[ale] OT - Non AT&T landline - Further OT

[Jeff Lightner]

We had this argument before so no need to start it again.  IMO AT&T and
the NSA did something illegal not to mention ethically questionable.
You are free to think otherwise.  

You are now going to post asking which law they broke and not bother to
accept my comments about the constitution or laws against U.S. spy
agencies spying on Americans which were passed in the 70s when the CIA
was found to be doing this.  Or you'll come up with some other hogwash
that will be as meaningless.   I'll let your next post be the last
(albeit false) word on that.

None of that however will go to the original question I asked which is
"is anyone using any of the other landline phone service providers in
Bellsouth/AT&T territory and would they recommend it".  

I'll assume however that the answer to my question is "no" so I'll do
some web surfing instead.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Jim
To: ale at ale.org
Popovitch
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:44 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] OT - Non AT&T landline

On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:41 -0400, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> However, your point is a little off - it implies AT&T is storing all
> bytes and providing that - which too my knowledge this was never
> alleged.  

:-) Does it matter to you who is storing the bytes?  If so, it may be
some entity you've never heard of... and it may be happening without
someone alleging it.

> What was alleged was that AT&T/SBC (and some other ILECs) were
> providing all details of call records to the NSA.   Most ILECs denied
> they were doing it and at least one got a retraction by showing that
> they were asked to do it but refused.

I don't think that is 100% accurate.  You are stating a media person's
opinion of what those companies stated.

>  AT&T on the other hand simply changed its policy to say AT&T owns
> data about YOU and can give it to whoever they want without your
> consent.  That is a fairly large outrage in my mind and I'm surprised
> that more people aren't incensed by it.  

I see nothing wrong, nor reason for outrage, in AT&T turning over
records of data that traverses *THEIR* network.  Stores you shop in
routinely turn over their video tape to the police.  Heck, right now in
Buckhead there are some 299 privately owned cameras that the APD has
access to.  Everything from Bank security cameras, street cams, parking
lot cams, and Mall cameras.   

I understand your frustration in feeling violated, I don't understand
your expectation of 100% privacy when you interact in public realms.

-Jim P.

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