[ale] OT: Voting machines cracked in California

[Thompson Freeman]

Valid questions, to which I for one have no answers. Well,  
more properly, I don't trust any of the answers I have.  
Certainly, a some portion of human beings are both clued in  
to reality, and flat out crooked. Politicians are not  
exempt. I think a majority are not entirely clued into  
reality, nor entirely honest either. Not much has changed  
then since the days of machine politics a century ago; and  
that hadn't changed all that much in the century before  
that.

What we can do, and should do, and many of us will not do,  
is work for what is honest and achievable.

But that whole story is for another forum probably.


On 08/02/2007 06:03:58 PM, mmillard1 at comcast.net wrote:
> Is it possible for a system to be so obviously flawed
> without some of our politicians knowing it?  Is it
> possible they know it and don't care or more dangerous to
> us don't think of the issues as flaws?  We know from
> Florida and our history that politicians and their
> supporters are more than willing to cheat.  Whether it is
> dead voters, hanging chads or slicing tires.
> 
> It's a really scarey place for us to allow ourselves to
> be.
> 
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: tom <tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>
> 
> > On Thu, 2 Aug 2007, Ned Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Pleae see dissappearing ballot boxes in the Dekalb
> districts during the 2004
> > > races... Mckinney ...yep SOOOOOOO verifiyable.
> > >
> >
> > Well, I think we can verify that there were
> irregularities. Now, if
> > something wasn't _done_ about it, and from the tone I'll
> guess that not
> > much was, that is something else.
> >
> > This is sort of the point, I think. It appears that with
> the evote
> > machines, much irregularity can occur _without_ leaving
> a trace such as
> > large numbers of acomplices (sp?), missing
> ballots/ballot boxes, and other
> > forms of tampering.
> >
> > Are traditional voting methods impervious to fraud? No.
> The charge is that
> > the evote methods seem to be _less_ resistant to fraud,
> rather than more
> > so as certain politicians wanted to beleive, and that is
> a step back in
> > honesty.
> >
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