[ale] IEEE... Sort of maybe off topic but... Not really...

Tue Oct 4 09:38:48 EDT 2011

Jim.......Now you've jabbed a nerve of mine and I completely agree with
you..."screaming 'mine, mine, mine!' is no longer a viable transaction
model.  I hope someone figures out a new one soon."  This is largely the
reason why I gravitated to Linux and a major reason why I evangelize it
today.  It is at the core of why I feel the way that I do about things
in the world and of the world; all of which are a product of faith.  

And with that I conclude my mini-rant as I believe according to our
rules of engagement I stand on the topic's edge....

Rich in Lilburn

On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 09:05 -0400, Jim Kinney wrote:

> Ron, you just jabbed a nerve of mine.
> 
> In the early 80's the rules changed and recipients of federal research
> grants were allowed to be sole owners of any ideas, patents,
> copyrights, etc of the public funded work they did.
> It has been a double edged sword that no longer provides public
> benefit. The research output DOES benefit but the financial incentives
> muddy the waters on the quality or scale of the benefits.
> Classic example: the medical boot worn after foot injury or repair is
> 3 parts - the supporting molded plastic, the velcro buckles and the
> sole. Each part was awarded patents and the ensemble got its own
> patent stack. 
> The boot costs less than $5 to make but the licenses run the cost to
> over $30. Now the boot license kicks in and runs it to $55+. Then the
> usual supply chain markups occur. So we pay $90 for a medical device
> that used to be 2 sticks, an old shoe and some tape or an old belt.
> Does the the new device work better than the old one? That was not
> studied. What was studied was a comparison of no support vs molded
> plastic support on recovery effectiveness post injury.
> The same process now drives the research university expansion and much
> privately-owned works as well. 
> It is a two edged sword.
> 
> I would like to be paid a bit every time someone uses a system or
> process I set up. Residuals on geek work would be stellar! But I,
> like most people,  get paid once for my effort unlike writers, actors,
> inventors, and the like.
> The world has changed and holding on to stuff screaming "mine, mine,
> mine!" is no longer a viable transaction model. I hope someone figures
> out a new one soon.
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2011 9:20 PM, "Ron Frazier" <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>
> wrote:
> > I only looked briefly at the article, but it sounds pretty
> disgusting 
> > that IEEE should refuse to publish public domain papers. I used to
> be a 
> > member of IEEE, but never published with them. I don't understand
> all 
> > the legal odds and ends. However, as a consumer and amateur
> researcher, 
> > I've long felt that the public needs more access to academic papers
> and 
> > such. I can't tell you how many times I've been doing research on a 
> > topic of interest, like alternate energy, and have come across some 
> > great paper on the topic, only to find it's in an academic database
> and 
> > they want $40 - $100 for it. Usually, it's not worth the price to
> me 
> > and I just go elsewhere. I think more "open source" academic papers 
> > would be great.
> > 
> > And another thing, our tax dollars fund research at our national
> labs, 
> > right? So, if they've come up with a great way to harness some
> energy 
> > source (just for example), and I want to use the technology in a 
> > business, why do they (the national lab) have a patent on it and why
> do 
> > I have to pay a license fee to use what my tax dollars already
> funded?
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Ron
> > 
> > On 9/30/2011 9:04 PM, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> >> Ok...
> >>
> >> A LOT of you on this list know me an many of those know my option
> of Dan
> >> Berstein. To say we're not generally on the same page would send
> out
> >> howls of laughter in some quarters and shivers of fear in others.
> >>
> >> All that being said... If what he is accusing the IEEE of is even
> >> remotely true, we should sit up and take notice. If you are an IEEE
> >> member of Computer Society member, you may wish to let them know
> just
> >> how you feel about this.
> >>
> >> http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html
> >>
> >> I take what ever Dan says with a really big grain of salt but this
> >> time... I just don't know. I may have to agree with him...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Mike
> >> 
> >>
> >>
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> to
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> > 
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> > 
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