[ale] Hello World - in C# - in Mono - in Ubuntu is done

[Rev. Johnny Healey]

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-Rev. Johnny Healey

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you're only going learn one language learn python. It meets your
> requirements as well as the 3 you discussed and it's a fully open language.
>
> On Sep 16, 2010 10:31 PM, "Ron Frazier" <atllinuxenthinfo at c3energy.com>
> wrote:
>> Aaron,
>>
>> I would have hoped for a more informative and less divisive reply from
>> you. However, I have no desire to start an argument. 8-) If you type C#
>> vs C++ vs Java into Google, you get about 2.5 million results. So,
>> obviously, it's a hot debate. Instead of trying to read or summarize them,
>> I'll just give my take on the issue.
>>
>> First and foremost, I want the knowledge I'm trying to acquire to make me
>> money. These Wikipedia articles talk about market share:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows - Windows - ~ 91%
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh#Software - Mac OS - ~ 10%
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux - Linux Server - ~ 20% - 40%, Linux
>> Desktop - ~ 5%
>>
>> A quick and dirty search on the Monster job board within 200 miles of
>> Atlanta yields:
>>
>> C++ - 11 jobs
>> C# - 57 jobs
>> Java - 106 jobs
>>
>> So, I think I can certainly make money by learning C#. I could make money
>> with Java too, but I'm more concerned about Oracle being a corporate evil
>> demon than Microsoft at this point, given their propensity to sue people
>> after acquiring Sun. The Java community seems to be in an uproar. Also,
>> Microsoft is under scrutiny by the US Government for potentially anti
>> competitive practices. That past is not good, but they have to be careful
>> about further activities of that nature.
>>
>>
>> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/oracles-java-lawsuit-undermines-its-open-source-credibility.ars
>> http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70619.html?wlc=1284686907
>>
>> http://www.infoworld.com/t/intellectual-property/oracles-android-lawsuit-pandoras-box-serious-evils-359
>>
>> http://phandroid.com/2010/08/23/android-developers-unhappy-with-oracle-over-baseless-lawsuit/
>>
>> In addition, I want the following from my language of choice:
>>
>> Modern, high performance (but not real-time, for drivers, or kernels),
>> object oriented, multi threaded, capable of usage for desktop, server, or
>> network based applications. In my mind, the candidates are:
>> C++, C#, Java
>>
>> In terms of performance, the list above should be in order of fastest to
>> slowest. Also, my personal experience with Java applications indicates
>> they tend to be slower than native applications.
>>
>> I want my language to protect the programmer from bugs like memory leaks
>> and pointer errors. That knocks out C++. Both Java and C# are resistant
>> to those types of errors and have automatic garbage collection as far as I
>> know. Remaining candidates:
>> C#, Java
>>
>> In terms of being proprietary, both C# and Java are - in that their syntax
>> and features are controlled by corporations. See post #11 in the following
>> thread:
>>
>>
>> http://bytes.com/topic/c-sharp/answers/249140-c-proprietary-programming-language
>>
>> C# is documented and specified in international EMCA standards. I'm not
>> sure whether anything similar exists for Java.
>>
>> I want my language to be cross platform. Java is well known for
>> this. However, through the Mono project, as well as possibly others, it
>> appears that C# is very cross platform as well. I believe the situation
>> has been improving recently. A Google search on C# cross platform yields
>> 948,000 results. Also, the following link on the Mono site lists 20+
>> applications that have been written in Mono.
>>
>> http://mono-project.com/Screenshots
>>
>> Finally, I want my language to be able to produce self contained free
>> standing applications. As far as I know, this knocks out Java.
>>
>> So, overall, I don't think I was so short sited after all. 8-)
>>
>> PS# 1 - I was thinking about learning Java, before the Oracle debacle.
>> PS# 2 - I did produce my Hello World app in a fully Linux environment.
>> PS# 3 - The /ect/sudoers file, for example, uses the # symbol as a
>> comment,
>> not a NOT.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> At 9/16/2010 05:51 PM -0400, aaron wrote:
>>
>>>I can't think of anything more short sighted than learning to program in
>>>a totally proprietary language, especially given that there are so many
>>>fully capable and liberated open source languages available whose
>>>designers don't try to handcuff you to proprietary API's and put
>>>daunting
>>>roadblocks in the way of cross platform compiling.
>>>
>>>In some assembly code languages, "#" is the NOT symbol, so even the
>>>name of the C# language is telling you NOT to use it! :-)
>>>
>>>peace
>>>aaron
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> (PS - If you email me and don't get a quick response, you might want to
>> call on the phone. I get about 300 emails per day from alternate energy
>> mailing lists and such. I don't always see new messages very quickly.)
>>
>> Ron Frazier
>>
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>> linuxdude AT c3energy.com
>>
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