[ale] Ale Digest, Vol 30, Issue 62

SimonTek simontek at gmail.com
Mon Jul 12 19:41:20 EDT 2010


Amazed how much off-topic posts of the off-topic list.

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>    1. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Lightner, Jeff)
>    2. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Larry Johnson)
>    3. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Larry Johnson)
>    4. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Paul Cartwright)
>    5. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Stephen R. Blevins)
>    6. Re: [OT] The Marketing Deluded Consumer Society Explained
>       (Michael Hirsch)
>    7. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Preston Boyington)
>    8. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Greg Freemyer)
>    9. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (scott boss)
>   10. Re: Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts (Richard Faulkner)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:41:01 -0400
> From: "Lightner, Jeff" <jlightner at water.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <FF38BBA1BF42AB46A7F46524614FAB62025FF131 at EXVS02.dsw.net>
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> Suggesting separate lists sounds innocuous enough (to me) but I can tell
> you in the past that suggestion in and of itself has generated a massive
> flame war.   Every time it comes up it is shot down.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> scott
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:29 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
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> Larry Johnson wrote:
>> 1) try to keep it to off work hours and
>
> we would have to define "work hours".  Mine right now are 2am->11am.
> Some weeks it is noon->9pm, or 8pm->6am, or sometimes 7am-4pm/8am-5pm.
> And I know I am not the only one that doesnt work 8-5.
>
>> 2) if you don't obey rule number 1 at least keep it to no more than
> normal water fountain sports conversation
>
> I am not sure what "normal water fountain sports conversation" is.
>
> scott
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:43:39 -0400
> From: Larry Johnson <larryfeltonjohnson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
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> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:28 PM, scott <scott at sboss.net> wrote:
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>> we would have to define "work hours".  Mine right now are 2am->11am.
>> Some weeks it is noon->9pm, or 8pm->6am, or sometimes 7am-4pm/8am-5pm.
>> And I know I am not the only one that doesnt work 8-5.
>>
>> > 2) if you don't obey rule number 1 at least keep it to no more than
>> normal water fountain sports conversation
>>
>> I am not sure what "normal water fountain sports conversation" is.
>>
>> scott
>>
>>
> Ah, wait a minute, I think I misunderstood the nature of your comment.  I
> wasn't proposing a list with those rules for ALE.  I was just describing how
> our list was arranged.  If a separate list were set up for OT discussions on
> ALE, the only rules I'd propose would involve not taking things personally
> and not letting the discussion get out of hand.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> --
> "I see design standards that don't tell you how to come up with a good
> design (only how to write it down), employee evaluation standards that don't
> help you build meaningful long-term relationships with staff, testing
> standards that don't tell you how to invent a test that is worth running."
>
>                                      Tom DeMarco
>                                       Slack
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:46:18 -0400
> From: Larry Johnson <larryfeltonjohnson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
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> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Lightner, Jeff <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
>
>> Suggesting separate lists sounds innocuous enough (to me) but I can tell
>> you in the past that suggestion in and of itself has generated a massive
>> flame war.   Every time it comes up it is shot down.
>>
>>
> That's why I wimped out short of actually proposing it :-)
>
> Larry
>
> --
> "I see design standards that don't tell you how to come up with a good
> design (only how to write it down), employee evaluation standards that don't
> help you build meaningful long-term relationships with staff, testing
> standards that don't tell you how to invent a test that is worth running."
>
>                                      Tom DeMarco
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:52:51 -0400
> From: Paul Cartwright <ale at pcartwright.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <201007121652.51777.ale at pcartwright.com>
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> On Mon July 12 2010, Larry Johnson wrote:
>> Rather than lay down the law and ban the off topic discussions a separate
>> list was set up for off-topic banter.? Joining was voluntary.? The rules
>> were informally stated 1) try to keep it to off work hours and 2) if you
>> don't obey rule number 1 at least keep it to no more than normal water
>> fountain sports conversation and 3) keep all these discussion off the
>> official list.
>
> I was on 2 lists for ONE product that were like that, and it works very
> well.
> The MODERATOR ( or one of them) if someone started an OT thread, would copy
> it to the OT thread and declare it a DEAD-HORSE in the "regular thread..
> TheBat!, and TBOT ( TheBat Off-Topic). great email program ( not for linux,
> but you can use it with wine), and a great Off-topic list!
>
> --
> Paul Cartwright
> Registered Linux user # 367800
> Registered Ubuntu User #12459
> http://usdebtclock.org/
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:57:59 -0400
> From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <stephen.r.blevins at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4C3B8FE7.6060003 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> FWIW,
>      A psychologist and/or a sociologist would claim that the OT
> conversations are what *really* bind us together (i.e. create "group
> cohesion).  IMHO, I think that gives them value, so I am casting my
> meager vote for "No OT list." YMMV
>
> Stephen R. Blevins
> stephen.r.blevins at gmail.com
>
>
> Paul Cartwright wrote:
>> On Mon July 12 2010, Larry Johnson wrote:
>>> Rather than lay down the law and ban the off topic discussions a separate
>>> list was set up for off-topic banter.  Joining was voluntary.  The rules
>>> were informally stated 1) try to keep it to off work hours and 2) if you
>>> don't obey rule number 1 at least keep it to no more than normal water
>>> fountain sports conversation and 3) keep all these discussion off the
>>> official list.
>>
>> I was on 2 lists for ONE product that were like that, and it works very
>> well.
>> The MODERATOR ( or one of them) if someone started an OT thread, would
>> copy
>> it to the OT thread and declare it a DEAD-HORSE in the "regular thread..
>> TheBat!, and TBOT ( TheBat Off-Topic). great email program ( not for
>> linux,
>> but you can use it with wine), and a great Off-topic list!
>>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:21:03 -0600
> From: Michael Hirsch <mdhirsch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] [OT] The Marketing Deluded Consumer Society
> 	Explained
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTim0bTy6zpH9naQ-X2hEf9N2rDL8YUUe0JhDLpCT at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Aaron Ruscetta <arxaaron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ?iPhone ?vs ?HTC ?Evo Android
>>
>> Also, may be too true to be funny.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
>
> No, that was so true it was hilarious.  I laughed till I cried.
>
> Michael
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:25:07 -0500
> From: Preston Boyington <preston.lists at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4C3B9643.9070000 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Stephen R. Blevins wrote:
>> FWIW,
>>      A psychologist and/or a sociologist would claim that the OT
>> conversations are what *really* bind us together (i.e. create "group
>> cohesion).  IMHO, I think that gives them value, so I am casting my
>> meager vote for "No OT list." YMMV
>
>
> The "OT List" seems to come up every so often.  I can think of maybe 2-3
> times in the past where things got extremely heated, but for the most
> part people here really don't want a separate list.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:41:13 -0400
> From: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTint_cw6C_gt-s-N7TjfGZC0zkKwnCdINSCBbtLQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Preston Boyington
> <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Stephen R. Blevins wrote:
>>> FWIW,
>>> ? ? ?A psychologist and/or a sociologist would claim that the OT
>>> conversations are what *really* bind us together (i.e. create "group
>>> cohesion). ?IMHO, I think that gives them value, so I am casting my
>>> meager vote for "No OT list." YMMV
>>
>>
>> The "OT List" seems to come up every so often. ?I can think of maybe 2-3
>> times in the past where things got extremely heated, but for the most
>> part people here really don't want a separate list.
>
> I think Aaron's occasional comment to tone things down is sufficient.
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:56:57 -0400
> From: scott boss <scott at sboss.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!" <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <7874293513024927090 at unknownmsgid>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> 2 things before I shut up about this.
>
> 1. I was just trying to help since lately the amount of OT
> threads/msgs has really done up.
> 2. Ever since the "cool it" from the Grand Poobah came out earlier
> there hasn't been less OT volume.
>
> So use the alternate list or don't.  Yalls choice.  If the OT msgs
> don't calm down quickly I will probably delist myself since I don't
> need my iphone blowing up all day long with things about politics/oil
> spill/evil governments/etc
>
> Have a wonderful evening
>
> Sent from my mobile...
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Preston Boyington
>> <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Stephen R. Blevins wrote:
>>>> FWIW,
>>>>      A psychologist and/or a sociologist would claim that the OT
>>>> conversations are what *really* bind us together (i.e. create "group
>>>> cohesion).  IMHO, I think that gives them value, so I am casting my
>>>> meager vote for "No OT list." YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>> The "OT List" seems to come up every so often.  I can think of maybe 2-3
>>> times in the past where things got extremely heated, but for the most
>>> part people here really don't want a separate list.
>>
>> I think Aaron's occasional comment to tone things down is sufficient.
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:24:28 -0400
> From: Richard Faulkner <rfaulkner at 34thprs.org>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <1278977068.3027.25.camel at localhost.localdomain>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Random opinion from the Leopard Skin Room....
>
> Aaron has a good point and as much as I don't mind the OT posts (and
> will not criticize them) as not long ago I had to automatically move all
> my ALE inbound mail to a sub-folder to get it out of the mainstream of
> my inbox.  This has made me fall way behind on mailings and likely
> miss-out on a lot of great tips and insight on *nix as I don't read them
> as frequent as I used to.  When I first started in the group it was
> pretty easy to keep-up with it all but now with the OT content it got
> too much for me.
>
> I'm "Mr. Nobody" around here but that's how a noob to this group has
> been handling the volume of OT mailings (who gets all of this on his
> desktop and not on a mobile).
>
> One the that I DO WANT TO SAY...is that ALE IS THE FINEST GROUP to
> associate with when it comes to learning or seeing help with *nix issues
> BAR-NONE IMHO.  When I first made the switch to Ubuntu last fall I
> quickly got involved with their forums for support and learning.  I had
> some really nagging issues that were NEVER addressed by anyone -- but my
> own learning on/off-line made it possible for me to start answering
> users who were having issues that a Level I type could answer (which I
> did).  Through ALE I was encouraged to try Fedora (which I had tried
> long ago but had issues with...) and found it a great fit for me today!
> The few issues that I've run into have ALWAYS been kindly answered both
> in the Fedora Forum and by ALE members.
>
> I'm in Linux to stay and have washed my hands of M$ on my personal
> systems.  I'm eying Linux certification and moving from M$ admin to a
> more *nix-centric career path.  For that reason I'm planning on being
> with this group for the long-haul...OT or not I'll stick it out for the
> good stuff...but I for one humbly wouldn't mind seeing less OT material.
>
> Thanks to all!  Cheers!!   Rich in Lilburn
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott boss <scott at sboss.net>
> Reply-to: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux! <ale at ale.org>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Request to Reduce Off Topic Posts
> Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 18:56:57 -0400
>
>
> 2 things before I shut up about this.
>
> 1. I was just trying to help since lately the amount of OT
> threads/msgs has really done up.
> 2. Ever since the "cool it" from the Grand Poobah came out earlier
> there hasn't been less OT volume.
>
> So use the alternate list or don't.  Yalls choice.  If the OT msgs
> don't calm down quickly I will probably delist myself since I don't
> need my iphone blowing up all day long with things about politics/oil
> spill/evil governments/etc
>
> Have a wonderful evening
>
> Sent from my mobile...
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Preston Boyington
>> <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Stephen R. Blevins wrote:
>>>> FWIW,
>>>>      A psychologist and/or a sociologist would claim that the OT
>>>> conversations are what *really* bind us together (i.e. create "group
>>>> cohesion).  IMHO, I think that gives them value, so I am casting my
>>>> meager vote for "No OT list." YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>> The "OT List" seems to come up every so often.  I can think of maybe 2-3
>>> times in the past where things got extremely heated, but for the most
>>> part people here really don't want a separate list.
>>
>> I think Aaron's occasional comment to tone things down is sufficient.
>>
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