[ale] [OT] rant - decadence in society - DRM

Charles Shapiro hooterpincher at gmail.com
Wed Mar 30 09:41:26 EDT 2011 

Whee!  I do my best..

-- CHS


On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> More like poked it with a pointed burning stick dripping with caustic
> sludge.
>
> On Mar 30, 2011 9:26 AM, "Charles Shapiro" <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ooh, I seem to have touched a nerve.
>>
>> -- CHS
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2011/03/29, at 17:11 , Jim Kinney wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Charles Shapiro
>>> <hooterpincher at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And yet, without those evil corporations we would not be swimming in
>>>> the happy sea of
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (toxic waste dumps caused by unregulated production of)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> cheap and wonderful hardware which we inhabit.  I
>>>> bought a 1/2 terabyte drive at Fry's the other day for $50
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (that was built by children who are nearly slaves in China).
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Small shops and artisanal craftsmanship cannot produce that kind of
>>>> machinery at that price
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (and theyhave no desire to produce WalMart-level quality).
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Corporations are certainly capable of
>>>> outrageous behavior, but that's only half the story.
>>>
>>> (The other half is the rampant greed that drives economic system
>>>
>>> to near global collapse)
>>>>
>>>> -- CHS
>>>
>>> I have almost zero trust for any process that holds the top level
>>> blameless
>>>
>>> and harmless from their decisions. Corporations are my prime example.
>>>
>>> Political leaders are the secondary example.
>>>
>>> Here's more of the reality.  The nicest thing about these videos is that
>>> the simple, clear, down to earth way that Annie Leonard presents the
>>> Truth, it might even be possible for delusional, child killing, drooling,
>>> Glenn Beck foil hat conspiracy nut, teabagger terrorist, Koch brother
>>> teahadist puppet hate monger types to understand it (assuming it's
>>> possible for them to pull their zombie heads out of their sphincters
>>> for all of ten minutes):
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/storyofstuffproject#p/u/22/9GorqroigqM>
>>> Makes me want to take out a billboard ad for all those patricidal
>>> killers of the American Dream:
>>> Hey STOOPID!  It's the CORPORATIONS that are coproRAPING
>>> you, and corpoRAPING your economy, and corpoRAPING your
>>> country, and corpoRAPING your freedoms, and corpoRAPING your
>>> children, and, with the aid of YOUR blissful ignorance and
>>> compliant infantile denial and rabid right wing media puppet
>>> zombie hate mongering terrorism, they are coproRAPING the
>>> future of everyone and everything else on the entire planet, too!
>>>
>>> peace
>>> aaron
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Yay! Aaron's back!
>>>> >
>>>> > Constitution is about PEOPLE not corporations.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:36 PM, arxaaron <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2011/03/24, at 10:11 , Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > I was merely using Mr. Paine as a hint that copyright laws Need to
>>>> >> > Change.  "When we are exposed to the same miseries BY a government,
>>>> >> > which we might expect in a country WITHOUT government..."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > When "Intellectual Property" laws become an IMPEDIMENT to
>>>> >> > innovation,
>>>> >> > rather than a SPUR, it is time to change the laws.  Walt Disney
>>>> >> > doesn't own my computer. Warner Brothers can't dictate how I use
>>>> >> > it.
>>>> >> > Sony Inc. won't stop me from writing code.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -- CHS
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Which speaks to the REAL core of the problem, which is that our
>>>> >> social democracy, a Positive, Just and Constructive system of
>>>> >> government that was designed by constitution to establish and
>>>> >> protect the freedoms and civil liberties of its citizens, has been
>>>> >> destroyed by Corporate Welfare State fascism.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Since usurping the 14th Amendment laws intended to protect the
>>>> >> _human_ rights and civil liberties of freed _human_ slaves in 1896,
>>>> >> the totalitarian structures of piratizing corporation have corrupted
>>>> >> every law and every institution of the good government that was
>>>> >> designed to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens.  The
>>>> >> corporapist elites and their vicious pursuit of resource theft,
>>>> >> worker exploitation and monopolies have been a the blood
>>>> >> sucking cancer of greed to our nation since its founding.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> peace
>>>> >> aaron
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com>
>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>> >> >> Brilliant prose from a brilliant person from a time period when no
>>>> >> >> government had ever yet done any measurable good for any portion
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> their
>>>> >> >> governed that approached a majority.
>>>> >> >> I wish Franklin and Jefferson could have seen humans walking on
>>>> >> >> the
>>>> >> >> moon.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On Mar 23, 2011 2:57 PM, "Charles Shapiro"
>>>> >> >> <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >>> For a more sensible response: I am sorry, but I strongly disagree
>>>> >> >>> with
>>>> >> >>> Ron's contentions about Intellectual Property.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Intellectual Property is nonsense. If you steal my real property,
>>>> >> >>> you
>>>> >> >>> deprive me of the use of it. Steal my bicycle, and I can't use it
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> go down to the store. If you make a copy of my book (or my song,
>>>> >> >>> or
>>>> >> >>> my software...), I can still read (or play, or use) my copy. More
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> the point, I can still SELL my copy. You could (possibly) argue
>>>> >> >>> that
>>>> >> >>> publishing your copy of my book may deprive me of some revenues
>>>> >> >>> which
>>>> >> >>> I might otherwise have acquired from selling copies of my book,
>>>> >> >>> but
>>>> >> >>> that money a phantasm. It is not the same as the money I keep in
>>>> >> >>> my
>>>> >> >>> wallet or my bank account. "Intellectual Property" laws are hacks
>>>> >> >>> to
>>>> >> >>> encourage people to write neat stuff. Once they start getting
>>>> >> >>> _in_the_way_ of creating stuff, they're obviously a Bad Idea.
>>>> >> >>> Confusing this putative "Intellectual Property" with real
>>>> >> >>> property
>>>> >> >>> is
>>>> >> >>> a sure way to misunderstand every moral and legal issue
>>>> >> >>> associated
>>>> >> >>> with creative work.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> The Original Ranter maybe said it best:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its
>>>> >> >>> best
>>>> >> >>> state is but a necessary evil in its worst state an intolerable
>>>> >> >>> one;
>>>> >> >>> for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a
>>>> >> >>> government, which we might expect in a country without
>>>> >> >>> government,
>>>> >> >>> our
>>>> >> >>> calamities is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means
>>>> >> >>> by
>>>> >> >>> which we suffer! Government, like dress, is the badge of lost
>>>> >> >>> innocence; the palaces of kings are built on the ruins of the
>>>> >> >>> bowers
>>>> >> >>> of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform,
>>>> >> >>> and
>>>> >> >>> irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that
>>>> >> >>> not
>>>> >> >>> being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of
>>>> >> >>> his
>>>> >> >>> property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and
>>>> >> >>> this
>>>> >> >>> he
>>>> >> >>> is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case
>>>> >> >>> advises him out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore,
>>>> >> >>> security
>>>> >> >>> being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably
>>>> >> >>> follows
>>>> >> >>> that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to
>>>> >> >>> us,
>>>> >> >>> with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all
>>>> >> >>> others.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> (Tom Paine, 1776)
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -- CHS
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jerald Sheets <questy at gmail.com>
>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>> On Mar 23, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> And YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> "Residential Vegetation Management Zone"
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> #!/jerald
>>>> >> >>>> Linux User #183003
>>>> >> >>>> Ubuntu User #32648
>>>> >> >>>> Public GPG Key:  http://questy.org/js.asc
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>>>> >> >>>> Version: 3.1
>>>> >> >>>> GIT/MU d-@ s++(++)>+++:> a+ C++++(+++)$>++ UBLAVHSC++(on)$>++++
>>>> >> >>>> P++(+++)$>++++ L++(++++)$>+++ !E---(---)>--- W+(++)$>+++ N(+)$>+
>>>> >> >>>> + !o !K--
>>>> >> >>>> w(--)>--- O()@> M++(++)$>++ V()>- PS+++()@>-- PE(++)@>+ Y+(+)@>+
>>>> >> >>>> PGP++(++)$>+++ t+(++)@>+++ 5(+)@>+ X+(++)@>+++ R+(+)@>++
>>>> >> >>>> tv-(+)$>++
>>>> >> >>>> b+++(++)$>++ DI++++(++)>+++ D++(++)@>++ G++(++)@>++ e++(++)$>++
>>>> >> >>>> h(-)$>-
>>>> >> >>>> r+++(+++)@>+++ y+(+++)>++++@
>>>> >> >>>> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>>
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