[ale] [OT] cartoon on BP spill blame

Fri Jun 18 13:17:21 EDT 2010

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:

> One problem with trying to be responsible is that smaller cars only fit
> smaller people.   Being 6'3" and ...umm... full figured I find few
> "cars" that actually fit me.

resisting urge to comment about food shortages....  :-)

<as I look at the "shelf" that is where my belly is...>

>   Despite that I've shopped around and
> found cars that do and resisted the urge to simply get a pickup or SUV
> even though I know many of of them will.
>
> If "public transportation" actually went from point to point AND was
> policed so that thugs and lunatics didn't make it unbearable more people
> would probably prefer to use it.   Having had to use it back when I was
> young and poor and had cheap auto insurance taught me that it is fairly
> worthless and only masochists would willingly subject themselves to its
> use if they could afford any other method.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Michael Potter
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:58 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] cartoon on BP spill blame
>
> I had a BMW Z3 in 1997.  My friend had a Geo Metro.
>
> My cost per mile for tires was higher than his cost per mile in gas.
> His cost for tires was just a little bit less than the cost of tax on my
> tires.
>
> I am not exaggerating.
>
> My opinion is that the government should not set artificial milage
> requirements for the automakers.
> The government should just tax gas such that people will make better
> choices for which cars they buy and which cars they drive.
> Automakers will respond to people's preferences by building cars that
> get better gas milage.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Tom Freeman
> <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net> wrote:
> > Well, the majority of the race seems to lack the desire/ability/
> > education (pick one or more blame points, or add one) to make much of
> > any choice except on the basis of upfront cost.
> >
> > How often have you had the conversation with somebody about to, or
> > justifying the purchase of a SUV where the _only_ cost that they
> > consider is the cost of the fuel to drive it somewhere? Funny thing
> is,
> > fuel cost is a fraction of the total cost of driving, yet the cost of
> > fuel drives the whole dynamic because it is visible.
> >
> > My Mazda 6 is getting about 30 mpg overall at the moment. With fuel
> > running about $2.70/gal, that works out to about $0.09/mile. Capital
> > cost happens to run about, wait for it, $0.09/mile (I was able to pay
> > cash - it will be higher if you have to finance). I haven't figured
> the
> > maintanace on this car, but the last one worked out to perhaps $0.06/
> > mile over 270,000 miles. Add in insurance at something near or better
> > than $0.05/mile (in my case - YMWV), and you might see the cost of
> > driving is at least three, probably four times the cost of fuel -
> > assuming that all the costs are accounted for. Plus the cost of
> > maintaining the roadway is almost impossible to account for here, as
> > there are multiple sources of funding (including but not limited to
> the
> > road use tax on fuel.)
> >
> > What I'm trying to suggest is that "price saver" mentality isn't the
> > only force in play here. There is also the hiding of costs through
> > various mechanisms The bright people around here can probably add two
> > or three more cost hiding/transfer mechanisms in further discussion.
> >
> > Jim - I do so agree that we need to own up to our participation in the
> > whole process, and not foist the responisiblity off onto somebody or
> > something else. My driving habits drive the need for more oil wells,
> > oil wells will leak/spill oil even if handled with the highest degree
> > of professionalism, so part of the "fault" of the catastrophe in the
> > gulf is mine. The owners/stockholders of record at the time of the
> > blowout have a larger, more direct responsibility since they own the
> > entity which acted in a less than perfectly professional manner. (If
> > you want the profits - you should take responsibilty for the oopes
> > also. IMHO)
> >
> > On 06/18/2010 11:25:55 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> >> I am willing to pay MUCH more on my plane tickets if the extra $$
> >> goes
> >> to
> >> improve service and reliability and safety, etc.
> >>
> >> We have developed too much of the walmart mentality for my tastes.
> >> cut
> >> costs
> >> to save $ with no regard for the quality (or lack) or damage it does
> >> to the
> >> surrounding.
> >>
> >> We _so_ need to start evaluating our own individual participation in
> >> the
> >> process around us.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Greg Freemyer
> >> <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Damn,
> >> >
> >> > I guess we should blame the passengers if a commercial airplane
> >> > crashes due to poor maintenance and pilot error.
> >> >
> >> > Greg
> >> >
> >> > On 6/18/10, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2010/05/31/mike-luckovich-
> >> june-1-cartoon/
> >> > >
> > <<snip for brevity>>
> >
> >
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