin land MS has<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 been weaning them off of GUIs for a while now and I=E2=
=80=99ve talked to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 both the kind of MS Admin that rails against this and =
the type<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that realizes how much more power they have with comma=
nd line<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 tools.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 In some shops the MS Admins a=
re the ones who end up<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 working on the first Linux systems.=C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 That doesn=E2=80=99t mean you can=E2=80=99t have your =
preferences (I loved<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 HP-UX) but you do need to learn the differences.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 For me it has<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 all been fairly easy because I started on DOS went to =
Novell<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 then to UNIX and Xenix and finally Linux so I=E2=80=99=
ve seen the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 progression.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The key is getting the =
basic tools/concepts and<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 transferring your knowledge to the new platform then b=
uilding on<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 that with the esoteric behaviors unique to each.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 I was first<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 introduced to command line in DOS and to =E2=80=9Cuser=
s=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cgroups=E2=80=9D in<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Novell.=C2=A0 Both of those experiences lent themselve=
s very well to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 learning UNIX where essentially I just had to make mys=
elf a<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cheat sheet of the different command names for the sam=
e<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 functions.=C2=A0 (type =3D cat, dir =3D ls, copy =3D c=
p, rename =3D mv etc=E2=80=A6).<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: <a href=3D"mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org" target=3D=
"_blank">ale-bounces at ale.org</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ale-bounces at ale.=
org" target=3D"_blank">ale-bounces at ale.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Of Jim Kinney<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 10:30 AM<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Subject: Re: [ale] Chinese government recommendation -=
 Linux<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hmm. Interesting point. Admins.<br>
<br>