[ale] need tablet buying advice, bought nook, liked it, returned it

Geoffrey Myers lists at serioustechnology.com
Thu Apr 5 14:37:27 EDT 2012


On 04/05/2012 02:06 PM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> Your $WIFE is variable?! My char const wife = 1 is not.

Probably a shell variable and readonly...

>
>
> what a pack of nerds.....
>
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Chesser.Damon
> <Damon.Chesser at suntrust.com <mailto:Damon.Chesser at suntrust.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ron,
>
>     No, it does not have an HDMI out.  Or to put it differently, all you
>     need is a 30 pin adapter to HDMI, which does not exists.  It *has* hdmi
>     output, just no existing adaptor.  Or so I have read.  The Le Pan III is
>     supposed to have it, but it is not out.
>
>     One provision:  You will need to install an equalizer app or perhaps get
>     a speaker for it (blue-tooth can pick it up from 30' away, many models
>     exists).  With the EQ installed, it is plenty loud enough for $WIFE and
>     myself to watch Netflix on (together).  Aside from that one thing it has
>     met all my expectations for a tablet.
>
>     Carry your power cord.  Battery life is 6 to 7 hours.  Less if you are
>     watching a movie over the wifi with brightness up high.
>
>
>
>     Damon at damtek.com <mailto:Damon at damtek.com>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>
>     [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org <mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org>] On Behalf
>     Of Ron
>     Frazier (ALE)
>     Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:43 AM
>     To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
>     Subject: Re: [ale] need tablet buying advice, bought nook, liked it,
>     returned it
>
>     On 4/5/2012 6:40 AM, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>      > On Wed, 2012-04-04 at 23:39 -0400, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>      >
>      >> On 4/4/2012 3:18 PM, Scott Castaline wrote:
>      >>
>      >>> On 04/03/2012 05:58 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>>
>      >>>> Hi all,
>      >>>>
>      >>>> I'm back on the tablet hunt again.  I bought a Nook yesterday,
>     used
>      >>>> the SD card trick to put CM7 on it without affecting the original
>      >>>> system, really liked it, then returned it.  BN works so hard at
>      >>>> foiling anyone trying to run something else, it's a major pain.  I
>      >>>> got CM7 to boot, then shut down the tablet.  Rebooted into BN,
>      >>>> since I wanted to be able to flip back and forth, and then
>     tried to
>      >>>> boot CM7 again.  I never got it running again.  I reflashed the SD
>      >>>> card and tried again.  Again, I got CM7 to boot only once.  The BN
>      >>>> software was 1.4.1 I think.  Anyway, while I really like the
>      >>>> tablet, I just don't want to be fighting the big corp all the time
>      >>>> to keep my alt version of the software running.  So, I'm back in
>      >>>> the market and, if you all have experience with such things, I'd
>      >>>> like some advice.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> I'd like to get the following minimum features.  The Nook didn't
>      >>>> have some of these, but I wanted the ability to read BN books in
>      >>>> the BN store.  I realize I won't be able to do that with another
>      >>>> tablet.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> 7" or 10" screen (10" is probably not possible in my price range.)
>      >>>> capacitive touch screen Android 3.2 or 4.x, or at least upgradable
>      >>>> to 4.x. 1 GHz processor, preferably dual core 1 GB ram 16 GB flash
>      >>>> sd or micro sd card slot front and back cameras microphone
>      >>>> headphone jack hdmi output usb port (full USB functionality is
>      >>>> preferable) access to full android market and google apps
>      >>>> accelerometer wifi b/g Thin is good.  The nook is .48" and feels
>      >>>> good in your hand.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> The following features would be nice to have but not critical.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> haptic feedback wifi b/g/n gps gyroscope ? (I saw this on a spec
>      >>>> sheet somewhere.  Is that different from an accelerometer?  If so,
>      >>>> what's it for?)
>      >>>>
>      >>>> I'd like to keep the price of the tablet itself under $ 320.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> I haven't studied all the specs yet on these, but my current
>      >>>> candidates are:
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Acer Iconia 7 - Best Buy - $ 259 (or was it $ 269) Samsung Galaxy
>      >>>> Tab 7 - Best Buy $ 300 (currently, normally $ 350)
>      >>>>
>      >>>> By the way, Best Buy now has 30 day returns, 30 day price match,
>      >>>> and 30 days of tech support by phone.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> I'm sure there are other tablets which meet this criteria.  I'd
>      >>>> appreciate your thoughts on this.  I don't want to root
>     anything or
>      >>>>    fight the designers to make it run.  The tablet has to run
>      >>>> Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich natively.  I could go slightly
>      >>>> higher in price, but I want to also have some money for a case,
>      >>>> android book, etc.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Sincerely,
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Ron
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>> I had done the same going the external route with the SD chip, but
>     was
>      >>> sort of restricted to using it when the significant other is not
>     home
>      >>> as the Nook is hers. Well I have been successful in being able to
>     cold
>      >>> boot Android multiple times. My only issue is that it seems more
>      >>> geared up for phone than tablet. Is there a way to remove the phone
>      >>> stuff as klutzy me tends to hit the spots for phone use and of
>     course
>      >>> it seems to be laughing at me that I don't have a phone. Also I
>     have
>      >>> noticed that I lose my WiFi when I wake it up from it's nap, and
>     then
>      >>> later it works. At best I would say WiFi is a bit flaky.
>      >>>
>      >> Hi Scott,
>      >>
>      >> I don't know about the phone features.  I think Michael T. and
>     Michael
>      >> W. use Cyanogenmod.  Maybe they can tell you how to deal with those
>      >> functions.  You can delete items from the home screens by
>     tapping and
>      >> holding an icon until a menu appears, then tap the delete icon or
>      >> continue holding the original icon and drag it to the trash can at
>     the top.
>      >>
>      >> I'm making some progress narrowing my selection of tablets by the
>      >> process of elimination.  If you don't know exactly what you want,
>      >> sometimes it helps to know what you don't like or can't do without.
>      >> Reading the spec sheets can be quite confusing and tedious.  Here's
>     some
>      >> of what I've learned.  I'm eliminating the tablets from
>     consideration
>      >> with the following features.
>      >>
>      >> eliminate - tablets without 2 or more CPU cores - I think good CPU's
>      >> include but are not limited to: Tegra 2, Rockchip RK30, TI Omap 4.
>      >> eliminate - tablets with less than 1 GHz CPU frequency
>      >> eliminate - tablets with less than 1 GB RAM
>      >> eliminate - tablets with less than 8 GB Flash Memory
>      >> eliminate - tablets with no front camera - I figure I'm more likely
>     to
>      >> video chat than use a tablet for photography.
>      >> eliminate - tablets with screen size less than 1024 x 600 if a 7"
>     screen
>      >> eliminate - tablets with less than 6 hr battery life playing video -
>      >> Goodbye Acer Iconia A100.
>      >> eliminate - tablets with less than Android 3.2 (Honeycomb)
>      >> eliminate - tablets without a capacitive touch screen
>      >> eliminate - tablets without an SD card slot (32 GB capacity)
>      >> eliminate - tablets without auto screen rotation - This means they
>     have
>      >> a "G Sensor".
>      >> eliminate - tablets without speakers (if there are any such tablets)
>      >> eliminate - tablets without a microphone
>      >> eliminate - tablets without Bluetooth
>      >> eliminate - tablets without HDMI output - Goodbye Acer Iconia A100
>     and A200.
>      >> eliminate - tablets with funky proprietary large connectors instead
>     of
>      >> multiple small individual standardized connectors - Goodbye Samsung
>      >> Galaxy Tab.
>      >> eliminate - tablets that cannot play 1080p video smoothly
>      >> eliminate - tablets with a price over $ 400
>      >>
>      >> Apparently, the "G sensor" could be an accelerometer or a gyroscope.
>     As
>      >> I understand it, the accelerometer senses MOTION, or more
>     accurately,
>      >> change in motion in one direction.  A gyroscope can sense position,
>      >> whether motion is involved or not I think.  Some tablets have both.
>      >>
>      >> If the unit has a proprietary connector, you have to buy expensive
>      >> custom cables and adapters to attach anything to the unit.
>      >>
>      >> In terms of price, I'd really rather it be $ 300 or less,
>     because I'm
>      >> not sure that the functionality a tablet provides, above that of a
>      >> laptop, is worth $ 400 to me.  I may even consider an Android
>     netbook
>     if
>      >> I can find one.
>      >>
>      >> I'm pretty sure about the above criteria.  Here are some others I'm
>     not
>      >> so sure about yet.
>      >>
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without a full USB port, to attach a
>      >> keyboard to, for example
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without IPS screens, which have
>     wider
>      >> viewing angles
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets which can't or won't be upgraded to
>      >> Android 4 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without gps - I'd usually have it
>     off,
>      >> but if you need it, it's nice.
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without haptic feedback - Gives nice
>      >> confirmation when pressing on screen buttons.
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without wifi N in addition to B
>     and G
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without a flash if there is a rear
>      >> facing camera
>      >> potentially eliminate - tablets without an IR tranciever - for intra
>      >> device comm and using tablet as a remote control
>      >>
>      >> As you can imagine, that narrows the field quite a bit.  So far, I
>      >> haven't found what I want to buy.  There should be some more really
>     neat
>      >> ones coming out this year.  I've found engadget and cnet reviews
>     quite
>      >> helpful in looking at these.  Of course, there are many other
>     sources
>     of
>      >> reviews.
>      >>
>      >> Sincerely,
>      >>
>      >> Ron
>      >>
>      > Again, I HIGHLY suggest the Le Pan II.  It is minus the regular usb,
>      > but, hey, use a blue-tooth keyboard.  It matches all other
>     criteria on
>      > your list and at $279.00 at Microcenter, it matches your price.
>      >
>      > It is NOT ICS, but the MFG claims they will provide an update.
>      >
>
>     Hi Damon,
>
>     I saw your prior message and looked at the link you sent.  That does
>     look like a pretty cool tablet.  Does it REALLY meet all those required
>     criteria?  I hadn't thought about a Bluetooth keyboard.  Anyway, full
>     USB is on my nice to have list, as opposed to my required list.  One
>     thing bugging me about the spec sheet you linked to is that it says
>     there's no HDMI port.  Now, that was something that is on my required
>     list, but at this price, I might reconsider that.  I wanted to say
>     thanks for the info when you sent it before..  I meant to write you back
>
>     the first time and hadn't done it yet.  I'll do some more research on
>     this one.
>
>     Sincerely,
>
>     Ron
>
>
>     --
>
>     (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
>     call on the phone.  I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
>     mailing lists and such.  I don't always see new messages very quickly.)
>
>     Ron Frazier
>
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