[ale] Political and OFF TOPIC

Wed Nov 21 08:53:53 EST 2012

Your two posts now have both been OFF TOPIC to the original post which was relating the campaign to technology.

Using that post as an excuse for failed Republican scare tactics that didn't win the election is specious at best.

All Doctors and Nurses are NOT going to quit in protest of Obamacare any more than all  the rest of us who disagreed with trickle down economics were going to close our bank accounts and quit our jobs in protest if the other guy had won.

Please let's NOT turn this into a political forum - No one ever convinces any one that they're right.

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From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Ron Frazier (ALE)
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:06 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Political but on topic... How Team Obama's tech efficiency left Romney IT in dust

At least we're just pissing and moaning.  It's still November, after all.  Many representatives of the public on the other side of the fence promised riots if they lost.

Warning - ranting follows.

I'm trying to figure out how I'll pay my bills if (when) my taxes go up radically and how I'll get healthcare if (when) they drive Blue Cross, Cigna, Aetna, etc. out of business.  Yeah, they're profiteers, sometimes even bloodsucking and overbearing.  (By the way, there's nothing wrong with reasonable profit, else why be in business.)  But, the fact remains that, right now, my family has coverage, and, if needed, can get access to state of the art medicine and only pay for a small portion out of pocket for it.  EVERY nation that has tried nationalized health care has failed miserably.  Look at Canada.  People there have to wait months to get critical care, sometimes don't get it at all, and sometimes cross the border into the USA to get the care they need, if they can afford it.

My Dad, who's studied the Obamacare issue a bit, says he'll have to either pay $ 2000 per year for a health care policy, which he probably cannot afford, or pay the IRS (of all people) an $ 800 fine, which he also cannot afford.  Those increased mandatory expenses may very well keep him from paying for some other critical things until he can improve his finances.  Some choice.

One more thing.  The manager of a local restaurant said the owner is considering whether he can even stay in business if he has to provide mandatory health care for all employees.  As an alternative, he can demote all employees below 30 hours / week so they don't fall under the mandatory rules.  The taxes and overhead caused by the new legislation WILL drive many small businesses out of business, and, very likely, deepen or extend the recession.

Yes, happy times are here ... right.

End of rant.

Ron

Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:

>Open Source: Bringing down "The Man" one election at a time.
>
>Glad I didn't drink the Koch bros koolaid. I voted for the moderate
>republican policy list from a now 2 term president.  Must suck donkey
>balls to have voted for the other guy.
>
>BWAHAHAHA!
>
>Gov head count about the same. Health insurance still run by
>profiteering heartless scum. Freedom eroded more by Patriot Act and TSA
>than all else combined. Economy stinks since not enough people making
>$50k and too many making $1M+ since investment doesn't create jobs
>unless it's IPO or new small business. My RedHat IPO purchase created
>more jobs than Bain Capital did in 10 years.
>
>The election is OVER
>Time to stop pissing and moaning and get to work making the world a
>better place. Another banker with another million is not a starting
>place.
>On Nov 20, 2012 11:37 PM, "Ron Frazier (ALE)" <
>atllinuxenthinfo at techstarship.com> wrote:
>
>> Too bad.  We're getting more socialism, more big government, more
>taxes,
>> less freedom, and weaker defense by the minute.  A year from now, our
>> healthcare system will  be decimated.  If you need medical care and
>still
>> have good insurance, better use it now.
>>
>> The open source stuff is cool though.
>>
>> IMHO.
>>
>> I am not trying to start a flame war, and I'm sure others may
>disagree.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw at WittsEnd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >What ever your political leanings, there is no question that the
>> >Republican IT efforts with their project ORCA was an unmitigated
>> >disaster.  What's very interesting is ARS Technica's examination of
>the
>> >Obama IT infrastructure and what they did while spending less money.
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/how-team-obamas-t
>ech-efficiency-left-romney-it-in-dust/
>> >
>> >It gets really interesting when they get into the use of Linux
>(Ubuntu)
>> >servers and OpenSource tools...
>>
>>
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Sent from my Android Acer A500 tablet with bluetooth keyboard and K-9 Mail.
Please excuse my potential brevity.

(To whom it may concern.  My email address has changed.  Replying to former messages prior to 03/31/12 with my personal address will go to the wrong address.  Please send all personal correspondence to the new address.)

(PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new email messages very quickly.)

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