From jjj863 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 07:02:57 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:02:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>

I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or so. Tape
lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds good.
Anyone has recommendations based on experience?

   - $100 to $200  for for a known reliable external USB drive of decent
   size (250G or greater).
   - it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into ashes
   - plug&play compatible with Linux (CentOS 4/i386) without tweaking usb
   or pci spec or db files here and there.
   - rack-friendly, but not required to be rack mountable.
   - name brand or your choice of  drive make/model & external enclosure
   - option to format the drive to my fs of choice (ext2/ext3/fat32), w/o
   voiding warranty
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From bluejay at speedfactory.net  Wed Nov  1 08:07:48 2006
From: bluejay at speedfactory.net (Jim Seymour)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:07:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Debian/Clamav/Exim4 help
In-Reply-To: <20061031214749.GB28128@verysecurelinux.com>
References: <20061030205757.GB22852@nuthatch.nestbox>
	<20061031214749.GB28128@verysecurelinux.com>
Message-ID: <20061101130748.GA11166@nuthatch.nestbox>

On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:47:49PM -0500, Bob Toxen wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> I have incorporated clam-Av into my commercial Virus and spam filter.
> If you are looking for a commercial solution it would be a good one.
> Alternatively, if this is for your company I could debug this
> arrangement on a per-hour basis if desired.
> 
> Btw, you might find Sendmail easier to use and secure if you keep up on
> the about once-a-year security patch.
> 

Hi Bob,

This is just a home setup that I wanted to make a change from f-prot 
back to the Debian default virus package. Not looking for any kind of 
commercial support or consulting right now. I do have your Linux 
Security book though and love the firewall scripts in it. I also have an 
idea on the problem with clamav and will be looking into it over the 
next couple of days (time permitting).

Thanks,

Jim

-- 
I started using something better than the "standard" back when IBM
advertised OS/2 Warp on TV. As Linux matured I made the transition from
OS/2 v4 to Linux.  You don't have to accept less than you deserve.  "Use
the Power of the Penguin" Registered Linux user #316735


From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Wed Nov  1 09:17:35 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 09:17:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061101141735.GL25500@rdlg.net>



  I got a $15 3.5" IDE drive container and put a 160Gig drive in it.
For the last 3 months it has been connected to one of my desktops sharing
out it's file systems via nfs and samba (backups to my xbox).  It's had 0
problems and works very well.

  At current prices you could do this for a pair of 250's and either raid
them or rotate backups from one to the other.


Thus spake Jerry Yu (jjj863 at gmail.com):

>    I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or so.
>    Tape lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds
>    good. Anyone has recommendations based on experience?
>      * $100 to $200  for for a known reliable external USB drive of decent
>        size (250G or greater).
>      * it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into ashes
>      * plug&play compatible with Linux (CentOS 4/i386) without tweaking usb
>        or pci spec or db files here and there.
>      * rack-friendly, but not required to be rack mountable.
>      * name brand or your choice of  drive make/model & external enclosure
>      * option to format the drive to my fs of choice (ext2/ext3/fat32), w/o
>        voiding warranty

> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov  1 11:22:51 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:22:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu install witout formating /
Message-ID: <1162398171.2689.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm trying to install Xubuntu on my laptop _without_ formatting /.  It
has FC5 on it and I created a /FC5 and copied all my old stuff into
there.  When I try to install Xubuntu it will not allow me to install
without formatting /.  This will remove all my old stuff.  Is there a
way around this?  I guess I can copy all 12G off and then back on but
that sucks and takes time.



From volcimaster at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 10:35:02 2006
From: volcimaster at gmail.com (Warren Myers)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:35:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] Cent OS
In-Reply-To: <87c8039b0610311752h2907cbffv1667fcff0a480e36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0610311219h1131fdfdocaeb0125b5268c02@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162326641.9643.5.camel@localhost>
	<fccc61560610311247u3a0aed2dgf3b9eced2e7ceb94@mail.gmail.com>
	<cd08a04c0610311253v6219516bj3d30974b5cf71ca6@mail.gmail.com>
	<87c8039b0610311752h2907cbffv1667fcff0a480e36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd08a04c0611010735mb2d3dcco9e83ce4c67082235@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know - I only just saw the headline blurb from InfoWorld this
weekend, and don't know anything about Oracle's offering beyond that.

WMM

On 10/31/06, H P Ladds <householdwords at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/31/06, Warren Myers <volcimaster at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In fact, if you have an RHEL license, you can use up2date with your RHEL
> > license on a CentOS install.
>
>
> Hey Warren,
>
> Could CentOS be used in conjunction with Oracles' new support program?
>
> Oracle says that they intend to prevent fragmentation/forking of the Linux
> Community, and CentOS takes pride in its ability to duplicate Red Hat
> distros. Therefore Oracle's new program should effectively support CentOS --
> in theory anyway.
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From oobx at itmonger.com  Wed Nov  1 10:50:53 2006
From: oobx at itmonger.com (Brian Whigham)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 10:50:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu install witout formating /
In-Reply-To: <1162398171.2689.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1162398171.2689.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4548C25D.1000501@itmonger.com>

Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I'm trying to install Xubuntu on my laptop _without_ formatting /.  It
> has FC5 on it and I created a /FC5 and copied all my old stuff into
> there.  When I try to install Xubuntu it will not allow me to install
> without formatting /.  This will remove all my old stuff.  Is there a
> way around this?  I guess I can copy all 12G off and then back on but
> that sucks and takes time.

I've installed ubuntu twice in the past couple of days.  First time, I 
had trouble using the resize feature (???).  Second time (on my laptop), 
I used the manual partitioning to overwrite a Debian install.  I noticed 
that there is an option not to skip formatting of the specified partitions.

I imagine that this would result in some unkempt leftovers from the 
previous install.  You could probably mount the partition(s) in question 
and delete all but the home (and other important directories).  Then 
unmount and skip the formatting for a cleaner install.  If you were good 
about keeping /home on it's own partition, there should be few problems. 
  Just reformat all but the home partition.

bw


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 11:04:59 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:04:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <20061101141735.GL25500@rdlg.net>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101141735.GL25500@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611010804s1872d743ob069c1c24f21308c@mail.gmail.com>

We also tend to buy empty USB enclosures and then put the disk of our
choice inside.  All the modern enclosures I've tried will handle a
128+ GiB (LBA-48) drives.  We tend to spend $50 or so for a USB2
enclosure.  Ones that support Firewire are more.

We have bought and used various ones, but I don't remember any of them
giving us failures.

If you want to buy an integrated unit, the Maxtor ones appear very
nice, but I have not had one of those in service.

Greg

On 11/1/06, Robert L. Harris <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I got a $15 3.5" IDE drive container and put a 160Gig drive in it.
> For the last 3 months it has been connected to one of my desktops sharing
> out it's file systems via nfs and samba (backups to my xbox).  It's had 0
> problems and works very well.
>
>   At current prices you could do this for a pair of 250's and either raid
> them or rotate backups from one to the other.
>
>
> Thus spake Jerry Yu (jjj863 at gmail.com):
>
> >    I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or so.
> >    Tape lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds
> >    good. Anyone has recommendations based on experience?
> >      * $100 to $200  for for a known reliable external USB drive of decent
> >        size (250G or greater).
> >      * it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into ashes
> >      * plug&play compatible with Linux (CentOS 4/i386) without tweaking usb
> >        or pci spec or db files here and there.
> >      * rack-friendly, but not required to be rack mountable.
> >      * name brand or your choice of  drive make/model & external enclosure
> >      * option to format the drive to my fs of choice (ext2/ext3/fat32), w/o
> >        voiding warranty
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> :wq!
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>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
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>        ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
>        no-one else.                       - Manowar
>
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From jlightner at water.com  Wed Nov  1 11:17:48 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:17:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] IBM ServeRAID Event Log
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5DF@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Anyone using the IBM ServeRAID-4M Controller?  If so do you have
definition for the codes seen in the event logs viewed by the ipssend
utility?

I've been searching for this.  So far I've found multiple references to
POST codes but none to those shown with "ipssend getevent 1 soft".
I've found documentation for the IBM Netfinity 7600 this is in as well
as documentation for RAID on the CD for the card but none of it gives
this information.

Basically had an issue where the controller failed and we were able to
replace it with one from a retired system.  We then found one of the
drives was bad as well and replaced that.  It started the rebuild
yesterday and completed logical drive (LUN) 1 then started on LUN 2.
The next time I looked it was back on 1 again.   By afternoon it was on
2 again so I left it running.   This morning it is on LUN 3 (the final
LUN) but appears to be hung at 46.09% complete and has been for at least
3 hours (probably longer since I'm assuming it got here before I first
looked at it this morning).   I'm trying to figure out why it restarted
in the first place and why it is hanging now.  

Jeffrey C. Lightner
Unix Systems Administrator
DS Waters of America, LP
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From rsj at radio.org  Wed Nov  1 11:34:18 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 11:34:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Bad capacitors in computer motherboards
In-Reply-To: <4582874.1162316716271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <4582874.1162316716271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1162398858.5096.6.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>

Several motherboard manufactures had a bad run of caps (gray market)
that went bad in a short time.  

Check with the maker of your mother board as most of them will fix it
for you.

I've had an Asus and a Abit repaired.  What they do most of the time is
to send you an exchange mb right away.

On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 12:45 -0500, deritchie at earthlink.net wrote:
> Chris,
>    if you are looking for bad capacitors, the best device to do this with a ESR meter. ESR stands for
> Equivalent Serial Resistance - as electrolytics go bad, this rises over time. The good news is that the 
> replacement caps are relatively cheap and easy to replace if you are handy with a soldering iron....
> 
> -- Dave Ritchie
> 
> 
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From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 11:43:55 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 11:43:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] IBM ServeRAID Event Log
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5DF@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5DF@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611010843o180c00fbp4dcdbdf8dd97ba9@mail.gmail.com>

I think the linux-ha site has documents about that card on it.


On 11/1/06, Jeff Lightner <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> Anyone using the IBM ServeRAID-4M Controller?  If so do you have
> definition for the codes seen in the event logs viewed by the ipssend
> utility?
>
> I've been searching for this.  So far I've found multiple references to
> POST codes but none to those shown with "ipssend getevent 1 soft".
> I've found documentation for the IBM Netfinity 7600 this is in as well
> as documentation for RAID on the CD for the card but none of it gives
> this information.
>
> Basically had an issue where the controller failed and we were able to
> replace it with one from a retired system.  We then found one of the
> drives was bad as well and replaced that.  It started the rebuild
> yesterday and completed logical drive (LUN) 1 then started on LUN 2.
> The next time I looked it was back on 1 again.   By afternoon it was on
> 2 again so I left it running.   This morning it is on LUN 3 (the final
> LUN) but appears to be hung at 46.09% complete and has been for at least
> 3 hours (probably longer since I'm assuming it got here before I first
> looked at it this morning).   I'm trying to figure out why it restarted
> in the first place and why it is hanging now.
>
> Jeffrey C. Lightner
> Unix Systems Administrator
> DS Waters of America, LP
> 678-486-3516
>
>
>
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From jlightner at water.com  Wed Nov  1 12:44:41 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:44:41 -0500
Subject: [ale] IBM ServeRAID Event Log
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E0@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Thanks.  Checked it out but it's mostly about how to configure it for
clustering.   Didn't see anything there that had what I wanted. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Greg
To: ale at ale.org
Freemyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:44 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] IBM ServeRAID Event Log

I think the linux-ha site has documents about that card on it.


On 11/1/06, Jeff Lightner <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
> Anyone using the IBM ServeRAID-4M Controller?  If so do you have
> definition for the codes seen in the event logs viewed by the ipssend
> utility?
>
> I've been searching for this.  So far I've found multiple references
to
> POST codes but none to those shown with "ipssend getevent 1 soft".
> I've found documentation for the IBM Netfinity 7600 this is in as well
> as documentation for RAID on the CD for the card but none of it gives
> this information.
>
> Basically had an issue where the controller failed and we were able to
> replace it with one from a retired system.  We then found one of the
> drives was bad as well and replaced that.  It started the rebuild
> yesterday and completed logical drive (LUN) 1 then started on LUN 2.
> The next time I looked it was back on 1 again.   By afternoon it was
on
> 2 again so I left it running.   This morning it is on LUN 3 (the final
> LUN) but appears to be hung at 46.09% complete and has been for at
least
> 3 hours (probably longer since I'm assuming it got here before I first
> looked at it this morning).   I'm trying to figure out why it
restarted
> in the first place and why it is hanging now.
>
> Jeffrey C. Lightner
> Unix Systems Administrator
> DS Waters of America, LP
> 678-486-3516
>
>
>
>


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Forensics for the 21st Century
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov  1 07:45:58 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 12:45:58 +0000
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
Message-ID: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>

I'm running Xubuntu live on my laptop and will be installing it.  I know 
that I can use apt-get to retrieve evoltution but is there any reason 
to?  I only use IMAP and Thunderbird seems to work well with the little 
testing I've am doing today.


From msmith at mikeandmel.com  Wed Nov  1 12:49:57 2006
From: msmith at mikeandmel.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:49:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Bad capacitors in computer motherboards
In-Reply-To: <1162398858.5096.6.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
References: <4582874.1162316716271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1162398858.5096.6.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
Message-ID: <54266.64.236.221.6.1162403397.squirrel@www.mikeandmel.com>

What are the signs of a faulty capacitor?

<Begin Short Rant Here>
I ask this because I had an ASUS P5RD2-VM board that I just sent back to
newegg that would crash randomly.  I thought it might be a driver but it
started crashing in safe mode in Windows XP.  I couldn't even install any
type of linux on it.  It would hang when copying the files over to the
hard drive(on ubuntu, fedora, and suse) from the CDROM.  I ran several
memory testing tools and all tests resulted in no errors.  I ran prime95
in XP and it never would crash ehne I ran it(and the temps remained pretty
low) but if I left the computer on for a day it would crash.  I debugged
the memory dumps in XP and they would show different error locations.  I
tried removing all hardware except for the CDROM, memory and hard drive
and it still crashed(the mb has on board video).  I tried swapping hard
drives, power supplies and various cables also. Since it would crash after
several hours I thought that it might be heat related but after logging
the mb and cpu temps to a file I realized that the temps were well within
the normal range.
Anyways I sent the memory and the motherboard back because I couldn't
resolve the problem.  I tried for 2 months to get it working.
</End Short Rant Here>


> Several motherboard manufactures had a bad run of caps (gray market)
> that went bad in a short time.
>
> Check with the maker of your mother board as most of them will fix it
> for you.
>
> I've had an Asus and a Abit repaired.  What they do most of the time is
> to send you an exchange mb right away.
>
> On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 12:45 -0500, deritchie at earthlink.net wrote:
>> Chris,
>>    if you are looking for bad capacitors, the best device to do this
>> with a ESR meter. ESR stands for
>> Equivalent Serial Resistance - as electrolytics go bad, this rises over
>> time. The good news is that the
>> replacement caps are relatively cheap and easy to replace if you are
>> handy with a soldering iron....
>>
>> -- Dave Ritchie
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> --
> Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
> Randy's Ham Shack
> <rsj at radio.org>
> FWD# 654871
>
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From transam at verysecurelinux.com  Wed Nov  1 12:56:53 2006
From: transam at verysecurelinux.com (Bob Toxen)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 12:56:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Debian/Clamav/Exim4 help
In-Reply-To: <20061101130748.GA11166@nuthatch.nestbox>
References: <20061030205757.GB22852@nuthatch.nestbox>
	<20061031214749.GB28128@verysecurelinux.com>
	<20061101130748.GA11166@nuthatch.nestbox>
Message-ID: <20061101175653.GA30767@verysecurelinux.com>

On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 08:07:48AM -0500, Jim Seymour wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 04:47:49PM -0500, Bob Toxen wrote:
> > Jim,

> > I have incorporated clam-Av into my commercial Virus and spam filter.
> > If you are looking for a commercial solution it would be a good one.
> > Alternatively, if this is for your company I could debug this
> > arrangement on a per-hour basis if desired.

> > Btw, you might find Sendmail easier to use and secure if you keep up on
> > the about once-a-year security patch.


> Hi Bob,

> This is just a home setup that I wanted to make a change from f-prot 
> back to the Debian default virus package. Not looking for any kind of 
> commercial support or consulting right now.
Unfortunately, the ClamAV programmers don't believe in staying
upward compatible.  Periodically I have to change my "higher level code"
to accomodate these upward incompatibilities.

> I do have your Linux Security book though and love the firewall scripts
> in it.
It is my pleasure to be of help.

> I also have an idea on the problem with clamav and will be looking
> into it over the next couple of days (time permitting).
Good luck!

> Thanks,

> Jim

> -- 
> I started using something better than the "standard" back when IBM
> advertised OS/2 Warp on TV. As Linux matured I made the transition from
> OS/2 v4 to Linux.  You don't have to accept less than you deserve.  "Use
> the Power of the Penguin" Registered Linux user #316735

Bob Toxen
bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux/Unix security consulting]
http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]
Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.

"Microsoft: Unsafe at any clock speed!"
   -- Bob Toxen 10/03/2002


From rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com  Wed Nov  1 13:38:51 2006
From: rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com (Robert Story)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 13:38:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>

On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:02:57 -0500 Jerry wrote:
JY> I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or so. Tape
JY> lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds good.
 ...
JY>    - it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into ashes

If this is the case, I recommend against USB/Firewire, and would instead go
with external SATA.

1) I'm pretty sure neither USB nor Firewire will let you spin down the drive
when idle. Since this is a backup drive, that will likely be most of the time.

2) I'm very sure that neither USB nor Firewire will let you do SMART
monitoring, so you can know when a drive is starting to fail.

3) I'm 100% positive that SATA will be faster than USB or Firewire.


From rsj at radio.org  Wed Nov  1 13:46:24 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 13:46:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] Bad capacitors in computer motherboards
In-Reply-To: <54266.64.236.221.6.1162403397.squirrel@www.mikeandmel.com>
References: <4582874.1162316716271.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1162398858.5096.6.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
	<54266.64.236.221.6.1162403397.squirrel@www.mikeandmel.com>
Message-ID: <1162406785.5096.27.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>

Bad caps can cause all kinds of erratic behaviors according to what part
of the motherboard that they are in.  The physical signs are usually
swelling, leaking and sometimes heating. If they go bad in the power
filtering section, (usually around the power connector and regulator
transistors that are soldered down on the mb) they cause erratic
fluctuations on the voltages which will cause ICs to behave erratic.

In other words, all kinds of nasty and unusual problems. 

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 12:49 -0500, Michael Smith wrote:
> What are the signs of a faulty capacitor?
> 
> <Begin Short Rant Here>
> I ask this because I had an ASUS P5RD2-VM board that I just sent back to
> newegg that would crash randomly.  I thought it might be a driver but it
> started crashing in safe mode in Windows XP.  I couldn't even install any
> type of linux on it.  It would hang when copying the files over to the
> hard drive(on ubuntu, fedora, and suse) from the CDROM.  I ran several
> memory testing tools and all tests resulted in no errors.  I ran prime95
> in XP and it never would crash ehne I ran it(and the temps remained pretty
> low) but if I left the computer on for a day it would crash.  I debugged
> the memory dumps in XP and they would show different error locations.  I
> tried removing all hardware except for the CDROM, memory and hard drive
> and it still crashed(the mb has on board video).  I tried swapping hard
> drives, power supplies and various cables also. Since it would crash after
> several hours I thought that it might be heat related but after logging
> the mb and cpu temps to a file I realized that the temps were well within
> the normal range.
> Anyways I sent the memory and the motherboard back because I couldn't
> resolve the problem.  I tried for 2 months to get it working.
> </End Short Rant Here>
> 
> 
> > Several motherboard manufactures had a bad run of caps (gray market)
> > that went bad in a short time.
> >
> > Check with the maker of your mother board as most of them will fix it
> > for you.
> >
> > I've had an Asus and a Abit repaired.  What they do most of the time is
> > to send you an exchange mb right away.
> >
> > On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 12:45 -0500, deritchie at earthlink.net wrote:
> >> Chris,
> >>    if you are looking for bad capacitors, the best device to do this
> >> with a ESR meter. ESR stands for
> >> Equivalent Serial Resistance - as electrolytics go bad, this rises over
> >> time. The good news is that the
> >> replacement caps are relatively cheap and easy to replace if you are
> >> handy with a soldering iron....
> >>
> >> -- Dave Ritchie
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ale mailing list
> >> Ale at ale.org
> >> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > --
> > Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
> > Randy's Ham Shack
> > <rsj at radio.org>
> > FWD# 654871
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
Randy's Ham Shack
<rsj at radio.org>
FWD# 654871



From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  1 14:41:03 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 14:41:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
Message-ID: <1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 12:45 +0000, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I'm running Xubuntu live on my laptop and will be installing it.  I know 
> that I can use apt-get to retrieve evoltution but is there any reason 
> to?  I only use IMAP and Thunderbird seems to work well with the little 
> testing I've am doing today.

Personally I very much like Thunderbird, however it's lack of a good
calendar still keeps me on Evolution.

-Jim P.



From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Wed Nov  1 15:35:59 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:35:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Wed November 1 2006 2:41 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Personally I very much like Thunderbird, however it's lack of a good
> calendar still keeps me on Evolution.

what about Kontact and/or Subird?
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 15:42:49 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:42:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/1/06, Robert Story <rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:02:57 -0500 Jerry wrote:
> JY> I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or so. Tape
> JY> lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds good.
>  ...
> JY>    - it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into ashes
>
> If this is the case, I recommend against USB/Firewire, and would instead go
> with external SATA.
>
> 1) I'm pretty sure neither USB nor Firewire will let you spin down the drive
> when idle. Since this is a backup drive, that will likely be most of the time.
>
> 2) I'm very sure that neither USB nor Firewire will let you do SMART
> monitoring, so you can know when a drive is starting to fail.
>
> 3) I'm 100% positive that SATA will be faster than USB or Firewire.
> _______________________________________________

The linux 2.6 kernel sata driver is rapidly maturing, so 2.6.18 is
vastly better than 2.6.17 at error handling and 2.6.19 will have a lot
of improvements over 2.6.18.  Even more are in the devel tree and
planned for 2.6.20 inclusion

See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for a 2.6.19-rc1 status.

If I were going to go with eSata I would definitely want to use a
controller that Linux supported hotplug with.  Per the matrix there
were only 4 a month ago.  2.6.20 is expected  to support a lot more.
ie. several more are supported in the current libata devel tree, but
not in mainline yet.

Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  1 15:54:15 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:54:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
Message-ID: <1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 15:35 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On Wed November 1 2006 2:41 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > Personally I very much like Thunderbird, however it's lack of a good
> > calendar still keeps me on Evolution.
> 
> what about Kontact and/or Subird?

Those are indeed calendars, but I never could get an integrated mail
+calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.

-Jim P.






From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Wed Nov  1 16:21:47 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:21:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com> <	>
	<1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost> <	>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f305c5dc63b9aca00688f0ce5.305c6813@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>I never could get an integrated mail
>+calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.

Have you tried Thunderbird+Lightning?

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/

Most of the code is shared with Sunbird. Version 0.3 was released last month.

-Brian

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From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Wed Nov  1 16:51:55 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 16:51:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611011651.56909.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Wed November 1 2006 3:54 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Those are indeed calendars, but I never could get an integrated mail
> +calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.

I might have to look into lightning to replace sunbird, since I use 
thunderbird...
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/index.html
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov  1 17:39:22 2006
From: briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net (Jim Philips)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:39:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611011739.22394.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>

On Wednesday 01 November 2006 15:54, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 15:35 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > On Wed November 1 2006 2:41 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > > Personally I very much like Thunderbird, however it's lack of a good
> > > calendar still keeps me on Evolution.
> >
> > what about Kontact and/or Subird?
>
> Those are indeed calendars, but I never could get an integrated mail
> +calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.
>
> -Jim P.

In what way is Kontact's calendar not integrated with e-mail?


From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Wed Nov  1 17:50:51 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 17:50:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <200611011739.22394.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
	<200611011739.22394.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <200611011750.52947.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Wed November 1 2006 5:39 pm, Jim Philips wrote:
> In what way is Kontact's calendar not integrated with e-mail?

it is integrated with kmail ( KDE) I think he was talking about Xbuntu, 
which is a different desktop, I think Xfce :
http://www.xfce.org/index.php

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 18:09:58 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:09:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] linux old timers question (late 1990s)
Message-ID: <87f94c370611011509n3e2bdd8cud826a6420e2297de@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I have an old 80 MB disk I need to figure out/review.  Appears to be
from the late 1990s.

I've used dd to make a copy of it.

It does not seem to have a traditional partition table and running
file against it tells me:

dd-image: Linux/x86 Kernel, Setup Version 0x201, zImage, RO-rootFS,
root_dev 0xFF, Normal VGA

Which is very close to what I get if I run file against a current
kernel in /boot.

So it looks like the the first portion of this 80 MB disk is a linux
kernel.  Running strings against it I see:

>>
4rz6
C9m{
8;R~
gP~IA~q
olh~
t0DO
~c-f9
4*{&j
ca)m
]ZF*
sY>L
E]xb
RQSP
Loading
$HdrS
ZZuC
 PQ0
No setup signature found ...
Wrong loader, giving up...
2.0.29 (source at alyshia) #51 Mon Apr 7 02:49:06 PDT 1997
INT15 refuses to access high mem, giving up...
<<

Which makes me think that this is a 2.0.29 kernel from 1997.  (I don't
know if those dates are consistent or not.)

Can anyone tell me how I can find a filesystem on this image?  ie.
What is the offset to the start of any and all filesystems.

I assume if I knew the offset I could do a mount -o loop  to mount it
and take a look around at the filesystem.

Thanks
Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From lgj at usenix.org  Wed Nov  1 19:06:53 2006
From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:06:53 -0800
Subject: [ale] Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06
Message-ID: <4549369D.5000803@usenix.org>

Top 5 Reasons to Attend LISA '06

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-----------------------------------------------------------
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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 19:54:12 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:54:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] linux old timers question (late 1990s)
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611011509n3e2bdd8cud826a6420e2297de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611011509n3e2bdd8cud826a6420e2297de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611011654x1510aeb8nb460b4c7c015e6e1@mail.gmail.com>

can you try to boot with it, using /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk under a working
Linux box?  Not from experience, but from RTFM.
Basically you'll need to do the following on a working Linux box:

   - cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk to /boot
   - cp the disk image to /boot (assume named oldpc.img)
   - add a GRUB entry like something below:

Title  old PC image could be a 2.0 linux
               kernel /memdisk
               initrd /oldie.img

   - boot and select "old PC image could be a 2.0 linux"


On 11/1/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I have an old 80 MB disk I need to figure out/review.  Appears to be
> from the late 1990s.
>
> I've used dd to make a copy of it.
>
> It does not seem to have a traditional partition table and running
> file against it tells me:
>
> dd-image: Linux/x86 Kernel, Setup Version 0x201, zImage, RO-rootFS,
> root_dev 0xFF, Normal VGA
>
> Which is very close to what I get if I run file against a current
> kernel in /boot.
>
> So it looks like the the first portion of this 80 MB disk is a linux
> kernel.  Running strings against it I see:
>
> >>
> 4rz6
> C9m{
> 8;R~
> gP~IA~q
> olh~
> t0DO
> ~c-f9
> 4*{&j
> ca)m
> ]ZF*
> sY>L
> E]xb
> RQSP
> Loading
> $HdrS
> ZZuC
> PQ0
> No setup signature found ...
> Wrong loader, giving up...
> 2.0.29 (source at alyshia) #51 Mon Apr 7 02:49:06 PDT 1997
> INT15 refuses to access high mem, giving up...
> <<
>
> Which makes me think that this is a 2.0.29 kernel from 1997.  (I don't
> know if those dates are consistent or not.)
>
> Can anyone tell me how I can find a filesystem on this image?  ie.
> What is the offset to the start of any and all filesystems.
>
> I assume if I knew the offset I could do a mount -o loop  to mount it
> and take a look around at the filesystem.
>
> Thanks
> Greg
> --
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From sergio at turbocorp.com  Wed Nov  1 20:48:27 2006
From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 20:48:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Test
Message-ID: <200611012048.27689.sergio@turbocorp.com>

1,2,3...

-- 
"When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; 
when character is lost, all is lost."
--Billy Graham 
----
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   v                Sergio Chaves                 v
 /(_)\          Linux User #221305           /(_)\
  ^ ^                                                   ^ ^
                  


 


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  1 21:25:16 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:25:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <200611011739.22394.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
	<200611011739.22394.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1162434316.10286.21.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 17:39 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 November 2006 15:54, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 15:35 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> > > On Wed November 1 2006 2:41 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> > > > Personally I very much like Thunderbird, however it's lack of a good
> > > > calendar still keeps me on Evolution.
> > >
> > > what about Kontact and/or Subird?
> >
> > Those are indeed calendars, but I never could get an integrated mail
> > +calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.
> >
> > -Jim P.
> 
> In what way is Kontact's calendar not integrated with e-mail?

I don't know about Kontact... but here is what I mean by integrated:

When receiving emailed iCal appointment schedules, the integrated
calendar should be able (without much effort) to import the calendar
info, provide a daily/weekly/monthy printable view, and remind the user,
via different methods, of soon-to-happen meetings, conf calls,
appointments, tasks... without having to run the email or calendar
application all the time, as well as working between reboots without
needing to re-launch either email or calendar application.

Evolution does all of the above, by itself, seamlessly, and silently
(unless it is notifying me of something).  

What Evolution doesn't do, that I like in Thunderbird is allow me to
right-click (and only right-click ) and select the proper spelling for a
word I am typing in an email.  Yes, all those extra clicks needed in
Evolution do waste some time.   Also, Thunderbird has a better search
interface for email within a folder, as well as the ability to
right-click on an email address and select "Copy", something I can
imagine why Evolution would leave that out. 


-Jim P.



From pete.hardie at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 07:30:23 2006
From: pete.hardie at gmail.com (Pete Hardie)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:30:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] Hellsouth DNS changes
In-Reply-To: <200610311156.32150.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200610311156.32150.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <31b322400611020430u326f1785qc9e796be12d463b7@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/31/06, David Corbin <dcorbin at machturtle.com> wrote:
> Bellsouth (my ISP) appears to have change where there DNS servers are located
> (IP-wise).  I run my own DNS servers for home network, that forwards to
> Bellsouth for non-local requests.  However, after changing my DNS server to
> forward to their new IP address, I still have their "wonky behavior" of
> getting all my web-requests redirect.
>
> Any suggestions on how ot fix this welcome.

They did send out a notice of this change - although I only got the
"second notice" message.  However, I cannot speak to its effect on
other DNS servers, as I don't run any internally.

-- 
Pete Hardie
--------
Better Living Through Bitmaps


From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Thu Nov  2 08:00:26 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:00:26 +0000
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f305c5dc63b9aca00688f0ce5.305c6813@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com> <	>
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I like thunderbird, but I can sync my evolution calendar and addresses
with my treo. I have noticed that since I have about 4 years of stuff in
evolution calendar, it seems to take a bit launch these days. 

On Wed, 2006-11-01 at 16:21 -0500, Brian D. Pitts wrote:
> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
> I never could get an integrated mail
> +calendar (ala Notes or Outlook) outside of Evolution.
> 
> Have you tried Thunderbird+Lightning?
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/
> 
> Most of the code is shared with Sunbird. Version 0.3 was released last
> month.
> 
> -Brian 
> _______________________________________________
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> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov  2 08:14:07 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:14:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162472426.12186.345.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com> <	>
	<1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost> <	>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
	<fc.00249f0f305c5dc63b9aca00688f0ce5.305c6813@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<1162472426.12186.345.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <1162473247.17668.8.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:00 +0000, James P. Kinney III wrote:
> I have noticed that since I have about 4 years of stuff in
> evolution calendar, it seems to take a bit launch these days. 

Funny.  I see the opposite on exit of evolution.  I no longer exit it.
I simply kill -9 evolution.  Otherwise it will take a long time to shut
down and use 100% CPU.  I have no clue what it is doing.




From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 08:30:07 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:30:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>

interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II Hard
Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?

On 11/1/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/1/06, Robert Story <rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:02:57 -0500 Jerry wrote:
> > JY> I need to stage backups at a co-lo. A daily full set totals 15G or
> so. Tape
> > JY> lib/magazine option is out for now, so an external USB drive sounds
> good.
> >  ...
> > JY>    - it needs to stay on 24x7x365 w/o overheating or burning into
> ashes
> >
> > If this is the case, I recommend against USB/Firewire, and would instead
> go
> > with external SATA.
> >
> > 1) I'm pretty sure neither USB nor Firewire will let you spin down the
> drive
> > when idle. Since this is a backup drive, that will likely be most of the
> time.
> >
> > 2) I'm very sure that neither USB nor Firewire will let you do SMART
> > monitoring, so you can know when a drive is starting to fail.
> >
> > 3) I'm 100% positive that SATA will be faster than USB or Firewire.
> > _______________________________________________
>
> The linux 2.6 kernel sata driver is rapidly maturing, so 2.6.18 is
> vastly better than 2.6.17 at error handling and 2.6.19 will have a lot
> of improvements over 2.6.18.  Even more are in the devel tree and
> planned for 2.6.20 inclusion
>
> See http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html#matrix for a 2.6.19-rc1status.
>
> If I were going to go with eSata I would definitely want to use a
> controller that Linux supported hotplug with.  Per the matrix there
> were only 4 a month ago.  2.6.20 is expected  to support a lot more.
> ie. several more are supported in the current libata devel tree, but
> not in mainline yet.
>
> Greg
> --
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
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> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From lane.oden at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 08:46:59 2006
From: lane.oden at gmail.com (Lane Oden)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:46:59 -0600
Subject: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)
In-Reply-To: <1162472426.12186.345.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <001201c6fe85$60a8ab90$6700000a@LaneDesktop>

Hey AlErs...

I'm relatively new to the list and this is my first post...

Anyone here have any experience with RHEL4 (or any of its clones) on ia64? 

I downloaded media from RH the other day (official media kit is currently in
transit). When the EFI boot starts the DVD drive, elilo starts, loads the
kernel and ram disk... and then nothing...

>From all the hp/RH documentation I've seen to this point, if it detects a
video card, it should default to that as its standard output device. But
I've even tried booting linux and linux test from the elilo prompt with no
change in behavior. The machine doesn't appear to have stopped responding. I
just can't find the output. 

Sound familiar to anyone?



From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 09:36:12 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:36:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)
In-Reply-To: <001201c6fe85$60a8ab90$6700000a@LaneDesktop>
References: <1162472426.12186.345.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
	<001201c6fe85$60a8ab90$6700000a@LaneDesktop>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611020636p7f88020cj5504433adfc8f017@mail.gmail.com>

not familiar with the hardware. Did you try to switch to other TTY, by 'ctrl
+ alt + F2' through F12. Couldn't recall which one would contain error or
verbose output if any.

On 11/2/06, Lane Oden <lane.oden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey AlErs...
>
> I'm relatively new to the list and this is my first post...
>
> Anyone here have any experience with RHEL4 (or any of its clones) on ia64?
>
> I downloaded media from RH the other day (official media kit is currently
> in
> transit). When the EFI boot starts the DVD drive, elilo starts, loads the
> kernel and ram disk... and then nothing...
>
> >From all the hp/RH documentation I've seen to this point, if it detects a
> video card, it should default to that as its standard output device. But
> I've even tried booting linux and linux test from the elilo prompt with no
> change in behavior. The machine doesn't appear to have stopped responding.
> I
> just can't find the output.
>
> Sound familiar to anyone?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov  2 09:40:47 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:40:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Installing mplayer on Xubuntu
Message-ID: <1162478447.17668.32.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I'm following the instructions for installing mplayer from the xubuntu
site.

Here is what i got

root at cfowler-laptop:~# sudo apt-get install mplayer
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  esound-common libartsc0 libdirectfb-0.9-24 libdv4 libdvdread3 libesd-
alsa0 libfaac0 libggi2 libgii1 libgii1-target-x
  liblame0 libmp4v2-0 libmpcdec3 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa
libsmbclient libungif4g libxvidcore4 mplayer-skins
Suggested packages:
  libdvdcss2 esound libggi-target-emu libggi-target-monotext libggimisc2
w32codecs libdvdcss mplayer-doc
Recommended packages:
  libdv-bin esound-clients libggi-target-x libggi-target
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  esound-common libartsc0 libdirectfb-0.9-24 libdv4 libdvdread3 libesd-
alsa0 libfaac0 libggi2 libgii1 libgii1-target-x
  liblame0 libmp4v2-0 libmpcdec3 libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2debian-alsa
libsmbclient libungif4g libxvidcore4 mplayer
  mplayer-skins


Looks good mplayer there.  I assume I need w32codecs.  It is suggested
but not installed.  How do I install it?

root at cfowler-laptop:~# apt-get install  w32codecs
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another
package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate




From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Thu Nov  2 09:45:05 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 09:45:05 -0500
Subject: [ale] Installing mplayer on Xubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1162478447.17668.32.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1162478447.17668.32.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f305ea30c3b9aca00feb75fa2.305ea3f6@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
> I assume I need w32codecs.  It is suggested
>but not installed.  How do I install it?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats

wget -c
http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20060611-0.0_i386.deb

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From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Thu Nov  2 09:41:13 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:41:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] Installing mplayer on Xubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1162478447.17668.32.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1162478447.17668.32.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <200611020941.14439.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Thu November 2 2006 9:40 am, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> Looks good mplayer there. ?I assume I need w32codecs. ?It is
> suggested but not installed. ?How do I install it?

try packman:
http://packman.links2linux.de/package/046


-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 09:55:18 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:55:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II Hard
> Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?

I don't think that requires specific OS level support beyond SATA.

The perpendicular part is all self-contained in the drive, and SATA II
AFAIK is just a faster version of SATA, so that is handled in the
controller hardware/firmware.

There may be some small issues in hdparm etc. with reporting the
speed/interface correctly, but that should not impact general use of
that class drive.

Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 10:00:55 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:00:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>

good to hear. I'll get one and also to find/buy an enclosure which supports
it.

On 11/2/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II Hard
> > Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?
>
> I don't think that requires specific OS level support beyond SATA.
>
> The perpendicular part is all self-contained in the drive, and SATA II
> AFAIK is just a faster version of SATA, so that is handled in the
> controller hardware/firmware.
>
> There may be some small issues in hdparm etc. with reporting the
> speed/interface correctly, but that should not impact general use of
> that class drive.
>
> Greg
> --
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 10:03:08 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 10:03:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm. Welp, a couple nights ago I tried running memtest86+ on it (after
several failed boot attempts) and it looked good for the 30 minutes or so I
had to run it. Looked like a full run would take 2 hours or more.

Last night, I was actually home long enough to try again. This time I had no
failed boots, but memtest86+ failed consistently.

So my current operating plan is to go to MicroSeconds Saturday and buy
another stick of memory, a power supply, and a Socket A motherboard. Then
I'll easter-egg 'em in starting with the memory until I'm convinced I've
found the trouble.

-- CHS


On 10/30/06, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My main box at home is having Serious Troubles.  On startup it often will
> hang (no screen output) with the CD light lit steady until I press & hold
> the "off" switch to retry. Other behaviors include appearing to start up and
> then emitting random beeps through the speaker with no screen output, or
> giving random core dumps on various scripts in /etc/init.d.  I've also
> experienced  spontaneous reboots and random hangs/program failures in X
> windows.  The "memory speed" number given in the initial startup screen
> sometimes changes from boot-up to boot-up as well.  The system is a
> home-brew about 4 years old and lightly used; leadtek WinFast K-series MB,
> athlon chip, cheap simple video card, single 512 MB DRAM stick. Processor
> temperatures appear to be within acceptable ranges, at least according to
> the "syshealth" part of the BIOS. I've enabled the full memory test in the
> POST, but so far that hasn't picked up any problems.
>
> I'm thinking that the problem is either memory or motherboard. I've
> removed, air-blasted, and re-seated the memory stick in a new slot without
> change in behavior. At  this point I'm considering getting some new memory
> and, if that doesn't change the behavior, replacing the motherboard.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? The clock appears steady, so I'm assuming the
> BIOS battery is OK, but perhaps that's a factor?
>
> -- CHS
>
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From dale at wa4dsy.net  Thu Nov  2 11:20:42 2006
From: dale at wa4dsy.net (Dale Heatherington)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:20:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] CF card permissions in Kubuntu
Message-ID: <200611021120.42451.dale@wa4dsy.net>


I've changed my OS from Suse 9.2 to Kubuntu 6.06.  When I insert a CF card it 
automounts and the permissions on all the files defaults to 700 .  With Suse 
it was 755.  

I'd like to change the default file permissions for USB flash drives.  
However, these automount and are not in /etc/fstab .   The drives appear 
in /media/sda1.  I assume there is a config file somewhere that sets the 
permissions.  Does anyone know how to change them?



-- 
--
Dale Heatherington
http://www.wa4dsy.net/


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 11:25:54 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 11:25:54 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird vs Evolution
In-Reply-To: <1162473247.17668.8.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <45489706.2080203@outpostsentinel.com> <	>
	<1162410063.2052.4.camel@localhost> <	>
	<200611011536.00208.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>
	<1162414455.7211.1.camel@localhost>
	<fc.00249f0f305c5dc63b9aca00688f0ce5.305c6813@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<1162472426.12186.345.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
	<1162473247.17668.8.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1162484754.13975.38.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 08:14 -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:00 +0000, James P. Kinney III wrote:
> > I have noticed that since I have about 4 years of stuff in
> > evolution calendar, it seems to take a bit launch these days. 
> 
> Funny.  I see the opposite on exit of evolution.  I no longer exit it.
> I simply kill -9 evolution.  Otherwise it will take a long time to shut
> down and use 100% CPU.  I have no clue what it is doing.

I just noticed that my Evolution calendar items (scheduled meetings,
conf calls) are 1 hour off now that day-light savings is over.  Standard
Ubuntu Dapper install with Evolution v2.6.1.   Crazy.

-Jim P.



From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Thu Nov  2 11:51:34 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:51:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] CF card permissions in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200611021120.42451.dale@wa4dsy.net>
References: <200611021120.42451.dale@wa4dsy.net>
Message-ID: <200611021151.36857.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Thu November 2 2006 11:20 am, Dale Heatherington wrote:
> I've changed my OS from Suse 9.2 to Kubuntu 6.06. ?When I insert a
> CF card it automounts and the permissions on all the files defaults
> to 700 . ?With Suse it was 755.
>
> I'd like to change the default file permissions for USB flash
> drives. ? However, these automount and are not in /etc/fstab . ? The
> drives appear in /media/sda1. ?I assume there is a config file
> somewhere that sets the permissions. ?Does anyone know how to change
> them?
I googled and found this:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=330584
  
	 

Read the man pages for umask, mount, fstab and this Quick and Dirty 
Guide to Linux File Permissions: 
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/answers.php?action=viewarticle&artid=20

This is what I use in /etc/fstab:
Code:

/dev/sda1 /mnt/flash vfat users,umask=1000,rw,noauto 0 0

-----------------------
hope that helps!

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
 X-Request-PGP: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-pcartwright/key.asc


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 12:07:32 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:07:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
Message-ID: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>

All,

We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.

So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
moved to CBeyond.

>From here (via CBeyond):
HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.

FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.

POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.

As a test I just did:
time telnet dmares.com 25
quit

It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.

The same command going to port 21 took 2 min 30 sec to complete.

port 109 is not even connecting prior to the timeout.


Can someone confirm it is more responsive via other ISPs.

Also anybody have any idea how I would try to get this resolved with
CBeyond?  I have a hard time thinking they are throttling traffic to
this little used domain, but maybe the whole class C?  I'm really
perplexed that it is so non-responsive.

Thanks
Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 12:11:30 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:11:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611020911n38623793ga3eb8166ea514987@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

I forgot to explicitly say that the sata controller does have to have
SATA II support.  Alternatively it may say it supports 150 & 300
MB/sec sata bus.

300 is the SATA II speed.  And AIUI SATA II is a marketing phrase.
There is only one spec I think, but the spec allows for 150 MB/sec
transfers and 300 MB/sec transfers.  Early controllers and drives only
supported the 150 MB/sec speed.

Greg

On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> good to hear. I'll get one and also to find/buy an enclosure which supports
> it.
>
>
> On 11/2/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com > wrote:
> >
> > On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II Hard
> > > Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?
> >
> > I don't think that requires specific OS level support beyond SATA.
> >
> > The perpendicular part is all self-contained in the drive, and SATA II
> > AFAIK is just a faster version of SATA, so that is handled in the
> > controller hardware/firmware.
> >
> > There may be some small issues in hdparm etc. with reporting the
> > speed/interface correctly, but that should not impact general use of
> > that class drive.
> >
> > Greg
> > --
> > Greg Freemyer
> > The Norcross Group
> > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Thu Nov  2 12:11:44 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:11:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200611021211.46668.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Thu November 2 2006 12:07 pm, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> As a test I just did:
> time telnet dmares.com 25
> quit

well, I tried it from my PC to dmares.com and it never connected, I 
also tried mail.dmares.com.
I did connect to bellsouth ( my ISP ) in about 4 seconds:

>  time telnet mail.bellsouth.net 25
Trying 205.152.59.17...
Connected to mail.bellsouth.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ESMTP server ready Thu, 2 Nov 2006 
12:15:59 -0500
quit
221 ibm70aec.bellsouth.net ESMTP server closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.

real    0m9.904s
user    0m0.016s
sys     0m0.000s


-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 12:27:27 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 12:27:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 12:07 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
> 
> We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
> 
> So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
> HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
> and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
> moved to CBeyond.
> 
> >From here (via CBeyond):
> HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
> 
> FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
> 
> POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
> 
> As a test I just did:
> time telnet dmares.com 25
> quit
> 
> It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.

>From Comcast in ATL:

root at blue:~# time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
Trying 209.150.157.211...
Connected to mail.dmares.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:25:24 -0600
quit
221 2.0.0 plus42.host4u.net closing connection
Connection closed by foreign host.

real    0m14.417s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.008s


-Jim P.





From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Thu Nov  2 12:26:18 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:26:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] SUSE 10.1-to-Kubuntu Edgy
Message-ID: <200611021226.20861.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

ok,
my 5 year-old DELL desktop is starting to lock up... ( I know, there is 
a recent thread about this:)

SO, I installed Kubuntu Edgy on my spare server. what I want to do is 
copy my /home/user to the new server. I did create a separate /home 
partition on the new box, and I have a separate /home on this box. One 
thing I noticed is mail isn't the same. On my SUSE box it 
is /home/user/Mail
on Kubuntu it is /home/user/.kde/share/apps/kmail/mail

any other GOTCHAs I should be looking for?
best way to do this?
I tried to rcp some files and it said permission denied. I did setup 
hosts.equiv and .rhosts, but I can't find ssh in the services.
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From dad at datix.us  Thu Nov  2 12:37:56 2006
From: dad at datix.us (David A. De Graaf)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:37:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061102173756.GE3625@datium.datix.lan>

On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:07:32PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
> 
> We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
> 
> So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
> HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
> and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
> moved to CBeyond.
> 
> >From here (via CBeyond):
> HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
> 
> FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
> 
> POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
> 
> As a test I just did:
> time telnet dmares.com 25
> quit
> 
> It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.
> 


Here's a test from mediacom in Hendersonville, NC

$ time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
Trying 209.150.157.211...
Connected to mail.dmares.com (209.150.157.211).
Escape character is '^]'.
220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:35:41 -0600
^]
telnet> q
Connection closed.

real    0m3.638s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.004s


Seems to work perfectly from here.


-- 
	David A. De Graaf    DATIX, Inc.    Hendersonville, NC
	dad at datix.us         www.datix.us


From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 12:47:34 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 12:47:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020911n38623793ga3eb8166ea514987@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611020911n38623793ga3eb8166ea514987@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611020947u2c5e8c34v2e4f76587d2de543@mail.gmail.com>

the servers I have don't have SATA ports exposed, so, I guess I'll buy a
(SATA->USB2) enclosure. Something like  AE5SACSU2 by Addonics costs ~$60
online.

On 11/2/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jerry,
>
> I forgot to explicitly say that the sata controller does have to have
> SATA II support.  Alternatively it may say it supports 150 & 300
> MB/sec sata bus.
>
> 300 is the SATA II speed.  And AIUI SATA II is a marketing phrase.
> There is only one spec I think, but the spec allows for 150 MB/sec
> transfers and 300 MB/sec transfers.  Early controllers and drives only
> supported the 150 MB/sec speed.
>
> Greg
>
> On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > good to hear. I'll get one and also to find/buy an enclosure which
> supports
> > it.
> >
> >
> > On 11/2/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II
> Hard
> > > > Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?
> > >
> > > I don't think that requires specific OS level support beyond SATA.
> > >
> > > The perpendicular part is all self-contained in the drive, and SATA II
> > > AFAIK is just a faster version of SATA, so that is handled in the
> > > controller hardware/firmware.
> > >
> > > There may be some small issues in hdparm etc. with reporting the
> > > speed/interface correctly, but that should not impact general use of
> > > that class drive.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Thu Nov  2 13:04:30 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:04:30 +0000
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <20061102173756.GE3625@datium.datix.lan>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061102173756.GE3625@datium.datix.lan>
Message-ID: <1162490670.12186.372.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

And from speakeasy in Atlants:

time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
Trying 209.150.157.211...
telnet: connect to address 209.150.157.211: Connection refused
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

real    0m0.461s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.004s


On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 12:37 -0500, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:07:32PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > All,
> > 
> > We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
> > 
> > So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
> > HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
> > and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
> > moved to CBeyond.
> > 
> > >From here (via CBeyond):
> > HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
> > 
> > FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
> > 
> > POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
> > 
> > As a test I just did:
> > time telnet dmares.com 25
> > quit
> > 
> > It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.
> > 
> 
> 
> Here's a test from mediacom in Hendersonville, NC
> 
> $ time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> Trying 209.150.157.211...
> Connected to mail.dmares.com (209.150.157.211).
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:35:41 -0600
> ^]
> telnet> q
> Connection closed.
> 
> real    0m3.638s
> user    0m0.000s
> sys     0m0.004s
> 
> 
> Seems to work perfectly from here.
> 
> 
-- 
James P. Kinney III          
CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
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From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  2 13:15:59 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Calvin Harrigan)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:15:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>

Charles Shapiro wrote:
> Hmm. Welp, a couple nights ago I tried running memtest86+ on it (after
> several failed boot attempts) and it looked good for the 30 minutes or
> so I had to run it. Looked like a full run would take 2 hours or more. 
>
> Last night, I was actually home long enough to try again. This time I
> had no failed boots, but memtest86+ failed consistently.
>
> So my current operating plan is to go to MicroSeconds Saturday and buy
> another stick of memory, a power supply, and a Socket A motherboard.
> Then I'll easter-egg 'em in starting with the memory until I'm
> convinced I've  found the trouble.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On 10/30/06, *Charles Shapiro* <hooterpincher at gmail.com
> <mailto:hooterpincher at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     My main box at home is having Serious Troubles.  On startup it
>     often will hang (no screen output) with the CD light lit steady
>     until I press & hold the "off" switch to retry. Other behaviors
>     include appearing to start up and then emitting random beeps
>     through the speaker with no screen output, or giving random core
>     dumps on various scripts in /etc/init.d.  I've also experienced 
>     spontaneous reboots and random hangs/program failures in X
>     windows.  The "memory speed" number given in the initial startup
>     screen sometimes changes from boot-up to boot-up as well.  The
>     system is a home-brew about 4 years old and lightly used; leadtek
>     WinFast K-series MB, athlon chip, cheap simple video card, single
>     512 MB DRAM stick. Processor temperatures appear to be within
>     acceptable ranges, at least according to the "syshealth" part of
>     the BIOS. I've enabled the full memory test in the POST, but so
>     far that hasn't picked up any problems.
>
>     I'm thinking that the problem is either memory or motherboard.
>     I've removed, air-blasted, and re-seated the memory stick in a new
>     slot without change in behavior. At  this point I'm considering
>     getting some new memory and, if that doesn't change the behavior,
>     replacing the motherboard. 
>
>     Does this seem reasonable? The clock appears steady, so I'm
>     assuming the BIOS battery is OK, but perhaps that's a factor?
>
>     -- CHS
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
Seems like an expensive route.  Why not just start with the memory?

Calvin...


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 13:21:44 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:21:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>
	<454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611021021v5133f5b9q55bd1aa3dd3efecd@mail.gmail.com>

I figure I'll return the stuff I don't install.

-- CHS

On 11/2/06, Calvin Harrigan <charriglists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Charles Shapiro wrote:
> > Hmm. Welp, a couple nights ago I tried running memtest86+ on it (after
> > several failed boot attempts) and it looked good for the 30 minutes or
> > so I had to run it. Looked like a full run would take 2 hours or more.
> >
> > Last night, I was actually home long enough to try again. This time I
> > had no failed boots, but memtest86+ failed consistently.
> >
> > So my current operating plan is to go to MicroSeconds Saturday and buy
> > another stick of memory, a power supply, and a Socket A motherboard.
> > Then I'll easter-egg 'em in starting with the memory until I'm
> > convinced I've  found the trouble.
> >
> > -- CHS
> >
> >
> > On 10/30/06, *Charles Shapiro* <hooterpincher at gmail.com
> > <mailto:hooterpincher at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     My main box at home is having Serious Troubles.  On startup it
> >     often will hang (no screen output) with the CD light lit steady
> >     until I press & hold the "off" switch to retry. Other behaviors
> >     include appearing to start up and then emitting random beeps
> >     through the speaker with no screen output, or giving random core
> >     dumps on various scripts in /etc/init.d.  I've also experienced
> >     spontaneous reboots and random hangs/program failures in X
> >     windows.  The "memory speed" number given in the initial startup
> >     screen sometimes changes from boot-up to boot-up as well.  The
> >     system is a home-brew about 4 years old and lightly used; leadtek
> >     WinFast K-series MB, athlon chip, cheap simple video card, single
> >     512 MB DRAM stick. Processor temperatures appear to be within
> >     acceptable ranges, at least according to the "syshealth" part of
> >     the BIOS. I've enabled the full memory test in the POST, but so
> >     far that hasn't picked up any problems.
> >
> >     I'm thinking that the problem is either memory or motherboard.
> >     I've removed, air-blasted, and re-seated the memory stick in a new
> >     slot without change in behavior. At  this point I'm considering
> >     getting some new memory and, if that doesn't change the behavior,
> >     replacing the motherboard.
> >
> >     Does this seem reasonable? The clock appears steady, so I'm
> >     assuming the BIOS battery is OK, but perhaps that's a factor?
> >
> >     -- CHS
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> Seems like an expensive route.  Why not just start with the memory?
>
> Calvin...
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Thu Nov  2 13:27:55 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:27:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] CF card permissions in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200611021120.42451.dale@wa4dsy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611021322150.25288-100000@otter.localdomain>

Dale -

I'm not running *ubuntu, but in case the issue is default permissions in
udev, I attach a solution I got from another ALEer. I just dug it out
again to remind me when I hit the same problem with /dev/ttyS* in
SuSE-10.1.

HTH.

 - Mills

On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Dale Heatherington wrote:

> 
> I've changed my OS from Suse 9.2 to Kubuntu 6.06.  When I insert a CF card it 
> automounts and the permissions on all the files defaults to 700 .  With Suse 
> it was 755.  
> 
> I'd like to change the default file permissions for USB flash drives.  
> However, these automount and are not in /etc/fstab .   The drives appear 
> in /media/sda1.  I assume there is a config file somewhere that sets the 
> permissions.  Does anyone know how to change them?

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005, Jason Day wrote:
> 
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:32:47 -0500
> From: Jason Day <jasonday at worldnet.att.net>
> Reply-To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Q: How do I make permissions on /dev/* 'sticky'?
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 09:09:06AM -0500, Mills, John M. wrote:
> > I notice that access permissions of '/dev/*' devices are reset to
> > defaults when my systems reboot, losing access for ordinary users where
> > I may have set it manually (i.e., /dev/ttyS* for 'minicom', etc). I
> > conjecture this is an effect ("feature"?) of the '/dev' filesystem since
> > such permission changes used to be persistent, but that's only a guess.
> 
> Assuming you're using a somewhat recent distribution and 2.6 kernel,
> it's udev that's the culprit here.  Udev uses a series of rules files to
> control how the device nodes are created.  The default rules are in
> /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules, but you should not edit this file
> directly, since an update to udev would wipe out your changes.  Instead,
> create a new rules file in /etc/udev/rules.d named 10-local.rules and
> customize that one.
> 
> > Q1: How can I define these permissions so they receive my new settings
> > on reboot, instead of the system defaults?
> 
> To fix the perms on the ttyS* device, for example, look for the rule in
> 50-udev.rules, copy it to 10-local.rules, and modify the permissions.
> 
> For example, the ttyS line in my 50-udev.rules looks like this:
> 
> # tty devices
> KERNEL=="ttyS[0-9]*",   NAME="tts/%n", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="tty"
> 
> So, if I wanted ttyS* to have permissions 0666, I would add the
> following line to my 10-local.rules file:
> 
> KERNEL=="ttyS[0-9]*",   NAME="tts/%n", SYMLINK+="%k", GROUP="tty",
> MODE="0666"
> 
> Note that that should be one line.
> 
> > Q2: How can I add new devices to those created on reboot? I could add
> > 'mknod' lines to rc.local, or similar, but is there a less "clunky" way
> > to do it?
> 
> Just add a rule for them :)
> 
> Here is a good primer for udev rules:
> 
> http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
> 
> HTH,
> Jason
> -- 
> Jason Day                                       jasonday at
> http://jasonday.home.att.net                    worldnet dot att dot net
>  
> "Of course I'm paranoid, everyone is trying to kill me."
>     -- Weyoun-6, Star Trek: Deep Space 9
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
>     [ Note: This message contains email list management information ]
> 




From jlightner at water.com  Thu Nov  2 13:27:10 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 13:27:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E2@EXVS01.dsw.net>

It refused connection but did it quickly.  :p

Did same thing here at my job.  We're on AT&T.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
David A. De Graaf
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 12:38 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Internet connectivity question

On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 12:07:32PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
> 
> We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
> 
> So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
> HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
> and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
> moved to CBeyond.
> 
> >From here (via CBeyond):
> HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
> 
> FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
> 
> POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
> 
> As a test I just did:
> time telnet dmares.com 25
> quit
> 
> It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.
> 


Here's a test from mediacom in Hendersonville, NC

$ time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
Trying 209.150.157.211...
Connected to mail.dmares.com (209.150.157.211).
Escape character is '^]'.
220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:35:41 -0600
^]
telnet> q
Connection closed.

real    0m3.638s
user    0m0.000s
sys     0m0.004s


Seems to work perfectly from here.


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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  2 14:05:18 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:05:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E2@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E2@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <1162494318.18564.8.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:27 -0500, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> It refused connection but did it quickly.  :p
> 
> Did same thing here at my job.  We're on AT&T.

Port blocking by *your* ISP?

-Jim P.





From scc4fun at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 14:40:36 2006
From: scc4fun at gmail.com (S C C)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:40:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <1162494318.18564.8.camel@localhost>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E2@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<1162494318.18564.8.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <ef3819d0611021140o47409876oefa43ae278701e24@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/2/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 13:27 -0500, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> > It refused connection but did it quickly.  :p
> >
> > Did same thing here at my job.  We're on AT&T.
>
> Port blocking by *your* ISP?
>
> -Jim P.
>

I am able connect to the page (dmares.com) just fine from work.

SCC

-- 
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mohandas Gandhi


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 14:58:48 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 14:58:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611021158g61ffca43odf3890adb9042a41@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone, looks like our connection is indeed the problem.

Very strange.

On 11/2/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
>
> So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
> HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
> and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
> moved to CBeyond.
>
> From here (via CBeyond):
> HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
>
> FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
>
> POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
>
> As a test I just did:
> time telnet dmares.com 25
> quit
>
> It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.
>
> The same command going to port 21 took 2 min 30 sec to complete.
>
> port 109 is not even connecting prior to the timeout.
>
>
> Can someone confirm it is more responsive via other ISPs.
>
> Also anybody have any idea how I would try to get this resolved with
> CBeyond?  I have a hard time thinking they are throttling traffic to
> this little used domain, but maybe the whole class C?  I'm really
> perplexed that it is so non-responsive.
>
> Thanks
> Greg
> --
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  2 15:10:35 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:10:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
Message-ID: <454A50BB.70803@bellsouth.net>


I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got 
from the Wall Street Journal.

"Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
Through Partnership With Novell
By ROBERT A. GUTH
November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
[nowides]

Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc. 
that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the 
software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the 
companies."

There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what 
MS and Novell are up to.

Dan


From jlightner at water.com  Thu Nov  2 15:13:45 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:13:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>

The day MS "helps" a rival is the day to sell that rival's stock.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Dan
To: ale at ale.org
Lambert
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:11 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today


I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got 
from the Wall Street Journal.

"Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
Through Partnership With Novell
By ROBERT A. GUTH
November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
[nowides]

Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.

that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the 
software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the

companies."

There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what 
MS and Novell are up to.

Dan
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From gwosbahamut at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 15:16:18 2006
From: gwosbahamut at gmail.com (KingBahamut)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:16:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <454A50BB.70803@bellsouth.net>
References: <454A50BB.70803@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <ea7907f10611021216v2a1e94b5t28b23489baa877ba@mail.gmail.com>

Novell - 2 billion to buy (rough estimate).
Microsoft - Thinks about partnership.

Redhat - 3.1 billion to buy (rough estimate)
Oracle - thinks about it.

Hmmmmm, corellation?


On 11/2/06, Dan Lambert <danlambert at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got
> from the Wall Street Journal.
>
> "Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
> Through Partnership With Novell
> By ROBERT A. GUTH
> November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
> [nowides]
>
> Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
> that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the
> software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the
> companies."
>
> There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what
> MS and Novell are up to.
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



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From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov  2 15:18:21 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:18:21 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>

Hmmmm...

The thought HAD crossed my mind. I don't trust Gates and Crowd as far as 
I can throw their headquarters building.

Dan

Jeff Lightner wrote:
> The day MS "helps" a rival is the day to sell that rival's stock.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Dan
> Lambert
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:11 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
> 
> 
> I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got 
> from the Wall Street Journal.
> 
> "Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
> Through Partnership With Novell
> By ROBERT A. GUTH
> November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
> [nowides]
> 
> Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
> 
> that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the 
> software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the
> 
> companies."
> 
> There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what 
> MS and Novell are up to.
> 
> Dan


From jlightner at water.com  Thu Nov  2 15:47:22 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:47:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E5@EXVS01.dsw.net>

I don't believe Oracle is thinking about it any more - they chose to
issue their own Linux based on RH (FC) open source.

 

________________________________

From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
KingBahamut
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:16 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today

 

Novell - 2 billion to buy (rough estimate).
Microsoft - Thinks about partnership. 

Redhat - 3.1 billion to buy (rough estimate)
Oracle - thinks about it. 

Hmmmmm, corellation? 



On 11/2/06, Dan Lambert <danlambert at bellsouth.net> wrote:


I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got
from the Wall Street Journal.

"Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
Through Partnership With Novell
By ROBERT A. GUTH
November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
[nowides]

Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the
software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the

companies."

There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what
MS and Novell are up to.

Dan
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From gwosbahamut at gmail.com  Thu Nov  2 15:50:16 2006
From: gwosbahamut at gmail.com (KingBahamut)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 15:50:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E5@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E5@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <ea7907f10611021250k3f2708c8x92cae42e40264324@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff im sure that it will likely turn into a deal of "If red hat gets cheap
enough, well buy it" sorta deal.


On 11/2/06, Jeff Lightner <jlightner at water.com> wrote:
>
>  I don't believe Oracle is thinking about it any more ? they chose to
> issue their own Linux based on RH (FC) open source.
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] *On Behalf Of *
> KingBahamut
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:16 PM
> *To:* Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> *Subject:* Re: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
>
>
>
> Novell - 2 billion to buy (rough estimate).
> Microsoft - Thinks about partnership.
>
> Redhat - 3.1 billion to buy (rough estimate)
> Oracle - thinks about it.
>
> Hmmmmm, corellation?
>
>  On 11/2/06, *Dan Lambert* <danlambert at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got
> from the Wall Street Journal.
>
> "Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
> Through Partnership With Novell
> By ROBERT A. GUTH
> November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
> [nowides]
>
> Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
> that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the
> software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the
> companies."
>
> There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what
> MS and Novell are up to.
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
>
>
> --
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> "I could tell you the probability, but you wouldnt like it."
>
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From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Thu Nov  2 16:27:27 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:27:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] recommendations on external USB drive for Linux, pls
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611010402h30203741l8338d9e0205bf8c1@mail.gmail.com> <	>
	<20061101133851.247184d5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org> <	>
	<87f94c370611011242r7902db9dib6e01aaeef7db579@mail.gmail.com> <	>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020530l32caf790n21efbefb3cff2b42@mail.gmail.com> <	>
	<87f94c370611020655v4a026ee4i9d91d77a593b93e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611020700o20bbe8fv719e6a84bd2854f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f306015613b9aca0098b6f1fd.306022ec@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

>On 11/2/06, Jerry Yu <[ mailto:jjj863 at gmail.com ]jjj863 at gmail.com > wrote:
>> interesting. what kind of support in the kernel and os for "SATA II Hard
>> Drive with perpendicular recording technology" ?

I've got a couple of the Seagate Barracuda 7200.10's in a backup server. Big,
fast, and cheap- 320GB, 4ms latency and 16mb cache, $95 on Newegg. No problems
on CentOS 4.3 other the hdparm/libata incompatibility.

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From lutherfire at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 00:10:35 2006
From: lutherfire at yahoo.com (Luther)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 21:10:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ale] Time change (was: Re:  Thunderbird vs Evolution)
In-Reply-To: <1162484754.13975.38.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20061103051035.59052.qmail@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I just noticed that my Evolution calendar items (scheduled
> meetings,
> conf calls) are 1 hour off now that day-light savings is over. 
> Standard
> Ubuntu Dapper install with Evolution v2.6.1.   Crazy.

A few days ago, I was using the emacs calendar mode to check sunrise
and sunset times. It appeared to be using DST until exactly one week
after the real time change. I thought this was a very strange bug.

Less than an hour later, I was reading the news and found out that
congress had actually extended DST, starting next year. (So it will
go from the 2nd Sunday in March to the 1st Sunday in November.) Emacs
does not keep track of historical time-change rules, so the version
I'm using (21.4.1) must have been updated to use the new rules.

Perhaps you're having a related problem with Evolution?

Luther Thompson


 
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From deritchie at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  3 01:05:55 2006
From: deritchie at earthlink.net (deritchie at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 01:05:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ale] Bad capacitors in computer motherboards
Message-ID: <11946455.1162533955941.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


Michael,
   sorry about the delay in getting back with you. 

   Capacitor failures are typically indicated by a split on the aluminum lid on the top
of the capacitor, which often is accompanied by leakage of the electrolyte. There was a problem
with certain brands of Taiwanese capacitors, due to a bogus formula for the composition of 
the electrolyte stolen from another maker. If you have leakage, you also need to clean up the 
residue off of the motherboard, as evidently it is fairly corrosive. See 

   http://www.asti-usa.com/support/appnotes/65.html
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
   http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_30328/article.html
   http://www.badcaps.net
   http://www.vp6-board.com/caps1.htm

and a host of others...

as good resources for further information and repair strategies. 

    BTW, this problem can occur with all electronics with electrolytic capacitors (i.e. EVERYTHING).
If you electronically inclined, the ESR meter is the proper tool to diagnose this problem. There
are kits available for fairly simple testers. Dick Smith Electronics of Austraila (http://www.dse.com.au)
has a analyzer kit for A$80 that should work well for most PC motherboard repair.. On the other
hand, just replacing everything is a reasonable strategy also... the problem occured most often on 
the higher uF capacity parts, BTW. 

Best regards,
Dave Ritchie 
-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Smith <msmith at mikeandmel.com>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2006 12:49 PM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Cc: deritchie at earthlink.net, Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Subject: Re: [ale] Bad capacitors in computer motherboards
>
>What are the signs of a faulty capacitor? 
>



From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Fri Nov  3 07:06:43 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:06:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Time change (was: Re:  Thunderbird vs Evolution)
In-Reply-To: <20061103051035.59052.qmail@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20061103051035.59052.qmail@web35210.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200611030706.44655.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

On Fri November 3 2006 12:10 am, Luther wrote:
> Less than an hour later, I was reading the news and found out that
> congress had actually extended DST, starting next year. (So it will
> go from the 2nd Sunday in March to the 1st Sunday in November.)
> Emacs does not keep track of historical time-change rules, so the
> version I'm using (21.4.1) must have been updated to use the new
> rules.
>
> Perhaps you're having a related problem with Evolution?

I had that problem with my cell phone! I'll bet thats why.

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Fri Nov  3 10:35:27 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:35:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
Message-ID: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>



  I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
minutes.

  I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.

Robert


:wq!
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From gwosbahamut at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 10:39:18 2006
From: gwosbahamut at gmail.com (KingBahamut)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 10:39:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <ea7907f10611030739u4ef7712cod9baea1d1c69bd07@mail.gmail.com>

http://system76.com  Nothing but good from them thus far.



On 11/3/06, Robert L. Harris <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox,
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10
> minutes.
>
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>
> Robert
>
>
> :wq!
>
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From hbbs at comcast.net  Fri Nov  3 10:51:03 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 10:51:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <454B6567.6040004@comcast.net>

Gee - what's messed up with your existing laptop, kernel, and/or
distro?  You shouldn't be having an issue.

- Jeff

Robert L. Harris wrote:
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> minutes.
>
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>
> Robert
>
>
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert L. Harris                     | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B
>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
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From jknapka at kneuro.net  Fri Nov  3 10:57:59 2006
From: jknapka at kneuro.net (JK)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:57:59 -0700
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>

Robert L. Harris wrote:

> 
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> minutes.
> 
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.

You probably already know this, but RAM size is IMO
the single biggest factor in perceived performance for
desktop use.  When I buy my next laptop, I'm not settling
for less than 2G of RAM; preferably 4G.

Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.

-- JK



From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 11:02:48 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:02:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611030802n5f091227i328714227efbfb1f@mail.gmail.com>

I likes the Lenovo stuff so far, and my Cow-Orker who used to work for
Emporer Linux says they're
simple to install onto. At his recomendation I bought an R50e, put kubuntu
on it, and had minimal troubles getting the hardware to workee.  I believe
their current models are "R60"s .

But beware that I spend little time on my laptop -- mainly when I'm out of
town.

-- CHS


On 11/3/06, Robert L. Harris <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox,
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10
> minutes.
>
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>
> Robert
>
>
> :wq!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
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From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Fri Nov  3 11:02:13 2006
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:02:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <454B21B5.91C2.0075.0@eastcobbgroup.com>

With those hardware specs, you shouldn't be having that kind of an issue.
With the exception of RAM, it's way overkill for running three little apps.
And really, unless you're running several VMs, 512MB ought to be plenty.

There's got to be something else going on.

As far as specs go.  I tried a couple of turion notebooks recently, and I had problems with the disk drivers after the install wen doing the initial boot into the 64-bit load.  The install worked to that point, I believe, because it uses 32-bit code.

This was on a Compaq and two different HP models (their super media models, I don't remember the no.s)

The core 2 duo on my Sony Vaio and a clients Dell is very quick.

-jt



James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> 11/03/06 10:35 AM >>> 


  I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
minutes.

  I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.

Robert


:wq!
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DISCLAIMER:
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From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Fri Nov  3 11:03:45 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:03:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net> <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
Message-ID: <20061103160345.GE15865@rdlg.net>



That may be the cheapest way to go.  I'll try that first, if not try
system 76.




Thus spake JK (jknapka at kneuro.net):

> Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> > 
> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> > minutes.
> > 
> >   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> > suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> > Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> 
> You probably already know this, but RAM size is IMO
> the single biggest factor in perceived performance for
> desktop use.  When I buy my next laptop, I'm not settling
> for less than 2G of RAM; preferably 4G.
> 
> Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
> it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.
> 
> -- JK
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
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From hbbs at comcast.net  Fri Nov  3 11:09:42 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:09:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net> <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
Message-ID: <454B69C6.70106@comcast.net>

But in no way should a "mere" 512 MB RAM be the source of his problem. 
Before a need to run an app with a 26GB disk footprint forced a max-out
to 1-1/4 GB RAM from 512 MB, I could *pound* my laptop with KDE, OO,
PostgreSQL, many windows' worth of Firefox, Thunderbird, Amarok, and
develop Python code all at the same time with no issues at all. 

JK wrote:
> Robert L. Harris wrote:
>
>   
>>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
>> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
>> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
>> minutes.
>>
>>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
>> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
>> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>>     
>
> You probably already know this, but RAM size is IMO
> the single biggest factor in perceived performance for
> desktop use.  When I buy my next laptop, I'm not settling
> for less than 2G of RAM; preferably 4G.
>
> Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
> it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.
>
> -- JK
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From mattkubilus at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 11:13:32 2006
From: mattkubilus at gmail.com (Matt Kubilus)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:13:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <454B21B5.91C2.0075.0@eastcobbgroup.com>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
	<454B21B5.91C2.0075.0@eastcobbgroup.com>
Message-ID: <fccc61560611030813k76d9d9edv53111714cd56feb1@mail.gmail.com>

I've got an Acer with a core Duo running Ubuntu.  I've got virtualy
every feature of the laptop: Sound, accelerated 3d, hibernate, cpu
scaling, wireless working without too much trouble.  Never bothered
with the camera since I have no real use for it.

Couldn't get Fedora to run worth a damn on it, go figure.

Dual core is nice since you can better multitask.  The Core Duos are
known for running on the warm side though.  The Acer is a pretty well
build laptop for the price, I would buy it again.

-Matt

On 11/3/06, James Taylor <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
> With those hardware specs, you shouldn't be having that kind of an issue.
> With the exception of RAM, it's way overkill for running three little apps.
> And really, unless you're running several VMs, 512MB ought to be plenty.
>
> There's got to be something else going on.
>
> As far as specs go.  I tried a couple of turion notebooks recently, and I had problems with the disk drivers after the install wen doing the initial boot into the 64-bit load.  The install worked to that point, I believe, because it uses 32-bit code.
>
> This was on a Compaq and two different HP models (their super media models, I don't remember the no.s)
>
> The core 2 duo on my Sony Vaio and a clients Dell is very quick.
>
> -jt
>
>
>
> James Taylor
> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
> 678-697-9420
> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> 11/03/06 10:35 AM >>>
>
>
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox,
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10
> minutes.
>
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>
> Robert
>
>
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert L. Harris                     | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B
>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
>        ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
>        no-one else.                       - Manowar
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>
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From allanneal at comcast.net  Fri Nov  3 11:22:57 2006
From: allanneal at comcast.net (Allan Neal)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:22:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <ea7907f10611030739u4ef7712cod9baea1d1c69bd07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
	<ea7907f10611030739u4ef7712cod9baea1d1c69bd07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061103162257.GA27125@tashina.allannealfam.org>

anyone have any experience with tuxedopc.com?

I'm looking at these as they come dual boot with XP Pro and Ubuntu.

Allan

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 10:39:18AM -0500, KingBahamut wrote:
> http://system76.com  Nothing but good from them thus far.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/3/06, Robert L. Harris < Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>       I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
>     N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox,
>     Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10
>     minutes.
> 
>       I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
>     suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
>     Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> 
>     Robert
> 
> 
>     :wq!
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From gwosbahamut at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 11:26:36 2006
From: gwosbahamut at gmail.com (KingBahamut)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:26:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103162257.GA27125@tashina.allannealfam.org>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
	<ea7907f10611030739u4ef7712cod9baea1d1c69bd07@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061103162257.GA27125@tashina.allannealfam.org>
Message-ID: <ea7907f10611030826q798c7086m3bc0b0adde9bf9d9@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, yes.

Shhhh, dont tell anyone.


On 11/3/06, Allan Neal <allanneal at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> anyone have any experience with tuxedopc.com?
>
> I'm looking at these as they come dual boot with XP Pro and Ubuntu.
>
> Allan
>
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 10:39:18AM -0500, KingBahamut wrote:
> > http://system76.com  Nothing but good from them thus far.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/06, Robert L. Harris < Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >       I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo
> (IBM) 3000
> >     N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open
> Firefox,
> >     Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt
> for 10
> >     minutes.
> >
> >       I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> >     suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> >     Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> >
> >     Robert
> >
> >
> >     :wq!
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >                                              @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> >     DISCLAIMER:
> >           These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
> >            ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
> >            no-one else.                       - Manowar
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From jlightner at water.com  Fri Nov  3 11:26:42 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:26:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5EB@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Agreed he shouldn't be having problems with his config.  Something isn't
right.  Might want to make sure he has SMP kernel running but even at a
single core one would think it should work.

512 MB without swap might be an issue though. 

Also we don't know the size or complexity of the spreadsheet.  Back in
my accounting days I created some fairly huge ones that would tax the
box quite heavily due to all the formulas and conditionals I'd created.
Adding multiple sheets to a work book and automatic queries could make
it hammer memory quite a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Matt
To: ale at ale.org
Kubilus
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:14 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Laptops and Linux

I've got an Acer with a core Duo running Ubuntu.  I've got virtualy
every feature of the laptop: Sound, accelerated 3d, hibernate, cpu
scaling, wireless working without too much trouble.  Never bothered
with the camera since I have no real use for it.

Couldn't get Fedora to run worth a damn on it, go figure.

Dual core is nice since you can better multitask.  The Core Duos are
known for running on the warm side though.  The Acer is a pretty well
build laptop for the price, I would buy it again.

-Matt

On 11/3/06, James Taylor <James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
> With those hardware specs, you shouldn't be having that kind of an
issue.
> With the exception of RAM, it's way overkill for running three little
apps.
> And really, unless you're running several VMs, 512MB ought to be
plenty.
>
> There's got to be something else going on.
>
> As far as specs go.  I tried a couple of turion notebooks recently,
and I had problems with the disk drivers after the install wen doing the
initial boot into the 64-bit load.  The install worked to that point, I
believe, because it uses 32-bit code.
>
> This was on a Compaq and two different HP models (their super media
models, I don't remember the no.s)
>
> The core 2 duo on my Sony Vaio and a clients Dell is very quick.
>
> -jt
>
>
>
> James Taylor
> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
> 678-697-9420
> james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>> "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> 11/03/06 10:35 AM
>>>
>
>
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM)
3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open
Firefox,
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for
10
> minutes.
>
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>
> Robert
>
>
> :wq!
>
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>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
>        ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
>        no-one else.                       - Manowar
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>
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From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Fri Nov  3 11:30:15 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:30:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30622e473b9aca00860fff75.306231fd@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>ight now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
>N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
>Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
>minutes.

That's a system I would drool over. I get much better performance on hardware
generations behind that. Have you tried using the sysstat tools to determine
where the bottleneck is?

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From rsj at radio.org  Fri Nov  3 11:38:47 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 11:38:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <1162571928.23390.4.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>


I'm using an old Toshiba with an AMD 450Mhz proc with 256MB ram. I don't
have Amarok on it but I did open firefox and openoffice along with
evolution and didn't have any problems.  It is a little slow but not
like you mention.  Oh, I'm running SuSe 10.0 on it.


On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 10:35 -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> minutes.
> 
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From sergio at turbocorp.com  Fri Nov  3 13:44:47 2006
From: sergio at turbocorp.com (Sergio Chaves)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 13:44:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] CF card permissions in Kubuntu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611021322150.25288-100000@otter.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611021322150.25288-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200611031344.47336.sergio@turbocorp.com>

On rh4 I have /etc/udev/permissions.d/50-udev.permissions
I can change the permissions there.



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From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  3 15:05:16 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:05:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <454BA0FC.3020402@bellsouth.net>

Your problem, Robert, is the lack of memory on your computer. I run a 
T41 with a 1.6 GHz Pentium M that flies through just about anything I 
throw at it, but I have 1.5 gigs of RAM in it.

Put either another 512 or a 1 Gig stick of RAM in it, and you'll be off 
to the races!

Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
>   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> minutes.
> 
>   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> 
> Robert
> 



From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 15:24:29 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:24:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <454BA0FC.3020402@bellsouth.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net> <454BA0FC.3020402@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1162585469.16355.7.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 15:05 -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
> Your problem, Robert, is the lack of memory on your computer. I run a 
> T41 with a 1.6 GHz Pentium M that flies through just about anything I 
> throw at it, but I have 1.5 gigs of RAM in it.
> 
> Put either another 512 or a 1 Gig stick of RAM in it, and you'll be off 
> to the races!

I have to agree, my last laptop was a T40 with 1GB of memory and
OpenOffice ran fine.  Note: OpenOffice is the biggest CPU and memory hog
for Linux.. more so than Quake3 or UT2004 IMHO.

-Jim P.

> Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > 
> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> > minutes.
> > 
> >   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> > suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> > Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> > 
> > Robert
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com  Fri Nov  3 15:50:19 2006
From: James.Taylor at eastcobbgroup.com (James Taylor)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:50:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <1162585469.16355.7.camel@localhost>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
	<454BA0FC.3020402@bellsouth.net> <1162585469.16355.7.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <454B653B.91C2.0075.0@eastcobbgroup.com>

I regularly run OO on an old Athlon  based desktop with 512MB of ram ( 5400 rpm IDE drives) without any noticable slowness or delays.

-jt


James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
678-697-9420
james.taylor at eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com







>>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2006 at  3:24 PM, in message
<1162585469.16355.7.camel at localhost>, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 2006- 11- 03 at 15:05 - 0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
>> Your problem, Robert, is the lack of memory on your computer. I run a 
>> T41 with a 1.6 GHz Pentium M that flies through just about anything I 
>> throw at it, but I have 1.5 gigs of RAM in it.
>> 
>> Put either another 512 or a 1 Gig stick of RAM in it, and you'll be off 
>> to the races!
> 
> I have to agree, my last laptop was a T40 with 1GB of memory and
> OpenOffice ran fine.  Note: OpenOffice is the biggest CPU and memory hog
> for Linux.. more so than Quake3 or UT2004 IMHO.
> 
> - Jim P.
> 
>> Robert L. Harris wrote:
>> > 
>> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
>> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
>> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
>> > minutes.
>> > 
>> >   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
>> > suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
>> > Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
>> > 
>> > Robert
>> > 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Fri Nov  3 16:04:51 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:04:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>

ALErs -

I will be trying out 'openvpn-2.0.9' from a Linux laptop and have a 
couple of questions:

1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where is it 
appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?

2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by 
screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?

TIA for any guidance.
 - Mills



From jjj863 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 16:25:56 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:25:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611031325j70cb194fi484d123cc49e3d46@mail.gmail.com>

openVPN runs as a least-privileged user such as 'nobody', so, I'd think you
need let this 'nobody' read. other than that, as restrictive as you can be.
The certificate is guarded by a passphrase, so use a long winding one.

set up sudo, so you can start/stop openvpn at will as a regular user. Add a
command line alias "alias off='sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn stop", so you can
save a few keystrokes.
If you do want GUI on linux, there's a lot on sourceforge. In particular,
OpenVPNmanager sounds like what you requested.
http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=openvpn+gui

On 11/3/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> ALErs -
>
> I will be trying out 'openvpn-2.0.9' from a Linux laptop and have a
> couple of questions:
>
> 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where is it
> appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?
>
> 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by
> screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?
>
> TIA for any guidance.
> - Mills
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 16:27:57 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:27:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] linux old timers question (late 1990s)
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611011654x1510aeb8nb460b4c7c015e6e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611011509n3e2bdd8cud826a6420e2297de@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611011654x1510aeb8nb460b4c7c015e6e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611031327x5e3c957fla90c04f94d73c8db@mail.gmail.com>

greg, did this work? I guess this is not a lot different from poping the
drive into a generic old pc to try boot with the drive.

On 11/1/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> can you try to boot with it, using /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk under a
> working Linux box?  Not from experience, but from RTFM.
> Basically you'll need to do the following on a working Linux box:
>
>    - cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk to /boot
>    - cp the disk image to /boot (assume named oldpc.img)
>    - add a GRUB entry like something below:
>
> Title  old PC image could be a 2.0 linux
>                kernel /memdisk
>                initrd /oldie.img
>
>    - boot and select "old PC image could be a 2.0 linux"
>
>
> On 11/1/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I have an old 80 MB disk I need to figure out/review.  Appears to be
> > from the late 1990s.
> >
> > I've used dd to make a copy of it.
> >
> > It does not seem to have a traditional partition table and running
> > file against it tells me:
> >
> > dd-image: Linux/x86 Kernel, Setup Version 0x201, zImage, RO-rootFS,
> > root_dev 0xFF, Normal VGA
> >
> > Which is very close to what I get if I run file against a current
> > kernel in /boot.
> >
> > So it looks like the the first portion of this 80 MB disk is a linux
> > kernel.  Running strings against it I see:
> >
> > >>
> > 4rz6
> > C9m{
> > 8;R~
> > gP~IA~q
> > olh~
> > t0DO
> > ~c-f9
> > 4*{&j
> > ca)m
> > ]ZF*
> > sY>L
> > E]xb
> > RQSP
> > Loading
> > $HdrS
> > ZZuC
> > PQ0
> > No setup signature found ...
> > Wrong loader, giving up...
> > 2.0.29 (source at alyshia) #51 Mon Apr 7 02:49:06 PDT 1997
> > INT15 refuses to access high mem, giving up...
> > <<
> >
> > Which makes me think that this is a 2.0.29 kernel from 1997.  (I don't
> > know if those dates are consistent or not.)
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how I can find a filesystem on this image?  ie.
> > What is the offset to the start of any and all filesystems.
> >
> > I assume if I knew the offset I could do a mount -o loop  to mount it
> > and take a look around at the filesystem.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Greg
> > --
> > Greg Freemyer
> > The Norcross Group
> > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > _______________________________________________
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 16:35:02 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 16:35:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1162589702.26897.8.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 16:04 -0500, John Mills wrote:
> ALErs -
> 
> I will be trying out 'openvpn-2.0.9' from a Linux laptop and have a 
> couple of questions:
> 
> 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where is it 
> appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?

/etc/openvpn/  owned by root, with 0600 perms.

> 
> 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by 
> screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?

I use this command from a Gnome Panel launcher:

  xterm -T "OpenVPN" -e "sudo openvpn /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf"

That will open, and keep open, an xterm that I click on and hit CTRL-C
when I want to close the vpn connection.

make sure that you set /etc/sudoers (run "visudo" as root) to properly
add "openvpn" as a command for your userid like this:

   jimpop ALL= /usr/sbin/openvpn

or like this if you don't want to be bothered for your password each
time:

   jimpop ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/openvpn

hth,

-Jim P.






From jjj863 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  3 16:47:31 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 16:47:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
In-Reply-To: <1162589702.26897.8.camel@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611031558550.28159-100000@otter.localdomain>
	<1162589702.26897.8.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611031347k51b3be65ld92cbb163e00bb3b@mail.gmail.com>

glad to learn the Launcher works again. At some older release, it became
extreme hard (if impossible) to use arbitrary command strings.

On 11/3/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 16:04 -0500, John Mills wrote:
> > ALErs -
> >
> > I will be trying out 'openvpn-2.0.9' from a Linux laptop and have a
> > couple of questions:
> >
> > 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where is
> it
> > appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?
>
> /etc/openvpn/  owned by root, with 0600 perms.
>
> >
> > 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by
> > screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?
>
> I use this command from a Gnome Panel launcher:
>
>   xterm -T "OpenVPN" -e "sudo openvpn /etc/openvpn/vpn.conf"
>
> That will open, and keep open, an xterm that I click on and hit CTRL-C
> when I want to close the vpn connection.
>
> make sure that you set /etc/sudoers (run "visudo" as root) to properly
> add "openvpn" as a command for your userid like this:
>
>    jimpop ALL= /usr/sbin/openvpn
>
> or like this if you don't want to be bothered for your password each
> time:
>
>    jimpop ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/openvpn
>
> hth,
>
> -Jim P.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com  Fri Nov  3 17:35:29 2006
From: rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com (Robert Story)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net>
	<454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
Message-ID: <20061103173529.27b1d7e5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:57:59 -0700 JK wrote:
J> Robert L. Harris wrote:
J> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
J> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
J> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
J> > minutes.
J> 
J> Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
J> it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.

Seconded! You've named 3 of the biggest memory hogging applications around. I
think doubling (or better) you memory will definitely help. Starting all 3 at
once might still take a while, but things will be much smoother once they are
all up and running..


From jlightner at water.com  Fri Nov  3 17:58:01 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:58:01 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5F0@EXVS01.dsw.net>

I think by now that's actually something like twenty-seconded :)


-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Robert Story
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Cc: jknapka at kneuro.net
Subject: Re: [ale] Laptops and Linux

On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:57:59 -0700 JK wrote:
J> Robert L. Harris wrote:
J> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo
(IBM) 3000
J> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open
Firefox, 
J> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt
for 10 
J> > minutes.
J> 
J> Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
J> it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.

Seconded! You've named 3 of the biggest memory hogging applications
around. I
think doubling (or better) you memory will definitely help. Starting all
3 at
once might still take a while, but things will be much smoother once
they are
all up and running..
_______________________________________________
Ale mailing list
Ale at ale.org
http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Fri Nov  3 18:38:06 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:38:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] Hellsouth DNS changes
In-Reply-To: <31b322400611020430u326f1785qc9e796be12d463b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200610311156.32150.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<31b322400611020430u326f1785qc9e796be12d463b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200611031838.07078.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

On Thursday 02 November 2006 07:30, Pete Hardie wrote:
> On 10/31/06, David Corbin <dcorbin at machturtle.com> wrote:
> > Bellsouth (my ISP) appears to have change where there DNS servers are
> > located (IP-wise).  I run my own DNS servers for home network, that
> > forwards to Bellsouth for non-local requests.  However, after changing my
> > DNS server to forward to their new IP address, I still have their "wonky
> > behavior" of getting all my web-requests redirect.
> >
> > Any suggestions on how ot fix this welcome.
>
> They did send out a notice of this change - although I only got the
> "second notice" message.  However, I cannot speak to its effect on
> other DNS servers, as I don't run any internally.

Well, I got past it fairly quickly.  I think the remaining problem was one of 
browser caching. I never saw a message from them.  Guess I'll have to go back 
and double-check.

David


From puck at dp-indexing.com  Fri Nov  3 18:50:40 2006
From: puck at dp-indexing.com (Jack Schneider)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:50:40 -0600
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>

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Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-11-02 at 12:07 -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> We just moved our Internet connection to a T-1 from CBeyond last week.
>>
>> So far it has been a good experience, but one of our people has a
>> HTTP/FTP/SMTP/POP site he uses (dmares.com).  He tells me it is fast
>> and responsive from his house but it has unusable from here since we
>> moved to CBeyond.
>>
>> >From here (via CBeyond):
>> HTTP (port 80) access seems to be fine.
>>
>> FTP (port 21) and SMTP (port 25) are very slow.
>>
>> POP (port 109) seems to be non-functional.
>>
>> As a test I just did:
>> time telnet dmares.com 25
>> quit
>>
>> It took 1 min 25 seconds to complete, but it did complete.
> 
>>From Comcast in ATL:
> 
> root at blue:~# time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> Trying 209.150.157.211...
> Connected to mail.dmares.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Thu, 2 Nov 2006 11:25:24 -0600
> quit
> 221 2.0.0 plus42.host4u.net closing connection
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> real    0m14.417s
> user    0m0.000s
> sys     0m0.008s
> 
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
Just a test.
time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
Trying 209.150.157.211...
Connected to mail.dmares.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:38 -0600
Connection closed by foreign host.

real    7m50.918s
user    0m0.020s
sys     0m0.004s

After a 90,000 mile trip..
tn -->Satellite --> NY-->ALE+

8-)

Jack
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  3 20:33:54 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 20:33:54 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
Message-ID: <1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 17:50 -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > 
> Just a test.
> time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> Trying 209.150.157.211...
> Connected to mail.dmares.com.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:38 -0600
> Connection closed by foreign host.
> 
> real    7m50.918s
> user    0m0.020s
> sys     0m0.004s
> 
> After a 90,000 mile trip..
> tn -->Satellite --> NY-->ALE+
> 
> 8-)
> 
> Jack

I'm not sure if you are being facetious about the timing or humorous
about the distance, however the OP showed their timing using a
"quit" (presumably manually entered immediately after the successful
connect).

-Jim P.



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Fri Nov  3 21:14:38 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 21:14:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] Tell Apt to Ignore Unmet Dependencies
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30641f4f00249f0f30641f4f.3064244f@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Hi,
I wanted to install denhyhosts on an Ubuntu 6.06 server, but there wasn't a
package so I grabbed the one from 6.10. 

sudo dpkg -i --force all denyhosts_2.5-3_all.deb

Now apt-get refuses to complete any operation and instead complains

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  denyhosts: Depends: lsb-base (>= 3.1-10) but 3.1-5ubuntu2 is installed
             Depends: python-central (>= 0.5.6) but it is not installable

Is there any way I can tell apt to ignore dependencies for denyhosts? -f
suggests removing deyhosts and --ignore-missing does nothing.

Thanks,
Brian

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From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Fri Nov  3 21:59:42 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:59:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <1162585469.16355.7.camel@localhost>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net> <454BA0FC.3020402@bellsouth.net>
	<1162585469.16355.7.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20061104025942.GG15865@rdlg.net>



I'll see about adding another 512Meg next week and I'll report back on
responsiveness.


Thus spake Jim Popovitch (jimpop at yahoo.com):

> On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 15:05 -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
> > Your problem, Robert, is the lack of memory on your computer. I run a 
> > T41 with a 1.6 GHz Pentium M that flies through just about anything I 
> > throw at it, but I have 1.5 gigs of RAM in it.
> > 
> > Put either another 512 or a 1 Gig stick of RAM in it, and you'll be off 
> > to the races!
> 
> I have to agree, my last laptop was a T40 with 1GB of memory and
> OpenOffice ran fine.  Note: OpenOffice is the biggest CPU and memory hog
> for Linux.. more so than Quake3 or UT2004 IMHO.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> > Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > > 
> > >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> > > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> > > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> > > minutes.
> > > 
> > >   I don't want to spend 2k, but any off the top of your head
> > > suggestions?  Any opinions of an AMD Turion vs P4?  Duo or no, etc?
> > > Yes, it will need to run Linux, Debian or Ubuntu.
> > > 
> > > Robert
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 06:01:19 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 06:01:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>

greg,
Is the box, with which you tested, NATed?  Either way, if the remote can't
reverse lookup your IP, they could be some DNS delays there.

On 11/3/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 17:50 -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > Just a test.
> > time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> > Trying 209.150.157.211...
> > Connected to mail.dmares.com.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:38 -0600
> > Connection closed by foreign host.
> >
> > real    7m50.918s
> > user    0m0.020s
> > sys     0m0.004s
> >
> > After a 90,000 mile trip..
> > tn -->Satellite --> NY-->ALE+
> >
> > 8-)
> >
> > Jack
>
> I'm not sure if you are being facetious about the timing or humorous
> about the distance, however the OP showed their timing using a
> "quit" (presumably manually entered immediately after the successful
> connect).
>
> -Jim P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  4 22:20:19 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:20:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
Message-ID: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>

Any one know of a reason not to get a Linux laptop with an Intel
PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card in it?

Tia,

-Jim P.



From jdonline at gmail.com  Sat Nov  4 22:38:27 2006
From: jdonline at gmail.com (J. D.)
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 22:38:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
In-Reply-To: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <345e31be0611041938s31f6efbfwd9ac3d01488be973@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/4/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Any one know of a reason not to get a Linux laptop with an Intel
> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card in it?
>
> I believe there are kernel rev requirements on the Intel driver specified
in the readme
that accompanies it. I believe I need to update the kernel before I will be
able
to get it working on a notebook I have running Centos 4.4. I haven't tried
looking at
ndiswrapper however.

Best regards,

J. D.
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From lists at geographic.net  Sat Nov  4 22:42:05 2006
From: lists at geographic.net (C Lee Davis)
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:42:05 -0500
Subject: [ale] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
In-Reply-To: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <454D5D8D.1050802@geographic.net>

Jim Popovitch wrote:
> Any one know of a reason not to get a Linux laptop with an Intel
> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card in it?
> 
I'm running one now and it works quite well with Gentoo.

-- 
                             C. Lee Davis
Fantasy Geographic Society              http://fantasy.geographic.net/
GCB for GURPS 4e         http://fantasy.geographic.net/project/4eGURPS


From jhaygood at spsu.edu  Sun Nov  5 00:54:36 2006
From: jhaygood at spsu.edu (Justin Haygood)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 00:54:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
References: <1162696819.10629.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <788F4AC524D04FD6BEED046DEDA9C69F@PUDDLEJUMPER>

That card has worked fine with me in Gentoo and SUSE Linux.

Though, it does require a non-free firmware and binary blob to work, it uses 
an open source driver.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Popovitch" <jimpop at yahoo.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 10:20 PM
Subject: [ale] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG

> Any one know of a reason not to get a Linux laptop with an Intel
> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG card in it?
>
> Tia,
>
> -Jim P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> 


From pilarlosada at comcast.net  Sun Nov  5 14:32:52 2006
From: pilarlosada at comcast.net (andy whitten)
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:32:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] HELLO
Message-ID: <1162755172.25507.0.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>

I've just signed up for your group,and I wanted to make sure that I was
online.





From aaron at pd.org  Sun Nov  5 17:00:08 2006
From: aaron at pd.org (aaron)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:00:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] HELLO
In-Reply-To: <1162755172.25507.0.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
References: <1162755172.25507.0.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
Message-ID: <200611051700.08348.aaron@pd.org>

On Sunday 05 November 2006 14:32, andy whitten wrote:
> I've just signed up for your group,and I wanted to make sure that I was
> online.

Welcome to the ALE list, Andy, and we hope you find it helpful and 
informative.

If you are in the Atlanta area, we also have regular meetings at a couple
different locals where you can put some faces to the emails. All the meetings 
are currently  held at 7:30pm on one of the Thursday's of the month:  

 1st Thursday -->  ALE NW
   -- hosted at eDeltaCom

 2nd Thursday --> ALE Central
  -- hosted at Emory University Law School
 
3rd Thursday (but not for this Nov. and Dec.) --> ALE NE  
  --  hosted at The Weather Channel 

Addresses, directions and meeting topic notices can be found at
the ALE.org site.   

Hope to see you at a meeting some time!

peace
Aaron Ruscetta
Co-moderator, ALE Central




From ale at FultonGreen.com  Sun Nov  5 17:30:49 2006
From: ale at FultonGreen.com (Fulton Green)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 17:30:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] HELLO
In-Reply-To: <200611051700.08348.aaron@pd.org>;
	from aaron@pd.org on Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 05:00:08PM -0500
References: <1162755172.25507.0.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
	<200611051700.08348.aaron@pd.org>
Message-ID: <20061105173049.A12014@greenie.frogspace.net>

D'oh!  Switch "NW" and "NE" ...

On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 05:00:08PM -0500, aaron wrote:
>  1st Thursday -->  ALE NW
>    -- hosted at eDeltaCom
> 
>  2nd Thursday --> ALE Central
>   -- hosted at Emory University Law School
>  
> 3rd Thursday (but not for this Nov. and Dec.) --> ALE NE  
>   --  hosted at The Weather Channel 


From aaron at pd.org  Sun Nov  5 19:42:35 2006
From: aaron at pd.org (aaron)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:42:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] HELLO (oops--)
In-Reply-To: <200611051700.08348.aaron@pd.org>
References: <1162755172.25507.0.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
	<200611051700.08348.aaron@pd.org>
Message-ID: <200611051942.35905.aaron@pd.org>

Thanks Fulton -- and sorry -- dislexia is a terrible thing to share....
The meeting layout should read:

 1st Thursday -->  ALE  _NE_
   -- hosted at eDeltaCom

 2nd Thursday --> ALE Central
  -- hosted at Emory University Law School
 
3rd Thursday (but not for this Nov. and Dec.) --> ALE _NW_  
  --  hosted at The Weather Channel 


On Sunday 05 November 2006 17:00, aaron wrote:
> On Sunday 05 November 2006 14:32, andy whitten wrote:
> > I've just signed up for your group,and I wanted to make sure that I was
> > online.
> 
> Welcome to the ALE list, Andy, and we hope you find it helpful and 
> informative.
> 
> If you are in the Atlanta area, we also have regular meetings at a couple
> different locals where you can put some faces to the emails. All the 
meetings 
> are currently  held at 7:30pm on one of the Thursday's of the month:  
> 
>  1st Thursday -->  ALE NW
>    -- hosted at eDeltaCom
> 
>  2nd Thursday --> ALE Central
>   -- hosted at Emory University Law School
>  
> 3rd Thursday (but not for this Nov. and Dec.) --> ALE NE  
>   --  hosted at The Weather Channel 
> 
> Addresses, directions and meeting topic notices can be found at
> the ALE.org site.   
> 
> Hope to see you at a meeting some time!
> 
> peace
> Aaron Ruscetta
> Co-moderator, ALE Central
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> 



From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 08:45:09 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:45:09 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611021021v5133f5b9q55bd1aa3dd3efecd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>
	<454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>
	<4a89f25f0611021021v5133f5b9q55bd1aa3dd3efecd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611060545m4e519f5bm47afe53600e040d3@mail.gmail.com>

Aha. Looks like the motherboard fell victim to the Capacitor Plague (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague ) all right.
Out of about 40 electrolytic can capacitors on the board, 26 of them show
signs of bloating or have actually burst.  I pulled the motherboard and got
a new one at MicroSeconds, but it appears DOA. When I plug it up in minimal
boot configuration (processor, 1 memory stick installed, power, reset, front
lights, monitor, keyboard plugged in), and hit the power switch, I see the
fans come on, hear the drives power up, and hear a single very soft click
from the speaker -- but nothing comes up on the monitor and I hear no
diagnostic beeps. I'm gonna go wrassle with the clerks today. What fun.

-- CHS


On 11/2/06, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I figure I'll return the stuff I don't install.
>
> -- CHS
>
> On 11/2/06, Calvin Harrigan <charriglists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > Charles Shapiro wrote:
> > > Hmm. Welp, a couple nights ago I tried running memtest86+ on it (after
> > > several failed boot attempts) and it looked good for the 30 minutes or
> > > so I had to run it. Looked like a full run would take 2 hours or more.
> >
> > >
> > > Last night, I was actually home long enough to try again. This time I
> > > had no failed boots, but memtest86+ failed consistently.
> > >
> > > So my current operating plan is to go to MicroSeconds Saturday and buy
> >
> > > another stick of memory, a power supply, and a Socket A motherboard.
> > > Then I'll easter-egg 'em in starting with the memory until I'm
> > > convinced I've  found the trouble.
> > >
> > > -- CHS
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/30/06, *Charles Shapiro* <hooterpincher at gmail.com
> > > <mailto:hooterpincher at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     My main box at home is having Serious Troubles.  On startup it
> > >     often will hang (no screen output) with the CD light lit steady
> > >     until I press & hold the "off" switch to retry. Other behaviors
> > >     include appearing to start up and then emitting random beeps
> > >     through the speaker with no screen output, or giving random core
> > >     dumps on various scripts in /etc/init.d.  I've also experienced
> > >     spontaneous reboots and random hangs/program failures in X
> > >     windows.  The "memory speed" number given in the initial startup
> > >     screen sometimes changes from boot-up to boot-up as well.  The
> > >     system is a home-brew about 4 years old and lightly used; leadtek
> > >     WinFast K-series MB, athlon chip, cheap simple video card, single
> > >     512 MB DRAM stick. Processor temperatures appear to be within
> > >     acceptable ranges, at least according to the "syshealth" part of
> > >     the BIOS. I've enabled the full memory test in the POST, but so
> > >     far that hasn't picked up any problems.
> > >
> > >     I'm thinking that the problem is either memory or motherboard.
> > >     I've removed, air-blasted, and re-seated the memory stick in a new
> > >     slot without change in behavior. At  this point I'm considering
> > >     getting some new memory and, if that doesn't change the behavior,
> > >     replacing the motherboard.
> > >
> > >     Does this seem reasonable? The clock appears steady, so I'm
> > >     assuming the BIOS battery is OK, but perhaps that's a factor?
> > >
> > >     -- CHS
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > Seems like an expensive route.  Why not just start with the memory?
> >
> > Calvin...
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
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From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  6 09:04:52 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Mailing Lists)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:04:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611060545m4e519f5bm47afe53600e040d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>	<4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>	<454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>	<4a89f25f0611021021v5133f5b9q55bd1aa3dd3efecd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611060545m4e519f5bm47afe53600e040d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <454F4104.8020609@bellsouth.net>

Charles Shapiro wrote:

> Aha. Looks like the motherboard fell victim to the Capacitor Plague ( 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague ) all right.
> Out of about 40 electrolytic can capacitors on the board, 26 of them 
> show signs of bloating or have actually burst.  I pulled the 
> motherboard and got a new one at MicroSeconds, but it appears DOA. 
> When I plug it up in minimal boot configuration (processor, 1 memory 
> stick installed, power, reset, front lights, monitor, keyboard plugged 
> in), and hit the power switch, I see the fans come on, hear the drives 
> power up, and hear a single very soft click from the speaker -- but 
> nothing comes up on the monitor and I hear no diagnostic beeps. I'm 
> gonna go wrassle with the clerks today. What fun.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
<snip>

You mean you're not going to change out the capacitors on the board?!

Calvin...


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 09:09:42 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 09:09:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <454F4104.8020609@bellsouth.net>
References: <4a89f25f0610300625s34fa2e03l2fcc3a64919d3276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611020703x732ecd31uf89b8bcf31bfb421@mail.gmail.com>
	<454A35DF.2080806@bellsouth.net>
	<4a89f25f0611021021v5133f5b9q55bd1aa3dd3efecd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a89f25f0611060545m4e519f5bm47afe53600e040d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<454F4104.8020609@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611060609mb9bdca7wab51f3f1f37b855f@mail.gmail.com>

Nah. I'm a wimp, I know.  But 26 caps is a lotta soldering.

-- CHS


On 11/6/06, Mailing Lists <charriglists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Charles Shapiro wrote:
>
> > Aha. Looks like the motherboard fell victim to the Capacitor Plague (
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague ) all right.
> > Out of about 40 electrolytic can capacitors on the board, 26 of them
> > show signs of bloating or have actually burst.  I pulled the
> > motherboard and got a new one at MicroSeconds, but it appears DOA.
> > When I plug it up in minimal boot configuration (processor, 1 memory
> > stick installed, power, reset, front lights, monitor, keyboard plugged
> > in), and hit the power switch, I see the fans come on, hear the drives
> > power up, and hear a single very soft click from the speaker -- but
> > nothing comes up on the monitor and I hear no diagnostic beeps. I'm
> > gonna go wrassle with the clerks today. What fun.
> >
> > -- CHS
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
> You mean you're not going to change out the capacitors on the board?!
>
> Calvin...
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Mon Nov  6 09:54:13 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 09:54:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] Firefox config
Message-ID: <1162824853.4532.5.camel@cfowler-laptop>

Is ther anyway to tell FF to _not_ ask me if I want to store passwords?
I never store passwords and it is a pain answering no to a dialog at
each site where I enter a password.



From volcimaster at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 10:03:48 2006
From: volcimaster at gmail.com (Warren Myers)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:03:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Firefox config
In-Reply-To: <1162824853.4532.5.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <1162824853.4532.5.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <cd08a04c0611060703s2e3bf5f7s2ea5c3962ae00930@mail.gmail.com>

in FF 2, you go to Tools -> Options -> Security and uncheck the Remember
Passwords box.

It's similar in FF 1.5, but I think it's under Privacy there, maybe.

WMM

On 11/6/06, cfowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>
> Is ther anyway to tell FF to _not_ ask me if I want to store passwords?
> I never store passwords and it is a pain answering no to a dialog at
> each site where I enter a password.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



-- 
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"God may not play dice with the universe, but something strange is going on
with the prime numbers." --Paul Erd?s
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From transam at verysecurelinux.com  Mon Nov  6 10:56:20 2006
From: transam at verysecurelinux.com (Bob Toxen)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:56:20 -0500
Subject: [ale] Laptops and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20061103173529.27b1d7e5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
References: <20061103153527.GD15865@rdlg.net> <454B6707.3030304@kneuro.net>
	<20061103173529.27b1d7e5@dhcp208.vb.futz.org>
Message-ID: <20061106155620.GA24920@verysecurelinux.com>

Besides those three memory hogs, you're probably using a bloated
desktop with a gazillion unneeded graphics daemons.

I'm quite happy with fvwm on Slackware on my 1.4GHz AMD and 384MB memory
on my low-end R31 IBM ThinkPad laptop.  I run two broswers and a
gazillion xterms on 6 desktops and it is VERY fast.

Bob Toxen
bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux/Unix security consulting]
http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]
Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.

"Microsoft: Unsafe at any clock speed!"
   -- Bob Toxen 10/03/2002

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 05:35:29PM -0500, Robert Story wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 08:57:59 -0700 JK wrote:
> J> Robert L. Harris wrote:
> J> >   I'm looking to get another laptop.  Right now I'm on a Lenovo (IBM) 3000
> J> > N100.  Core 2 Duo, 512Meg Ram, 1.66Ghz and it's killing me.  Open Firefox, 
> J> > Amarok and an OpenOffice Spreadsheet and I can grind it to a halt for 10 
> J> > minutes.
> J> 
> J> Giving your old machine a RAM infusion (even just bringing
> J> it up to 1G) might make a huge difference.
> 
> Seconded! You've named 3 of the biggest memory hogging applications around. I
> think doubling (or better) you memory will definitely help. Starting all 3 at
> once might still take a while, but things will be much smoother once they are
> all up and running..


From transam at verysecurelinux.com  Mon Nov  6 11:04:01 2006
From: transam at verysecurelinux.com (Bob Toxen)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:04:01 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>

Methinks that if M$ wanted to destroy Linux (beyond its FUD, politicing,
and incompatibility efforts) it would buy the largest Distro, Red Hat,
and shut it down.  If the other poster's estimate of $3B is correct,
that's a drop in the ocean for M$ and its ROI would pay for it within a
year.

I think, instead, that our World Domination efforts have paid off.
Linux is popular enough that M$'s anti-interoperability is starting to
backfire with major clients threatening to dump M$ entirely if it does
not play nice with Linux.  By picking a smaller vendor but one popular
in Europe, M$ still weakens Red Hat.

Bob Toxen
bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux/Unix security consulting]
http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]
Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.

"Microsoft: Unsafe at any clock speed!"
   -- Bob Toxen 10/03/2002

On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:18:21PM -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
> Hmmmm...

> The thought HAD crossed my mind. I don't trust Gates and Crowd as far as 
> I can throw their headquarters building.

> Dan

> Jeff Lightner wrote:
> > The day MS "helps" a rival is the day to sell that rival's stock.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Lambert
> > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:11 PM
> > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
> > 
> > 
> > I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got 
> > from the Wall Street Journal.
> > 
> > "Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
> > Through Partnership With Novell
> > By ROBERT A. GUTH
> > November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
> > [nowides]
> > 
> > Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
> > 
> > that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the 
> > software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the
> > 
> > companies."
> > 
> > There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what 
> > MS and Novell are up to.
> > 
> > Dan


From vernard at venger.net  Mon Nov  6 11:54:44 2006
From: vernard at venger.net (Vernard Martin)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 11:54:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)
In-Reply-To: <001201c6fe85$60a8ab90$6700000a@LaneDesktop>
References: <001201c6fe85$60a8ab90$6700000a@LaneDesktop>
Message-ID: <454F68D4.8050600@venger.net>

Lane Oden wrote:
> Hey AlErs...
>
> I'm relatively new to the list and this is my first post...
>
> Anyone here have any experience with RHEL4 (or any of its clones) on ia64? 
>
> I downloaded media from RH the other day (official media kit is currently in
> transit). When the EFI boot starts the DVD drive, elilo starts, loads the
> kernel and ram disk... and then nothing...
>
> >From all the hp/RH documentation I've seen to this point, if it detects a
> video card, it should default to that as its standard output device. But
> I've even tried booting linux and linux test from the elilo prompt with no
> change in behavior. The machine doesn't appear to have stopped responding. I
> just can't find the output. 
>
> Sound familiar to anyone?
>   
I'm using RHEL4.4 on a Dell Itanimum system. I had no issues installing 
form the media but I installed from CD media instead of DVD media. 

Check the BIOS of your unit and see if it has console redirection turned 
on. I've seen some Dell units that won't display anything on the VGA 
output if that console redirection is enabled.

On a related note, I don't recommend using Itanium machines for any 
applications unless you either 1) are writing your own code that does 
tons of floating point operations so that your compiler can optimize for 
the Itanium architecture or 2) you are using third party software that 
is specifically optimized for the Itanium architecture.

V


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 12:33:36 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:33:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611060933t366bac87h16acffbb36c951f7@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

Good idea about the reverse DNS issue.  I had totally forgotten about
that and I should know enough not to do that.  ie. I've hit that
problem many times before.

I just verified that cbeyond does not have a default reverse DNS setup
for my static IPs.  Hopefully they have a way for me to create those.

Greg

On 11/4/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> greg,
> Is the box, with which you tested, NATed?  Either way, if the remote can't
> reverse lookup your IP, they could be some DNS delays there.
>
>
> On 11/3/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 17:50 -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > >
> > > Just a test.
> > > time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> > > Trying 209.150.157.211...
> > > Connected to mail.dmares.com.
> > > Escape character is '^]'.
> > > 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:38 -0600
> > > Connection closed by foreign host.
> > >
> > > real    7m50.918s
> > > user    0m0.020s
> > > sys     0m0.004s
> > >
> > > After a 90,000 mile trip..
> > > tn -->Satellite --> NY-->ALE+
> > >
> > > 8-)
> > >
> > > Jack
> >
> > I'm not sure if you are being facetious about the timing or humorous
> > about the distance, however the OP showed their timing using a
> > "quit" (presumably manually entered immediately after the successful
> > connect).
> >
> > -Jim P.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From transam at verysecurelinux.com  Mon Nov  6 13:09:40 2006
From: transam at verysecurelinux.com (Bob Toxen)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:09:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611060933t366bac87h16acffbb36c951f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c37
Message-ID: <20061106180940.GA26822@verysecurelinux.com>

On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:33:36PM -0500, Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Jerry,

> Good idea about the reverse DNS issue.  I had totally forgotten about
> that and I should know enough not to do that.  ie. I've hit that
> problem many times before.

> I just verified that cbeyond does not have a default reverse DNS setup
> for my static IPs.  Hopefully they have a way for me to create those.
Some ISPs are so incompetent they don't supply that RDNS.  Comcast's
servers were so flakey that it worked some of the time for a long time.

Sometimes you can fix this with your own forward (normal) DNS entry for
the Fully-qualified Host Name (FQHN) of your choice that will cause a
similar RDNS entry.

> Greg

Bob Toxen
bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux/Unix security consulting]
http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]
Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.

"Microsoft: Unsafe at any clock speed!"
   -- Bob Toxen 10/03/2002

> On 11/4/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > greg,
> > Is the box, with which you tested, NATed?  Either way, if the remote can't
> > reverse lookup your IP, they could be some DNS delays there.
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 17:50 -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Just a test.
> > > > time telnet mail.dmares.com 25
> > > > Trying 209.150.157.211...
> > > > Connected to mail.dmares.com.
> > > > Escape character is '^]'.
> > > > 220 plus42.host4u.net ESMTP Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:35:38 -0600
> > > > Connection closed by foreign host.
> > > >
> > > > real    7m50.918s
> > > > user    0m0.020s
> > > > sys     0m0.004s
> > > >
> > > > After a 90,000 mile trip..
> > > > tn -->Satellite --> NY-->ALE+
> > > >
> > > > 8-)
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if you are being facetious about the timing or humorous
> > > about the distance, however the OP showed their timing using a
> > > "quit" (presumably manually entered immediately after the successful
> > > connect).
> > >
> > > -Jim P.
> > > _______________________________________________
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  6 13:41:46 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 13:41:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <20061106180940.GA26822@verysecurelinux.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c37  <20061106180940.GA26822@verysecurelinux.com>
Message-ID: <1162838506.28262.4.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 13:09 -0500, Bob Toxen wrote:
> Some ISPs are so incompetent they don't supply that RDNS.  

I believe their "incompetence" is due to requests from the email systems
operators community.  Lack of a PTR record is something easy to reject
inbound mail from, whereas existence of a PTR record requires that
further RBL and custom checks have to be applied wasting time,
resources, and bandwidth.  I applaud the complete elimination of PTRs
unless necessitated and instigated (as well as responsibly secured) by
the customer, as well as having that customer properly identified via
rwhois.

-Jim P.



From loden at ncpsolutions.com  Mon Nov  6 13:37:19 2006
From: loden at ncpsolutions.com (Lane Oden)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 12:37:19 -0600
Subject: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)
Message-ID: <2E61765EC5403A40AAA4AA2B93881F4A57823A@bhpmail01.ncps.net>

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Vernard Martin
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:55 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)

Check the BIOS of your unit and see if it has console redirection turned

on. I've seen some Dell units that won't display anything on the VGA 
output if that console redirection is enabled.

On a related note, I don't recommend using Itanium machines for any 
applications unless you either 1) are writing your own code that does 
tons of floating point operations so that your compiler can optimize for

the Itanium architecture or 2) you are using third party software that 
is specifically optimized for the Itanium architecture.


It was, in fact, the console redirection built into the BIOS...
Apparently, it will display on VGA if you're using ttyS0 once you get
started, but won't interact with the local keyboard. I ended up changing
the primary display to VGA and it worked fine.

We are using third party software that is specifically designed to run
on the IA64 architecture (although the same software runs on x86 as well
with different binary installers). In fact, the company hasn't certified
some of the software to work in 64 bit environments and we are also
maintaining a 32 bit loaner until that certification process is complete
and the app is officially supported. 

Thanks,

Lane


From krwatson at cc.gatech.edu  Mon Nov  6 13:53:02 2006
From: krwatson at cc.gatech.edu (Watson, Keith R.)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:53:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611060609mb9bdca7wab51f3f1f37b855f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>

Charles,

If you get the caps, I'll solder them for you.

keith

-- 

Keith R. Watson                        Georgia Institute of Technology
Systems Support Specialist IV          College of Computing
keith.watson at cc.gatech.edu             801 Atlantic Drive NW
(404) 385-7401                         Atlanta, GA  30332-0280

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Charles Shapiro
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 09:10
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Losing stability
> 
> Nah. I'm a wimp, I know.  But 26 caps is a lotta soldering.
> 
> -- CHS
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/6/06, Mailing Lists <charriglists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> 	Charles Shapiro wrote:
> 
> 	> Aha. Looks like the motherboard fell victim to the Capacitor
> Plague (
> 	> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague ) all right.
> 	> Out of about 40 electrolytic can capacitors on the board, 26
of
> them
> 	> show signs of bloating or have actually burst.  I pulled the
> 	> motherboard and got a new one at MicroSeconds, but it appears
DOA.
> 	> When I plug it up in minimal boot configuration (processor, 1
> memory
> 	> stick installed, power, reset, front lights, monitor, keyboard
> plugged
> 	> in), and hit the power switch, I see the fans come on, hear
the
> drives
> 	> power up, and hear a single very soft click from the speaker
--
> but
> 	> nothing comes up on the monitor and I hear no diagnostic
beeps.
> I'm
> 	> gonna go wrassle with the clerks today. What fun.
> 	>
> 	> -- CHS
> 	>
> 	>
> 	<snip>
> 
> 	You mean you're not going to change out the capacitors on the
> board?!
> 
> 	Calvin...
> 	_______________________________________________
> 	Ale mailing list
> 	Ale at ale.org <mailto:Ale at ale.org>
> 	http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> 



From jlightner at water.com  Mon Nov  6 13:58:08 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 13:58:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5FC@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Just to make it even more fun HP offers a management card for the
Itanium servers so one can interact with that (e.g console via IP).
Once you add that card it changes the possible displays etc... - We ran
into that on an Itanium running HP-UX.

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Lane
To: ale at ale.org
Oden
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 1:37 PM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Vernard Martin
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 10:55 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] RHEL 4 on HP Integrity (ia64)

Check the BIOS of your unit and see if it has console redirection turned

on. I've seen some Dell units that won't display anything on the VGA 
output if that console redirection is enabled.

On a related note, I don't recommend using Itanium machines for any 
applications unless you either 1) are writing your own code that does 
tons of floating point operations so that your compiler can optimize for

the Itanium architecture or 2) you are using third party software that 
is specifically optimized for the Itanium architecture.


It was, in fact, the console redirection built into the BIOS...
Apparently, it will display on VGA if you're using ttyS0 once you get
started, but won't interact with the local keyboard. I ended up changing
the primary display to VGA and it worked fine.

We are using third party software that is specifically designed to run
on the IA64 architecture (although the same software runs on x86 as well
with different binary installers). In fact, the company hasn't certified
some of the software to work in 64 bit environments and we are also
maintaining a 32 bit loaner until that certification process is complete
and the app is officially supported. 

Thanks,

Lane
_______________________________________________
Ale mailing list
Ale at ale.org
http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  6 14:23:36 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Mailing Lists)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:23:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>
References: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>
Message-ID: <454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>

Watson, Keith R. wrote:

>Charles,
>
>If you get the caps, I'll solder them for you.
>
>keith
>
>  
>
LOL, I wasn't being serious...
Multi-layer boards (such as MBs) are a pain to solder.

Calvin...


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 14:45:40 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 14:45:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>
References: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>
	<454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611061145y1e03e979k408700afa9040ad4@mail.gmail.com>

Dang Keith, I might-should've taken you up on that.

RIght now I have an AMD Sempron 2800 motherboard w/ processor sitting in my
car (in the shade). I reckon that's my next stop on this  particular
odyssey.   I was heartened that MicroSeconds (
http://www.microseconds.net/) took my exchange without too much
kicking. I had the stuff in hand to
throw the bad MB on a test case to verify that it was DOA if necessary.

Of course, I could probly buy an equivalent or better machine for, like,
$300. But (a) I'd have to pay the Microsoft Tax and (b) Where's the fun in
that??

So, anyone need a Socket A 266 mhz Athlon Thoroughbred, made Nov 2002 or so?



-- CHS


On 11/6/06, Mailing Lists <charriglists at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Watson, Keith R. wrote:
>
> >Charles,
> >
> >If you get the caps, I'll solder them for you.
> >
> >keith
> >
> >
> >
> LOL, I wasn't being serious...
> Multi-layer boards (such as MBs) are a pain to solder.
>
> Calvin...
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 14:58:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611061145y1e03e979k408700afa9040ad4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz> <	>
	<454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>
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Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30695e743b9aca00735f8e7e.30696620@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>RIght now I have an AMD Sempron 2800 motherboard w/ processor sitting in my
>car (in the shade). I reckon that's my next stop on this  particular
>odyssey.   I was heartened that MicroSeconds ( [ http://www.microseconds.net/
>]http://www.microseconds.net/ )

Did they really charge the $130 listed on their website for that combo? On
Newegg the CPU is $40
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104245), and they have
nice Socket 754 motherboards around $50
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200022+1070907494&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=22).

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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov  6 15:15:57 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 15:15:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f30695e743b9aca00735f8e7e.30696620@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>
	<454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>
	<4a89f25f0611061145y1e03e979k408700afa9040ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.00249f0f30695e743b9aca00735f8e7e.30696620@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611061215k46946599q4e61b06fdd75f882@mail.gmail.com>

I paid $110 for processor and board. But mine has 3 PCI slots -- which I'm
gonna need all 3: video card, NIC, and super-duper cool sound card.

-- CHS


On 11/6/06, Brian D. Pitts <bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>
>  *Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
> *RIght now I have an AMD Sempron 2800 motherboard w/ processor sitting in
> my car (in the shade). I reckon that's my next stop on this  particular
> odyssey.   I was heartened that MicroSeconds (
> http://www.microseconds.net/ )
>
> Did they really charge the $130 listed on their website for that combo? On
> Newegg the CPU is $40 (
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104245), and they
> have nice Socket 754 motherboards around $50 (
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200022+1070907494&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=22
> ).
>
> -Brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From jlightner at water.com  Mon Nov  6 16:11:14 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 16:11:14 -0500
Subject: [ale] FYI - Since the talk regards open source thought people on
	the list might be interested
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B600@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Subject:	 November Meeting of The Atlanta UNIX Users Group (AUUG)

Topic:    Legal considerations for Open-Source and Blogs

Speakers: Sandra Gardiner
          Paul Arne
          Morris, Manning & Martin L.L.P.
          Atlanta, GA

Location: Hewlett-Packard Building
          20 Perimeter Summit (directly across I-285 from Perimeter
Mall)
          Atlanta, GA  30319

Date:     Monday, November 6, 2006
Time:     7:30pm


  Our speakers will hold a conversation exploring two hot areas in
  the intersection of law and technology: GNU General Public
  License, Version 3 (GPL3), related open source issues, and legal
  considerations for bloggers.

  Paul & Sandra are both partners in the Technology Group at
  Morris, Manning & Martin, LLP
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Prior to the meeting, there will be an informal, non-structured
"guru" session open to anyone wishing to attend.  This will start
around 6:45pm in the meeting room, and we will have one or more
gurus available to discuss whatever topics/problems/questions the
attendees care to bring up.
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E-mail facilities have been graciously provided by Dragon Networks,
Inc.  Please visit their web site at http://www.dragon.com to learn
of their many services.
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It is with great pride that we recognize our Corporate Sponsors.
Being aware of the contributions made by the AUUG membership to the
UNIX community, these firms, both large and small, have made a
commitment to provide financial assistance for defraying the
operating expenses of AUUG.  We are both pleased and grateful for
their sponsorship, and hope that they will continue to support AUUG
in the days to come.
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      Subsequent Meeting:  Monday, December 4, 2006;  7:30 pm
                Topic: Open Source: Current goodies
                      Speaker: Brent Laminack
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For those who need some sustenance before the meeting, you will
find kindred AUUG spirits at "Fuddruckers" restaurant (240
Perimeter Center Pkwy) on Hammond Drive across from Perimeter Mall
and not far from the Hewlett-Packard building.  Drop in any time
after 5:30pm to sit around and chew the fat and indulge in some of
the Fuddruckers cuisine.  This is a chance for folks to get
together and exchange rumors, ideas, assistance, etc.
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There is no charge to attend the meeting, nor any fee for
membership.  Just show up!

                        --- PLEASE POST ---
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                        http://www.auug.org


 Corporate Sponsors:
    Hewlett-Packard Co.
                www.hp.com
    Sun Microsystems
                www.sun.com
    Morris, Manning & Martin L.L.P.
                www.mmmlaw.com
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                www.dragon.com


Lindsay Cleveland (auug at auug.org)


Jeffrey C. Lightner
Unix Systems Administrator
DS Waters of America, Inc.
678-486-3516
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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Mon Nov  6 23:56:24 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:56:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
	<20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>
Message-ID: <1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 11:04 -0500, Bob Toxen wrote:
> Methinks that if M$ wanted to destroy Linux (beyond its FUD, politicing,
> and incompatibility efforts) it would buy the largest Distro, Red Hat,
> and shut it down.  If the other poster's estimate of $3B is correct,
> that's a drop in the ocean for M$ and its ROI would pay for it within a
> year.
> 
> I think, instead, that our World Domination efforts have paid off.
> Linux is popular enough that M$'s anti-interoperability is starting to
> backfire with major clients threatening to dump M$ entirely if it does
> not play nice with Linux.  By picking a smaller vendor but one popular
> in Europe, M$ still weakens Red Hat.

Good point. But I am cynical enough to see it from a different
standpoint:

M$ funded the SCO debacle. They thought they could shut down Linux that
way. But during the mess, it was revealed that the code SCO is claiming
they "own" and thus is the core of the infringement is actually "owned"
by Novell. Thus the M$ interest in Novell is not so much to sway it's
big buyers into placation by actually offering better interoperability.
If they are able to leverage a strategic partnership into a co-ownership
of Novell code, they can require a license fee for the use of that code
and effectively shut down RedHat and everyone else. Thus M$ can then
claim the interoperability issue is _caused_ by Linux as they have
"stolen" M$ property.

I had another part to this argument but I'm too tired to recall it right
now.
> 
> Bob Toxen
> bob at verysecurelinux.com               [Please use for email to me]
> http://www.verysecurelinux.com        [Network&Linux/Unix security consulting]
> http://www.realworldlinuxsecurity.com [My book:"Real World Linux Security 2/e"]
> Quality Linux & UNIX security and SysAdmin & software consulting since 1990.
> 
> "Microsoft: Unsafe at any clock speed!"
>    -- Bob Toxen 10/03/2002
> 
> On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 03:18:21PM -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
> > Hmmmm...
> 
> > The thought HAD crossed my mind. I don't trust Gates and Crowd as far as 
> > I can throw their headquarters building.
> 
> > Dan
> 
> > Jeff Lightner wrote:
> > > The day MS "helps" a rival is the day to sell that rival's stock.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of Dan
> > > Lambert
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:11 PM
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > > Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I thought you folks might be interested in this Tech Alert I just got 
> > > from the Wall Street Journal.
> > > 
> > > "Microsoft Is Set to Give Linux a Boost
> > > Through Partnership With Novell
> > > By ROBERT A. GUTH
> > > November 2, 2006 2:59 p.m.
> > > [nowides]
> > > 
> > > Microsoft Corp. is entering into an unusual partnership with Novell Inc.
> > > 
> > > that gives a boost to the Linux operating system, a rival to the 
> > > software giant's Windows software, according to people familiar with the
> > > 
> > > companies."
> > > 
> > > There's more, but I thought everyone would be interested in seeing what 
> > > MS and Novell are up to.
> > > 
> > > Dan
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
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CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 09:52:08 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 09:52:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] New Fry's in Alpharetta?
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>

I was just editing the CheapAtlantaHardware page on the wiki, and realized
that I hadn't heard anything about the new Fry's that opened Saturday in
Alpharetta.
Did anyone up that way go into it? Any reports?

-- CHS
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  7 10:03:57 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 10:03:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] New Fry's in Alpharetta?
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1162911837.2315.26.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 09:52 -0500, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> the new Fry's that opened Saturday in Alpharetta.

I drove by it a week or so ago.  It looks the same from the outside as
the one up I-85.   I just presumed it had been there for a while, but at
the time it seemed strange that there were no cars in the parking lot.
Makes sense now however.

-Jim P.



From stillwaxin at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 10:29:53 2006
From: stillwaxin at gmail.com (Michael Still)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:29:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] New Fry's in Alpharetta?
In-Reply-To: <1162911837.2315.26.camel@localhost>
References: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162911837.2315.26.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <12bbc01c0611070729y4aa3780cwfd31dd648982e8ed@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. It's new.  Just opened up a couple weeks ago.  Too bad both Fry's
are so far away from me.  It's probably for the better though.

On 11/7/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 09:52 -0500, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> > the new Fry's that opened Saturday in Alpharetta.
>
> I drove by it a week or so ago.  It looks the same from the outside as
> the one up I-85.   I just presumed it had been there for a while, but at
> the time it seemed strange that there were no cars in the parking lot.
> Makes sense now however.
>
> -Jim P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Tue Nov  7 10:47:53 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:47:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] New Fry's in Alpharetta?
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611071038400.16418-100000@otter.localdomain>

ALErs -

Oh-oh - the new Fry's is near my new office! &8-O)-
                                                $
                                               $
                                                $
                                               $

I went over yesterday but limited myself to vacuum-cleaner bags and ink
cartridges.

Pretty similar to the Duluth outlet, though it looks a bit more sparely
set up. My cashier said things had been a bit slow. (Not from want of
advertising - that's for sure!)

Cheers.
 - Mills

On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Charles Shapiro wrote:

> I was just editing the CheapAtlantaHardware page on the wiki, and realized
> that I hadn't heard anything about the new Fry's that opened Saturday in
> Alpharetta.
> Did anyone up that way go into it? Any reports?
> 
> -- CHS



From jjj863 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 12:15:11 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:15:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] debugfs :: handy utility to debug an ext2 or ext3 file system
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611070915w68deaf65xeda52773e5836f95@mail.gmail.com>

I am learning a useful utility program named 'debugfs'. It is part of
e2fsprogs package, an essential packages containing axillary programs for
ext2 and ext3 file system under Linux. For a regular file, you can find an
inode by any data block the file or dir entry is using. Then you can turn
around and ask for the name of the inode. This could be handy when some
mysterious files causing df and du disagree whether the filie system is
full, or the file system is corrupted or can't mounted to be accessed as
usual. More advanced file system features are available too.

# to find what inode is claiming a given data block
# debugfs -R "icheck 12345" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
Block   Inode number
12345   340

# to find the file name given the inode number
# debugfs -R "ncheck 49153" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
Inode   Pathname
49153   /usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/libbonobo-2.0.mo

# Print the location of the inode data structure
# debugfs -R "imap /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
Inode 557516 is part of block group 34
        located at block 1114128, offset 0x0580

# to dump the direntry (filespec, per man page)
debugfs -R "dump -p /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped"
/dev/hda1
# md5sum /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped
e5c536b539b5ffcaa03b22bd7fcc164a  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL
e5c536b539b5ffcaa03b22bd7fcc164a  /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped

# to get the  contents of a file, assume the fs can't be mounted and
accessed the usually way.
# debugfs -R "cat /etc/redhat-release" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
CentOS release 4.4 (Final)

Noteworthy is, for files under /selinux ( a pseudo fs), it can find inode
number associated with a data block. However, it couldn't find  the file
name for the very inode number.
# debugfs -R "ncheck 8" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
Inode   Pathname
8       <inode not found>
# find / -inum 8
/selinux/relabel
# ls -id /selinux/relabel
8 /selinux/relabel
# debugfs -R "icheck 4567" /dev/hda1
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
Block   Inode number
4567    8
# / is on /dev/hda1
/dev/hda1              8127400   6738524   1306308  84% /

There's a lot of powerful (and dangerous features) such as

   - feature  you can set or clear various file system features in the
   superblock
   - freeb to mark data blocks as unallocated  vs. setb
   - freei to free the inode specified
   - clri  to clear the contents of the inode
   - chroot  to chroot to the directory
   - find_free_block
   - find_free_inode
   - init_filesys  to create an ext2 file system
   - kill_file deallocate the file and its blocks. It doesn't remove any
   direntry to this inode. not 'rm' or 'unlink'.
   - logdump to dump the ext3 journal
   - modify_inode  modify the contents of the inode structure
   - ls/mkdir/mknod/rm/rmdir

'debugfs' starts interactively by default, unless you have '-R' to request
one-time use only. An session would be like below:
# debugfs
debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
debugfs:  open /dev/hda1
debugfs:  icheck 12345
Block   Inode number
12345   340
debugfs:  ncheck 340
Inode   Pathname
340     /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/mountain
debugfs:  close
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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 12:29:17 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:29:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] debugfs :: handy utility to debug an ext2 or ext3 file
	system
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611070915w68deaf65xeda52773e5836f95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611070915w68deaf65xeda52773e5836f95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611070929n62b89245y619c3b98fd185363@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies :: a quick note to myself ended up posting to the group. Should
any ALEr find it useful,  I'd feel much better about bad grammar and such.

On 11/7/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am learning a useful utility program named 'debugfs'. It is part of
> e2fsprogs package, an essential packages containing axillary programs for
> ext2 and ext3 file system under Linux. For a regular file, you can find an
> inode by any data block the file or dir entry is using. Then you can turn
> around and ask for the name of the inode. This could be handy when some
> mysterious files causing df and du disagree whether the filie system is
> full, or the file system is corrupted or can't mounted to be accessed as
> usual. More advanced file system features are available too.
>
> # to find what inode is claiming a given data block
> # debugfs -R "icheck 12345" /dev/hda1
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> Block   Inode number
> 12345   340
>
> # to find the file name given the inode number
> # debugfs -R "ncheck 49153" /dev/hda1
>  debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> Inode   Pathname
> 49153   /usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/libbonobo-2.0.mo
>
> # Print the location of the inode data structure
> # debugfs -R "imap /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL" /dev/hda1
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> Inode 557516 is part of block group 34
>         located at block 1114128, offset 0x0580
>
> # to dump the direntry (filespec, per man page)
> debugfs -R "dump -p /boot/vmlinuz- 2.6.9-42.0.2.EL /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped"
> /dev/hda1
> # md5sum /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped
> e5c536b539b5ffcaa03b22bd7fcc164a  /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-42.0.2.EL
> e5c536b539b5ffcaa03b22bd7fcc164a  /tmp/vmlinuz_dumped
>
> # to get the  contents of a file, assume the fs can't be mounted and
> accessed the usually way.
> # debugfs -R "cat /etc/redhat-release" /dev/hda1
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> CentOS release 4.4 (Final)
>
> Noteworthy is, for files under /selinux ( a pseudo fs), it can find inode
> number associated with a data block. However, it couldn't find  the file
> name for the very inode number.
> # debugfs -R "ncheck 8" /dev/hda1
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> Inode   Pathname
> 8       <inode not found>
> # find / -inum 8
> /selinux/relabel
> # ls -id /selinux/relabel
> 8 /selinux/relabel
> # debugfs -R "icheck 4567" /dev/hda1
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> Block   Inode number
> 4567    8
> # / is on /dev/hda1
> /dev/hda1              8127400   6738524   1306308  84% /
>
> There's a lot of powerful (and dangerous features) such as
>
>    - feature  you can set or clear various file system features in the
>    superblock
>    - freeb to mark data blocks as unallocated  vs. setb
>    - freei to free the inode specified
>    - clri  to clear the contents of the inode
>    - chroot  to chroot to the directory
>    - find_free_block
>    - find_free_inode
>    - init_filesys  to create an ext2 file system
>    - kill_file deallocate the file and its blocks. It doesn't remove
>    any direntry to this inode. not ' rm' or 'unlink'.
>    - logdump to dump the ext3 journal
>    - modify_inode  modify the contents of the inode structure
>    - ls/mkdir/mknod/rm/rmdir
>
> 'debugfs' starts interactively by default, unless you have '-R' to request
> one-time use only. An session would be like below:
> # debugfs
> debugfs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
> debugfs:  open /dev/hda1
> debugfs:  icheck 12345
> Block   Inode number
> 12345   340
> debugfs:  ncheck 340
> Inode   Pathname
> 340     /usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver/mountain
> debugfs:  close
> debugfs:  quit
>
>
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From timothy at meanor.net  Tue Nov  7 12:44:11 2006
From: timothy at meanor.net (timothy at meanor.net)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 12:44:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] debugfs :: handy utility to debug an ext2 or ext3 file
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From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  7 13:34:26 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Mailing Lists)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 13:34:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] New Fry's in Alpharetta?
In-Reply-To: <12bbc01c0611070729y4aa3780cwfd31dd648982e8ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a89f25f0611070652ge025c89va85f2e2e7689a8eb@mail.gmail.com>	<1162911837.2315.26.camel@localhost>
	<12bbc01c0611070729y4aa3780cwfd31dd648982e8ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4550D1B2.5020600@bellsouth.net>

Michael Still wrote:

>Yes. It's new.  Just opened up a couple weeks ago.  Too bad both Fry's
>are so far away from me.  It's probably for the better though.
>  
>
>><snip>
>>    
>>
I was thinking the same thing, now there are two fry's and both are too 
far away.  It's easier for me to buy stuff online and have it shipped 
than drive 80-100 miles round trip.  They need at one on the south side 
of town.


Calvin


From pilarlosada at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 14:12:09 2006
From: pilarlosada at comcast.net (andy whitten)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:12:09 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu
Message-ID: <1162926729.23894.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>

Hello, 
I am using Dapper Drake I have just downloaded the latest updates for
Vlc.  It has got some issues.  WMA2 and WMA3 formats, you can hear the
sound but not see the picture. 
Has anyone had this happen to them?  I was out on the Vlc forum. There
are a good number of posts about Edgy. I don't think I am alone in this.
Any advise would be greatly appreciated. 

Regards, 
Andy



From kafka at antichri.st  Tue Nov  7 14:34:38 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 14:34:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
Message-ID: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>

Hi all,

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figure you're a knowledgable bunch.  
I need an electrician to come out to my place and up one of the breakers 
in our breaker box (previous owners had mismarked the box and the 
breaker for the dryer is rated lower than the dryer itself)--I'm pretty 
useless with these things and would probably kill myself if I tried to 
do it.  Anyone have any recommendations? (I'm in the Oakhurst/Decatur 
area.)

Thanks,
--George
--------------------------------------
George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
Words are just dust in deserts of sound


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov  7 14:25:58 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:25:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <1162927558.9150.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:34 -0500, George Carless wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figure you're a knowledgable bunch.  
> I need an electrician to come out to my place and up one of the breakers 
> in our breaker box (previous owners had mismarked the box and the 
> breaker for the dryer is rated lower than the dryer itself)--I'm pretty 
> useless with these things and would probably kill myself if I tried to 
> do it.  Anyone have any recommendations? (I'm in the Oakhurst/Decatur 
> area.)

Changing a breaker is very easy.  I would be concerned with the wiring.
If the breaker is low then I bet the wiring is low too.  You may have to
run new wire.

> 
> Thanks,
> --George
> --------------------------------------
> George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
> Words are just dust in deserts of sound
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov  7 15:11:48 2006
From: briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net (Jim Philips)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:11:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <1162926729.23894.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
References: <1162926729.23894.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
Message-ID: <200611071511.49025.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>

Get the latest w32codecs Debian package from here:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/

On Tuesday 07 November 2006 14:12, andy whitten wrote:
> Hello,
> I am using Dapper Drake I have just downloaded the latest updates for
> Vlc.  It has got some issues.  WMA2 and WMA3 formats, you can hear the
> sound but not see the picture.
> Has anyone had this happen to them?  I was out on the Vlc forum. There
> are a good number of posts about Edgy. I don't think I am alone in this.
> Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Andy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Tue Nov  7 15:23:44 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:23:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird attahcements don't work, anyone else made it work?
Message-ID: <4550EB50.8000409@fayettedigital.com>

I've noticed that some attachments open inline, since I do have that 
option file/open attachments inline, but others don't and I don't seem 
to be able to associate file types with programs.
When I go to preferences/attachments/view & edit view and edit actions/ 
I get a screen that won't let me do anything.  The only thing I can do 
is close.  There are no extensions, file type or action in the table.  
Searhing doesn't do squat and clear just clears what I typed in.  There 
doesn't seem to be an "add action" option.

This is version 1.5.0.4 on Linux.

Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Jim.


From pilarlosada at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 15:41:59 2006
From: pilarlosada at comcast.net (andy whitten)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:41:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <200611071511.49025.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <1162926729.23894.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
	<200611071511.49025.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1162932119.27265.1.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>

I am getting the codecs Stuff that plays in Totem is not playing in vlc.
is there an easy way to see what codecs i have installed? 

Regards, 

Andy 

On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 15:11 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> Get the latest w32codecs Debian package from here:
> 
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/w/w32codecs/
> 
> On Tuesday 07 November 2006 14:12, andy whitten wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am using Dapper Drake I have just downloaded the latest updates for
> > Vlc.  It has got some issues.  WMA2 and WMA3 formats, you can hear the
> > sound but not see the picture.
> > Has anyone had this happen to them?  I was out on the Vlc forum. There
> > are a good number of posts about Edgy. I don't think I am alone in this.
> > Any advise would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andy
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From christopher at bergeron.com  Tue Nov  7 15:45:29 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 15:45:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <4550F069.3020005@bergeron.com>

Swapping a breaker isn't difficult, it's really only 1 wire that you're 
changing (and swapping the breaker itself); but if you're not handy, I'd 
certainly leave it to a professional.

You could try Mr. Sparky.  We've had good success with them.

Kind regards,
Chris Bergeron




George Carless wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figure you're a knowledgable bunch.  
> I need an electrician to come out to my place and up one of the breakers 
> in our breaker box (previous owners had mismarked the box and the 
> breaker for the dryer is rated lower than the dryer itself)--I'm pretty 
> useless with these things and would probably kill myself if I tried to 
> do it.  Anyone have any recommendations? (I'm in the Oakhurst/Decatur 
> area.)
>
> Thanks,
> --George
> --------------------------------------
> George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
> Words are just dust in deserts of sound
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Tue Nov  7 16:06:31 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:06:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <1162927558.9150.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<1162927558.9150.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <FB726789-9619-4769-AC3D-52FA78751D3D@speedfactory.net>

Hi George,

Chris is right.  The wire and the breaker probably match.  That is,  
your builder probably did not install more (heavier) wire than he  
needed for the breaker he was planning to use.  If you have a 30 amp  
breaker you probably have wire that is rated to carry 30 amps.  An  
electrician will not install a bigger breaker without putting in  
bigger wire (if the existing wire is insufficient).  You should not  
either.

I would call an electrician for an opinion.  Sorry I have no opinion  
about electricians.

disclaimer, I am not an electrician but I do play one on weekends.

Mark

On Nov 7, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Christopher Fowler wrote:

> On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 14:34 -0500, George Carless wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figure you're a knowledgable  
>> bunch.
>> I need an electrician to come out to my place and up one of the  
>> breakers
>> in our breaker box (previous owners had mismarked the box and the
>> breaker for the dryer is rated lower than the dryer itself)--I'm  
>> pretty
>> useless with these things and would probably kill myself if I  
>> tried to
>> do it.  Anyone have any recommendations? (I'm in the Oakhurst/Decatur
>> area.)
>
> Changing a breaker is very easy.  I would be concerned with the  
> wiring.
> If the breaker is low then I bet the wiring is low too.  You may  
> have to
> run new wire.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --George
>> --------------------------------------
>> George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
>> Words are just dust in deserts of sound
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From kafka at antichri.st  Tue Nov  7 16:39:40 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 16:39:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <FB726789-9619-4769-AC3D-52FA78751D3D@speedfactory.net>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<1162927558.9150.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<FB726789-9619-4769-AC3D-52FA78751D3D@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <20061107213940.GB8223@antichri.st>

On Tue, Nov 07, 2006 at 04:06:31PM -0500, Mark Wright wrote:
> Hi George,
> 
> Chris is right.  The wire and the breaker probably match.  That is,  
> your builder probably did not install more (heavier) wire than he  
> needed for the breaker he was planning to use.  If you have a 30 amp  
> breaker you probably have wire that is rated to carry 30 amps.  An  
> electrician will not install a bigger breaker without putting in  
> bigger wire (if the existing wire is insufficient).  You should not  
> either.
> 
> I would call an electrician for an opinion.  Sorry I have no opinion  
> about electricians.

Thanks all for the advice.  I have somebody from Mr. Sparky on his/her 
way out this evening.  Hopefully it won't cost too much! ;)

Regards,
--George


From fd0man at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 17:24:36 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:24:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
	<20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>
	<1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <1162938276.16637.3.camel@pepper>

On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 23:56 -0500, James P. Kinney III wrote:

> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 11:04 -0500, Bob Toxen wrote:
> > Methinks that if M$ wanted to destroy Linux (beyond its FUD, politicing,
> > and incompatibility efforts) it would buy the largest Distro, Red Hat,
> > and shut it down.  If the other poster's estimate of $3B is correct,
> > that's a drop in the ocean for M$ and its ROI would pay for it within a
> > year.
> > 
> > I think, instead, that our World Domination efforts have paid off.
> > Linux is popular enough that M$'s anti-interoperability is starting to
> > backfire with major clients threatening to dump M$ entirely if it does
> > not play nice with Linux.  By picking a smaller vendor but one popular
> > in Europe, M$ still weakens Red Hat.
> 
> Good point. But I am cynical enough to see it from a different
> standpoint:
> 
> M$ funded the SCO debacle. They thought they could shut down Linux that
> way. But during the mess, it was revealed that the code SCO is claiming
> they "own" and thus is the core of the infringement is actually "owned"
> by Novell. Thus the M$ interest in Novell is not so much to sway it's
> big buyers into placation by actually offering better interoperability.
> If they are able to leverage a strategic partnership into a co-ownership
> of Novell code, they can require a license fee for the use of that code
> and effectively shut down RedHat and everyone else. Thus M$ can then
> claim the interoperability issue is _caused_ by Linux as they have
> "stolen" M$ property.
> 


Hrm.  Interesting.  I think it would prevent people from using future
code, but if the code currently out there is under an OSS license, and
Novell donated it, then charges can only apply to new distributed code
from Novell as of the date of the change.  I don't think that they can
rewrite history and attempt to collect things that were donated in the
past...

    -- Mike
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From niceguyj at comcast.net  Tue Nov  7 21:00:22 2006
From: niceguyj at comcast.net (Jim Sculley)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:00:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird attahcements don't work,
 anyone else made it work?
In-Reply-To: <4550EB50.8000409@fayettedigital.com>
References: <4550EB50.8000409@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <45513A36.4060003@comcast.net>

Jim wrote:
> I've noticed that some attachments open inline, since I do have that 
> option file/open attachments inline, but others don't and I don't seem 
> to be able to associate file types with programs.
> When I go to preferences/attachments/view & edit view and edit actions/ 
> I get a screen that won't let me do anything.  The only thing I can do 
> is close.  There are no extensions, file type or action in the table.  
> Searhing doesn't do squat and clear just clears what I typed in.  There 
> doesn't seem to be an "add action" option.

On my machine, there is one action in the list for TIF files.  So 
something added an action there, but I don't know what.

mozillaZine has an article on the 'mimeTypes.rdf' file which is where 
the actions are located:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/MimeTypes.rdf

And some support forum info:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=481811&highlight=view+edit+actions

Apparently, the easiest wasy to add an action is to send yourself a 
message with the type of attachment you want to add.

Jim S.




From gonzas at gonzas.net  Tue Nov  7 22:09:44 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 00:09:44 -0300
Subject: [ale] Cafeconf BsAr
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>

En este mes ,. nos juntaremos en buenos aires ,. en la universidad de Uba
para celebrar CAFECONF
En el congreso vamos a tener visitas seguramente de John Maddog ,. entre
otros ...
De confirmar mi presencia ,. estare hablando sobre Seguridad de correo,
firma digital y metodos criptograficos.

Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y porque no
de ustedes de ALE

saludos

Gonzalo Seoane
www.gonzas.net
gonzas at gonzas.net
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From hscast at charter.net  Tue Nov  7 22:26:17 2006
From: hscast at charter.net (Scott Castaline)
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 22:26:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] Cafeconf BsAr
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1162956377.6168.1.camel@localhost>

No comprende espanol
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 00:09 -0300, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> En este mes ,. nos juntaremos en buenos aires ,. en la universidad de
> Uba para celebrar CAFECONF
> En el congreso vamos a tener visitas seguramente de John Maddog ,.
> entre otros ...
> De confirmar mi presencia ,. estare hablando sobre Seguridad de
> correo, firma digital y metodos criptograficos. 
> 
> Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y
> porque no de ustedes de ALE 
> 
> saludos
> 
> Gonzalo Seoane
> www.gonzas.net
> gonzas at gonzas.net 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu  Wed Nov  8 01:07:13 2006
From: bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu (Brian Pitts)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 01:07:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] Cafeconf BsAr
In-Reply-To: <fc.3b9aca00838968d23b9aca00b10358f9.306e7a7d@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.3b9aca00838968d23b9aca00b10358f9.306e7a7d@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <45517411.4050909@learnlink.emory.edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
> No comprende espanol
Babelfish almost does.
> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 00:09 -0300, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> > En este mes ,. nos juntaremos en buenos aires ,. en la universidad de
> > Uba para celebrar CAFECONF
In this month. we will join ourselves in Buenos Aires. in the university 
of Uba to celebrate CAFECONF
> > En el congreso vamos a tener visitas seguramente de John Maddog ,.
> > entre otros ...
In the congress we are going to have visits of John Maddog surely. among 
others...
> > De confirmar mi presencia ,. estare hablando sobre Seguridad de
> > correo, firma digital y metodos criptograficos.
to confirm my presence. estare speaking on Security of mail, signs 
criptograficos digitalis and metodos.
> > Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y
> > porque no de ustedes de ALE
> >
I hope that in algun moment we pruned to have but visits of the North 
and because not of you of ALE
> > saludos
>
greetings
> > Gonzalo Seoane

http://www.cafeconf.org/modules/edito/content.php?id=3


From pilarlosada at comcast.net  Wed Nov  8 05:53:22 2006
From: pilarlosada at comcast.net (andy whitten)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:53:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Cafeconf BsAr
In-Reply-To: <1162956377.6168.1.camel@localhost>
References: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162956377.6168.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1162983202.16635.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>

Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y porque
no de ustedes de ALE 

saludos
Translation

I hope that some day   we can have more vists (visitors) from the North
and why not you all from Ale. 

regards, 

I lived in Spain from 2000 -03.



On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 22:26 -0500, Scott Castaline wrote:
> No comprende espanol
> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 00:09 -0300, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> > En este mes ,. nos juntaremos en buenos aires ,. en la universidad de
> > Uba para celebrar CAFECONF
> > En el congreso vamos a tener visitas seguramente de John Maddog ,.
> > entre otros ...
> > De confirmar mi presencia ,. estare hablando sobre Seguridad de
> > correo, firma digital y metodos criptograficos. 
> > 
> > Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y
> > porque no de ustedes de ALE 
> > 
> > saludos
> > 
> > Gonzalo Seoane
> > www.gonzas.net
> > gonzas at gonzas.net 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Wed Nov  8 06:49:26 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:49:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird attahcements don't work,
 anyone else made it work?
In-Reply-To: <45513A36.4060003@comcast.net>
References: <4550EB50.8000409@fayettedigital.com>
	<45513A36.4060003@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4551C446.4040501@fayettedigital.com>

Thanks, Jim.

Well, the only problem with that is that Thunderbird never gives me an 
option to tell him what to do with the attachment when I double click on 
it.  Scratching my nose is more rewarding than double clicking.  I even 
tried a right click/open, but that does nothing.  It just ignores me. 

Jim.

Jim Sculley wrote:
> Apparently, the easiest wasy to add an action is to send yourself a 
> message with the type of attachment you want to add.
>
> Jim S.
>
>   



From householdwords at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 09:36:29 2006
From: householdwords at gmail.com (H P Ladds)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:36:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
	<20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>
	<1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <87c8039b0611080636l3ace4123l4df08ee78fdecee9@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/6/06, James P. Kinney III <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote:
>
> Good point. But I am cynical enough to see it from a different
> standpoint:
>
> M$ funded the SCO debacle. They thought they could shut down Linux that
> way. But during the mess, it was revealed that the code SCO is claiming
> they "own" and thus is the core of the infringement is actually "owned"
> by Novell. Thus the M$ interest in Novell is not so much to sway it's
> big buyers into placation by actually offering better interoperability.
> If they are able to leverage a strategic partnership into a co-ownership
> of Novell code, they can require a license fee for the use of that code
> and effectively shut down RedHat and everyone else. Thus M$ can then
> claim the interoperability issue is _caused_ by Linux as they have
> "stolen" M$ property.


Goldman Sach's analysis...

> <snip>
> it is curious as to why Microsoft would make such a large payment to
> Novell...
>
> since the agreement does involve the cross licensing of patents, we
> suspect
> Microsoft's motivations may have significantly been to resolve patent
> related
> issues. Although the two companies did settle patent issues related to
> Netware and anti-trust issues in 2004, this did not appear to resolve all
> outstanding patent issues, and we believe the substance of this latest
> agreement may relate to the resolution of some of the outstanding patent
> issues. The financial arrangement appears too one sided to simply reflect
> joint development activities and royalties to Microsoft for the use of its
> intellectual property in Linux. We are unsure of any specifics at this
> point,
> but we do believe the patent issues of the agreement are the more
> substantives ones.
>

It's possible M$ figured that they might as well buy Novell as opposed to
paying them big bucks to settle intellectual property issues.

More ominously, M$ bought Novell's patents, and intends to enforce them.

Can I call M$ "Microvell" now, or is that a better name for Suse? :)
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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 10:02:10 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:02:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] Interesting note from the Wall Street Journal today
In-Reply-To: <87c8039b0611080636l3ace4123l4df08ee78fdecee9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3E0B5E3@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<454A528D.5080408@bellsouth.net>
	<20061106160401.GB24920@verysecurelinux.com>
	<1162875384.17927.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
	<87c8039b0611080636l3ace4123l4df08ee78fdecee9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611080702h32cb2407qb5cb3540ef29736c@mail.gmail.com>

PJ's take on this is pretty hostile. She believes that it's the beginning of
a patent-based attack on the use of open-source software, and that it
basically violates the GPL as well.

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061107194320461

So far the FSF doesn't seem to be reacting.

-- CHS

On 11/8/06, H P Ladds <householdwords at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/6/06, James P. Kinney III <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > Good point. But I am cynical enough to see it from a different
> > standpoint:
> >
> > M$ funded the SCO debacle. They thought they could shut down Linux that
> > way. But during the mess, it was revealed that the code SCO is claiming
> > they "own" and thus is the core of the infringement is actually "owned"
> > by Novell. Thus the M$ interest in Novell is not so much to sway it's
> > big buyers into placation by actually offering better interoperability.
> > If they are able to leverage a strategic partnership into a co-ownership
> > of Novell code, they can require a license fee for the use of that code
> > and effectively shut down RedHat and everyone else. Thus M$ can then
> > claim the interoperability issue is _caused_ by Linux as they have
> > "stolen" M$ property.
>
>
> Goldman Sach's analysis...
>
> > <snip>
> > it is curious as to why Microsoft would make such a large payment to
> > Novell...
> >
> > since the agreement does involve the cross licensing of patents, we
> > suspect
> > Microsoft's motivations may have significantly been to resolve patent
> > related
> > issues. Although the two companies did settle patent issues related to
> > Netware and anti-trust issues in 2004, this did not appear to resolve
> > all
> > outstanding patent issues, and we believe the substance of this latest
> > agreement may relate to the resolution of some of the outstanding patent
> > issues. The financial arrangement appears too one sided to simply
> > reflect
> > joint development activities and royalties to Microsoft for the use of
> > its
> > intellectual property in Linux. We are unsure of any specifics at this
> > point,
> > but we do believe the patent issues of the agreement are the more
> > substantives ones.
> >
>
> It's possible M$ figured that they might as well buy Novell as opposed to
> paying them big bucks to settle intellectual property issues.
>
> More ominously, M$ bought Novell's patents, and intends to enforce them.
>
> Can I call M$ "Microvell" now, or is that a better name for Suse? :)
>
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From Aaron.Klepinger at CompuCredit.com  Wed Nov  8 10:37:56 2006
From: Aaron.Klepinger at CompuCredit.com (Klepinger, Aaron)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:37:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT Anyone know about Talk America
Message-ID: <E9A08694C7F1D844B66E726C596273EE029FD5C4@CC950EX.ccsouth.cccore.com>

I had the same experience with their phone service as Robert did (more
pricey than Bellsouth after junk fees), but I don't know much about
their DSL.  I believe Bellsouth is the cheapest in town right now for
DSL, though. 

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Robert Reese
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:22 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] OT Anyone know about Talk America

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  *********** On 10/27/2006 at 1:11 PM linux
wrote:

>A friend of mine that really does not understand Phone and DSL packages

>told me he had a call from Talk America.
>
>I looked at their web page and it looks OK but was wondering if anyone 
>has any experience with their phone and especially the DSL service they

>offer.

Hi JT,

After the hidden fees, surcharges, and extra charges to which I did not
agree but they felt compelled to add, the bill was larger than
Hellsouth.  Obviously, I dumped them.  I'd recommend staying
fa-a-a-a-a-r away.

Cheers,
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From scc4fun at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 11:02:55 2006
From: scc4fun at gmail.com (S C C)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 11:02:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] Thunderbird attahcements don't work,
	anyone else made it work?
In-Reply-To: <4551C446.4040501@fayettedigital.com>
References: <4550EB50.8000409@fayettedigital.com>
	<45513A36.4060003@comcast.net> <4551C446.4040501@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <ef3819d0611080802q7170a6f6m553a6a3132017f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/8/06, Jim <ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Jim.
>
> Well, the only problem with that is that Thunderbird never gives me an
> option to tell him what to do with the attachment when I double click on
> it.  Scratching my nose is more rewarding than double clicking.  I even
> tried a right click/open, but that does nothing.  It just ignores me.
>
> Jim.
>
> Jim Sculley wrote:
> > Apparently, the easiest wasy to add an action is to send yourself a
> > message with the type of attachment you want to add.
> >
> > Jim S.
> >
> >

Jim,

It sounds like you may have thunderbird set to automatically save
files instead of opening them. This article in the mozillazine kb may
help:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Actions_for_attachment_file_types


SCC

-- 
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mohandas Gandhi


From habieb at myrealbox.com  Wed Nov  8 11:31:13 2006
From: habieb at myrealbox.com (H. Bieber)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:31:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] ALE Central meeting 11/9??
Message-ID: <1163003473.c7f27a1chabieb@myrealbox.com>

Is there a meeting tomorrow night? If so, what is the topic?

Harold





From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 14:09:26 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:09:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
Message-ID: <1163012966.10414.3.camel@pepper>

I've got a small problem trying to use my laptop in a dual-headed
configuration.  First off:  It works in Windows.  It (almost) works
under Linux, but there are a few issues:

* The desktops are separate and do not function as one.  Is there a way
to make them function as one unified desktop?
* Any application that makes use of OpenGL (which apparently includes
OpenOffice.org?) does not run; in fact, when in a dual-headed
configuration, the X server dies completely and will not restart without
a reboot of the entire system (subsequent attempts to start it reliably
segfault, with the exact same error message; the segfault goes away once
the system has been rebooted, and never appears at all when in a
single-headed configuration).

Any ideas?  I would like to be able to make use of the 17" external
monitor that I have available for working while I use the laptop's
screen for holding documentation and reference and the like.

    Thanks a million!
    Mike
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From dhurst at mindspring.com  Wed Nov  8 14:20:14 2006
From: dhurst at mindspring.com (Dow_Hurst)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 14:20:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
Message-ID: <26488828.1163013614522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Ati or Nvidia?
Twinview under Nvidia usually makes this easy to setup.  I don't know much about ATI settings.  Xinerama settings would be where to look when trying to unify the desktop if you don't use Twinview.  Newer versions of Xorg have Xinerama enabled for OpenGL acceleration.  I don't think older versions will allow this.  Maybe you need Xorg 8.6.9?  Anyone comment on this?
Thanks,
Dow




-----Original Message-----
>From: "Michael B. Trausch" <fd0man at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 8, 2006 2:09 PM
>To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
>
>I've got a small problem trying to use my laptop in a dual-headed
>configuration.  First off:  It works in Windows.  It (almost) works
>under Linux, but there are a few issues:
>
>* The desktops are separate and do not function as one.  Is there a way
>to make them function as one unified desktop?
>* Any application that makes use of OpenGL (which apparently includes
>OpenOffice.org?) does not run; in fact, when in a dual-headed
>configuration, the X server dies completely and will not restart without
>a reboot of the entire system (subsequent attempts to start it reliably
>segfault, with the exact same error message; the segfault goes away once
>the system has been rebooted, and never appears at all when in a
>single-headed configuration).
>
>Any ideas?  I would like to be able to make use of the 17" external
>monitor that I have available for working while I use the laptop's
>screen for holding documentation and reference and the like.
>
>    Thanks a million!
>    Mike


No sig.


From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 14:32:02 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 14:32:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
In-Reply-To: <26488828.1163013614522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <26488828.1163013614522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1163014322.11946.5.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:20 -0500, Dow_Hurst wrote:

> Ati or Nvidia? Twinview under Nvidia usually makes this easy to setup. 
>  I don't know much about ATI settings.  Xinerama settings would be
>  where to look when trying to unify the desktop if you don't use
>  Twinview.  Newer versions of Xorg have Xinerama enabled for OpenGL
>  acceleration.  I don't think older versions will allow this.  Maybe
>  you need Xorg 8.6.9?  Anyone comment on this? Thanks, Dow


Neither, actually.  The driver that this system uses is i810 for X11,
and i915 for the kernel (see below).  Also, I am running Ubuntu Edgy
Eft, see the version information for X11, also below.

My searching around hasn't helped very much, it seems that there are a
lot of posts that say "how to" for particular configuraitons, but don't
give a nice overview of it.  I will search for the TwinView/Xinerama
that you mentioned, maybe I will even be able to fix the crashing
problem.  I don't want to have to disable 3D accelleration, but I have
considered that to be a possibility if I can't get it to work?after all,
this is my primary system and I need it for work more than play.  It
will just slow some of the rendering down, but I could live with that.

    -- Mike

fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ lsmod | grep '^i[9n]'
i915                   21632  2 
intel_agp              26012  1 
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 

fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver|grep 810
        Driver          "i810"
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 

fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ dmesg|grep agp
[17179581.520000] Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
[17179581.544000] agpgart: Detected an Intel 915GM Chipset.
[17179581.544000] agpgart: Detected 7932K stolen memory.
[17179581.564000] agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xb0000000
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 

fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ xdpyinfo|head -5
name of display:    :0.0
version number:    11.0
vendor string:    The X.Org Foundation
vendor release number:    70101000
X.Org version: 7.1.1
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 

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From aaron at pd.org  Wed Nov  8 15:30:40 2006
From: aaron at pd.org (aaron)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:30:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] ALE Central meeting 11/9??
In-Reply-To: <1163003473.c7f27a1chabieb@myrealbox.com>
References: <1163003473.c7f27a1chabieb@myrealbox.com>
Message-ID: <200611081530.40623.aaron@pd.org>

On Wednesday 08 November 2006 11:31, H. Bieber wrote:
> Is there a meeting tomorrow night? If so, what is the topic?
> 
> Harold

Yes, we have a meeting scheduled for 11/9. Been a little too busy
to post the formal notice on ALE.org, but will do so this evening.

We have scheduled an encore showing of the Lawrence Lessig
keynote speech at Linuxword '06. ( The NE meeting showed it
last month.) Since the talk covers a lot of ground on Open Source
and I.P. law, it seems especially timely.

<only_half_joking_mode>

Attendees of the November meeting are also invited to bring any
SUSE swag or distributions they may have laying about.  I am
trying to arrange for an after-meeting gathering at the nearby RRE
fire pit. where we can drink some ALE while basking in the warm
pyromaniacal flames of torched Micro$U$Em (micro-sues-em) products.

<\only_half_joking_mode>

peace
aaron
  




From dhurst at mindspring.com  Wed Nov  8 16:28:01 2006
From: dhurst at mindspring.com (Dow_Hurst)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:28:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
Message-ID: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Michael,
Twinview is strictly an nvidia option.  I wasn't aware that intel graphics would do OpenGL acceleration natively.  Don't you have to use Mesa for software based OpenGL when you have an intel graphics chipset?
Dow

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Michael B. Trausch" <fd0man at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 8, 2006 2:32 PM
>To: Dow_Hurst <Dow.Hurst at mindspring.com>
>Cc: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
>Subject: Re: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
>
>On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 14:20 -0500, Dow_Hurst wrote:
>
>> Ati or Nvidia? Twinview under Nvidia usually makes this easy to setup. 
>>  I don't know much about ATI settings.  Xinerama settings would be
>>  where to look when trying to unify the desktop if you don't use
>>  Twinview.  Newer versions of Xorg have Xinerama enabled for OpenGL
>>  acceleration.  I don't think older versions will allow this.  Maybe
>>  you need Xorg 8.6.9?  Anyone comment on this? Thanks, Dow
>
>
>Neither, actually.  The driver that this system uses is i810 for X11,
>and i915 for the kernel (see below).  Also, I am running Ubuntu Edgy
>Eft, see the version information for X11, also below.
>
>My searching around hasn't helped very much, it seems that there are a
>lot of posts that say "how to" for particular configuraitons, but don't
>give a nice overview of it.  I will search for the TwinView/Xinerama
>that you mentioned, maybe I will even be able to fix the crashing
>problem.  I don't want to have to disable 3D accelleration, but I have
>considered that to be a possibility if I can't get it to work?after all,
>this is my primary system and I need it for work more than play.  It
>will just slow some of the rendering down, but I could live with that.
>
>    -- Mike
>
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ lsmod | grep '^i[9n]'
>i915                   21632  2 
>intel_agp              26012  1 
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 
>
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep Driver|grep 810
>        Driver          "i810"
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 
>
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ dmesg|grep agp
>[17179581.520000] Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones
>[17179581.544000] agpgart: Detected an Intel 915GM Chipset.
>[17179581.544000] agpgart: Detected 7932K stolen memory.
>[17179581.564000] agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xb0000000
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 
>
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ xdpyinfo|head -5
>name of display:    :0.0
>version number:    11.0
>vendor string:    The X.Org Foundation
>vendor release number:    70101000
>X.Org version: 7.1.1
>fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 
>


No sig.


From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 16:51:14 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:51:14 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
In-Reply-To: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1163022674.5567.3.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:28 -0500, Dow_Hurst wrote:

> Michael,
> Twinview is strictly an nvidia option.  I wasn't aware that intel graphics would do OpenGL acceleration natively.  Don't you have to use Mesa for software based OpenGL when you have an intel graphics chipset?
> Dow


Nope?at least, not to my knowledge.  This display runs faster than any
other thing that I have had, save for my old nVidia card.  It is
definitely not software doing the 3D acceleration.  Compiz worked
wonderfully on this system when I tried it, too, under Dapper.  While
eye-candy isn't my thing, this is a great system.  It's just frustrating
that I don't have a dual-headed display working on it.

I have been at this for 18 hours and still no dice.  :-/

(Yes, having these displays is that important to me...)  The thing I
don't get is this:  It "just works" under Windows.  According to
everything that I am finding on Google, there are people (on every
distribution) that have issues, and yet few solutions are provided, so
far as I can find, anyway.  The few solutions that I have tried from the
Internet don't work very well at all, either; they result in nothing
being displayed on either monitor, with my laptop's LCD monitor doing
some very strange things.

    -- Mike
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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 16:01:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [ale] (no subject)
Message-ID: <400154.30934.qm@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 17:43:49 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:43:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611081419t38fe575cv27010c0130426219@mail.gmail.com>
References: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<1163022674.5567.3.camel@pepper>
	<a3c3e8150611081419t38fe575cv27010c0130426219@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163025829.4696.4.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 17:19 -0500, Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:

> X11 is a complicated and crufty thing.  Still, it is workable, at
> least in theory; I'm using dual-head displays on my Dapper box at
> work.
> 
> Below is a section from my xorg.conf that might be of use with respect
> to combining the two displays into one.  You need to define two
> screens, Screen1 and Screen0, in order to allow this layout.
> 
> As to the OpenGL problem, that's a bit tricker.  I assume you don't
> get crashes in a single-head configuration, right?  Have you tried
> using it with the display solely on the external monitor?  It may be
> something to do with that video port, or it could be a VRAM memory
> problem I suppose.  Don't know what I'd do about either of those
> problems.
> 
> 
> Section "ServerLayout"
>         Identifier     "Xinerama Layout 1 RightOf 0"
>         Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
>         Screen         "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0"
>         InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
>         InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
>         Option         "Xinerama"
> EndSection
> 


This is so confusing.  X needs to be replaced, in all honesty, but that
will not likely *ever* happen.

I have a section like that in mine, but it doesn't work.

3D works in single-head, regardless of which monitor is the single head.
Video RAM is system memory, and the driver can change the amount of
Video RAM available.  I have tried everything up to 128 MB, with zero
success.

I finally found something that I thought might have turned out to be
helpful, but it seems that the person isn't getting help.  It is so far,
the ONLY situation which seems to match my experience entirely:

http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/msg/7a4cd64ebe5dc7c6

It seems that it might be a bug of some sort.  At least that is good, in
that it's a bug and not my own foolishness or something similar.
Nonetheless, it is a rather stupid bug to have in the system, if you ask
me.  :-/

    -- Mike
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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Wed Nov  8 18:52:34 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 18:52:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Losing stability
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611061215k46946599q4e61b06fdd75f882@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3782A45BA03C8A4C849C0E2E9B25962506A86D86@ADAMS.gt.buzz>
	<454F8BB8.1020206@bellsouth.net>
	<4a89f25f0611061145y1e03e979k408700afa9040ad4@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.00249f0f30695e743b9aca00735f8e7e.30696620@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<4a89f25f0611061215k46946599q4e61b06fdd75f882@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611081552l4ed4fdfwbd2f59e75a980526@mail.gmail.com>

And we have Lift-Off.

Marred by a slight hard-drive cabling mix-up which confused grub(8) and
hence me 'til I remembered how I'd organized my three drives.

But after that everything looks ok good right up through XFree86 and xmms. I
am pleased.

-- CHS

On 11/6/06, Charles Shapiro <hooterpincher at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I paid $110 for processor and board. But mine has 3 PCI slots -- which I'm
> gonna need all 3: video card, NIC, and super-duper cool sound card.
>
> -- CHS
>
>
> On 11/6/06, Brian D. Pitts <bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>
> >  *Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts < ale at ale.org> writes:
> > *RIght now I have an AMD Sempron 2800 motherboard w/ processor sitting
> > in my car (in the shade). I reckon that's my next stop on this  particular
> > odyssey.   I was heartened that MicroSeconds (
> > http://www.microseconds.net/  )
> >
> > Did they really charge the $130 listed on their website for that combo?
> > On Newegg the CPU is $40 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104245),
> > and they have nice Socket 754 motherboards around $50 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010200022+1070907494&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=22
> > ).
> >
> > -Brian
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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> >
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:44:18 -0500
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From aaron at pd.org  Thu Nov  9 03:38:53 2006
From: aaron at pd.org (aaron)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 03:38:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] ALE CENTRAL for Thursday, Nov. 9th, 2006
Message-ID: <200611090338.53009.aaron@pd.org>

Our presentation for November 9th will
be an Encore Video Viewing of

Lawrence Lessig's "Creative Commons"
Keynote Address from Linuxworld, 2006

In his keynote from Linuxworld San Francisco,
Professor Lessig describes what he calls the new
era of "Read/Write Culture" that has been revived
by the internet and fueled by Open Source software.
He talks about the technical, political, and social
challenges we face in the changing landscape of
creativity and free expression in the digital age. 

>From his background as a lawyer, Lessig's presentation

addresses the conflicts between creative freedoms and
copyright laws, explaining his motivation for extending
the ideals of the GNU/Linux Public License into the
"remix" and derivative freedoms of Creative Commons
licensing.

===
Bio:
Lawrence Lessig is a Professor of Law at Stanford Law
School and founder of the school's Center for Internet
and Society. Prior to joining the Stanford faculty, he was
the Berkman Professor of Law at Harvard Law School,
and a Professor at the University of Chicago.

He is the author of Free Culture (2004), The Future of
Ideas (2001) and Code and Other Laws of Cyberspace
(1999). He chairs the Creative Commons project, and
serves on the board of the Free Software Foundation,
the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Public Library of
Science, and Public Knowledge.  He is also a columnist
for Wired magazine.

-- In the opinion Marc Torres, an ALE founder and
attendee of Linuxworld 2006:
   "Lawrence Lessig is one of the most engaging speakers
you will ever see.  His examples and explanations of the
complicated issues of Copyright, Economics and Technology
are something you can take with you to any suit, boss, or
politician you will meet."

==========
Meeting time is 7:30pm to ~9:30pm
(The video is about 70 minutes long and should start about 7:45)
Directions to Emory Law School can be found at <http://www.ale.org>  
Central Meeting link of the side bar.



From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Thu Nov  9 07:17:00 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 07:17:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] weird mouse behavior
Message-ID: <200611090717.01500.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>

I am running SUSE 10.1 on a DELL desktop, older Dimension 4400 1.6Ghz 
box.
for a while now I've had this annoying attribute of KDE/Kmail. When you 
select an email in the preview pane header ( pane with subject, 
date,receiver) to open it in the preview window, a 
single-click "sometimes" opens it like you double-clicked it, into its 
own window. I've changed the mouse behavior to double-click selects, 
but it still does the same thing.
not sure where to look, any clues?
 
-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From fd0man at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 08:13:31 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 08:13:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual-headed displays and X.org...
In-Reply-To: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <28686026.1163021282037.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1163078011.5053.25.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 16:28 -0500, Dow_Hurst wrote:

> Michael, Twinview is strictly an nvidia option.  I wasn't aware that
>  intel graphics would do OpenGL acceleration natively.  Don't you have
>  to use Mesa for software based OpenGL when you have an intel graphics
>  chipset? Dow


It turns out that the problem is that it is actually a bug in the
implementation of the X Window System itself.  X.org says that it has
been fixed in their upcoming 7.2 release, and that an upgrade to it
should fix things.

    -- Mike
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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 09:42:01 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 09:42:01 -0500
Subject: [ale] safely stop external USB drive from Linux
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone know of any magic USB utility command to use under Linux to
'safely' stop an external USB hard drive (regular 3.5" drive)?
On my linux desktop, I used to just 'umount /media/biggie && modprobe -r
usb-mass-storage' or alike.  RHAS 4 (CentOS 4).
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From fd0man at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 13:46:16 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 13:46:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] safely stop external USB drive from Linux
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163097976.5053.40.camel@pepper>

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 09:42 -0500, Jerry Yu wrote:

> does anyone know of any magic USB utility command to use under Linux
> to 'safely' stop an external USB hard drive (regular 3.5" drive)? 
> On my linux desktop, I used to just 'umount /media/biggie && modprobe
> -r usb-mass-storage' or alike.  RHAS 4 (CentOS 4). 


I just use umount to unmount the filesystem on the device; that forces
the filesystem to be sync'd, and then the filesystem is unmounted.  So
long as all of the filesystems on the devices are unmounted, it should
be fine.

    -- Mike

--
Michael B. Trausch
                    fd0man at gmail.com
Phone: (404) 592-5746
   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 15:20:20 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:20:20 -0500
Subject: [ale] safely stop external USB drive from Linux
In-Reply-To: <1163097976.5053.40.camel@pepper>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163097976.5053.40.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611091220m1003ae21q6c8cb97ee2f6d9c7@mail.gmail.com>

this doesn't stop device from receiving eletric power from the port.
windows's 'safe stop' would cause the power indicator to go off on my
kingstong flash drive.

On 11/9/06, Michael B. Trausch <fd0man at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 09:42 -0500, Jerry Yu wrote:
>
> does anyone know of any magic USB utility command to use under Linux to
> 'safely' stop an external USB hard drive (regular 3.5" drive)?
> On my linux desktop, I used to just 'umount /media/biggie && modprobe -r
> usb-mass-storage' or alike.  RHAS 4 (CentOS 4).
>
>
> I just use umount to unmount the filesystem on the device; that forces the
> filesystem to be sync'd, and then the filesystem is unmounted.  So long as
> all of the filesystems on the devices are unmounted, it should be fine.
>
>     -- Mike
>
> --
>   Michael B. Trausch  fd0man at gmail.com
>   Phone: (404) 592-5746  Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com
>
> Demand Freedom!  Use *open* and *free* protocols, standards, and software!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From christopher at bergeron.com  Thu Nov  9 16:38:07 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:38:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] Asterisk and Broadvoice?
Message-ID: <45539FBF.9060303@bergeron.com>

Has anyone on here configured Asterisk to work with Broadvoice? 

My IP phones work fine within Asterisk.  Each phone gets an extension, 
and I call among the phones, however, I can't seem to get it to work 
with the Voip service Broadvoice.  They don't offer support for 
Asterisk, however, people online have been able to get the service to 
work, so I know it's compatible.

So, has anyone on here use Asterisk with Broadvoice?

Thanks in advance...





From christopher at bergeron.com  Thu Nov  9 17:07:42 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:07:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>

So George, what did it end up costing you for Mr. Sparky? I'm guessing 
about $300 or so?

Kind regards,
Chris Bergeron




George Carless wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the off-topic post, but I figure you're a knowledgable bunch.  
> I need an electrician to come out to my place and up one of the breakers 
> in our breaker box (previous owners had mismarked the box and the 
> breaker for the dryer is rated lower than the dryer itself)--I'm pretty 
> useless with these things and would probably kill myself if I tried to 
> do it.  Anyone have any recommendations? (I'm in the Oakhurst/Decatur 
> area.)
>
> Thanks,
> --George
> --------------------------------------
> George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
> Words are just dust in deserts of sound
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From fd0man at gmail.com  Thu Nov  9 17:14:07 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 17:14:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] safely stop external USB drive from Linux
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611091220m1003ae21q6c8cb97ee2f6d9c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163097976.5053.40.camel@pepper>
	<4ffdf1bc0611091220m1003ae21q6c8cb97ee2f6d9c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163110447.5053.54.camel@pepper>

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 15:20 -0500, Jerry Yu wrote:

> this doesn't stop device from receiving eletric power from the port.
> windows's 'safe stop' would cause the power indicator to go off on my
> kingstong flash drive.
> 
> 

Interesting.  There is, under GNOME, an "Eject" option for USB media
that might do what you're looking for.  But, as far as I am aware, USB
was designed with plugging/unplugging with the power on in mind; things
get electricity right after you plug them in, for example.

    -- Mike

--
Michael B. Trausch
                    fd0man at gmail.com
Phone: (404) 592-5746
   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

Demand Freedom!  Use open and free protocols, standards, and software!
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov  9 20:01:51 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Cfowler)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:01:51 +0800
Subject: [ale] price
Message-ID: <knkctxhfpxzvenveudd@ale.org>

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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov  9 20:00:06 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 20:00:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xwindows on DOS
Message-ID: <1163120406.23312.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I have an old DOS program I need to run so I loaded up FreeDOS in
vmware.  OpenGem is okay but I remember Xfree running on DOS years ago.
Maybe I'm mistaken.  Anyone know?

Chris




From edgarvega at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  9 20:54:01 2006
From: edgarvega at hotmail.com (Edgar Vega)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:54:01 +0000
Subject: [ale] LAST CHANCE! Von Enterprise FULL Conference pass
	offerAtlanta December
In-Reply-To: <20061108214418.xyoez2ts0w0s080k@webmail.itaki.net>
Message-ID: <BAY122-F20A19EEC0AB3525D115900AFF70@phx.gbl>

Kris, I was out of town, I am interested in VON pass.

Edgar vega
496 radar Drive
Hapeville,ga 30354
edgarvega at hotmail.com

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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Thu Nov  9 21:07:12 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 21:07:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Xwindows on DOS
In-Reply-To: <1163120406.23312.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611092043310.25692-100000@otter.localdomain>

Chris -

Around 1994-5 I used an X-server on DOS. I don't remember the vendor, but
I think it was an Italian company. Their 30-day version was free and for a
fee they sold a key that kept it going indefinitely. It gave me an X11
session on our SunOS box from my office. IIRC the window manager ran on
the host, which made the sessions a bit fragile.

I did a bit of pre-Google searching and it was the best I came up with.
Nothing that really worked on DOS seemed to be free, though there were
some contenders for Win-3.x and a colleague ran remote X-sessions from our
Sun happily on a Macintosh. I think some version of Hummingbird was also
available, but I could mis-remember that.

It doesn't sound like this type of product would help you, but let me know
if you want me to see if it's still among my old disks. (You _do_ have a
5.25" drive, don't you?)

Shortly after I started with Linux and XFree (running Mootif &8-) and
never looked back. Since I had found a very cheap Motif distribution for
our Sun, I then had the same desktop on Linux that our project was using.

 - Mills

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Christopher Fowler wrote:

> I have an old DOS program I need to run so I loaded up FreeDOS in
> vmware.  OpenGem is okay but I remember Xfree running on DOS years ago.
> Maybe I'm mistaken.  Anyone know?
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 

-- 
 - John Mills
   john.m.mills at alum.mit.edu



From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Thu Nov  9 21:07:42 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 21:07:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xwindows on DOS
In-Reply-To: <1163120406.23312.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163120406.23312.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1163124462.17927.88.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

You're looking for dosemu and xdosemu. Both use freedos as the dos
platform and provide a native Linux environment to run it all in. 

It's been a _long_ time since I tinkered with it, but the last time I
did, I was able to run basically any old dos game I found and even had
working sound.

The sound still was crappy but it worked :)

On Thu, 2006-11-09 at 20:00 -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I have an old DOS program I need to run so I loaded up FreeDOS in
> vmware.  OpenGem is okay but I remember Xfree running on DOS years ago.
> Maybe I'm mistaken.  Anyone know?
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
James P. Kinney III          
CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
<jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7
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From rramsdell at livedatagroup.com  Fri Nov 10 09:42:25 2006
From: rramsdell at livedatagroup.com (Randy Ramsdell)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:42:25 -0500
Subject: [ale] [VIRUS_LDG: Worm.Bagle.CP]  price
In-Reply-To: <knkctxhfpxzvenveudd@ale.org>
References: <knkctxhfpxzvenveudd@ale.org>
Message-ID: <45548FD1.5010902@livedatagroup.com>

Cfowler wrote:
> February price
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/al

Why send a virus? Is your client secure?

Randy Ramsdell


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Fri Nov 10 09:51:15 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 09:51:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] [VIRUS_LDG: Worm.Bagle.CP]  price
In-Reply-To: <45548FD1.5010902@livedatagroup.com>
References: <knkctxhfpxzvenveudd@ale.org> <45548FD1.5010902@livedatagroup.com>
Message-ID: <1163170275.23312.60.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 09:42 -0500, Randy Ramsdell wrote:
> Cfowler wrote:
> > February price
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/al
> 
> Why send a virus? Is your client secure?

Mine is but someone else's obviously isn't.  I use Evolution.  I've not
used Outlook or any other windows wares for 5 years.





From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Fri Nov 10 10:07:45 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:07:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] [VIRUS_LDG: Worm.Bagle.CP]  price
In-Reply-To: <1163170275.23312.60.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <knkctxhfpxzvenveudd@ale.org> <45548FD1.5010902@livedatagroup.com>
	<1163170275.23312.60.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <20061110150745.GN14454@rdlg.net>



  I get asked this often.  Someone who is infected has me in their inbox
so their virus picks a random name from the contacts list to set the "From"
and then emails out to another random name.  I then get asked "Why are
you sending me virii?" and they just don't quote get the idea of what a
spoof header/From: means.

Robert



Thus spake Christopher Fowler (cfowler at outpostsentinel.com):

> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 09:42 -0500, Randy Ramsdell wrote:
> > Cfowler wrote:
> > > February price
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/al
> > 
> > Why send a virus? Is your client secure?
> 
> Mine is but someone else's obviously isn't.  I use Evolution.  I've not
> used Outlook or any other windows wares for 5 years.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

:wq!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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                                         @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
DISCLAIMER:
      These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
       ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
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From kafka at antichri.st  Fri Nov 10 10:15:15 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:15:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>

On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 05:07:42PM -0500, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> So George, what did it end up costing you for Mr. Sparky? I'm guessing 
> about $300 or so?

Hi Chris,

You're not too far off.  $29 for the call-out, but then another $160 to 
get the breaker sorted out.  And no rewiring was needed - quite 
expensive for what was no doubt a very simple process, but then that's 
life - I get to charge more than I probably should for developing Web 
sites for people who don't know how to do it themselves, after all!

--George


From jasonday at worldnet.att.net  Fri Nov 10 10:29:39 2006
From: jasonday at worldnet.att.net (Jason Day)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:29:39 -0500
Subject: [ale] safely stop external USB drive from Linux
In-Reply-To: <1163110447.5053.54.camel@pepper>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611090641j48db76d2v980d4306fe921e57@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163097976.5053.40.camel@pepper>
	<4ffdf1bc0611091220m1003ae21q6c8cb97ee2f6d9c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163110447.5053.54.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <20061110152939.GA5859@worldnet.att.net>

On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 05:14:07PM -0500, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> Interesting.  There is, under GNOME, an "Eject" option for USB media
> that might do what you're looking for.  But, as far as I am aware, USB
> was designed with plugging/unplugging with the power on in mind; things
> get electricity right after you plug them in, for example.

There is an eject program for linux that might do what you're looking
for: http://eject.sourceforge.net/  In fact, this is probably the
underlying program that GNOME's eject uses.

Even though it says it is for CDROM devices, it can also be used to stop
USB devices.  I use it to "eject" my ipod, which gets rid of the "Do not
disconnect" message.  I guess it would work on a USB drive.

HTH,
Jason
-- 
Jason Day                                       jasonday at
http://jasonday.home.att.net                    worldnet dot att dot net
 
"Of course I'm paranoid, everyone is trying to kill me."
    -- Weyoun-6, Star Trek: Deep Space 9


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Fri Nov 10 10:45:32 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:45:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
Message-ID: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
another way to convert them?




From james.sumners at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 10:48:44 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:48:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>

lame --decode *.mp3

On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
> in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
> header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> another way to convert them?


-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 10:54:24 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:54:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611100754o3ea3584ck1d8ed150283b5420@mail.gmail.com>

Uuh, I've used LAME ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/lame/ ) for this, when
I wanted to burn an audio CD from a bunch of mp3
files.

-- CHS


On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>
> I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
> in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
> header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> another way to convert them?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Fri Nov 10 11:10:07 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:10:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Is there anything I might have forgotten to do?

[cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ sudo cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 speed=8 -v -eject -
useinfo -pad -audio 01.wav 02.wav 03.wav 04.wav 05.wav 06.wav 07.wav
08.wav 09.wav 10.wav 11.wav 12.wav 13.wav 14.wav 15.wav 16.wav

cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '01.wav'.
[cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ file 01.wav
01.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
stereo 48000 Hz
[cfowler at shuttle WAV]$


On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 10:48 -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> lame --decode *.mp3
> 
> On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
> > in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
> > header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> > another way to convert them?
> 
> 



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Fri Nov 10 11:25:08 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:25:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163175908.23312.73.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Added '-t' to not place a wav header and cdrecord burnt CD!

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 10:48 -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> lame --decode *.mp3
> 
> On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
> > in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
> > header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> > another way to convert them?
> 
> 



From james.sumners at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 11:31:46 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:31:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>

"-audio
If this flag is present, all subsequent tracks are written in CD-DA
(similar to Red Book) audio format. The file with data for this tracks
should contain stereo, 16-bit digital audio with 44100 samples/s. The
byte order should be the following: MSB left, LSB left, MSB right, LSB
right, MSB left and so on. The track should be a multiple of 2352
bytes. It is not possible to put the master image of an audio track on
a raw disk because data will be read in multiple of 2352 bytes during
the recording process."

Your wavs have a sample rate that is too high according to the
cdrecord manpage. That being the case, you may want to do `for f in
`ls -1A *.mp3`; do sox -r 44100 $f $f.wav; done`. You should be able
to burn them then.

On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> Is there anything I might have forgotten to do?
>
> [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ sudo cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 speed=8 -v -eject -
> useinfo -pad -audio 01.wav 02.wav 03.wav 04.wav 05.wav 06.wav 07.wav
> 08.wav 09.wav 10.wav 11.wav 12.wav 13.wav 14.wav 15.wav 16.wav
>
> cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '01.wav'.
> [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ file 01.wav
> 01.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
> stereo 48000 Hz
> [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$
>
>
> On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 10:48 -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> > lame --decode *.mp3
> >
> > On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > > I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play them
> > > in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the MP3
> > > header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> > > another way to convert them?
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From householdwords at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 11:28:39 2006
From: householdwords at gmail.com (H P Ladds)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:28:39 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com> <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>

How was the service -- still good?

When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.

On 11/10/06, George Carless <kafka at antichri.st> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 05:07:42PM -0500, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> > So George, what did it end up costing you for Mr. Sparky? I'm guessing
> > about $300 or so?
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> You're not too far off.  $29 for the call-out, but then another $160 to
> get the breaker sorted out.  And no rewiring was needed - quite
> expensive for what was no doubt a very simple process, but then that's
> life - I get to charge more than I probably should for developing Web
> sites for people who don't know how to do it themselves, after all!
>
> --George
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From jcouncilman at knology.net  Fri Nov 10 11:49:36 2006
From: jcouncilman at knology.net (John C)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:49:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com> <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30309340611100849r64165bfcva458cf5c3de9a438@mail.gmail.com>

My neighbor is fairly good for small jobs like that.  He's fairly
inexpensive and usually can take care of things pretty quickly.


http://daveselectrical.org/

John

On 11/10/06, H P Ladds <householdwords at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How was the service -- still good?
>
> When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
> courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.
>
> On 11/10/06, George Carless <kafka at antichri.st> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 05:07:42PM -0500, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> > > So George, what did it end up costing you for Mr. Sparky? I'm guessing
> > > about $300 or so?
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > You're not too far off.  $29 for the call-out, but then another $160 to
> > get the breaker sorted out.  And no rewiring was needed - quite
> > expensive for what was no doubt a very simple process, but then that's
> > life - I get to charge more than I probably should for developing Web
> > sites for people who don't know how to do it themselves, after all!
> >
> > --George
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
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From ale at sixit.com  Fri Nov 10 12:23:00 2006
From: ale at sixit.com (Robert Reese)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:23:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] Cafeconf BsAr
In-Reply-To: <1162983202.16635.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
References: <a7d4142f0611071909q449fe69dh88f271eaff515aaa@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162956377.6168.1.camel@localhost>
	<1162983202.16635.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>
Message-ID: <200611101223000432.02E7AB07@smtpout.secureserver.net>

In other words, there is a conference at the University of Uba in Buenos Aires, and we're invited.  He is apparently giving a talk on digital signatures and encryption.

I'd go in a heartbeat if I could afford it.  Argentina is beautiful, as are the Argentine people.  (I have a couple of friends whose family is from Argentina.  The pictures they share make me wonder why I'm still here.  And they are the most welcoming and loving family, a stark contrast to us Americans.)

Mucho gracias por su invitaci?n, Gonzalo.

Cheers,
Robert Reese~


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 11/8/2006 at 5:53 AM andy whitten wrote:

>Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y porque
>no de ustedes de ALE 
>
>saludos
>Translation
>
>I hope that some day   we can have more vists (visitors) from the North
>and why not you all from Ale. 
>
>regards, 
>
>I lived in Spain from 2000 -03.
>
>
>
>On Tue, 2006-11-07 at 22:26 -0500, Scott Castaline wrote:
>> No comprende espanol
>> On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 00:09 -0300, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
>> > En este mes ,. nos juntaremos en buenos aires ,. en la universidad de
>> > Uba para celebrar CAFECONF
>> > En el congreso vamos a tener visitas seguramente de John Maddog ,.
>> > entre otros ...
>> > De confirmar mi presencia ,. estare hablando sobre Seguridad de
>> > correo, firma digital y metodos criptograficos. 
>> > 
>> > Espero que en algun momento podamos tener mas visitas del Norte y
>> > porque no de ustedes de ALE 
>> > 
>> > saludos
>> > 
>> > Gonzalo Seoane
>> > www.gonzas.net
>> > gonzas at gonzas.net 
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Ale mailing list
>> > Ale at ale.org
>> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Ale at ale.org
>http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



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From kafka at antichri.st  Fri Nov 10 12:25:23 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>
	<20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>

On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:28:39AM -0500, H P Ladds wrote:
> How was the service -- still good?
> 
> When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
> courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.

Yep, same.  The only thing I would say is that they tried quite hard to 
sell me on a master breaker switch for the breaker box (not sure of 
exact terminology), which had something like a $280 sticker price; I 
passed for the time being (anyone have any thoughts on whether this is 
something worth bothering with?) -- but otherwise they were as you 
describe, and I'd not hesitate to recommend them.

--George


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 12:45:20 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:45:20 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com> <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 12:25 -0500, George Carless wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:28:39AM -0500, H P Ladds wrote:
> > How was the service -- still good?
> > 
> > When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
> > courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.
> 
> Yep, same.  The only thing I would say is that they tried quite hard to 
> sell me on a master breaker switch for the breaker box (not sure of 
> exact terminology), which had something like a $280 sticker price; I 
> passed for the time being (anyone have any thoughts on whether this is 
> something worth bothering with?) -- but otherwise they were as you 
> describe, and I'd not hesitate to recommend them.

A "master breaker" switch probably allows an electrician to cut off the
incoming power to the house at a point before it reaches the breaker
box.  In most homes you have to get the power company on-site to pull
the power meter in order to disconnect power to the breaker box.  I
doubt you need this sort of thing unless you are planning on replacing
your breaker box.

-Jim P.



From kafka at antichri.st  Fri Nov 10 13:06:46 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:06:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>
	<20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
	<1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20061110180646.GA31154@antichri.st>

> > Yep, same.  The only thing I would say is that they tried quite hard to 
> > sell me on a master breaker switch for the breaker box (not sure of 
> > exact terminology), which had something like a $280 sticker price; I 
> > passed for the time being (anyone have any thoughts on whether this is 
> > something worth bothering with?) -- but otherwise they were as you 
> > describe, and I'd not hesitate to recommend them.
> 
> A "master breaker" switch probably allows an electrician to cut off the
> incoming power to the house at a point before it reaches the breaker
> box.  In most homes you have to get the power company on-site to pull
> the power meter in order to disconnect power to the breaker box.  I
> doubt you need this sort of thing unless you are planning on replacing
> your breaker box.

Actually, I think I have the terminology wrong.  This was more of a 
surge protector, rather than a switch (not quite sure why I said 
"switch," in fact) -- apparently to protect appliances in the event of 
lighting etc.

--George


From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 10 13:14:04 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Mailing Lists)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:14:04 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>
	<20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>	<20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
	<1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4554C16C.4040800@bellsouth.net>

Jim Popovitch wrote:

>On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 12:25 -0500, George Carless wrote:
>  
>
>>On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:28:39AM -0500, H P Ladds wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>How was the service -- still good?
>>>
>>>When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
>>>courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.
>>>      
>>>
>>Yep, same.  The only thing I would say is that they tried quite hard to 
>>sell me on a master breaker switch for the breaker box (not sure of 
>>exact terminology), which had something like a $280 sticker price; I 
>>passed for the time being (anyone have any thoughts on whether this is 
>>something worth bothering with?) -- but otherwise they were as you 
>>describe, and I'd not hesitate to recommend them.
>>    
>>
>
>A "master breaker" switch probably allows an electrician to cut off the
>incoming power to the house at a point before it reaches the breaker
>box.  In most homes you have to get the power company on-site to pull
>the power meter in order to disconnect power to the breaker box.  I
>doubt you need this sort of thing unless you are planning on replacing
>your breaker box.
>
>-Jim P.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Ale mailing list
>Ale at ale.org
>http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>  
>
Isn't there a switch in the meter box (right under the meter) for this 
without pulling the actual meter?

Calvin


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 10 13:59:06 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:59:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <4554C16C.4040800@bellsouth.net>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com> <20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>
	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
	<1163180720.9831.2.camel@localhost>
	<4554C16C.4040800@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1163185146.10279.1.camel@localhost>

On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 13:14 -0500, Mailing Lists wrote:
> Isn't there a switch in the meter box (right under the meter) for this 
> without pulling the actual meter?

On some more advanced setups, yes. For instance, apartment/rental homes
might have this sort of setup in order to disconnect non-paying
customers w/o removing the meter.   But not your average home.

-Jim P.





From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 10 14:33:02 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:33:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>	<4553A6AE.9030901@bergeron.com>	<20061110151515.GB18052@antichri.st>	<87c8039b0611100828n34df6829s5a210ba1267ed98d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061110172523.GG18052@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <4554D3EE.208@bellsouth.net>

The National Electrical Code (NFPA70) requires that the power to the 
building or dwelling be able to be turned off with no more than six 
breaker or switch operations.

In other words, if all the power can be turned off by opening no more 
than six breakers, you are in compliance with the current code. If the 
house was wired and inspected under a previous code version, it is 
grandfathered in, unless you have to do something which alters the 
installed distribution panel (such as replace it, or replace the bus 
bars, etc.).

The device they were trying to sell you was a main breaker, which isn't 
required unless you can't comply with the Code as it was when your house 
was built, or if you have to upgrade the panel.

Dan

George Carless wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2006 at 11:28:39AM -0500, H P Ladds wrote:
> 
>>How was the service -- still good?
>>
>>When I've used them they were: careful not to track dirt around the house,
>>courteous, quoted price was the actual price, etc.
> 
> 
> Yep, same.  The only thing I would say is that they tried quite hard to 
> sell me on a master breaker switch for the breaker box (not sure of 
> exact terminology), which had something like a $280 sticker price; I 
> passed for the time being (anyone have any thoughts on whether this is 
> something worth bothering with?) -- but otherwise they were as you 
> describe, and I'd not hesitate to recommend them.
> 
> --George
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 


From christopher at bergeron.com  Fri Nov 10 16:20:08 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:20:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
Message-ID: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>

Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X 
or Linux?


Thanks,
Chris


From rramsdell at livedatagroup.com  Fri Nov 10 16:25:37 2006
From: rramsdell at livedatagroup.com (Randy Ramsdell)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:25:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
References: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <4554EE51.9050506@livedatagroup.com>

Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X 
> or Linux?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>   
softphone or hardphone?

rcr


From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Fri Nov 10 16:41:07 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:41:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
References: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f307774ec3b9aca00ec784a31.30778148@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X 
>or Linux?

I know X-Lite and the Gizmo Project have freeware SIP softphones for OS X. SIP
Communicator and WengoPhone are GPL and have OS X versions, but I think they're
both still under heavy development.

-Brian

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From rb211 at tds.net  Fri Nov 10 16:57:48 2006
From: rb211 at tds.net (William Bagwell)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 16:57:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Electrician needed
In-Reply-To: <1163185146.10279.1.camel@localhost>
References: <20061107193438.GA30258@antichri.st>
	<4554C16C.4040800@bellsouth.net>
	<1163185146.10279.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611101657.48404.rb211@tds.net>

On Friday 10 November 2006 01:59 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On some more advanced setups, yes. For instance, apartment/rental homes
> might have this sort of setup in order to disconnect non-paying
> customers w/o removing the meter. ? But not your average home.

I think they are now required in *some* metro counties for new 
construction. I ended up with one in a round about way, and they are very 
handy when working in the main panel. Don't have to worry about any 
remaining hot lugs when it is turned off up stream.
-- 
William


From gonzas at gonzas.net  Fri Nov 10 20:40:56 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:40:56 -0200
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>

you need lame and other software named Riperx ,...

2006/11/10, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>:
>
> "-audio
> If this flag is present, all subsequent tracks are written in CD-DA
> (similar to Red Book) audio format. The file with data for this tracks
> should contain stereo, 16-bit digital audio with 44100 samples/s. The
> byte order should be the following: MSB left, LSB left, MSB right, LSB
> right, MSB left and so on. The track should be a multiple of 2352
> bytes. It is not possible to put the master image of an audio track on
> a raw disk because data will be read in multiple of 2352 bytes during
> the recording process."
>
> Your wavs have a sample rate that is too high according to the
> cdrecord manpage. That being the case, you may want to do `for f in
> `ls -1A *.mp3`; do sox -r 44100 $f $f.wav; done`. You should be able
> to burn them then.
>
> On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > Is there anything I might have forgotten to do?
> >
> > [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ sudo cdrecord dev=ATA:1,1,0 speed=8 -v -eject -
> > useinfo -pad -audio 01.wav 02.wav 03.wav 04.wav 05.wav 06.wav 07.wav
> > 08.wav 09.wav 10.wav 11.wav 12.wav 13.wav 14.wav 15.wav 16.wav
> >
> > cdrecord: Inappropriate audio coding in '01.wav'.
> > [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$ file 01.wav
> > 01.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
> > stereo 48000 Hz
> > [cfowler at shuttle WAV]$
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 10:48 -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> > > lame --decode *.mp3
> > >
> > > On 11/10/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > > > I have some MP3's that I want to convert back to WAV so I can play
> them
> > > > in my car.  I normally use mpg123 but it is complaining about the
> MP3
> > > > header on the files.  Mplayer has no problem playing them.  Is there
> > > > another way to convert them?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> --
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
> CH:D 59
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



-- 
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From james.sumners at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 23:03:45 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:03:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611102003p7bcd73c5q544db9d39c3eea2@mail.gmail.com>

No, not really. Truly, all is needed is sox with MP3 support. Or, he
could have used mplayer to convert them. Or 5gajillion other things.
But only one piece of software to decode and one to burn; not two to
decode.

On 11/10/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> you need lame and other software named Riperx ,...

-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From gonzas at gonzas.net  Fri Nov 10 23:43:12 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 01:43:12 -0300
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611102003p7bcd73c5q544db9d39c3eea2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed62030a0611102003p7bcd73c5q544db9d39c3eea2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611102043j74d82ce6u1adaea9623b75448@mail.gmail.com>

with lame you cane decode on a console ,.. with riperx and lame install you
cant do this on "X" ,..if you want to do that on x,. if not ,... only need
is lame ,.. and like say James Summers a burning software ..( i use Gnome
but K3b is very good to burn cds )


2006/11/11, James Sumners <james.sumners at gmail.com>:
>
> No, not really. Truly, all is needed is sox with MP3 support. Or, he
> could have used mplayer to convert them. Or 5gajillion other things.
> But only one piece of software to decode and one to burn; not two to
> decode.
>
> On 11/10/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> > you need lame and other software named Riperx ,...
>
> --
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
>
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
>
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
> CH:D 59
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



-- 
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From james.sumners at gmail.com  Fri Nov 10 23:55:21 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:55:21 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611102043j74d82ce6u1adaea9623b75448@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed62030a0611102003p7bcd73c5q544db9d39c3eea2@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7d4142f0611102043j74d82ce6u1adaea9623b75448@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611102055w742877bexafc71cc3a877d1da@mail.gmail.com>

If you are doing all the operations in a GUI environment, then there
is also no need for multiple utilities. Those that you directly
interact with, anyway. K3b is a frontend to lame, sox, cdrecord, et
al. In other words, all you need for burning an audio CD from MP3s is
K3b (if that is the software you want to use). K3b will do all of the
decoding for you.

On 11/10/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> with lame you cane decode on a console ,.. with riperx and lame install you
> cant do this on "X" ,..if you want to do that on x,. if not ,... only need
> is lame ,.. and like say James Summers a burning software ..( i use Gnome
> but K3b is very good to burn cds )

-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From villyard at comcast.net  Sat Nov 11 09:53:46 2006
From: villyard at comcast.net (Katherine Villyard)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:53:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
References: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <4555E3FA.9070605@comcast.net>

Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X 
> or Linux?
>   

Gizmo works. The person I wanted to talk to had OS X, so that was a
consideration for me, too.


From colbert.brandon at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 13:51:48 2006
From: colbert.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Colbert)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 13:51:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] MisterHouse
Message-ID: <736a7bae0611111051u3ec739b2pdf9f89803b604d5a@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone run Misterhouse?  I have a problem getting it to open the serial
port.
Any suggestion?

can't open device: COM1

Also, where is a good place of reference?
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From rsj at radio.org  Sat Nov 11 15:01:51 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:01:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] MisterHouse
In-Reply-To: <736a7bae0611111051u3ec739b2pdf9f89803b604d5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0611111051u3ec739b2pdf9f89803b604d5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163275311.4091.5.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>

I don't run Misterhouse 'yet'.  Last time I looked it it didn't support
the USB x-10 interface.  It has been a while. You just pinged my brain
to check it out again.  I kinda of hate to have a windows system running
here :-)


On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 13:51 -0500, Brandon Colbert wrote:
> Does anyone run Misterhouse?  I have a problem getting it to open the
> serial port.
> Any suggestion?
> 
> can't open device: COM1
> 
> Also, where is a good place of reference?
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
Randy's Ham Shack
<rsj at radio.org>
FWD# 654871



From colbert.brandon at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 15:07:36 2006
From: colbert.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Colbert)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:07:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] MisterHouse
In-Reply-To: <1163275311.4091.5.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
References: <736a7bae0611111051u3ec739b2pdf9f89803b604d5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163275311.4091.5.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
Message-ID: <736a7bae0611111207l65ed9d65ud4d2e160bf334ef2@mail.gmail.com>

I have the CM11 serial interface. That one is supported by Misterhouse.

But i keep getting this: can't open device: COM1  when it starts. Any help
to get that working will be greatly appreciated.

On 11/11/06, Randal Jarrett <rsj at radio.org> wrote:
>
> I don't run Misterhouse 'yet'.  Last time I looked it it didn't support
> the USB x-10 interface.  It has been a while. You just pinged my brain
> to check it out again.  I kinda of hate to have a windows system running
> here :-)
>
>
> On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 13:51 -0500, Brandon Colbert wrote:
> > Does anyone run Misterhouse?  I have a problem getting it to open the
> > serial port.
> > Any suggestion?
> >
> > can't open device: COM1
> >
> > Also, where is a good place of reference?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> --
> Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
> Randy's Ham Shack
> <rsj at radio.org>
> FWD# 654871
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 15:21:56 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:21:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] MisterHouse
In-Reply-To: <736a7bae0611111207l65ed9d65ud4d2e160bf334ef2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0611111051u3ec739b2pdf9f89803b604d5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163275311.4091.5.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
	<736a7bae0611111207l65ed9d65ud4d2e160bf334ef2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611111221u24d5d93hda74000581b004d8@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like it can't open com1.

What is plugged in to the serial port? Have you got privilege to open the
com1 device from the user you're running MrHouse from? What does
setserial(8) report? Is this the first time you've tried to use a serial
port from this machine? If so, are you sure that setserial(8) has run at
some point during startup? How come it's looking for a "com1" device when on
a linux system it should be looking for "/dev/ttyS0"  or "/dev/cua0" ? Do
you need to set up a softlink in dev called "com1" pointing to cua0 or
ttyS0?  Are these devices properly set up in /dev atall?

I'm not familiar with MrHouse (although I've used some X10 stuff under
linux), but it seems like this should be amenable to  standard linux serial
port troubleshooting (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html ) .  If I were
you, I'd probably look at MrHouse's configuration first, though. That com1
thing might be a MrHouse idiom for "the serial port", defined as a linux
device. Or it might be that the config line itself is wrong-o.

That's the help I can give you from your message.

-- CHS


On 11/11/06, Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have the CM11 serial interface. That one is supported by Misterhouse.
>
> But i keep getting this: can't open device: COM1  when it starts. Any help
> to get that working will be greatly appreciated.
>
> On 11/11/06, Randal Jarrett <rsj at radio.org> wrote:
> >
> > I don't run Misterhouse 'yet'.  Last time I looked it it didn't support
> > the USB x-10 interface.  It has been a while. You just pinged my brain
> > to check it out again.  I kinda of hate to have a windows system running
> >
> > here :-)
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 13:51 -0500, Brandon Colbert wrote:
> > > Does anyone run Misterhouse?  I have a problem getting it to open the
> > > serial port.
> > > Any suggestion?
> > >
> > > can't open device: COM1
> > >
> > > Also, where is a good place of reference?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > --
> > Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
> > Randy's Ham Shack
> > <rsj at radio.org>
> > FWD# 654871
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
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From christopher at bergeron.com  Sat Nov 11 17:36:58 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:36:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT:  Electrical question...
Message-ID: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>

Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?

Is it best to have the iron on for a long time (hour or two), or turn it 
on and off between uses (use for 10 minutes, turn off for 10 mins, etc).

Does the heating and cooling of the tip cause it to wear out or is it 
duration of heat?

Thanks and sorry for the OT post, but I can't think of any other crowd 
that might have a suggestion here.

Kind regards,
CB





From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Sat Nov 11 18:02:03 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:02:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT: Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>

Well, what I was taught was to wipe the tip clean after every session, and
then unscrew it a little from the
soldering iron with a pair of pliers while it's still hot. That way, it
won't freeze up in there and you can replace it easily
when the time comes.  I'd also lean toward keeping it hot; mostly the
cycling is what harms electrical equipment.

-- CHS


On 11/11/06, Christopher Bergeron <christopher at bergeron.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?
>
> Is it best to have the iron on for a long time (hour or two), or turn it
> on and off between uses (use for 10 minutes, turn off for 10 mins, etc).
>
> Does the heating and cooling of the tip cause it to wear out or is it
> duration of heat?
>
> Thanks and sorry for the OT post, but I can't think of any other crowd
> that might have a suggestion here.
>
> Kind regards,
> CB
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From puck at dp-indexing.com  Sat Nov 11 18:35:57 2006
From: puck at dp-indexing.com (Jack Schneider)
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:35:57 -0600
Subject: [ale] WAY OT: Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
	<4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45565E5D.4030409@dp-indexing.com>

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Hi, BTW I agree with CHS, leave ti on..  Another tip-
if going to be idle for a while make sure it's well tinned in the work
area (tip) and just wipe with a damp cloth or sponge before reuse.

PS, I spent twenty years in circuit board manufacturing.  8-(

Have a great day
Jack

Charles Shapiro wrote:
> Well, what I was taught was to wipe the tip clean after every session,
> and then unscrew it a little from the
> soldering iron with a pair of pliers while it's still hot. That way, it
> won't freeze up in there and you can replace it easily
> when the time comes.  I'd also lean toward keeping it hot; mostly the
> cycling is what harms electrical equipment.
> 
> -- CHS
> 
> 
> On 11/11/06, *Christopher Bergeron* <christopher at bergeron.com
> <mailto:christopher at bergeron.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?
> 
>     Is it best to have the iron on for a long time (hour or two), or turn it
>     on and off between uses (use for 10 minutes, turn off for 10 mins, etc).
> 
>     Does the heating and cooling of the tip cause it to wear out or is it
>     duration of heat?
> 
>     Thanks and sorry for the OT post, but I can't think of any other crowd
>     that might have a suggestion here.
> 
>     Kind regards,
>     CB
> 
> 
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Ale mailing list
>     Ale at ale.org <mailto:Ale at ale.org>
>     http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>     <http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Sun Nov 12 09:58:22 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:58:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
Message-ID: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

I'm looking for a new color printer, as the one I have (a hand-me down to 
begin with) has given up the ghost.  There are currently four zillion color 
printers on the market, as near as I can tell. 

Can anyone recommend a site that provides a good comparison chart for such?

Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?

Thanks
David


From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Sun Nov 12 10:04:17 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:04:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <200611121004.17177.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
> I'm looking for a new color printer, as the one I have (a hand-me down to
> begin with) has given up the ghost.  There are currently four zillion color
> printers on the market, as near as I can tell.
>
> Can anyone recommend a site that provides a good comparison chart for such?
>
> Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
>is 

And while low-volume color printing is my primary need, I'm also wondering 
about an 'all-in-one', which I'm sure will add linux complexities.


From drifter at oppositelock.org  Sun Nov 12 10:26:27 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 10:26:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <200611121026.34681.drifter@oppositelock.org>

On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
| Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?

I have an Epson Photo 1270 that can print a wide color
gamut, but it suffers the same problem as all other ink jet
color printers: If you don't use it several times a week the
ink jets clog up and the cartridges are brutally expensive.
It is capable of gallery quality images.

I'm ready to trade it (and my HP 5mp) in for a color laser
printer that can do a "decent" job with a color photo -- I have
discovered it is much cheaper to farm out the gallery-quality
photo prints that try to print them myself.
Advice on _that_ purchase also would be appreciated.

Sean

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From puck at dp-indexing.com  Sun Nov 12 10:35:22 2006
From: puck at dp-indexing.com (Jack Schneider)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:35:22 -0600
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611121004.17177.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<200611121004.17177.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <45573F3A.4050201@dp-indexing.com>

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Hi, David

I have a HP2701 all-in one,  HPlip works fine as driver set.  just
needer to use network cable.  not usb or wireless...

Jack

David Corbin wrote:
> On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
>> I'm looking for a new color printer, as the one I have (a hand-me down to
>> begin with) has given up the ghost.  There are currently four zillion color
>> printers on the market, as near as I can tell.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a site that provides a good comparison chart for such?
>>
>> Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
>> is 
> 
> And while low-volume color printing is my primary need, I'm also wondering 
> about an 'all-in-one', which I'm sure will add linux complexities.
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From james.sumners at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 11:05:42 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:05:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611120805t78e1d025r17bfbf01e06c5955@mail.gmail.com>

I replaced my HP 3820 with an HP 5440 last weekend (it was cheaper
than buying new ink - literally). I got it for $28 at BrandsMart, but
Office Depot had it on sale for $29. Looking at CompUSA yesterday, it
is normally $70.

I have found HP printers to be the easiest to use in Linux.
Particularly since HP officially supports Linux through
http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ .

On 11/12/06, David Corbin <dcorbin at machturtle.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a new color printer, as the one I have (a hand-me down to
> begin with) has given up the ghost.  There are currently four zillion color
> printers on the market, as near as I can tell.
>
> Can anyone recommend a site that provides a good comparison chart for such?
>
> Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
>
> Thanks
> David


-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Sun Nov 12 11:14:15 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 11:14:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611121026.34681.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<200611121026.34681.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <200611121114.15624.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

On Sunday 12 November 2006 10:26, Sean Kilpatrick wrote:
> On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
> | Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
>
> I have an Epson Photo 1270 that can print a wide color
> gamut, but it suffers the same problem as all other ink jet
> color printers: If you don't use it several times a week the
> ink jets clog up and the cartridges are brutally expensive.
> It is capable of gallery quality images.

Still? They haven't go that fixed yet?  If that's the case, I think I'll see 
about printing at Kinkos. I expect my printing to be on the order of 20-30 
pages, once every 3 months at most.



From n4zm at mindspring.com  Sun Nov 12 06:40:03 2006
From: n4zm at mindspring.com (zeb)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:40:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT:  Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <200611120640.03612.n4zm@mindspring.com>

On Saturday 11 November 2006 05:36 pm, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?

I don't know that I can tell you the "best" way, but I can tell you what I do.  
I use a Dreml speed control.  When I'm not actively soldering, I  turn the 
speed control down.  I turn it up when soldering.  Doing that preserves the 
tip and reduces the time to get the iron "up to speed."  I suppose a light 
dimmer switch  might do the same thing, but I have never tried it.

If you want to go really  high end, there are some soldering stations that 
claim to maintain a constant temperature.  Check with Austin Electronics on 
that one.

Regards, Zeb


From fd0man at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 12:43:43 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:43:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611121114.15624.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<200611121026.34681.drifter@oppositelock.org>
	<200611121114.15624.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <1163353423.4675.20.camel@pepper>

On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 11:14 -0500, David Corbin wrote:

> On Sunday 12 November 2006 10:26, Sean Kilpatrick wrote:
> > On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
> > | Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
> >
> > I have an Epson Photo 1270 that can print a wide color
> > gamut, but it suffers the same problem as all other ink jet
> > color printers: If you don't use it several times a week the
> > ink jets clog up and the cartridges are brutally expensive.
> > It is capable of gallery quality images.
> 
> Still? They haven't go that fixed yet?  If that's the case, I think I'll see 
> about printing at Kinkos. I expect my printing to be on the order of 20-30 
> pages, once every 3 months at most.
> 


The best printing solutions rest in the PostScript or PCL capable
printers.  Of course, the cost on them can vary.  I have a Lexmark E240
which I bought at NewEgg.com for about $130 (on sale), and it is
wonderful.  The E240n has an Ethernet interface, as well, and can speak
PostScript--the E240 (no 'n') just does PCL 6, though support for that
is fine as well.

There is a printer on NewEgg right now
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16828106373) that is
color, supports PCL 5/6, PostScript 3, and PDF 1.5, and is not as
expensive as these types of printers used to be ($475 + S&H).  Though,
that is still a bit expensive.  I plan on buying a color laser when the
PostScript/PCL compatible ones comes down to about $200-$300, if/when
that happens.  Though, personally, I would prefer a non-color printer
that does finishing and duplex...

    -- Mike

--
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                    fd0man at gmail.com
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From fd0man at gmail.com  Sun Nov 12 12:50:31 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:50:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
Message-ID: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>

Okay... so searching still yields me naught, and I am wondering if
anyone might happen to know of a good solution for the problem that I
have:  I need to design a highly complex database (comparatively to what
one can conjure up in one's mind; it is probably rather simplistic
compared to some of the databases that I've seen in the past).  I can do
this in raw SQL, but I'd rather not.  It takes forever.  :-)

That having been said, is there any free (libre) software that anyone
has seen that is good with providing a user interface to create complex
databases in a better way?  I've seen pgAdmin and phpPgAdmin, but those
are more management solutions for databases already running and aren't
really ideal for creating something that has hundreds of tables.  I
would like something where I can simply define the fields, connect
related fields together, and have the system come up with the actual
(lengthy!) SQL code to execute to create the database so that I can get
to programming the application that is going to run on the database.
Ideally, I would be able to retain the database layout in a file that
can be later re-used as a reference to program against.

Any ideas?

    -- Mike

--
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                    fd0man at gmail.com
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From ale at sixit.com  Sun Nov 12 15:37:15 2006
From: ale at sixit.com (Robert Reese)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:37:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT: Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <45565E5D.4030409@dp-indexing.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
	<4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<45565E5D.4030409@dp-indexing.com>
Message-ID: <200611121537150374.006D7EB3@smtpout.secureserver.net>

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 11/11/2006 at 5:35 PM Jack Schneider wrote:

>Hi, BTW I agree with CHS, leave ti on..  Another tip-
>if going to be idle for a while make sure it's well tinned in the work
>area (tip) and just wipe with a damp cloth or sponge before reuse.
>
>PS, I spent twenty years in circuit board manufacturing.  8-(


Ditto.  Almost twenty years ago I worked for a company that made electronic scales.  The tech there never turned his iron off, and he told me to *always* to keep it tinned, just like Jack said.  A neat, simple trick he used to clean it while working was to stick it into a dry cellulose sponge that wiped all of the grime off, then retinned it.

Robert~



>Charles Shapiro wrote:
>> Well, what I was taught was to wipe the tip clean after every session,
>> and then unscrew it a little from the
>> soldering iron with a pair of pliers while it's still hot. That way, it
>> won't freeze up in there and you can replace it easily
>> when the time comes.  I'd also lean toward keeping it hot; mostly the
>> cycling is what harms electrical equipment.
>> 
>> -- CHS
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/11/06, *Christopher Bergeron* <christopher at bergeron.com
>> <mailto:christopher at bergeron.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>     Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?
>> 
>>     Is it best to have the iron on for a long time (hour or two), or
>turn it
>>     on and off between uses (use for 10 minutes, turn off for 10 mins,
>etc).
>> 
>>     Does the heating and cooling of the tip cause it to wear out or is it
>>     duration of heat?
>> 
>>     Thanks and sorry for the OT post, but I can't think of any other
>crowd
>>     that might have a suggestion here.
>> 
>>     Kind regards,
>>     CB
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>     Ale at ale.org <mailto:Ale at ale.org>
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 12 18:40:38 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:40:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] MP3 -> WAV
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611102055w742877bexafc71cc3a877d1da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163173532.23312.66.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100748mc43f9c0jd93f3f6c6d99c4cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163175007.23312.71.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<ed62030a0611100831u5bb99dc9he0c40084fc121969@mail.gmail.com>
	<a7d4142f0611101740q76e5f3br7cd3a803698fb33a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ed62030a0611102003p7bcd73c5q544db9d39c3eea2@mail.gmail.com>
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	<ed62030a0611102055w742877bexafc71cc3a877d1da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163374838.18409.0.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I will try k3b.  I was doing it manually with lame and I used the '-t'
option.  Cdrecord liked the file but car played static.


On Fri, 2006-11-10 at 23:55 -0500, James Sumners wrote:
> If you are doing all the operations in a GUI environment, then there
> is also no need for multiple utilities. Those that you directly
> interact with, anyway. K3b is a frontend to lame, sox, cdrecord, et
> al. In other words, all you need for burning an audio CD from MP3s is
> K3b (if that is the software you want to use). K3b will do all of the
> decoding for you.
> 
> On 11/10/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> > with lame you cane decode on a console ,.. with riperx and lame install you
> > cant do this on "X" ,..if you want to do that on x,. if not ,... only need
> > is lame ,.. and like say James Summers a burning software ..( i use Gnome
> > but K3b is very good to burn cds )
> 



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 12 18:50:12 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 18:50:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT:  Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <200611120640.03612.n4zm@mindspring.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
	<200611120640.03612.n4zm@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1163375412.18409.2.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 06:40 -0500, zeb wrote:
> If you want to go really  high end, there are some soldering stations
> that 
> claim to maintain a constant temperature.

Fry's sells them and you can get them as low as $100.  Those units allow
you to set temp and you can buy different tips.



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 12 20:03:59 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Cfowler)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:03:59 +0800
Subject: [ale] price
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 12 20:54:52 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:54:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
Message-ID: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>

I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?

-Jim P.



From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Sun Nov 12 21:08:34 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:08:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>

Hi Jim

I have never been able to get windows to boot without installing it  
first.  The windows installer will over write your mbr and mess up  
your linux install.  Never figured out how to stop it.   I just  
started doing without windows.

Back in the day, I used to do a clean install of 2K using windows  
installer to set aside a big partition for Linux.

Mark


On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:

> I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
> do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
> win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?
>
> -Jim P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From jeb at rev-x.com  Sun Nov 12 21:10:34 2006
From: jeb at rev-x.com (Jeb Barger)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:10:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4557D41A.70908@rev-x.com>

Jim Popovitch wrote:
> I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
> do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
> win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?
>
> -Jim P.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>   
Vmware?


From gonzas at gonzas.net  Sun Nov 12 22:30:53 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:30:53 -0200
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
	<125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>

maby you want to run a virtual machine ,.. for windows :P ,... you can do
this with vmware ,...
windows over write the media boot record , ( mbr ) and then you will not be
able to boot linux ,.. or maby you can install windows ,... run a live cd
linux and reinstall grub  ( grub-install ) mounting your HD on /boot/grub
and make the reinstall ,.... its only a solution but i dont know if this
works good
2006/11/13, Mark Wright <mpwright at speedfactory.net>:
>
> Hi Jim
>
> I have never been able to get windows to boot without installing it
> first.  The windows installer will over write your mbr and mess up
> your linux install.  Never figured out how to stop it.   I just
> started doing without windows.
>
> Back in the day, I used to do a clean install of 2K using windows
> installer to set aside a big partition for Linux.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote:
>
> > I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
> > do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
> > win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?
> >
> > -Jim P.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
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>



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From rsj at radio.org  Sun Nov 12 23:21:50 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:21:50 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
	<125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>
	<a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163391711.12825.5.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>


The only way that I know of to install windows after you already
have Linux installed is to have a Linux boot disk, Use one of the 
many programs to shrink the Linux partition down to give you room
to install windows.  Use the same partition pkg to make a new partition
in windows format for the version of windows that you are installing
such as fat32 or ntfs.

Then install windows very carefully picking the second partition, 
your new windows partition.

Once windows is installed, use your Linux bootdisk to boot your
Linux partition.

At this point you need to re-setup your boot manager, grub or lilo.

Hopefully if everything goes ok and you prayed to the right gods then
you will now have a dual boot system.

You did make a backup of your important stuff from your Linux partition
didn't you?????

Randy

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 01:30 -0200, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> maby you want to run a virtual machine ,.. for windows :P ,... you can
> do this with vmware ,...
> windows over write the media boot record , ( mbr ) and then you will
> not be able to boot linux ,.. or maby you can install windows ,... run
> a live cd linux and reinstall grub  ( grub-install ) mounting your HD
> on /boot/grub and make the reinstall ,.... its only a solution but i
> dont know if this works good 
> 2006/11/13, Mark Wright <mpwright at speedfactory.net>:
>         Hi Jim
>         
>         I have never been able to get windows to boot without
>         installing it
>         first.  The windows installer will over write your mbr and
>         mess up
>         your linux install.  Never figured out how to stop it.   I
>         just
>         started doing without windows.
>         
>         Back in the day, I used to do a clean install of 2K using
>         windows
>         installer to set aside a big partition for Linux.
>         
>         Mark
>         
>         
>         On Nov 12, 2006, at 8:54 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: 
>         
>         > I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What
>         I want to
>         > do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for
>         testing.  Does
>         > win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other
>         advice? 
>         >
>         > -Jim P.
>         >
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > Ale mailing list
>         > Ale at ale.org
>         > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         Ale mailing list
>         Ale at ale.org
>         http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gonza
> www.gonzas.net
> gonzas at gonzas.net 
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 12 23:27:12 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:27:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
	<125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>
	<a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163392032.24633.5.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 01:30 -0200, Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> maby you want to run a virtual machine ,.. for windows :P ,... you can
> do this with vmware ,...

I already have a copy of win2k in a vm, thus the reason for my original
post specifying installing win2k in a dual-boot setup.  ;-)

> windows over write the media boot record , ( mbr ) and then you will
> not be able to boot linux ,.. or maby you can install windows ,... run
> a live cd linux and reinstall grub  ( grub-install ) mounting your HD
> on /boot/grub and make the reinstall ,.... its only a solution but i
> dont know if this works good 

I know that part, and have done it many times.  What is unclear to me is
does win2k have to be in the first partition.  I'd as Microsoft, but....

-Jim P.



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Mon Nov 13 01:15:28 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:15:28 -0500
Subject: [ale] Asterisk Answer Delay
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f307ba72400249f0f307ba724.307bb9bb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Following the advice I received here, I recently installed Trixbox on an old
Dell with an X100P to test using Asterisk as a voicemail to email bridge. Since
this box is going to be a glorified answering machine, not the heart of a phone
system, I need to configure Asterisk to only answer the line after a certain
number of rings. Does anyone know how to do this? Googling has only revealed
settings for specific hardware (eg the SPA-3000) that I'm not using. I was able
to set up everything else (extensions, routes, receptionist) through the
FreePBX web interface.

Thanks,
Brian

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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Mon Nov 13 07:59:21 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:59:21 -0500
Subject: [ale] Asterisk Answer Delay
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f307ba72400249f0f307ba724.307bb9bb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <fc.00249f0f307ba72400249f0f307ba724.307bb9bb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <1163422761.18409.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>


Check out http://atlaug.com

Local group dedicated to Asterisk.


On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 01:15 -0500, Brian D. Pitts wrote:
> Following the advice I received here, I recently installed Trixbox on
> an old Dell with an X100P to test using Asterisk as a voicemail to
> email bridge. Since this box is going to be a glorified answering
> machine, not the heart of a phone system, I need to configure Asterisk
> to only answer the line after a certain number of rings. Does anyone
> know how to do this? Googling has only revealed settings for specific
> hardware (eg the SPA-3000) that I'm not using. I was able to set up
> everything else (extensions, routes, receptionist) through the FreePBX
> web interface.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From n4zm at mindspring.com  Mon Nov 13 03:04:43 2006
From: n4zm at mindspring.com (zeb)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 03:04:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611130304.43862.n4zm@mindspring.com>

On Sunday 12 November 2006 08:54 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
> do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
> win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?

Everything I have  ever  read says that Windows *must* be the first primary 
partition on the first hard drive.  That means that Linux will need to be on 
the second primary partition or on a logical drive in an extended partition 
and that Linux must be moved back to provide space for the  Windows 
partition.  I have always installed Windows first and then installed Linux.  
Linux can be installed most anywhere.  This system has  Slackware installed 
on hdc5 (first logical drive in an extended partition on the third hard 
drive.    Windows *does* take over the MBR on installation, but running 
"LILO" will rewrite the MBR.  "aefdisk" claims that it can save and restore 
the MBR; again, it's something I haven't tried.

If it is possible, you might think about installing a smallish (5-10 GB) hard 
drive as the first  hard drive (hda) and then installing Windows on it.  Then 
use a boot disk (mount root = hdb or something) or a live CD to install LILO 
or grub and rewrite the MBR.

Sorry, didn't notice you are referring to a laptop.  So a second drive may not 
be practical.  I think parted will move partitions down, but not up.  Could 
be the other way; I've never used it.

Zeb


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Mon Nov 13 08:26:40 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:26:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] What am I missing?
Message-ID: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I need to compile some goods on Xubuntu.  I can not seem to do that.

cfowler at cfowler-laptop:~/mysql-4.1.18$ gcc -o test ./test.c
/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

I'm missing a package.



From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 09:22:00 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:22:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] What am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611130622m1c589d2nb67c885c027fba8f@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, you're missing a package. It's "build-essentials". I installed it when
I discovered I couldn't compile "hello,  world", and it worked for me.

-- CHS


On 11/13/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>
> I need to compile some goods on Xubuntu.  I can not seem to do that.
>
> cfowler at cfowler-laptop:~/mysql-4.1.18$ gcc -o test ./test.c
> /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> I'm missing a package.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From fd0man at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 09:27:40 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:27:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] sed and massively editing files.
Message-ID: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>

I am pretty sure that sed is the tool for what I want to do, but I can't
be sure.  I have it doing everything else that I need.  The lines that I
have are from a ZIP code database in SQL, but I need to make some
formatting fixups to the entire thing (42,320 lines).

Each line is like this:

INSERT INTO zip_summary (zip, city, state, county, area_codes,
city_type, latitude, longitude, time_zone, county_fips, observes_dst)
VALUES ('10452', 'Bronx', 'NY', 'Bronx', '{'347', '646', '718'}', 'P',
40.838324, -73.921892, '-0500', '005', TRUE);

Now, what I need to do is convert the ' characters to be " characters,
but only inside of {...} (where the area code list is).  I can't seem to
figure out how to do that, though, because if I use a s/.../...
expression, it would replace the entire thing, which isn't what I want.
Is there a regex that will say "Match an apostrophe if between squiggly
brackets" so that I can replace each occurrence with a quotation mark?

    -- Mike

--
Michael B. Trausch
                    fd0man at gmail.com
Phone: (404) 592-5746
   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 09:31:53 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:31:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Fwd: FW: Windows sucks
In-Reply-To: <1EF7A5A4BCE43049B39B468DAE084C42039491C4@ATLMSG24.turner.com>
References: <1EF7A5A4BCE43049B39B468DAE084C42039491C4@ATLMSG24.turner.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611130631i3d97b30cw3fd5f6da1b8d7ef2@mail.gmail.com>

Just so we don't lose our Windows-Bashing credentials..

 -- CHS
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 ------------------------------
*From:* Dave Altman
*Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:53 AM
*To:* Shapiro, Charles
*Subject:* Windows sucks

 Hi Charles,

I hope this isn't like the "Chris Bliss" and you gotten dozens of people
sending you these links. This seems like your sense of humor.

Dave

http://www.dusky.sk/pics/2006-07/2463_startrek-bluescreen.gif

<http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Shadkhan1/winxp.jpg>
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Shadkhan1/winxp.jpg
<http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/NarutoSama2/windowsisscrew.png>
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From hscast at charter.net  Mon Nov 13 09:33:18 2006
From: hscast at charter.net (Scott Castaline)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:33:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Low volume color printing
In-Reply-To: <200611121004.17177.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <200611120958.22644.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<200611121004.17177.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <1163428398.6585.7.camel@localhost>

I have the PSC-2610v. Works fine with hplip. Does photo glossies just
fine. When I had originally bought my wife said not to get an
all-in-one, since she already had a fax machine. Six months later the
fax machine died, so my only regret is that I didn't get one the auto
page feed, since all of her faxing are multi-pages. I have also set it
up using the built-in 10Base100 iface. I believe the 2700 series is
replacing the 2600 series. The only extra that I added was a duplexor,
which has worked very well for me.

On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 10:04 -0500, David Corbin wrote:
> On Sunday 12 November 2006 09:58, David Corbin wrote:
> > I'm looking for a new color printer, as the one I have (a hand-me down to
> > begin with) has given up the ghost.  There are currently four zillion color
> > printers on the market, as near as I can tell.
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a site that provides a good comparison chart for such?
> >
> > Any comments on brands to avoid as Linux-unfriendly?
> >is 
> 
> And while low-volume color printing is my primary need, I'm also wondering 
> about an 'all-in-one', which I'm sure will add linux complexities.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Mon Nov 13 09:37:44 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:37:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] What am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611130622m1c589d2nb67c885c027fba8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<4a89f25f0611130622m1c589d2nb67c885c027fba8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163428664.18409.29.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Would you know what this package would be?

checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No
curses/termcap library found


On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 09:22 -0500, Charles Shapiro wrote:
> Yep, you're missing a package. It's "build-essentials". I installed it
> when I discovered I couldn't compile "hello,  world", and it worked
> for me.
> 
> -- CHS
> 
> 
> On 11/13/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>         I need to compile some goods on Xubuntu.  I can not seem to do
>         that.
>         
>         cfowler at cfowler-laptop:~/mysql-4.1.18$ gcc -o test ./test.c
>         /usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
>         collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 
>         
>         I'm missing a package.
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         Ale mailing list
>         Ale at ale.org
>         http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 09:52:32 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:52:32 -0600
Subject: [ale] What am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <1163428664.18409.29.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>	<4a89f25f0611130622m1c589d2nb67c885c027fba8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163428664.18409.29.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455886B0.3040806@gmail.com>

Christopher Fowler wrote:
> Would you know what this package would be?
> 
> checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No
> curses/termcap library found
> 
> 

may not be exactly what you are looking for:

(from the debian pages)

http://packages.debian.org/stable/oldlibs/termcap-compat

Package: termcap-compat
Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.

The termcap-compat package provides the libtermcap.so.2 and /etc/termcap
files which are required to run non-Debian, binary-only termcap-based
programs. Since libc6-based programs are hopefully "modern" enough to be
linked with ncurses (or slang), this package only provides a libc5-based
libtermcap library.

The termcap-compat package isn't meant to be used to compile programs
therefore it doesn't provide all the necessary files for compilation. If
you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, why not try
ncurses's termcap emulation instead? It's as simple as linking with
ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with
'-lncurses' in the makefile). Ncurses' termcap emulation routines
translate terminfo entries to termcap entries on the fly, so you don't
even need an /etc/termcap file.


From pete.hardie at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 09:54:41 2006
From: pete.hardie at gmail.com (Pete Hardie)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:54:41 -0500
Subject: [ale] sed and massively editing files.
In-Reply-To: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>
References: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <31b322400611130654k12281315l4b374519dfb9ec56@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/06, Michael B. Trausch <fd0man at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  I am pretty sure that sed is the tool for what I want to do, but I can't
> be sure.  I have it doing everything else that I need.  The lines that I
> have are from a ZIP code database in SQL, but I need to make some formatting
> fixups to the entire thing (42,320 lines).
>
> Each line is like this:
>
> INSERT INTO zip_summary (zip, city, state, county, area_codes, city_type,
> latitude, longitude, time_zone, county_fips, observes_dst) VALUES ('10452',
> 'Bronx', 'NY', 'Bronx', '{'347', '646', '718'}', 'P', 40.838324, -
> 73.921892, '-0500', '005', TRUE);
>
> Now, what I need to do is convert the ' characters to be " characters, but
> only inside of {...} (where the area code list is).  I can't seem to
> figure out how to do that, though, because if I use a s/.../...expression, it would replace the entire thing, which isn't what I want.  Is
> there a regex that will say "Match an apostrophe if between squiggly
> brackets" so that I can replace each occurrence with a quotation mark?
>


You might need to multi-step the process - use sed to split the existing
lines at the {}, and have the s/{.*'/\"/g, and then  use sed to
pull the lines pack together at the {}




-- 
Pete Hardie
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Mon Nov 13 09:57:09 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:57:09 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database design
Message-ID: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I'm giving a Perl DBI talk at Atlanta PM on Thursday.  I need to create
a sample database design for the code but am at a stand still.  My idea
is to create a Recipe database and I'm going to use this recipe in the
talk:

---- 
Mystery Pecan Pie

Topping:
3 eggs
1/4 cup sugar
1 cup light corn syrup
1 teaspoon vanilla extract

Pie:
1 (8-ounce) package cream cheese
1/3 cup sugar
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 egg
1 un-baked deep-dish (9-inch) pie shell
1 1/4 cups chopped pecans

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.

Combine all topping ingredients in a medium bowl. Set aside.

In a medium bowl, mix cream cheese, sugar, salt, vanilla, and egg
until combined. Pour into pie shell. Top with chopped pecans.
Pour topping over pecans. Bake for 46 minutes. Serve warm or at
room temperature.
-----


Here is the schema:

CREATE TABLE ingredient (
  ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
  name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
  description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(ingredient_id),
  INDEX XAK1level(name)
);

CREATE TABLE recipe (
  recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
  name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
  description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
  directions MEDIUMTEXT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id),
  INDEX XAK1level(name)
);

CREATE TABLE recipe_ingredient_map (
  recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
  ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
  amount VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
  PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id, ingredient_id)
);


Based on this design the recipe can not have two rows in the
recipe_ingredient_map that are the same ingredients.  In the example
recipe eggs are used in the topping and the base.  So this schema will
not work.  Maybe there is a more complex schema that will fit.  Maybe
separate the recipe into parts and have those parts defined in another
table.  I can _easily_ create 1 table with all the rows but I want to
semi-complex example for the talk.  I'm tired of all books and etc using
customer or employee examples.  

Chris




From hunter at gpc.edu  Mon Nov 13 10:02:16 2006
From: hunter at gpc.edu (Hunter Eidson)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:02:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] sed and massively editing files.
In-Reply-To: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>
References: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <455888F8.9090007@gpc.edu>

I'm sure there's a prettier way to do it, but this seems to work...

Create a file called fixup.sed which contains these 3 lines:

:START
s/{\(.*\)'\(.*\)}/{\1\"\2}/g
t START

Now, assuming your data file is datafile.sql, you should be able to run:

sed -f fixup.sed < datafile.sql > new_datafile.sql

Hope this helps...

    --Hunter

Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> I am pretty sure that sed is the tool for what I want to do, but I
> can't be sure.  I have it doing everything else that I need.  The
> lines that I have are from a ZIP code database in SQL, but I need to
> make some formatting fixups to the entire thing (42,320 lines).
>
> Each line is like this:
>
> INSERT INTO zip_summary (zip, city, state, county, area_codes,
> city_type, latitude, longitude, time_zone, county_fips, observes_dst)
> VALUES ('10452', 'Bronx', 'NY', 'Bronx', '{'347', '646', '718'}', 'P',
> 40.838324, -73.921892, '-0500', '005', TRUE);
>
> Now, what I need to do is convert the ' characters to be " characters,
> but only inside of {...} (where the area code list is).  I can't seem
> to figure out how to do that, though, because if I use a s/.../...
> expression, it would replace the entire thing, which isn't what I
> want.  Is there a regex that will say "Match an apostrophe if between
> squiggly brackets" so that I can replace each occurrence with a
> quotation mark?
>
>     -- Mike
>
> --
> Michael B. Trausch 	
> fd0man at gmail.com <mailto:fd0man at gmail.com>
> Phone: (404) 592-5746 	
> Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com
>
>
> Demand Freedom!  Use /open/ and /free/ protocols, standards, and
> software!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>   



From aledonne.listmail at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 10:05:57 2006
From: aledonne.listmail at gmail.com (Alex LeDonne)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:05:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1d065ed40611130705v1dbcad49l7bc058225a96f923@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/12/06, Jim Popovitch <jimpop at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've got a laptop with linux on 100% of the harddrive.  What I want to
> do is add a small Win2K install (dual boot, grub) for testing.  Does
> win2k need to be in the first partition?   Any other advice?
>
> -Jim P.

Jim,

Here's one person who claims success with a small /boot as the first
partition and Win on the second:
http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
I've never tried it, as I've always been preserving existing windows
and adding linux. But I think grub and LILO can both do the
appropriate magic to fool NTLDR into thinking it's on the first
partition. Everything I've seen says that you want your Win partition
to start below the 1024-cylinder mark (8.1GB or so), but if your
hardware is new enough that may not matter.

While I've had the same experience as others who've replied in terms
of the MS installer borking your MBR, I've had great success with dd
if=/dev/hda of=/home/aledonne/linux.mbr bs=512 count=1 to back up the
good MBR, then a quick live CD boot and another dd to restore it. Then
edit the bootloader config to add windows and re-run lilo or enjoy the
grub goodness.

-Alex


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 10:29:55 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:29:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database design
In-Reply-To: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611130729v7619c51ax2eaf2adbb81087ae@mail.gmail.com>

Or maybe you could just add a "QTY" column to the ingredients table to
differentiate.

-- CHS

On 11/13/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>
> I'm giving a Perl DBI talk at Atlanta PM on Thursday.  I need to create
> a sample database design for the code but am at a stand still.  My idea
> is to create a Recipe database and I'm going to use this recipe in the
> talk:
>
> ----
> Mystery Pecan Pie
>
> Topping:
> 3 eggs
> 1/4 cup sugar
> 1 cup light corn syrup
> 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
>
> Pie:
> 1 (8-ounce) package cream cheese
> 1/3 cup sugar
> 1/4 teaspoon salt
> 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
> 1 egg
> 1 un-baked deep-dish (9-inch) pie shell
> 1 1/4 cups chopped pecans
>
> Preheat oven to 350 degrees F.
>
> Combine all topping ingredients in a medium bowl. Set aside.
>
> In a medium bowl, mix cream cheese, sugar, salt, vanilla, and egg
> until combined. Pour into pie shell. Top with chopped pecans.
> Pour topping over pecans. Bake for 46 minutes. Serve warm or at
> room temperature.
> -----
>
>
> Here is the schema:
>
> CREATE TABLE ingredient (
>   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(ingredient_id),
>   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> );
>
> CREATE TABLE recipe (
>   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
>   directions MEDIUMTEXT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id),
>   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> );
>
> CREATE TABLE recipe_ingredient_map (
>   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
>   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
>   amount VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id, ingredient_id)
> );
>
>
> Based on this design the recipe can not have two rows in the
> recipe_ingredient_map that are the same ingredients.  In the example
> recipe eggs are used in the topping and the base.  So this schema will
> not work.  Maybe there is a more complex schema that will fit.  Maybe
> separate the recipe into parts and have those parts defined in another
> table.  I can _easily_ create 1 table with all the rows but I want to
> semi-complex example for the talk.  I'm tired of all books and etc using
> customer or employee examples.
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
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From kafka at antichri.st  Mon Nov 13 10:39:53 2006
From: kafka at antichri.st (George Carless)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:39:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database design
In-Reply-To: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <20061113153953.GA17084@antichri.st>

On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:57:09AM -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I'm giving a Perl DBI talk at Atlanta PM on Thursday.  I need to create
> a sample database design for the code but am at a stand still.  My idea
> is to create a Recipe database and I'm going to use this recipe in the
> talk:

[snip]

> Here is the schema:
> 
> CREATE TABLE ingredient (
>   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(ingredient_id),
>   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> );
> 
> CREATE TABLE recipe (
>   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
>   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
>   directions MEDIUMTEXT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id),
>   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> );
> 
> CREATE TABLE recipe_ingredient_map (
>   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
>   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
>   amount VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
>   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id, ingredient_id)
> );
> 
> 
> Based on this design the recipe can not have two rows in the
> recipe_ingredient_map that are the same ingredients.  In the example

Don't key on ingredient_id+ingredient_id.  With this schema I would create a separate ID for the 
"ingredient map" as a primary key, and I think you need a field to identify the order of the step 
in the ingredient_map (see my comments below on direction_steps).  But I have to say that your 
schema looks a little odd to me -- when it comes to a recipe you're not just throwing your 
ingredients in all at once, and you're also typically going to have lots of different measures 
for your "amount" field (i.e. 1 package; 1/3 cup; 1 teaspoon)-- so I don't see why you would 
bother to have a separate field for "amount": you're not going to want to do queries on the 
amount field, and you won't be able to do any meaningful comparisons between different records, 
so why bother separating it?  (I know you're looking for a semi-complex example, but I think it's 
best to only follow practices that make sense in the real world; it's not at all uncommon for 
people to make overly complicated tables for no good reason.)

Also, if you are going to split off your ingredients into separate tables, I suppose it would 
make sense to get more relational on your directions -- rather than having "directions" as a 
field within the recipe table, you might want to have a direction_steps table. Something like:

recipe_id INTEGER NOT NULL,
step_id SMALLINT NOT NULL,
ingredient_id INTEGER NOT NULL,
directions SMALLTEXT,
PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id,step_id)

To my mind this would replace the recipe_ingredient_map and would do away with the directions 
field.  With this schema you have a relational structure where it makes sense - e.g. you could 
say "find me all recipes that contain eggs" (I don't think most people would typically want/need 
to say "find me all recipes that contain two eggs") - and you could also open up room for future 
expansion on the "steps" (e.g. a field to indicate a step could be skipped, or additional tables 
to allow people to comment on individual steps, etc.)

--George
--------------------------------------
George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
Words are just dust in deserts of sound


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 10:51:06 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:51:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database design
In-Reply-To: <20061113153953.GA17084@antichri.st>
References: <1163429829.18409.34.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<20061113153953.GA17084@antichri.st>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611130751s878fd60t5faa9414bdf5c52c@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, you make some good points.  I'm not really a DB designer -- just
tryin' to get the Quick Fix in.

-- CHS

On 11/13/06, George Carless <kafka at antichri.st> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:57:09AM -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > I'm giving a Perl DBI talk at Atlanta PM on Thursday.  I need to create
> > a sample database design for the code but am at a stand still.  My idea
> > is to create a Recipe database and I'm going to use this recipe in the
> > talk:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Here is the schema:
> >
> > CREATE TABLE ingredient (
> >   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
> >   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
> >   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
> >   PRIMARY KEY(ingredient_id),
> >   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> > );
> >
> > CREATE TABLE recipe (
> >   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT,
> >   name VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
> >   description VARCHAR(250) NULL,
> >   directions MEDIUMTEXT NULL,
> >   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id),
> >   INDEX XAK1level(name)
> > );
> >
> > CREATE TABLE recipe_ingredient_map (
> >   recipe_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
> >   ingredient_id INTEGER(11) NOT NULL,
> >   amount VARCHAR(20) NOT NULL,
> >   PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id, ingredient_id)
> > );
> >
> >
> > Based on this design the recipe can not have two rows in the
> > recipe_ingredient_map that are the same ingredients.  In the example
>
> Don't key on ingredient_id+ingredient_id.  With this schema I would create
> a separate ID for the
> "ingredient map" as a primary key, and I think you need a field to
> identify the order of the step
> in the ingredient_map (see my comments below on direction_steps).  But I
> have to say that your
> schema looks a little odd to me -- when it comes to a recipe you're not
> just throwing your
> ingredients in all at once, and you're also typically going to have lots
> of different measures
> for your "amount" field (i.e. 1 package; 1/3 cup; 1 teaspoon)-- so I don't
> see why you would
> bother to have a separate field for "amount": you're not going to want to
> do queries on the
> amount field, and you won't be able to do any meaningful comparisons
> between different records,
> so why bother separating it?  (I know you're looking for a semi-complex
> example, but I think it's
> best to only follow practices that make sense in the real world; it's not
> at all uncommon for
> people to make overly complicated tables for no good reason.)
>
> Also, if you are going to split off your ingredients into separate tables,
> I suppose it would
> make sense to get more relational on your directions -- rather than having
> "directions" as a
> field within the recipe table, you might want to have a direction_steps
> table. Something like:
>
> recipe_id INTEGER NOT NULL,
> step_id SMALLINT NOT NULL,
> ingredient_id INTEGER NOT NULL,
> directions SMALLTEXT,
> PRIMARY KEY(recipe_id,step_id)
>
> To my mind this would replace the recipe_ingredient_map and would do away
> with the directions
> field.  With this schema you have a relational structure where it makes
> sense - e.g. you could
> say "find me all recipes that contain eggs" (I don't think most people
> would typically want/need
> to say "find me all recipes that contain two eggs") - and you could also
> open up room for future
> expansion on the "steps" (e.g. a field to indicate a step could be
> skipped, or additional tables
> to allow people to comment on individual steps, etc.)
>
> --George
> --------------------------------------
> George Carless ... kafka at antichri.st
> Words are just dust in deserts of sound
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Mon Nov 13 12:23:27 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611031325j70cb194fi484d123cc49e3d46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611131210210.31515-100000@otter.localdomain>

Jerry -

Thanks for your comments. They raised a question for me.

Further suggestions welcome.

 - Mills

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Jerry Yu wrote:

> openVPN runs as a least-privileged user such as 'nobody', so, I'd think you
> need let this 'nobody' read. other than that, as restrictive as you can be.
> The certificate is guarded by a passphrase, so use a long winding one.

Q) Are you referring to the client here, and if so, what should I do to
set openvpn's USER to 'nobody'?

> set up sudo, so you can start/stop openvpn at will as a regular user. Add a
> command line alias "alias off='sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn stop", so you can
> save a few keystrokes.

I made a 'sudo' script. 'openvpn' wanted to be started just above the
directory holding my certificates, and - in my case - that's the directory
with the *.ovpn configuration directory. I unpacked the files from our IT
dept.  into '~/.openvpn' and my script 'cd's there to run. There's
probably a cleaner way to do this. Effectively my startup is:
 # cd $HOME/.openvpn; openvpn --config <configfile>

> If you do want GUI on linux, there's a lot on sourceforge. In particular,
> OpenVPNmanager sounds like what you requested.
> http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=openvpn+gui

Good thought. I used the GUI once to get an idea of the sequence, then 
'winged it' with my sudo script.

> On 11/3/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:

> > 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where is it
> > appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?

> > 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by
> > screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?



From jlightner at water.com  Mon Nov 13 12:37:38 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:37:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>

Hi,

I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux.  He only wants to do GUI
stuff.   His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
wants to play MP3s).  This morning he told me it appears this is a
"lite" version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won't let him set
it up to do a play list of one song after another.

Unfortunately I don't have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don't
want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can't really
check this.

Is he correct?  If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
the prior one has finished playing?   If he is incorrect is there any
advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
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From hbbs at comcast.net  Mon Nov 13 12:39:51 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:39:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>

Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.

Jeff Lightner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI
> stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
> wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a
> ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
>
> Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> really check this.
>
> Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any
> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From ale at sixit.com  Mon Nov 13 12:39:09 2006
From: ale at sixit.com (Robert Reese)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:39:09 -0500
Subject: [ale] Dual boot setup
In-Reply-To: <1163392032.24633.5.camel@localhost>
References: <1163382892.21617.3.camel@localhost>
	<125441D0-89E3-49F3-99E5-0F0DB0016870@speedfactory.net>
	<a7d4142f0611121930w5b8600ecw411bf9f5e3a5661f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163392032.24633.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611131239090046.02D2C9A1@smtpout.secureserver.net>


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 11/12/2006 at 11:27 PM Jim Popovitch wrote:

>does win2k have to be in the first partition.  I'd as Microsoft, but....

No, it doesn't.  What you need to edit is the boot.ini file to point to the right location.  But make sure that you format the partition as FAT32 because editing anything that is NTFS is a pain in the arse.  If you want NTFS, you can easily convert the partition to it once you have the system running correctly.

OTOH, I don't recommend this method due to the likelihood of problems, particularly of MBR issues, and instead encourage you to resize your Linux installation to a size you want (after you back it up, of course), then backup that resized installation.  Use the Windows disk to install W2K, allowing it to partition and format the disk as you want it.  Once the installation is complete, then restore your Linux to the remainder of the disk.  Lastly, you'll likely have to use a boot manager of your choice to enable the dual-booting.

Sadly, I still know very little about Linux, but that's the primary reason I'm here.  Maybe one day the primary reason will be to help others in areas of Linux.  ;c)

Cheers,
Robert~

------------------------------------------------------
   * Microsoft is NOT a standard. *
------------------------------------------------------



From hbbs at comcast.net  Mon Nov 13 12:48:12 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4558AFDC.1030309@comcast.net>

Belay that re xmms; see http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml

Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.
>
> Jeff Lightner wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI
>> stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
>> wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a
>> ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
>> set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
>>
>> Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
>> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
>> really check this.
>>
>> Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
>> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
>> the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any
>> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Mon Nov 13 12:54:37 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:54:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] Tomcat/OpenNMS question?
Message-ID: <20061113175437.GB4801@rdlg.net>



  Anyone have an experience setting up tomcat/opennms?  I'm trying to get
an installation up and running and hitting some odd errors.

(Semi-OT, linux server + amd64 :> )

Robert



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From hscast at charter.net  Mon Nov 13 12:57:23 2006
From: hscast at charter.net (Scott Castaline)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:57:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <1163440643.6585.11.camel@localhost>

RhythmBox will play MP3's as well as ogg and other formats as playlists.
Also Songbird works as well for MP3's. Although that one is still under
heavy development stages.

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 12:37 -0500, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux.  He only wants to do GUI
> stuff.   His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed
> (he wants to play MP3s).  This morning he told me it appears this is a
> ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
> 
> Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> really check this.
> 
> Is he correct?  If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> the prior one has finished playing?   If he is incorrect is there any
> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From kaboom at oobleck.net  Mon Nov 13 13:25:02 2006
From: kaboom at oobleck.net (Chris Ricker)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:25:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
In-Reply-To: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
References: <4554ED08.9030209@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611131323400.16180@urd.oobleck.net>

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Christopher Bergeron wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X 
> or Linux?

Try twinkle <http://www.twinklephone.com/>

Linux only, but I've not had major problems with it

later,
chris


From jloden at toughguy.net  Mon Nov 13 14:30:57 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:57 -1000
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <4558C7F1.8030605@toughguy.net>

I would definitely recommend Amarok as tops for Linux MP3 players. It 
has all the features you could want from a music player (lyrics, album 
art, playlists, even iPod sync, etc) and it's actively under 
development. There are some other excellent players out there, but I 
think amarok arguably has the most complete package similar to an iTunes 
type of functionality on Linux.

-Jay

Jeff Lightner wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI 
> stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he 
> wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a 
> ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him 
> set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
>
> Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t 
> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t 
> really check this.
>
> Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and 
> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after 
> the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any 
> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From abuchen at key-inc.com  Mon Nov 13 15:18:53 2006
From: abuchen at key-inc.com (Buchen, Amy)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] linux migration study
Message-ID: <E8F9B6C95BD88C46B8FABB9503DB7C856D6076@mse1be1.mse1.mailstreet.com>

Hi all,

I'm conducting a study for a Harvard Business School professor on the
costs associated with migrations between different Linux distributions,
and I am looking for companies that have undergone a migration like
this.  Does anyone have any contacts for IT professionals at large
companies (500+ full time employees) who have migrated from one Linux
distribution to another?  I can provide an honorarium of $200 to the
company IT individuals willing to participate in the study.  It will
involve a 30 to 45-minute phone conversation.  I am not looking for
external consultants who have done migrations, but specifically someone
who works for a large company that has undergone a Linux migration.
Thank you for any advice or assistance.

 

Amy

abuchen at key-inc.com

 

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From jasonday at worldnet.att.net  Mon Nov 13 16:04:58 2006
From: jasonday at worldnet.att.net (Jason Day)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:04:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>

On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 12:50:31PM -0500, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> That having been said, is there any free (libre) software that anyone
> has seen that is good with providing a user interface to create complex
> databases in a better way?

Have you looked at tora?  http://tora.sourceforge.net/

Jason
-- 
Jason Day                                       jasonday at
http://jasonday.home.att.net                    worldnet dot att dot net
 
"Of course I'm paranoid, everyone is trying to kill me."
    -- Weyoun-6, Star Trek: Deep Space 9


From scc4fun at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 16:06:57 2006
From: scc4fun at gmail.com (S C C)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:06:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] What am I missing?
In-Reply-To: <455886B0.3040806@gmail.com>
References: <1163424401.18409.27.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<4a89f25f0611130622m1c589d2nb67c885c027fba8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1163428664.18409.29.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<455886B0.3040806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef3819d0611131306l33ccf320xfbf8c2ff3694a47a@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/13/06, Preston Boyington <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > Would you know what this package would be?
> >
> > checking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No
> > curses/termcap library found
> >
> >
>
> may not be exactly what you are looking for:
>
> (from the debian pages)
>
> http://packages.debian.org/stable/oldlibs/termcap-compat
>
> Package: termcap-compat
> Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.
>
> The termcap-compat package provides the libtermcap.so.2 and /etc/termcap
> files which are required to run non-Debian, binary-only termcap-based
> programs. Since libc6-based programs are hopefully "modern" enough to be
> linked with ncurses (or slang), this package only provides a libc5-based
> libtermcap library.
>
> The termcap-compat package isn't meant to be used to compile programs
> therefore it doesn't provide all the necessary files for compilation. If
> you want to compile a program that claims to need termcap, why not try
> ncurses's termcap emulation instead? It's as simple as linking with
> ncurses instead of libtermcap (i.e. replace the '-ltermcap' with
> '-lncurses' in the makefile). Ncurses' termcap emulation routines
> translate terminfo entries to termcap entries on the fly, so you don't
> even need an /etc/termcap file.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
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>

See also:

http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/warty/source/termcap-compat

Source package: termcap-compat (1.2.3) [universe]
The following binary packages are built from this source package:

termcap-compat
    Compatibility package for old termcap-based programs.

Other Packages Related to termcap-compat
[adep]= build-depends	[idep]= build-depends-indep

    *

      [adep] altgcc
          Alternate gcc package for the libc5 environment.

    *

      [adep] libc5-altdev
          The Linux C library version 5 (alternative dev files).




-- 
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From timyoungblood at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 16:48:08 2006
From: timyoungblood at gmail.com (Tim Youngblood)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:48:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
Message-ID: <651efeeb0611131348m6e68e139tb5a791a73991e9e3@mail.gmail.com>

Amarok is amazing. It changed the way I listen to music on my computer.

What dist is your friend using?

mp3 support is not built into the major dists due to it having potential
legal strings attached (same reason why Sun's Java is not included). Instead
you have to update your OS to support mp3 encoding/decoding.

For FC5, Stanton Finley's guide is pretty helpful in this regard:
http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_5_installation_notes.html

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>    1. Re: OpenVPN Question (John Mills)
>    2. playlists not available in RealPlayer? (Jeff Lightner)
>    3. Re: playlists not available in RealPlayer? (Jeff Hubbs)
>    4. Re: Dual boot setup (Robert Reese)
>    5. Re: playlists not available in RealPlayer? (Jeff Hubbs)
>    6. Tomcat/OpenNMS question? (Robert L. Harris)
>    7. Re: playlists not available in RealPlayer? (Scott Castaline)
>    8. Re: OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ? (Chris Ricker)
>    9. Re: playlists not available in RealPlayer? (Jay Loden)
>   10. linux migration study (Buchen, Amy)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:23:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] OpenVPN Question
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
>         <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611131210210.31515-100000 at otter.localdomain>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Jerry -
>
> Thanks for your comments. They raised a question for me.
>
> Further suggestions welcome.
>
> - Mills
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Jerry Yu wrote:
>
> > openVPN runs as a least-privileged user such as 'nobody', so, I'd think
> you
> > need let this 'nobody' read. other than that, as restrictive as you can
> be.
> > The certificate is guarded by a passphrase, so use a long winding one.
>
> Q) Are you referring to the client here, and if so, what should I do to
> set openvpn's USER to 'nobody'?
>
> > set up sudo, so you can start/stop openvpn at will as a regular user.
> Add a
> > command line alias "alias off='sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn stop", so you
> can
> > save a few keystrokes.
>
> I made a 'sudo' script. 'openvpn' wanted to be started just above the
> directory holding my certificates, and - in my case - that's the directory
> with the *.ovpn configuration directory. I unpacked the files from our IT
> dept.  into '~/.openvpn' and my script 'cd's there to run. There's
> probably a cleaner way to do this. Effectively my startup is:
> # cd $HOME/.openvpn; openvpn --config <configfile>
>
> > If you do want GUI on linux, there's a lot on sourceforge. In
> particular,
> > OpenVPNmanager sounds like what you requested.
> > http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=openvpn+gui
>
> Good thought. I used the GUI once to get an idea of the sequence, then
> 'winged it' with my sudo script.
>
> > On 11/3/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where
> is it
> > > appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?
>
> > > 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by
> > > screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:37:38 -0500
> From: "Jeff Lightner" <jlightner at water.com>
> Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
> To: <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6 at EXVS01.dsw.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux.  He only wants to do GUI
> stuff.   His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
> wants to play MP3s).  This morning he told me it appears this is a
> "lite" version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won't let him set
> it up to do a play list of one song after another.
>
> Unfortunately I don't have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don't
> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can't really
> check this.
>
> Is he correct?  If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> the prior one has finished playing?   If he is incorrect is there any
> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
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> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:39:51 -0500
> From: Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4558ADE7.1010100 at comcast.net>
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>
> Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.
>
> Jeff Lightner wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI
> > stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
> > wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a
> > ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> > set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
> >
> > Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> > want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> > really check this.
> >
> > Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> > let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> > the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any
> > advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:39:09 -0500
> From: "Robert Reese" <ale at sixit.com>
> Subject: Re: [ale] Dual boot setup
> To: ale at ale.org
> Message-ID: <200611131239090046.02D2C9A1 at smtpout.secureserver.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> On 11/12/2006 at 11:27 PM Jim Popovitch wrote:
>
> >does win2k have to be in the first partition.  I'd as Microsoft, but....
>
> No, it doesn't.  What you need to edit is the boot.ini file to point to
> the right location.  But make sure that you format the partition as FAT32
> because editing anything that is NTFS is a pain in the arse.  If you want
> NTFS, you can easily convert the partition to it once you have the system
> running correctly.
>
> OTOH, I don't recommend this method due to the likelihood of problems,
> particularly of MBR issues, and instead encourage you to resize your Linux
> installation to a size you want (after you back it up, of course), then
> backup that resized installation.  Use the Windows disk to install W2K,
> allowing it to partition and format the disk as you want it.  Once the
> installation is complete, then restore your Linux to the remainder of the
> disk.  Lastly, you'll likely have to use a boot manager of your choice to
> enable the dual-booting.
>
> Sadly, I still know very little about Linux, but that's the primary reason
> I'm here.  Maybe one day the primary reason will be to help others in areas
> of Linux.  ;c)
>
> Cheers,
> Robert~
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>    * Microsoft is NOT a standard. *
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:48:12 -0500
> From: Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4558AFDC.1030309 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Belay that re xmms; see
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml
>
> Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> > Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.
> >
> > Jeff Lightner wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI
> >> stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
> >> wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a
> >> ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> >> set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> >> want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> >> really check this.
> >>
> >> Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> >> let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> >> the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any
> >> advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:54:37 -0500
> From: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>
> Subject: [ale] Tomcat/OpenNMS question?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <20061113175437.GB4801 at rdlg.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>   Anyone have an experience setting up tomcat/opennms?  I'm trying to get
> an installation up and running and hitting some odd errors.
>
> (Semi-OT, linux server + amd64 :> )
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> :wq!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:57:23 -0500
> From: Scott Castaline <hscast at charter.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <1163440643.6585.11.camel at localhost>
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>
> RhythmBox will play MP3's as well as ogg and other formats as playlists.
> Also Songbird works as well for MP3's. Although that one is still under
> heavy development stages.
>
> On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 12:37 -0500, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux.  He only wants to do GUI
> > stuff.   His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed
> > (he wants to play MP3s).  This morning he told me it appears this is a
> > ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> > set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
> >
> > Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> > want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> > really check this.
> >
> > Is he correct?  If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> > let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> > the prior one has finished playing?   If he is incorrect is there any
> > advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:25:02 -0500 (EST)
> From: Chris Ricker <kaboom at oobleck.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT:  Suggestions for VoIP on OS X ?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611131323400.16180 at urd.oobleck.net>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any recommendations for a good sip/voip phone on OS X
> > or Linux?
>
> Try twinkle <http://www.twinklephone.com/>
>
> Linux only, but I've not had major problems with it
>
> later,
> chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:30:57 -1000
> From: Jay Loden <jloden at toughguy.net>
> Subject: Re: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4558C7F1.8030605 at toughguy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> I would definitely recommend Amarok as tops for Linux MP3 players. It
> has all the features you could want from a music player (lyrics, album
> art, playlists, even iPod sync, etc) and it's actively under
> development. There are some other excellent players out there, but I
> think amarok arguably has the most complete package similar to an iTunes
> type of functionality on Linux.
>
> -Jay
>
> Jeff Lightner wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a co-worker who is trying to do Linux. He only wants to do GUI
> > stuff. His most recent challenge was getting RealPlayer installed (he
> > wants to play MP3s). This morning he told me it appears this is a
> > ?lite? version of RealPlayer as it will play MP3s but won?t let him
> > set it up to do a play list of one song after another.
> >
> > Unfortunately I don?t have a sound card in my Linux desktop and don?t
> > want to do this on any of my Linux servers in the office so can?t
> > really check this.
> >
> > Is he correct? If so is there something else that will play MP3s and
> > let him do a play list instead of having to select the next MP3 after
> > the prior one has finished playing? If he is incorrect is there any
> > advice on what he may not be doing but should be?
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:18:53 -0500
> From: "Buchen, Amy" <abuchen at key-inc.com>
> Subject: [ale] linux migration study
> To: <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm conducting a study for a Harvard Business School professor on the
> costs associated with migrations between different Linux distributions,
> and I am looking for companies that have undergone a migration like
> this.  Does anyone have any contacts for IT professionals at large
> companies (500+ full time employees) who have migrated from one Linux
> distribution to another?  I can provide an honorarium of $200 to the
> company IT individuals willing to participate in the study.  It will
> involve a 30 to 45-minute phone conversation.  I am not looking for
> external consultants who have done migrations, but specifically someone
> who works for a large company that has undergone a Linux migration.
> Thank you for any advice or assistance.
>
>
>
> Amy
>
> abuchen at key-inc.com
>
>
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From christopher at bergeron.com  Mon Nov 13 16:54:08 2006
From: christopher at bergeron.com (Christopher Bergeron)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:54:08 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT: Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <200611121537150374.006D7EB3@smtpout.secureserver.net>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>	<4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>	<45565E5D.4030409@dp-indexing.com>
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Message-ID: <4558E980.3000206@bergeron.com>

I use a Weller soldering iron, but I always wet the sponge.  Am I 
supposed to keep it dry?

Kind regards,
CB


Robert Reese wrote:
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> On 11/11/2006 at 5:35 PM Jack Schneider wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi, BTW I agree with CHS, leave ti on..  Another tip-
>> if going to be idle for a while make sure it's well tinned in the work
>> area (tip) and just wipe with a damp cloth or sponge before reuse.
>>
>> PS, I spent twenty years in circuit board manufacturing.  8-(
>>     
>
>
> Ditto.  Almost twenty years ago I worked for a company that made electronic scales.  The tech there never turned his iron off, and he told me to *always* to keep it tinned, just like Jack said.  A neat, simple trick he used to clean it while working was to stick it into a dry cellulose sponge that wiped all of the grime off, then retinned it.
>
> Robert~
>
>
>
>   
>> Charles Shapiro wrote:
>>     
>>> Well, what I was taught was to wipe the tip clean after every session,
>>> and then unscrew it a little from the
>>> soldering iron with a pair of pliers while it's still hot. That way, it
>>> won't freeze up in there and you can replace it easily
>>> when the time comes.  I'd also lean toward keeping it hot; mostly the
>>> cycling is what harms electrical equipment.
>>>
>>> -- CHS
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/06, *Christopher Bergeron* <christopher at bergeron.com
>>> <mailto:christopher at bergeron.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Does anyone know the best way to preserve a soldering iron tip?
>>>
>>>     Is it best to have the iron on for a long time (hour or two), or
>>>       
>> turn it
>>     
>>>     on and off between uses (use for 10 minutes, turn off for 10 mins,
>>>       
>> etc).
>>     
>>>     Does the heating and cooling of the tip cause it to wear out or is it
>>>     duration of heat?
>>>
>>>     Thanks and sorry for the OT post, but I can't think of any other
>>>       
>> crowd
>>     
>>>     that might have a suggestion here.
>>>
>>>     Kind regards,
>>>     CB
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 13 16:59:47 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:59:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] WAY OT: Electrical question...
In-Reply-To: <4558E980.3000206@bergeron.com>
References: <4556508A.9030006@bergeron.com>
	<4a89f25f0611111502q29998530y5c3853ff09bba4ac@mail.gmail.com>
	<45565E5D.4030409@dp-indexing.com>
	<200611121537150374.006D7EB3@smtpout.secureserver.net>
	<4558E980.3000206@bergeron.com>
Message-ID: <1163455187.29701.13.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 16:54 -0500, Christopher Bergeron wrote:
> I use a Weller soldering iron, but I always wet the sponge.  Am I 
> supposed to keep it dry?

The problem with it being wet is that it's not good to quickly cool the
tip by dumping it into cooler (than the tip) water.   I've always just
rammed my iron into steel wool a few times to clean it.  It worked for
me back then, and I've never heard of any problems it could have caused.

-Jim P.



From nym.bnm at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 17:41:51 2006
From: nym.bnm at gmail.com (Brian MacLeod)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:41:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] Asterisk Answer Delay
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f307ba72400249f0f307ba724.307bb9bb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <fc.00249f0f307ba72400249f0f307ba724.307bb9bb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <da4a11660611131441v436a9aevb18ca1b8021bc12f@mail.gmail.com>

I believe this is what you want to do, Brian:

Open up the Trixbox web interface, go into System Administration -> FreePBX.

Click on setup, Extensions.

Create an extension (might as well go with SIP).  Make sure to create
it with VM enabled (near the bottom).  For insanity, give it an email
address and it can email that person each message.

Apply changes

Go to "Inbound Routes".  I'm assuming your X100P is set up as ZAP/g0,
so put g0 in "Zaptel Channel"

Near the bottom, you'll find "Set Destination".  Select the extension
you created before.  If you select the VM of that extention, it does
not play the name announcement, you decide what you want to do.    Hit
submit.

Call the associated phone line.  It should send you to VM since there
is no SIP phone registered.  Hit *, and then enter the password which
you set up during extension/vm creation.  From here, you can create
your name announcements and messages.

Enjoy.

bnm




On 11/13/06, Brian D. Pitts <bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>
>  Following the advice I received here, I recently installed Trixbox on an
> old Dell with an X100P to test using Asterisk as a voicemail to email
> bridge. Since this box is going to be a glorified answering machine, not the
> heart of a phone system, I need to configure Asterisk to only answer the
> line after a certain number of rings. Does anyone know how to do this?
> Googling has only revealed settings for specific hardware (eg the SPA-3000)
> that I'm not using. I was able to set up everything else (extensions,
> routes, receptionist) through the FreePBX web interface.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Brian
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From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 13 17:52:33 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:52:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] Sun's Java GPL contribution
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611130631i3d97b30cw3fd5f6da1b8d7ef2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1EF7A5A4BCE43049B39B468DAE084C42039491C4@ATLMSG24.turner.com>
	<4a89f25f0611130631i3d97b30cw3fd5f6da1b8d7ef2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4558F731.1020804@bellsouth.net>

Did anyone else read about Sun's action today?

It appears that they have contributed all of the Sun owned Java code to 
the GPL community.The only Java source code that isn't being contributed 
to the GPL is that which Sun doesn't own the rights to.

I think that will be quite a boost to the GPL community, and will cause 
Java to rapidly become almost totally integrated into most Linux 
distributions.

Dan


From briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 13 17:54:22 2006
From: briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net (Jim Philips)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:54:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>

On Monday 13 November 2006 12:39, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.

Amarok is a great alternative if he's moving away from Windows, because it 
beats anything out there on any OS, as far as I'm concerned. The players 
available on Windows pale by comparison.




From bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu  Mon Nov 13 18:12:09 2006
From: bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu (Brian Pitts)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:12:09 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xwindows on DOS
In-Reply-To: <fc.3b9aca00009e51a63b9aca00baa0d42e.30752b81@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <1163120406.23312.50.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<fc.3b9aca00009e51a63b9aca00baa0d42e.30752b81@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <4558FBC9.2050806@learnlink.emory.edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
> You're looking for dosemu and xdosemu. Both use freedos as the dos
> platform and provide a native Linux environment to run it all in.
Another alternative is Dosbox (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net). Great for 
running DOS apps on non-x86 architectures.

-Brian


From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 18:06:28 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:06:28 -0500
Subject: [ale] Sun's Java GPL contribution
In-Reply-To: <4558F731.1020804@bellsouth.net>
References: <1EF7A5A4BCE43049B39B468DAE084C42039491C4@ATLMSG24.turner.com>
	<4a89f25f0611130631i3d97b30cw3fd5f6da1b8d7ef2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4558F731.1020804@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611131506q388812e5p450aa03944508537@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't read the announcement, but other e-mails I've read said Sun
announced that they would do this in March.

March is a long way away and corporate decisions have a way of
changing over time, so I suggest we wait for the real thing before
getting too excited.

Greg

On 11/13/06, Dan Lambert <danlambert at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Did anyone else read about Sun's action today?
>
> It appears that they have contributed all of the Sun owned Java code to
> the GPL community.The only Java source code that isn't being contributed
> to the GPL is that which Sun doesn't own the rights to.
>
> I think that will be quite a boost to the GPL community, and will cause
> Java to rapidly become almost totally integrated into most Linux
> distributions.
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From fd0man at gmail.com  Mon Nov 13 18:54:12 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:54:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] sed and massively editing files.
In-Reply-To: <455888F8.9090007@gpc.edu>
References: <1163428060.4675.57.camel@pepper>  <455888F8.9090007@gpc.edu>
Message-ID: <1163462052.4675.68.camel@pepper>

On Mon, 2006-11-13 at 10:02 -0500, Hunter Eidson wrote:

> I'm sure there's a prettier way to do it, but this seems to work...
> 
> Create a file called fixup.sed which contains these 3 lines:
> 
> :START
> s/{\(.*\)'\(.*\)}/{\1\"\2}/g
> t START
> 
> Now, assuming your data file is datafile.sql, you should be able to run:
> 
> sed -f fixup.sed < datafile.sql > new_datafile.sql
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 


Wow, this helped big-time.  I don't quite understand it (yet), but it
worked!

I am still working on reading "sed & awk," but I haven't gotten to
anything but simplistic stuff that I'd mostly figured out.  Nonetheless,
I am reading it from front to back... :-)

Thanks again!

    -- Mike

--
Michael B. Trausch
                    fd0man at gmail.com
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   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

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From kaboom at oobleck.net  Mon Nov 13 23:06:32 2006
From: kaboom at oobleck.net (Chris Ricker)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:06:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Sun's Java GPL contribution
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611131506q388812e5p450aa03944508537@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1EF7A5A4BCE43049B39B468DAE084C42039491C4@ATLMSG24.turner.com>
	<4a89f25f0611130631i3d97b30cw3fd5f6da1b8d7ef2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4558F731.1020804@bellsouth.net>
	<87f94c370611131506q388812e5p450aa03944508537@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611132303360.19360@urd.oobleck.net>

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006, Greg Freemyer wrote:

> I haven't read the announcement, but other e-mails I've read said Sun
> announced that they would do this in March.
> 
> March is a long way away and corporate decisions have a way of
> changing over time, so I suggest we wait for the real thing before
> getting too excited.

Parts have already been posted

See

https://openjdk.dev.java.net/

for zips and svn repositories for what's been opened so far 
(HotSpot virtual machine and javac compiler)

If it's handled like the opening of Solaris, more will appear over time as 
it clears Sun's legal....

later,
chris


From bg-ale at bjorng.net  Tue Nov 14 01:20:49 2006
From: bg-ale at bjorng.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Gustafsson?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 01:20:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>

So what's cool about Amarok?  It looks pretty, but that may just be
because I'm used to XMMS. :)  All I use a player for is to randomize
all of my ~6k tracks (about 1/2 my CD collection that I've ripped).
So far the only "fancy" feature I've seen, the popup with the new
title, seems mildly annoying to me.

On 11/13/06, Jim Philips <briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Monday 13 November 2006 12:39, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> > Xmms and Amarok will play MP3s, etc. using playlists.
>
> Amarok is a great alternative if he's moving away from Windows, because it
> beats anything out there on any OS, as far as I'm concerned. The players
> available on Windows pale by comparison.


From jloden at toughguy.net  Tue Nov 14 02:46:31 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:46:31 -1000
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>

It's all about what you use your music player for, and how you use it. 
If you're a huge minimalist and all you want is a playlist and some play 
controls, then XMMS is probably for you. On the other hand, Amarok 
offers iTunes-like "jukebox" format, the ability to sync with iPods (or 
other portable media players), album covers and lyrics, animations, and 
lots more, all nicely integrated with KDE.

Personally, I tend toward just using simple playlists like you 
described. However, I think the Amarok interface is more attractive, I 
like the integration with KDE, and occasionally I really do enjoy having 
lyrics or album art close at hand. I've now switched to a Macbook for 
most of my daily computing (and hence to iTunes on OS X). However, if I 
were still using a Linux desktop on a daily basis, I would definitely be 
interested in having all of the above tied into my iPod as well - which 
only Amarok offers for Linux users.

I guess the point is, if you're a minimalist user who just wants the 
player to be invisible in the background, then XMMS and Amarok are going 
to have minimal differences for you (if any). I can certainly understand 
that approach, since I used XMMS (and Coolplayer on Windows before that) 
for the same reasons before switching over. At the same time, my best 
friend has an enormous music collection and manages it all through 
Amarok quite happily, and I'd consider him a "power user" of his media 
player ;)

The song notifications can be turned off in the Amarok preferences. I'd 
suggest you try turning those off and just use Amarok for a few days. 
See if it grows on you...if it doesn't, worst case scenario you can just 
go back to XMMS :)

-Jay

Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> So what's cool about Amarok?  It looks pretty, but that may just be
> because I'm used to XMMS. :)  All I use a player for is to randomize
> all of my ~6k tracks (about 1/2 my CD collection that I've ripped).
> So far the only "fancy" feature I've seen, the popup with the new
> title, seems mildly annoying to me.
>   



From jjj863 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 08:09:43 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:09:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] OpenVPN Question
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611131210210.31515-100000@otter.localdomain>
References: <4ffdf1bc0611031325j70cb194fi484d123cc49e3d46@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0611131210210.31515-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611140509y6691adc9geb73269848b8b07@mail.gmail.com>

for both client and server. In my client.conf from OpenVPN 2.0.2,
-------cut--------cut-----------------x--------------------------cut-------
# Downgrade privileges after initialization (non-Windows only)
user nobody
group nobody
-------cut--------cut-----------------x--------------------------cut-------


On 11/13/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> Jerry -
>
> Thanks for your comments. They raised a question for me.
>
> Further suggestions welcome.
>
> - Mills
>
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Jerry Yu wrote:
>
> > openVPN runs as a least-privileged user such as 'nobody', so, I'd think
> you
> > need let this 'nobody' read. other than that, as restrictive as you can
> be.
> > The certificate is guarded by a passphrase, so use a long winding one.
>
> Q) Are you referring to the client here, and if so, what should I do to
> set openvpn's USER to 'nobody'?
>
> > set up sudo, so you can start/stop openvpn at will as a regular user.
> Add a
> > command line alias "alias off='sudo /etc/init.d/openvpn stop", so you
> can
> > save a few keystrokes.
>
> I made a 'sudo' script. 'openvpn' wanted to be started just above the
> directory holding my certificates, and - in my case - that's the directory
> with the *.ovpn configuration directory. I unpacked the files from our IT
> dept.  into '~/.openvpn' and my script 'cd's there to run. There's
> probably a cleaner way to do this. Effectively my startup is:
> # cd $HOME/.openvpn; openvpn --config <configfile>
>
> > If you do want GUI on linux, there's a lot on sourceforge. In
> particular,
> > OpenVPNmanager sounds like what you requested.
> > http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=openvpn+gui
>
> Good thought. I used the GUI once to get an idea of the sequence, then
> 'winged it' with my sudo script.
>
> > On 11/3/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
> > > 1. I have file set with certificate, etc., for the connection. Where
> is it
> > > appropriate to save this, and with what permissions?
>
> > > 2. As a client I would like to open and close the tunnel manually (by
> > > screen widget for example). How can I achieve this?
>
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From bg-ale at bjorng.net  Tue Nov 14 09:45:23 2006
From: bg-ale at bjorng.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Gustafsson?=)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:45:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info Jay.

I do find Amarok quite similar to iTunes, though with a couple of nice
bits in its tab list that I don't remember from the last time I used
iTunes.  The iPod sync option could be quite useful.  Since I'm not a
KDE user, I don't see the "integration" you mention.

Interestingly, Amarok chokes on a few of my MP3s, ones that I am
certain that I encoded with lame.  (I also have some that I encoded
with iTunes.)  It reads them and displays the correct title, length,
&c but skips right over them when it attempts to play.  That was
rather disappointing; even though it's only two so far, that's two
more than XMMS didn't like.  I haven't poked around to see which
decoder it uses under the hood, but I wonder if it uses a non-standard
codec.

Amarok's memory footprint is also much larger than XMMS.  I wonder if
that has to do with its back-end database.  On my box, Amarok uses
about 50MB of real memory, versus 15M for XMMS with the same song
list.  VM size differences are even more extreme.

Since it sounds like XMMS is dying, is there another simple
alternative out there? I think Rhythmbox is unusable for a song list
the size of mine.

On 11/14/06, Jay Loden <jloden at toughguy.net> wrote:
>
> The song notifications can be turned off in the Amarok preferences. I'd
> suggest you try turning those off and just use Amarok for a few days.
> See if it grows on you...if it doesn't, worst case scenario you can just
> go back to XMMS :)
>
> -Jay
>
> Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> > So what's cool about Amarok?  It looks pretty, but that may just be
> > because I'm used to XMMS. :)  All I use a player for is to randomize
> > all of my ~6k tracks (about 1/2 my CD collection that I've ripped).
> > So far the only "fancy" feature I've seen, the popup with the new
> > title, seems mildly annoying to me.

-- 
Bj?rn Gustafsson


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 14 13:07:48 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:07:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xubuntu automounter
Message-ID: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>

Ubuntu has a automount system that will automatically mount any media
that is attached as the user that is logged into the desktop.  I simply
assume this is a feature of Gnome.  On my laptop I run Xubuntu and wish
to replicate that.  Is there something I need to load or congure?



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 14 13:23:57 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:23:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xubuntu automounter
In-Reply-To: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>

Acutally I figured this one out.  I'm not sure I like the behavior
though.  It will show an icon on the desktop.  When you click it then
the mount will occur.  I would prefer if the mount was automatic when
media is inserted.

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 13:07 -0500, cfowler wrote:
> Ubuntu has a automount system that will automatically mount any media
> that is attached as the user that is logged into the desktop.  I simply
> assume this is a feature of Gnome.  On my laptop I run Xubuntu and wish
> to replicate that.  Is there something I need to load or congure?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From dhurst at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 14 13:29:05 2006
From: dhurst at mindspring.com (Dow_Hurst)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:29:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
Message-ID: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?  We have a NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with suse 9.3 and 10.1.  We have another NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with centos 4.3.  There is a LDAP server that provides authentication to the centos clients.  The suse clients authenticate with local passwd files.  I'd like to merge the NFS servers into one server and have all the clients authenticate with the LDAP server.  The problem I've found is different versions of KDE and firefox foul up user's configuration files if the same home directory is used.  Different window managers are easier to deal with than different versions of the same window manager.  Specifying different home directories based on OS version and distro seems like a kludgy solution but does work.  It is just confusing to users to have home directories that are different based on where they login from.  The kludge is to have a single directory a user owns for working data separate from the multiple home directories based on OS version.  That would let them have some continuity in the working environment for file location.

Does anyone have a better way?  It might be possible to work thru moving to a single distribution for the workstation clients.  I just have a hard time believing that there isn't an elegant solution to the problem.  On an SGI under IRIX, each user would have a hidden subdirectory called ~/.desktop-hostname for window manager settings based on the login host.  That kept desktop settings separate based on the host you logged in from.  I'm surprised that KDE doesn't do this by default.  Is it possible to make KDE do this?
Thanks,
Dow


No sig.


From preston.lists at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 13:18:02 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:18:02 -0600
Subject: [ale] how about XMMS2? [was: playlists not available in RealPlayer?]
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>

Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
<snipped>
> Since it sounds like XMMS is dying, is there another simple
> alternative out there? I think Rhythmbox is unusable for a song list
> the size of mine.
> 

gah!  i also have had issues in the past with very large music playlists
and Rhythmbox, so i went back to XMMS, hearing it was not being actively
developed bothered me a bit.  i just did a little looking and realized
that there is an XMMS2 available / being developed.

my two main players are XMMS (via the gxmms-xmms GNOME applet) and
MP3Blaster (Terminal!!!), so if someone could give me a little feedback
on XMMS2, i would appreciate it very much.

what other small footprint players are folks using?  i want fairly good
integration and something that runs pretty light.


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 14 13:46:14 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:46:14 -0500
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
In-Reply-To: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1163529974.4736.14.camel@cfowler-laptop>

Funny you should ask this.  Today I needed to find an old expese report.
Well, what machine is it on?  I have Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Fedora Core X.  I
have many.  I was thinking today that my home directory should be on a
USB flash disk that I can take machine to machine.


On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 13:29 -0500, Dow_Hurst wrote:
> How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?  We have a NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with suse 9.3 and 10.1.  We have another NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with centos 4.3.  There is a LDAP server that provides authentication to the centos clients.  The suse clients authenticate with local passwd files.  I'd like to merge the NFS servers into one server and have all the clients authenticate with the LDAP server.  The problem I've found is different versions of KDE and firefox foul up user's configuration files if the same home directory is used.  Different window managers are easier to deal with than different versions of the same window manager.  Specifying different home directories based on OS version and distro seems like a kludgy solution but does work.  It is just confusing to users to have hom
>  e directories that are different based on where they login from.  The kludge is to have a single directory a user owns for working data separate from the multiple home directories based on OS version.  That would let them have some continuity in the working environment for file location.
> 
> Does anyone have a better way?  It might be possible to work thru moving to a single distribution for the workstation clients.  I just have a hard time believing that there isn't an elegant solution to the problem.  On an SGI under IRIX, each user would have a hidden subdirectory called ~/.desktop-hostname for window manager settings based on the login host.  That kept desktop settings separate based on the host you logged in from.  I'm surprised that KDE doesn't do this by default.  Is it possible to make KDE do this?
> Thanks,
> Dow
> 
> 
> No sig.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From drifter at oppositelock.org  Tue Nov 14 14:52:46 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:52:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xubuntu automounter
In-Reply-To: <1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <200611141452.56232.drifter@oppositelock.org>

On Tuesday 14 November 2006 13:23, cfowler wrote:
| Acutally I figured this one out. ?I'm not sure I like the behavior
| though. ?It will show an icon on the desktop. ?When you click it then
| the mount will occur. ?I would prefer if the mount was automatic when
| media is inserted.

I am presuming that when you click on the icon, the device is
mounted and a "window" opens.  When you close the window is the
device automagically unmounted? Or is the device mounted when the
icon appears on the desktop?
My problem is with the unmount.  On my FC3 box udev will mount the
USB device but I have to use the command line to verify that it is
unmounted before unplugging.  Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.


Sean

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From volcimaster at gmail.com  Tue Nov 14 14:57:57 2006
From: volcimaster at gmail.com (Warren Myers)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:57:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xubuntu automounter
In-Reply-To: <200611141452.56232.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<200611141452.56232.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <cd08a04c0611141157uf5df0a0la1576deac4ff3b8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure I've seen this in a Linux distro before. IIRC, KDE does a
similar task where when you click on the icon it checks to see if it can
mount the drive. I do recall BeOS auto checking the buses periodically to
see if they had anything interesting on them, and then automounting, but
it's the only OS I've used that does automounting other than Mac OS.

Warren

On 11/14/06, Sean Kilpatrick <drifter at oppositelock.org> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 14 November 2006 13:23, cfowler wrote:
> | Acutally I figured this one out. I'm not sure I like the behavior
> | though. It will show an icon on the desktop. When you click it then
> | the mount will occur. I would prefer if the mount was automatic when
> | media is inserted.
>
> I am presuming that when you click on the icon, the device is
> mounted and a "window" opens.  When you close the window is the
> device automagically unmounted? Or is the device mounted when the
> icon appears on the desktop?
> My problem is with the unmount.  On my FC3 box udev will mount the
> USB device but I have to use the command line to verify that it is
> unmounted before unplugging.  Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.
>
>
> Sean
>
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From dhurst at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 14 15:39:25 2006
From: dhurst at mindspring.com (Dow_Hurst)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:39:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
Message-ID: <2229129.1163536765419.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I think I've found some of what is needed.  The KDE documentation has a section online for administrators.  I've found the KDEHOME environment variable specifies the user's directory for kde configuration files, which is normally ~/.kde3.  I could set this on login based on /etc/SuSE-release to point to a .kde3_9.3 or .kde3_10.1 or whatever.  I think there is also a possibility with Mozilla or Firefox to do the same.
Dow


-----Original Message-----
>From: Dow_Hurst <dhurst at mindspring.com>
>Sent: Nov 14, 2006 1:29 PM
>To: ale at ale.org
>Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
>
>How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?  We have a NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with suse 9.3 and 10.1.  We have another NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with centos 4.3.  There is a LDAP server that provides authentication to the centos clients.  The suse clients authenticate with local passwd files.  I'd like to merge the NFS servers into one server and have all the clients authenticate with the LDAP server.  The problem I've found is different versions of KDE and firefox foul up user's configuration files if the same home directory is used.  Different window managers are easier to deal with than different versions of the same window manager.  Specifying different home directories based on OS version and distro seems like a kludgy solution but does work.  It is just confusing to users to have hom
> e directories that are different based on where they login from.  The kludge is to have a single directory a user owns for working data separate from the multiple home directories based on OS version.  That would let them have some continuity in the working environment for file location.
>
>Does anyone have a better way?  It might be possible to work thru moving to a single distribution for the workstation clients.  I just have a hard time believing that there isn't an elegant solution to the problem.  On an SGI under IRIX, each user would have a hidden subdirectory called ~/.desktop-hostname for window manager settings based on the login host.  That kept desktop settings separate based on the host you logged in from.  I'm surprised that KDE doesn't do this by default.  Is it possible to make KDE do this?
>Thanks,
>Dow
>
>
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From dhurst at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 14 16:29:55 2006
From: dhurst at mindspring.com (Dow_Hurst)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:29:55 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
Message-ID: <11814316.1163539795336.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I've also found a firefox and mozilla command line switch that would let you use a specific profile.  And, you could load a bookmark file from a specific location to complement two different profiles running in different browser versions.

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=462431

It will take some login scripting to set the KDEHOME variable on the fly.  I would still need to provide the right profile and bookmark location to firefox based on the local firefox version.  This isn't so important since we ought to have the latest firefox on every machine anyway based on suse online updates.  Just nice to know that it is possible.
Dow


-----Original Message-----
From: Dow_Hurst <dhurst at mindspring.com>
To: ale at ale.org
Sent: Nov 14, 2006 1:29 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions

How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?  We have a NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with suse 9.3 and 10.1.  We have another NFS file server with home directories exported to multiple client machines with centos 4.3.  There is a LDAP server that provides authentication to the centos clients.  The suse clients authenticate with local passwd files.  I'd like to merge the NFS servers into one server and have all the clients authenticate with the LDAP server.  The problem I've found is different versions of KDE and firefox foul up user's configuration files if the same home directory is used.  Different window managers are easier to deal with than different versions of the same window manager.  Specifying different home directories based on OS version and distro seems like a kludgy solution but does work.  It is just confusing to users to have home directories that are different based on where they login from.  The kludge is to have a single directory a user owns for working data separate from the multiple home directories based on OS version.  That would let them have some continuity in the working environment for file location.

Does anyone have a better way?  It might be possible to work thru moving to a single distribution for the workstation clients.  I just have a hard time believing that there isn't an elegant solution to the problem.  On an SGI under IRIX, each user would have a hidden subdirectory called ~/.desktop-hostname for window manager settings based on the login host.  That kept desktop settings separate based on the host you logged in from.  I'm surprised that KDE doesn't do this by default.  Is it possible to make KDE do this?
Thanks,
Dow


No sig.


From rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com  Tue Nov 14 16:42:42 2006
From: rstory-l at 2006.revelstone.com (Robert Story)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:42:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
In-Reply-To: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20061114164242.108944ab@king.vb.futz.org>

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:29:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Dow_Hurst wrote:
D> How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?

I'll see your 'different OS versions', and raise you 'different CPU
architectures'. I've had this problem for years at home with my mix of
ppc/x86 machines, and have never found a good solution. I use the kludge you
mentioned (user data directory + per machine home directory), with the
additional trick of symlinking known-safe 'dot' directories (eg .bash*, .ssh,
etc) in the home directories to the os/arch agnostic files in the user data
directory. It's a pain in the ass for one person who knows what they are
doing; it would be a nightmare for multiple clueless users.


From roberth1954 at aim.com  Tue Nov 14 20:06:45 2006
From: roberth1954 at aim.com (roberth1954 at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:06:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] ubuntu_6.10+firefox_2.0+flash_plugin=firefox_crash
Message-ID: <8C8D669742938DF-EB0-2CE9@webmail-db13.sysops.aol.com>

 I tried searching to see if anyone else was having this problem but I'm not sure where to search.
 
 OK... I downloaded the x86 ubuntu 6.10 iso image, burned it to CD, booted it, installed it... Then brought up Firefox and went to a web page that has some flash on it. I clicked the buttons to install the flash player plugin and now when I visit a web page with flash on it, Firefox crashes. I also tried the beta version of flash v9 but with the same results.
 
 -R 
  
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 20:09:59 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:09:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Wifi regulatory daemons
Message-ID: <1163552999.5384.2.camel@localhost>

Just what is the need for wifi regulatory daemons (ie: ipw3945d)?

-Jim P.



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Tue Nov 14 20:18:56 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:18:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] Xubuntu automounter
In-Reply-To: <1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <1163527668.4736.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<1163528637.4736.11.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30827a2c3b9aca00820edbcc.30827e09@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

cfowler at outpostsentinel.com writes:
> I would prefer if the mount was automatic when
>media is inserted.

IIRC, Xubuntu uses Ivman to perform mounting in response to HAL events. You
ought to be able to configure the behavior in /etc/ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml.

http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/26/2129232
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ivman

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From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Tue Nov 14 20:32:49 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:32:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] how about XMMS2? [was: playlists not available in
	RealPlayer?]
In-Reply-To: <455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net> <	>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net> <	>
	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net> <	>
	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com> <	>
	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net> <,	>
	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com> <,>
	<455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>
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Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>
>
>what other small footprint players are folks using?  i want fairly good
>integration and something that runs pretty light.

I prefered Beep Media Player (BMP), a fork of XMMS that uses GTK2. However,
development of it has been discontinued in favor of BMPx, an almost complete
rewrite. Developers who didn't like change of focus forked BMP to create
Audacious Media Player.

XMMS -> BMP -> Audacious

http://audacious.nenolod.net/

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From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Tue Nov 14 20:42:33 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:42:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] Wifi regulatory daemons
In-Reply-To: <1163552999.5384.2.camel@localhost>
References: <1163552999.5384.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f3082880b3b9aca00646ffd28.30828bdb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>Just what is the need for wifi regulatory daemons (ie: ipw3945d)?

The regulatory daemon is responsible for controlling and configuring aspects of
the hardware required to operate the device within compliance of various
regulatory agencies.  This includes controlling which channels are allowed to
do active/passive scanning, transmit power levels, which channels are allowed
to be transmitted on, and support for IEEE 802.11h (DFS and TPC).

http://www.bughost.org/ipw3945/daemon/README.ipw3945d

That document has instructions on how to avoid running the daemon with root
privileges, an always worthwhile practice that's even more important for
proprietary code like this.

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From roberth1954 at aim.com  Tue Nov 14 21:16:31 2006
From: roberth1954 at aim.com (roberth1954 at aim.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:16:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] ubuntu_6.10+firefox_2.0+flash_plugin=firefox_crash -
	NEVER MIND
In-Reply-To: <8C8D669742938DF-EB0-2CE9@webmail-db13.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C8D669742938DF-EB0-2CE9@webmail-db13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C8D67333232F99-4BC-5813@webmail-db17.sysops.aol.com>

  Please disregard... I just didn't search enough... found the answer. 
 
 Edit the file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox and insert the following line:
 
 export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1
 
    
 -----Original Message-----
 From: roberth1954 at aim.com
 To: ale at ale.org
 Sent: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 8:06 PM
 Subject: [ale] ubuntu_6.10+firefox_2.0+flash_plugin=firefox_crash
 
  I tried searching to see if anyone else was having this problem but I'm not sure where to search.
 
 OK... I downloaded the x86 ubuntu 6.10 iso image, burned it to CD, booted it, installed it... Then brought up Firefox and went to a web page that has some flash on it. I clicked the buttons to install the flash player plugin and now when I visit a web page with flash on it, Firefox crashes. I also tried the beta version of flash v9 but with the same results.
 
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From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 14 21:31:22 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:31:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] ubuntu_6.10+firefox_2.0+flash_plugin=firefox_crash
In-Reply-To: <8C8D669742938DF-EB0-2CE9@webmail-db13.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C8D669742938DF-EB0-2CE9@webmail-db13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <455A7BFA.5080409@bellsouth.net>

When I installed Flash Player, I had to download the installer, then 
extract it. After that I had to open a terminal window and install the 
Flash Player using the "sudo ./flashplayer-installer" command.

Complete installation instructions are on the Ubuntu Wiki, if you'll 
search for Flash player.

It wasn't a matter of clicking a couple of buttons.

Dan

roberth1954 at aim.com wrote:
> I tried searching to see if anyone else was having this problem but I'm 
> not sure where to search.
> 
> OK... I downloaded the x86 ubuntu 6.10 iso image, burned it to CD, 
> booted it, installed it... Then brought  up Firefox and went to a web 
> page that has some flash on it. I clicked the buttons to install the 
> flash player plugin and now when I visit a web page with flash on it, 
> Firefox crashes. I also tried the beta version of flash v9 but with the 
> same results.
> 
> -R


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 14 22:33:10 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:33:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] Wifi regulatory daemons
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f3082880b3b9aca00646ffd28.30828bdb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <1163552999.5384.2.camel@localhost>
	<fc.00249f0f3082880b3b9aca00646ffd28.30828bdb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <1163561590.9314.3.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 20:42 -0500, Brian D. Pitts wrote:
> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
> Just what is the need for wifi regulatory daemons (ie: ipw3945d)?
> 
> The regulatory daemon is responsible for controlling and configuring
> aspects of the hardware required to operate the device within
> compliance of various regulatory agencies. 

Who are these regulatory agencies (FCC?) and how does the (closed
source) daemon know when/why/what to do?  Is it based on my IP address,
the AP I connect to, or what?   Does it behave differently in different
countries or geographic regions?  Finally, can I defeat having to use it
so that I don't have to run a closed source application?

Tia,

-Jim P.



From jloden at toughguy.net  Wed Nov 15 02:59:23 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:59:23 -1000
Subject: [ale] playlists not available in RealPlayer?
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
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Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> Interestingly, Amarok chokes on a few of my MP3s, ones that I am
> certain that I encoded with lame.  (I also have some that I encoded
> with iTunes.)  It reads them and displays the correct title, length,
> &c but skips right over them when it attempts to play.  That was
> rather disappointing; even though it's only two so far, that's two
> more than XMMS didn't like.  I haven't poked around to see which
> decoder it uses under the hood, but I wonder if it uses a non-standard
> codec.
>   
Actually, Amarok can use any of a number of decoders under the hood. The 
default is I believe gstreamer, but you can get it to use Xine as the 
engine. I don't remember off the top of my head what other options are 
available, but look under the engines in the preferences (and make sure 
you have the engines package for amarok installed).
> Amarok's memory footprint is also much larger than XMMS.  I wonder if
> that has to do with its back-end database.  On my box, Amarok uses
> about 50MB of real memory, versus 15M for XMMS with the same song
> list.  VM size differences are even more extreme.
>   
Actually, I'm inclined to think it's less the sqlite database and moreso 
the KDT/QT libraries that it has to load if you're not using KDE (shared 
libs, so if you're using KDE it'd already be loaded up).
> Since it sounds like XMMS is dying, is there another simple
> alternative out there? I think Rhythmbox is unusable for a song list
> the size of mine.
>   
Amarok does have a more traditional player/playlist view style you can 
use. You might check that out and see if you like the alternative view 
style better. If you like the iTunes style but a bit simpler, there's 
also "juk", but that's another KDE app so it'll probably be heavy too. 
For GNOME apps, another alternative might be Audacious: 
http://audacious-media-player.org/Main_Page - I haven't used it myself 
so I can't comment on it other than to say the screenshot looks nice ;)

I don't think XMMS is dying really - there's always a userbase for an 
minimalist player, but it's certainly being overshadowed by the iTunes - 
style interfaces most media players are using.

-Jay


From jakes.dad at gmail.com  Wed Nov 15 16:33:10 2006
From: jakes.dad at gmail.com (Sid Lane)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 16:33:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: longest time to find a bug?
Message-ID: <44d5258c0611151333h628e0f54v328780ba9794841e@mail.gmail.com>

hey,

I had a coworker yesterday identify a bug in a class file I tweaked (not the
original author) back in March.  it's an obscure, barely used part of our
site (many of you know which) that's seasonal and couldn't be fully tested
back then anyway so I'm not losing any sleep over it (that plus it wasn't my
job to do in the 1st place - was helping developers out at the time).

anyway, I'm pretty sure at 238 days I now hold the record here for longest
elapsed time from launch to bug identifed.

can anyone beat that?  :-P
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From jknapka at kneuro.net  Wed Nov 15 20:41:25 2006
From: jknapka at kneuro.net (JK)
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:41:25 -0700
Subject: [ale] OT: longest time to find a bug?
In-Reply-To: <44d5258c0611151333h628e0f54v328780ba9794841e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44d5258c0611151333h628e0f54v328780ba9794841e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455BC1C5.8030902@kneuro.net>

Sid Lane wrote:

> hey,
> 
> I had a coworker yesterday identify a bug in a class file I tweaked (not 
> the
> original author) back in March.  it's an obscure, barely used part of our
> site (many of you know which) that's seasonal and couldn't be fully tested
> back then anyway so I'm not losing any sleep over it (that plus it 
> wasn't my
> job to do in the 1st place - was helping developers out at the time).
> 
> anyway, I'm pretty sure at 238 days I now hold the record here for longest
> elapsed time from launch to bug identifed.
> 
> can anyone beat that?  :-P

I've found bugs in code that's been deployed for over ten years.
Occasionally someone notices. Often I find comments nearby (which
I wrote), to the effect of, "There's no way this will do what the
client wants, but since we have no idea what the client wants,
this'll have to do for now."

I ain't proud, I'm just sayin'...

-- JK



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov 16 09:29:10 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:29:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
Message-ID: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
they are heavy and can grab mud easily.  

My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.

I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
these systems would be a pain.

I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
about this.....








From aledonne.listmail at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 10:05:51 2006
From: aledonne.listmail at gmail.com (Alex LeDonne)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:05:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/16/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
> volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
> machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
> features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
> to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
> they are heavy and can grab mud easily.
>
> My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
>
> I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
> require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
> these systems would be a pain.
>
> I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
> to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
> the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
> about this.....
>

Those sound like excellent LTSP terminals. See
http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html for the LTSP subproject specifically
for K-12 schools and the like.

-A


From gwosbahamut at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 10:29:34 2006
From: gwosbahamut at gmail.com (KingBahamut)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:29:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea7907f10611160729l2addb35at3b383c555dda0761@mail.gmail.com>

or edubuntu , which implements LTSP pretty nice from what I understand.

http://www.edubuntu.org/


On 11/16/06, Alex LeDonne <aledonne.listmail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11/16/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
> > volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
> > machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
> > features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
> > to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
> > they are heavy and can grab mud easily.
> >
> > My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> > could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> > educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> > that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
> >
> > I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
> > require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
> > these systems would be a pain.
> >
> > I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
> > to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
> > the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
> > about this.....
> >
>
> Those sound like excellent LTSP terminals. See
> http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html for the LTSP subproject specifically
> for K-12 schools and the like.
>
> -A
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



-- 
KingBahamut
http://doc.gwos.org - Definitive Ubuntu Documentation
"I could tell you the probability, but you wouldnt like it."
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From smeadspam100 at speedfactory.net  Thu Nov 16 10:39:33 2006
From: smeadspam100 at speedfactory.net (W. Keith Miller)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:39:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455C8635.70701@speedfactory.net>

Alex LeDonne wrote:
> On 11/16/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
>   
>> My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
>> volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
>> machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
>> features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
>> to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
>> they are heavy and can grab mud easily.
>>
>> My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
>> could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
>> educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
>> that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
>>
>> I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
>> require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
>> these systems would be a pain.
>>
>> I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
>> to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
>> the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
>> about this.....
>>
>>     
>
> Those sound like excellent LTSP terminals. See
> http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html for the LTSP subproject specifically
> for K-12 schools and the like.
>
> -A
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   

If that is the way you want to go, I'd be willing to donate my alpha
system to the school.
It's a 164LX (533MHz) with 512MB RAM, a NCR SCSI card, Digital 100MB Nic
and (5) 4+GB SCSI drives. (The case is actually an old old Compaq
Proliant 1000 server that I modified).  Currently it's running Debian
Testing.  Just a thought as I'm going to get rid of it anyway (too big
for my little area)

K



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 10:58:16 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 09:58:16 -0600
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455C8A98.4090101@gmail.com>

Christopher Fowler wrote:
<snipped>
> My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
> 

oh! oh! how about Slackware 3.5? I think I have that here somewhere...
or even Red Hat 6.2 (have 5.2 also...)?

I've not paid attention to what your disto preference is (are you the
Fedora fanatic?), but if you are open to Ubuntu then maybe Debian
"Woody" would be good (with backports if needed), especially with an
extremely light WM (Fluxbox or maybe XFCE).  I have it installed on an
old Compaq 133mhz 32mb.  It runs a 2.4 kernel (I don't need 2.6 for
this), Fluxbox, GKrellum, etc. and works very well.  not to mention it
being easy to manage.

It would be interesting to see if DSL installed to the HD would suit
this also.  From my understanding, it installs as a Debian system.  I've
not played with it, but would be more than willing to let you try it and
tell me about it later. ;-)




From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov 16 11:07:44 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:07:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] Tomcat Timezone
Message-ID: <1163693264.4435.26.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On my FC2 server running Tomcat it appears that tomcat does not seem
to respect what is in /etc/locatime.  I found this out when for testing
I set our development box to CST and rebooted.  Every time stamp in
tomcat and our software was being treated as if it was EST.  It appears
the only fix is to set the TZ environment variable

$ env TZ=US/Central sudo /etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat start

Is there a timezone config option I need to set?



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Thu Nov 16 11:08:37 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:08:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30871a433b9aca00b672e204.30872984@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> on Thursday, November 16, 2006 at 9:29
AM -0500 wrote:
>I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
>require too much memory and CPU.

>Even trying to find and get memory for
 
>these systems would be a pain.

Gcompris claims to run fine on a 233MHz CPU and 64MB of RAM.

 PC100 256mb sells for $20 on ebay. Stick one of those in each machine and I
imagine they'd be fine for an Edubuntu desktop, albeit with slow load times.

-Brian

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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Thu Nov 16 11:13:35 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:13:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <455C8A98.4090101@gmail.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<455C8A98.4090101@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163693615.4435.28.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I'm thinking Xubuntu with the programs from edubuntu

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 09:58 -0600, Preston Boyington wrote:
> Christopher Fowler wrote:
> <snipped>
> > My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> > could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> > educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> > that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
> > 
> 
> oh! oh! how about Slackware 3.5? I think I have that here somewhere...
> or even Red Hat 6.2 (have 5.2 also...)?
> 
> I've not paid attention to what your disto preference is (are you the
> Fedora fanatic?), but if you are open to Ubuntu then maybe Debian
> "Woody" would be good (with backports if needed), especially with an
> extremely light WM (Fluxbox or maybe XFCE).  I have it installed on an
> old Compaq 133mhz 32mb.  It runs a 2.4 kernel (I don't need 2.6 for
> this), Fluxbox, GKrellum, etc. and works very well.  not to mention it
> being easy to manage.
> 
> It would be interesting to see if DSL installed to the HD would suit
> this also.  From my understanding, it installs as a Debian system.  I've
> not played with it, but would be more than willing to let you try it and
> tell me about it later. ;-)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Thu Nov 16 11:24:20 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:24:20 -0600
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163693615.4435.28.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>	<455C8A98.4090101@gmail.com>
	<1163693615.4435.28.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455C90B4.6010500@gmail.com>

Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I'm thinking Xubuntu with the programs from edubuntu
> 

*sigh*... alright then...


From dchambers at bugfixer.net  Thu Nov 16 12:39:10 2006
From: dchambers at bugfixer.net (Denny Chambers)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:39:10 -0600
Subject: [ale] Tomcat Timezone
In-Reply-To: <1163693264.4435.26.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163693264.4435.26.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455CA23E.2020809@bugfixer.net>

First I would test that Java understands what the true Timezone is. To 
my knowledge tomcat gets this info from the JVM.

Christopher Fowler wrote:
> On my FC2 server running Tomcat it appears that tomcat does not seem
> to respect what is in /etc/locatime.  I found this out when for testing
> I set our development box to CST and rebooted.  Every time stamp in
> tomcat and our software was being treated as if it was EST.  It appears
> the only fix is to set the TZ environment variable
>
> $ env TZ=US/Central sudo /etc/rc.d/init.d/tomcat start
>
> Is there a timezone config option I need to set?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Thu Nov 16 15:07:04 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:07:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Semi-OT: Baby steps with SSL and GoAhead webserver
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161448240.6430-100000@otter.localdomain>

ALErs -

I'm setting up the GoAhead web server ([http://www.goahead.com]) as a test
(This is only a test!) on my SuSE-10.1 Linux box, and want to use the
installed 'openssl' for incoming 'https' connections. I had very few
problems building the package and running it without SSL enabled, and
similarly an easy time building the server with 'openssl' enabled.

When I run the enabled version I still get the proper 'http' behavior, but 
I cannot connect for 'https' traffic. 'netstat -l' shows one port 
listening for 'web-http' connections, but nothing waiting for 'web-https'.

I placed a 'server.pem' (one that works on other servers) in the same
directory as the server executable, and opened the firewall for HTTPS
service.

I placed a diagnostic print at the point where 'websSSLOpen()' would have 
been called, and I see the print output, so I think I'm calling the 
socket startup.

Diagnostic and installation suggestions welcome!

TIA.
 - Mills



From mwalters at uga.edu  Thu Nov 16 15:14:19 2006
From: mwalters at uga.edu (Mark Walters)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:14:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] Semi-OT: Baby steps with SSL and GoAhead webserver
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161448240.6430-100000@otter.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161448240.6430-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3b5770180611161214w75db4d18x3a863bbfb27e8fa1@mail.gmail.com>

Is port 443 open ? Check your iptables configuration.

On 11/16/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:
> ALErs -
>
> I'm setting up the GoAhead web server ([http://www.goahead.com]) as a test
> (This is only a test!) on my SuSE-10.1 Linux box, and want to use the
> installed 'openssl' for incoming 'https' connections. I had very few
> problems building the package and running it without SSL enabled, and
> similarly an easy time building the server with 'openssl' enabled.
>
> When I run the enabled version I still get the proper 'http' behavior, but
> I cannot connect for 'https' traffic. 'netstat -l' shows one port
> listening for 'web-http' connections, but nothing waiting for 'web-https'.
>
> I placed a 'server.pem' (one that works on other servers) in the same
> directory as the server executable, and opened the firewall for HTTPS
> service.
>
> I placed a diagnostic print at the point where 'websSSLOpen()' would have
> been called, and I see the print output, so I think I'm calling the
> socket startup.
>
> Diagnostic and installation suggestions welcome!
>
> TIA.
>  - Mills
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Mark Walters
Systems Administrator Specialist
The College of Education
The University of Georgia
706-542-8007


From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Thu Nov 16 15:48:29 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:48:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Semi-OT: Baby steps with SSL and GoAhead webserver
In-Reply-To: <3b5770180611161214w75db4d18x3a863bbfb27e8fa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161544350.6590-100000@otter.localdomain>

Mark -

Thanks for your note.

'# iptables -L' gives this, which means (I think) 'yes':

 LOG        tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            limit: avg 
   3/min burst 5 tcp dpt:https flags:FIN,SYN,RST,ACK/SYN LOG level warning
   tcp-options ip-options prefix `SFW2-INext-ACC-TCP '
 ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp 
   dpt:https

I don't see any corresponding 'udp' entry; should there be one?

 - Mills


On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Mark Walters wrote:

> Is port 443 open ? Check your iptables configuration.
> 
> On 11/16/06, John Mills <johnmills at speakeasy.net> wrote:

> > I'm setting up the GoAhead web server ([http://www.goahead.com]) as a test
> > (This is only a test!) on my SuSE-10.1 Linux box, and want to use the
> > installed 'openssl' for incoming 'https' connections. I had very few
> > problems building the package and running it without SSL enabled, and
> > similarly an easy time building the server with 'openssl' enabled.

> > When I run the enabled version I still get the proper 'http' behavior, but
> > I cannot connect for 'https' traffic. 'netstat -l' shows one port
> > listening for 'web-http' connections, but nothing waiting for 'web-https'.

> > I placed a 'server.pem' (one that works on other servers) in the same
> > directory as the server executable, and opened the firewall for HTTPS
> > service.



From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Thu Nov 16 17:03:56 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 17:03:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Resolved: Semi-OT: Baby steps with SSL and GoAhead webserver
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161448240.6430-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161655250.6839-100000@otter.localdomain>

Mark, ALErs -

I had two more steps to make it work:

1. Build the SSL-enabled server to listen only on port 443. <blush>(I must 
   have thought _InterNet_Magic_(TM) somehow took care of that.)</blush>

2. Populate a set of ./cert/*.pem files, where I had only put the server 
   cert.

Now it accepts an SSL connection.

Thanks.

 - Mills

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, John Mills wrote:

> I'm setting up the GoAhead web server ([http://www.goahead.com]) as a test
> (This is only a test!) on my SuSE-10.1 Linux box, and want to use the
> installed 'openssl' for incoming 'https' connections. I had very few
> problems building the package and running it without SSL enabled, and
> similarly an easy time building the server with 'openssl' enabled.

> When I run the [SSL] enabled version I still get the proper 'http'
> behavior, but I cannot connect for 'https' traffic. 'netstat -l' shows
> one port listening for 'web-http' connections, but nothing waiting for
> 'web-https'.
 ...



From jknapka at kneuro.net  Thu Nov 16 17:10:30 2006
From: jknapka at kneuro.net (JK)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:10:30 -0700
Subject: [ale] Make emacs show "invisible" characters
Message-ID: <455CE1D6.5060205@kneuro.net>

Hi folks,

I used to know how to do this, but neither my brain
nor Google is my friend today.

I'm editing a source file that has line-ending issues --
it's got a mix of DOS and Unix line endings.  I know
there is a way to provoke emacs to explicitly display
the line-ending characters (^M, ^J, etc) and other
normally "invisible" whitespace, but I can't find it.
Any clues?

Thanks,

-- JK



From hbbs at comcast.net  Thu Nov 16 20:03:22 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 20:03:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455D0A5A.2060108@comcast.net>

Christopher Fowler wrote:
> My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
> volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
> machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
> features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
> to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
> they are heavy and can grab mud easily.  
>
> My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
>   
You'd have them buy Win98 licenses, first supposing that they're even
available for sale (which they almost certainly are not)?  You know, you
can't just take some Win98 CD you found and install it on even one of
those machines legally, much less all eight.  If you went ahead and did
it, you're giving that daycare a BSA poison pill!
> I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
> require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
> these systems would be a pain.
>   
You already have RAM; you may have to scrap one machine to get it.
> I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
> to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
> the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
> about this.....

If the machines still had value to the donor, they'd still be using
them.  The reality is that they're self-limited to the Microsoftian
"bargain" that maintains that such machines are flatly ineligible to run
current versions of operating system software.

In Linux-land, of course, that's a load of crap.  Others have suggested
that some LTSP variant be used; that's certainly a reasonable
suggestion.  However, without any network plant, that's a non-starter. 

If you wanted to add cables and a switch and do an LTSP rig, here's a
way that you might go about it.  Use RAM and disks from one or more of
the machines and add them to one of the machines to make a server - put
two drives in it, one per controller.  Pull or at least disconnect the
drives from the others.  Use the server's drives either as RAID  or just
to get  things (e.g., swap) separated.


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Fri Nov 17 00:44:48 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 00:44:48 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <455D0A5A.2060108@comcast.net>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<455D0A5A.2060108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1163742288.4435.72.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I'm thinking real hard about proposing the K12LTSP project.  If they
can get around the fact that it ain't windoze and make it work like
others have then it might be successful.

The do have network capability.  I may have to buy them a cheap switch
at Fry's but these machines do have network cards and they have a small
network.

I'm going to look into using Edubuntu in LTSP.  See if it has a setup
for LTSP.  
On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 20:03 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
> > volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
> > machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
> > features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
> > to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
> > they are heavy and can grab mud easily.  
> >
> > My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> > could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> > educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> > that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
> >   
> You'd have them buy Win98 licenses, first supposing that they're even
> available for sale (which they almost certainly are not)?  You know, you
> can't just take some Win98 CD you found and install it on even one of
> those machines legally, much less all eight.  If you went ahead and did
> it, you're giving that daycare a BSA poison pill!
> > I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
> > require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
> > these systems would be a pain.
> >   
> You already have RAM; you may have to scrap one machine to get it.
> > I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
> > to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
> > the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
> > about this.....
> 
> If the machines still had value to the donor, they'd still be using
> them.  The reality is that they're self-limited to the Microsoftian
> "bargain" that maintains that such machines are flatly ineligible to run
> current versions of operating system software.
> 
> In Linux-land, of course, that's a load of crap.  Others have suggested
> that some LTSP variant be used; that's certainly a reasonable
> suggestion.  However, without any network plant, that's a non-starter. 
> 
> If you wanted to add cables and a switch and do an LTSP rig, here's a
> way that you might go about it.  Use RAM and disks from one or more of
> the machines and add them to one of the machines to make a server - put
> two drives in it, one per controller.  Pull or at least disconnect the
> drives from the others.  Use the server's drives either as RAID  or just
> to get  things (e.g., swap) separated.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Fri Nov 17 07:21:27 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:21:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1163742288.4435.72.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>	<455D0A5A.2060108@comcast.net>
	<1163742288.4435.72.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <455DA947.1090705@fayettedigital.com>

You might talk with the pto/pta about funding additional hardware too.
Christopher Fowler wrote:
> I'm thinking real hard about proposing the K12LTSP project.  If they
> can get around the fact that it ain't windoze and make it work like
> others have then it might be successful.
>
> The do have network capability.  I may have to buy them a cheap switch
> at Fry's but these machines do have network cards and they have a small
> network.
>
> I'm going to look into using Edubuntu in LTSP.  See if it has a setup
> for LTSP.  
> On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 20:03 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
>   



From atlantageek at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 09:12:13 2006
From: atlantageek at gmail.com (Atlanta Geek)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:12:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] PCI card
Message-ID: <dd7c97280611170612h6ad7cc17s8e3491039dbffd7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
We have a PCI card that contains a chip that I need to become very
familar with.  (So we can write a driver for the PCI card on a non
Linux and Non Windows platform).

What I am wonder is is there some sort of generic Linux/PCI utility
that I can use to write into the memory space of the pci card.  I've
seen stuff that allows me to write to the pci cards registers but not
the memory.
 Linux 2.4 or Linux 2.6 is an option.

If anyone knows of a utility to do this or is familar with how phob_io
can be used to do this please let me know.


From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 17 09:42:15 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Calvin Harrigan)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:42:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] PCI card
In-Reply-To: <dd7c97280611170612h6ad7cc17s8e3491039dbffd7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd7c97280611170612h6ad7cc17s8e3491039dbffd7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455DCA47.9050803@bellsouth.net>

Atlanta Geek wrote:
> Hi,
> We have a PCI card that contains a chip that I need to become very
> familar with.  (So we can write a driver for the PCI card on a non
> Linux and Non Windows platform).
> 
> What I am wonder is is there some sort of generic Linux/PCI utility
> that I can use to write into the memory space of the pci card.  I've
> seen stuff that allows me to write to the pci cards registers but not
> the memory.
>  Linux 2.4 or Linux 2.6 is an option.
> 
> If anyone knows of a utility to do this or is familar with how phob_io
> can be used to do this please let me know.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
I'm no device driver writer, but isn't the PCI memory spaces mapped into 
the regular memory address space of the CPU some where above where 
physical ram ends?  If I remember correctly there are 3 memory spaces:

PCI I/O
PCI Memory
PCI Configuration

The first 2 are used by drivers the last is used by the BIOS or OS to 
setup the cards to operate in the system, like setting where the other 
two memory spaces will be mapped, what interrupts it can use etc.  It's 
been a long time, so take it with a kilogram of salt.



From mattkubilus at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 09:45:07 2006
From: mattkubilus at gmail.com (Matt Kubilus)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:45:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <455DA947.1090705@fayettedigital.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<455D0A5A.2060108@comcast.net>
	<1163742288.4435.72.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<455DA947.1090705@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <fccc61560611170645i1efd9620xd64b47453760d0af@mail.gmail.com>

Since this looks like it is strictly on a LAN, you could just set up
the machine to XDMCP to one bigger box on a network.  The performance
is real good, I did this once with a PI 133 laptop with acceptable
results.

By themselves, these boxes could run XFCE pretty well.  The simplicity
of XFCE is nice since you can very easily setup the menu bar for quick
access to whatever educational software they use.

The linux route will be much easier to admin than a bunch of win98
machines.  Will these hit the internet?  If so Win98 will become
infested in no time.  Admin costs can outweigh the hardware costs in
no time!

And I didn't even know that daycare's had computers.  I guess my 2
year old is behind the times already.

-Matt

On 11/17/06, Jim <ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com> wrote:
> You might talk with the pto/pta about funding additional hardware too.
> Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > I'm thinking real hard about proposing the K12LTSP project.  If they
> > can get around the fact that it ain't windoze and make it work like
> > others have then it might be successful.
> >
> > The do have network capability.  I may have to buy them a cheap switch
> > at Fry's but these machines do have network cards and they have a small
> > network.
> >
> > I'm going to look into using Edubuntu in LTSP.  See if it has a setup
> > for LTSP.
> > On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 20:03 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Don't be a pioneeer.  A pioneer is the guy with the arrow through his
chest.  -- John J. Rakos


From mattkubilus at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 09:54:19 2006
From: mattkubilus at gmail.com (Matt Kubilus)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:54:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] how about XMMS2? [was: playlists not available in
	RealPlayer?]
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f30827e5f3b9aca00e65b0c0f.308286ae@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
	<455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>
	<fc.00249f0f30827e5f3b9aca00e65b0c0f.308286ae@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <fccc61560611170654w325e7086k173e61cb000bd28b@mail.gmail.com>

I really like the interface to Amarok.  I think it looks great, I like
the way it works, I like the extras and features, and it has non-Linux
users go 'wow' when they see it.  Unfortunately, as is the case with
almost every other KDE based app I use, it is simply too flakey for
serious use.  Randomly in the middle of a song, in the middle of the
day, in the middle of me trying to work, Amarok will loudly garble all
the sound.  Features before stability huh?  I guess I'm back to XMMS.

-M

On 11/14/06, Brian D. Pitts <bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu> wrote:
>
>  Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>
>
>  what other small footprint players are folks using?  i want fairly good
>  integration and something that runs pretty light.
>
>  I prefered Beep Media Player (BMP), a fork of XMMS that uses GTK2. However,
> development of it has been discontinued in favor of BMPx, an almost complete
> rewrite. Developers who didn't like change of focus forked BMP to create
> Audacious Media Player.
>
>  XMMS -> BMP -> Audacious
>
>  http://audacious.nenolod.net/
>
>  -Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>


-- 
Don't be a pioneeer.  A pioneer is the guy with the arrow through his
chest.  -- John J. Rakos


From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Fri Nov 17 10:22:08 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:22:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Re-Resolved: Baby steps with SSL and GoAhead webserver
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611161655250.6839-100000@otter.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611171014400.11222-100000@otter.localdomain>

ALErs-

Just for closure (and for future web-searches - when I forget what I did 
8-):

I went one step too far. GoAhead's port for HTTPS (SSL) connections is
defined separately from that for HTTP connections, so I was stepping on my
own [foot] by setting 'port' to 443, the default for HTTPS. Now it's
working consistently.

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, John Mills wrote:

Nope. This _isn't_ needed to allow SSL connections:
 
> 1. Build the SSL-enabled server to listen only on port 443. <blush>(I must 
>    have thought _InterNet_Magic_(TM) somehow took care of that.)</blush>
 ...

In fact it was causing contention for which connection was actually 
possible.



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 11:35:17 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:35:17 -0600
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
Message-ID: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>

There is interest in my workplace in pursuing a "paperless" (or rather
"less paper") work flow.

The idea is as such:
New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.  These PDF
files would be "locked" in that they would not be able to be printed
(although they could be viewed) without some type of "digital signature"
(perhaps some type of watermark or stamp).  Only a select few would be
able to "sign" the documents for release, and after their being "signed"
they could then be printed by anyone.

I imagine the flow to look something like this:

new document -> unsigned, viewable (non-printable) pdf -> pdf gets
checked and is APPENDED with a "signature" -> appended pdf is now
available to be printed.

I am currently researching methods, pitfalls, and maybe some success
stories.  As always I would like some feedback, ideas, etc. about this.

Linux centric is preferred, but M$ solutions are welcome also.


From drifter at oppositelock.org  Fri Nov 17 12:08:29 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:08:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200611171208.41407.drifter@oppositelock.org>

On Friday 17 November 2006 11:35, Preston Boyington wrote:
| The idea is as such:
| New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.

My brother, who works for the DOJ in D.C. has a mostly "hate"
relationship with pdf files for one reason:  size.  A legal brief
is _much_ larger as a pdf file than as a word processor file. I
suspect the same is true for graphic files, regardless of type.

So the only down side I know of is storage space.  You will need a
lot of it.  More than you think.

Sean

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From scc4fun at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 12:11:36 2006
From: scc4fun at gmail.com (S C C)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:11:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef3819d0611170911r4755f46dicdd08cf62864a5ca@mail.gmail.com>

A quick look at adobe.com:

Adobe's products are for Win or Mac.

Adobe PDF Security:
http://www.adobe.com/products/pdfs/AdobePDFSecurityGuide-c.pdf

Adobe LiveCycle Document Security Server (datasheet)
http://www.adobe.com/products/server/securityserver/pdfs/docsecurityserver_ds.pdf



On 11/17/06, Preston Boyington <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> There is interest in my workplace in pursuing a "paperless" (or rather
> "less paper") work flow.
>
> The idea is as such:
> New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.  These PDF
> files would be "locked" in that they would not be able to be printed
> (although they could be viewed) without some type of "digital signature"
> (perhaps some type of watermark or stamp).  Only a select few would be
> able to "sign" the documents for release, and after their being "signed"
> they could then be printed by anyone.
>
> I imagine the flow to look something like this:
>
> new document -> unsigned, viewable (non-printable) pdf -> pdf gets
> checked and is APPENDED with a "signature" -> appended pdf is now
> available to be printed.
>
> I am currently researching methods, pitfalls, and maybe some success
> stories.  As always I would like some feedback, ideas, etc. about this.
>
> Linux centric is preferred, but M$ solutions are welcome also.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mohandas Gandhi


From drifter at oppositelock.org  Fri Nov 17 12:33:29 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:33:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] printers, scanner, monitor
Message-ID: <200611171233.46535.drifter@oppositelock.org>

All have got to go.

Viewsonic PS790 "19-inch" CRT.  18" diagonal actually viewable.
     with cables. Excellent color fidelity. 

Epson Stylus Photo 1270 color inkjet: handles paper 11 inches wide.
     Capable of exhibition quality prints but must be used
     several times a week or the ink jets dry up.
HP laserjet 5MP - parallel port 6 ppm postscript printer.
     This one is as reliable as a stone ax.

SCSI scanner HP Scanjet 3C
    (If anybody wants this one I'll pry the SCSI card out of the
    computer.)

If anybody is interested, write me and we can dicker. I can deliver
to the next ALE Central meeting. CUPS has the drivers for both
printers so setup is trivial.

Otherwise I'm going to toss the scanner and give the other three
away to some needy charity/school.

For the record I have replaced the two printers with an HP 2605dn
and it seems to be working well, although getting the drivers downloaded
and working was more of a bitch than I thought it would be.
For $335 at Office Depot (after rebates) this seems to be a deal as
it prints double-sided and hooks to the network. At a listed 12 ppm
for text it is comparatively slow, but the color work is very good.

Sean

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From hbbs at comcast.net  Fri Nov 17 12:52:23 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:52:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <200611171208.41407.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
	<200611171208.41407.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <455DF6D7.1090004@comcast.net>

That's because they're generating PDFs as images instead of formatted
text.  Do it right and size isn't a problem.   Have your brother get
with me; I can be had as an 8(a) subcontractor. :)

- Jeff

Sean Kilpatrick wrote:
> On Friday 17 November 2006 11:35, Preston Boyington wrote:
> | The idea is as such:
> | New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.
>
> My brother, who works for the DOJ in D.C. has a mostly "hate"
> relationship with pdf files for one reason:  size.  A legal brief
> is _much_ larger as a pdf file than as a word processor file. I
> suspect the same is true for graphic files, regardless of type.
>
> So the only down side I know of is storage space.  You will need a
> lot of it.  More than you think.
>
> Sean



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Fri Nov 17 13:15:51 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 13:15:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f308aae143b9aca007fdcbe96.308ab000@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> on Fri Nov 17 2006 at 11:35 -0500 wrote:
>I am currently researching methods, pitfalls, and maybe some success
>stories.  As always I would like some feedback, ideas, etc. about this.
>
>Linux centric is preferred, but M$ solutions are welcome also.

Have you looked at http://www.alfresco.com ? They seem to have a very
sophisticated open source document management solution.

-Brian

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From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Fri Nov 17 15:15:30 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:15:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611171215g3f33459bwc04309104995be09@mail.gmail.com>

Preston,

If you have $100K+ to make this happen we sell a custom high-end doc.
mgmt. system that I think does everything you want.  It is PDF based
and allows workflows to be built into it.  We typically sell it into
Insurance firms etc. that move a lot of paperless info around.  I'm
not all that familiar with it, but if your interested I could have our
lead developer on that product give you a call.

Greg

On 11/17/06, Preston Boyington <preston.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> There is interest in my workplace in pursuing a "paperless" (or rather
> "less paper") work flow.
>
> The idea is as such:
> New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.  These PDF
> files would be "locked" in that they would not be able to be printed
> (although they could be viewed) without some type of "digital signature"
> (perhaps some type of watermark or stamp).  Only a select few would be
> able to "sign" the documents for release, and after their being "signed"
> they could then be printed by anyone.
>
> I imagine the flow to look something like this:
>
> new document -> unsigned, viewable (non-printable) pdf -> pdf gets
> checked and is APPENDED with a "signature" -> appended pdf is now
> available to be printed.
>
> I am currently researching methods, pitfalls, and maybe some success
> stories.  As always I would like some feedback, ideas, etc. about this.
>
> Linux centric is preferred, but M$ solutions are welcome also.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From richard at curbob.com  Fri Nov 17 15:40:06 2006
From: richard at curbob.com (Richard Curry)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:40:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] (OT) Paperless environment
In-Reply-To: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
References: <455DE4C5.9070003@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455E1E26.5060407@curbob.com>

When I worked At NetApp, they had hardware that did just about what you 
want and it also fits the space issue, since it's part of their Filers. 
I don't remember what it was called but one other avenue you may want to 
look at.


Preston Boyington wrote:
> There is interest in my workplace in pursuing a "paperless" (or rather
> "less paper") work flow.
>
> The idea is as such:
> New drawings and other material would be published to PDF.  These PDF
> files would be "locked" in that they would not be able to be printed
> (although they could be viewed) without some type of "digital signature"
> (perhaps some type of watermark or stamp).  Only a select few would be
> able to "sign" the documents for release, and after their being "signed"
> they could then be printed by anyone.
>
> I imagine the flow to look something like this:
>
> new document -> unsigned, viewable (non-printable) pdf -> pdf gets
> checked and is APPENDED with a "signature" -> appended pdf is now
> available to be printed.
>
> I am currently researching methods, pitfalls, and maybe some success
> stories.  As always I would like some feedback, ideas, etc. about this.
>
> Linux centric is preferred, but M$ solutions are welcome also.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
>
>   



From william at fragakis.com  Fri Nov 17 16:58:34 2006
From: william at fragakis.com (William Fragakis)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:58:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Donated computers
In-Reply-To: <1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163687351.4435.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<1d065ed40611160705j55328c1kff85b88766369589@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1163800714.3263.35.camel@server.ltsp>

(I top post - it's just the way I am)

definitely K12LTSP. Why make them Win 98 dogs or under powered Linux
boxes when you can run Fedora 6 on them (ver 6 with Fedora 6 is beta
testing now).  You need one decent server, a gigabit switch and off you
go. It is almost silly to do anything else (maybe except Edubuntu but
K12LTSP is the most turn key of them all).

There are some really good early learning programs included. 

This is exactly the kind of situation where LTSP excels.

A P4 2.4 ghz box or AMD equivalent and a gig of ram will do nicely as a
server but you could make do with less if you had to. Remember that kids
love to run graphics intensive programs so the server needs to be a bit
beefier than what adults might use.

regards,
William

On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 10:05 -0500, Alex LeDonne wrote:
> On 11/16/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > My kids' daycare was donated about 8+ computers.  Apparently my wife
> > volunteered me to take a look.  Today I looked.  It appears all of these
> > machines are Dell Dimension XPS D333 computers.  The have all the normal
> > features but are PII-333 adn 128m of memory.  Where it counts they seem
> > to be lacking.  IMO these computers would make nice boat anchors since
> > they are heavy and can grab mud easily.
> >
> > My thought is that these computers feel like circa 1998 machines.  I
> > could treat them as such.  They could load Win98 on them and then find
> > educational software from around that time that is compatible and run
> > that.  As long as the machine is good they will be in good shape.
> >
> > I wanted to try the educational version of Ubuntu but that would just
> > require too much memory and CPU.  Even trying to find and get memory for
> > these systems would be a pain.
> >
> > I wish that when people would donate computers they would at least try
> > to donate something they would find worthy for them self.  Don't donate
> > the stuff you consider trash.  I know there is a parable that talks
> > about this.....
> >
> 
> Those sound like excellent LTSP terminals. See
> http://k12ltsp.org/contents.html for the LTSP subproject specifically
> for K-12 schools and the like.
> 
> -A
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From rb211 at tds.net  Fri Nov 17 17:34:36 2006
From: rb211 at tds.net (William Bagwell)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Make emacs show "invisible" characters
In-Reply-To: <455CE1D6.5060205@kneuro.net>
References: <455CE1D6.5060205@kneuro.net>
Message-ID: <200611171734.36508.rb211@tds.net>

On Thursday 16 November 2006 05:10 pm, JK wrote:
> I used to know how to do this, but neither my brain
> nor Google is my friend today.
>
> I'm editing a source file that has line-ending issues --
> it's got a mix of DOS and Unix line endings. ?I know
> there is a way to provoke emacs to explicitly display
> the line-ending characters (^M, ^J, etc) and other
> normally "invisible" whitespace, but I can't find it.
> Any clues?

Sorry no clue how to do this in emacs. But if you got a private reply 
please share. I would be intersted in showing line feeds in *any* text 
editor. Recently needed to do something similar, and resorted to using a 
hex editor. Fortunately it was a short script...
-- 
William



From hbbs at comcast.net  Fri Nov 17 23:44:38 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:44:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
Message-ID: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>

I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
the power LED on the front panel remains on. 

Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.). 

I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.

- Jeff


From gonzas at gonzas.net  Sat Nov 18 10:19:48 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:19:48 -0200
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
In-Reply-To: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>
References: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>

this is a hardware failure .
check again ,..

2006/11/18, Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>:
>
> I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
> many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
> period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
> minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
> the power LED on the front panel remains on.
>
> Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
> correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
> since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
> knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.).
>
> I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.
>
> - Jeff
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



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From benjie.godfrey at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 10:47:29 2006
From: benjie.godfrey at gmail.com (Benjie)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 10:47:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>
	<a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb5a0611180747y18a596e6nffc040f528be3ba3@mail.gmail.com>

This sounds like either a bad power supply, or a bad power control
circuit on the mainboard.
( It could be something as simple as a bad capacitor.)  Can you hook
up another power supply?  ( The power LED would stay on even if the PS
is bad because you would be getting some power, just not enough to run
the machine.)

Benjie

On 11/18/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> this is a hardware failure .
> check again ,..
>
> 2006/11/18, Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>:
> > I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
> > many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
> > period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
> > minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
> > the power LED on the front panel remains on.
> >
> > Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
> > correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
> > since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
> > knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.).
> >
> > I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.
> >
> > - Jeff
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Gonza
> www.gonzas.net
> gonzas at gonzas.net
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>


-- 
Occam's eraser: The philosophical principle that even the simplest
solution is bound to have something wrong with it.


From vernard at venger.net  Sat Nov 18 11:07:53 2006
From: vernard at venger.net (Vernard Martin)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:07:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] unified home directory different OS versions
In-Reply-To: <20061114164242.108944ab@king.vb.futz.org>
References: <32907992.1163528946027.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<20061114164242.108944ab@king.vb.futz.org>
Message-ID: <455F2FD9.5010602@venger.net>

Robert Story wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 13:29:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Dow_Hurst wrote:
> D> How do enterprise environments deal with unified home directories among Linux machines with different OS versions and distributions?
>
> I'll see your 'different OS versions', and raise you 'different CPU
> architectures'. I've had this problem for years at home with my mix of
> ppc/x86 machines, and have never found a good solution. I use the kludge you
> mentioned (user data directory + per machine home directory), with the
>   
Way back in the dark ages when I was a sysaadmin at GA Tech in the
College of Computing, we had Solaris, SunOS, SGI IRIX and RedHat Linux. 
So we created some master .login and .profile scripts (for both csh and
ksh shell users respectively) that figured out what architecture you
were on and setup the environment variables appropriately for the major
applications that we were using: Web Browser, LaTex, etc.

We discovered that the time it took to actually maintain this system
with the literally hundreds of applications that we had to support (both
open source and third party vendor) was much less than the time it took
to either upgrade all the machines to the same OS level or decomission
the machines that couldn't be upgraded. We ended up with a combo of
Solaris and RedHat at the end and that was manageable for the most part.
But I strongly encourage you to reduce the number of target platform
combinations you have as much as possible before attempting to solve
this problem. It greatly reduced the amount of work involved.




From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Sat Nov 18 13:05:05 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:05:05 -0500
Subject: [ale] What's the mail port?
Message-ID: <455F4B51.8020503@fayettedigital.com>

I know, dumb question.  Here's the problem.  I've been doing 
Unix/Linux/Solaris/Sunos/Irix/UnicosXenix sys admin tasks for better 
than 20 years but always someone else has taken care of mail so other 
than some simple stuff like configuring a pop client, I've not messed 
with mail.
  So I decided I needed more control over my life or at least my 
computers and I've subscribed to a VPS to get my feet wet.   I've locked 
it down very tight.  So tight that mail isn't getting into the system 
because the port isn't open.  I don't understand the log well enough to 
know what port it is preventing access to.  Here's a line:

Nov 18 12:41:04 fdcga kernel: RULE 8 -- DENY IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=fe:fd:45:5d:7f:cd:00:02:fc:64:d8:af:08:00 SRC=205.152.59.68 
DST=69.93.127.205 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=49 ID=20197 DF PROTO=TCP 
SPT=16109 DPT=25 WINDOW=25416 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0

And another one.

Nov 18 12:45:06 fdcga kernel: RULE 8 -- DENY IN=eth0 OUT= 
MAC=ee:fd:45:5d:7f:cd:00:d0:ba:1f:b5:cf:08:00 SRC=xx.xx.xx.xx 
DST=xx.xx.1xx.xx LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=28102 DF PROTO=TCP 
SPT=3221 DPT=135 WINDOW=64240 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

  If DPT is the port, then 25 is logical, but I don't want to open 25 up 
without first knowing I'm not going to be running a open relay.  So I 
guess my questions are, what ports to I need to open to make incoming 
mail work and how do I configure postfix so I'm not running an open relay? 

This is a ubuntu 6 install I think.

Thanks,
Jim.


From hbbs at comcast.net  Sat Nov 18 13:10:56 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:10:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
In-Reply-To: <ee2fcb5a0611180747y18a596e6nffc040f528be3ba3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>	<a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee2fcb5a0611180747y18a596e6nffc040f528be3ba3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455F4CB0.8080505@comcast.net>

I really don't have another PS to put in its place (it's a low-profile
job with a fan in a particular place, so I doubt I could buy a
replacement easily and cheaply).  I'm pretty sure that it's not because
of anything I've done on the OS side (including a Xen host kernel and
lm_sensors) because last night it switched off while booted to a Ubuntu
CD.  Right now, it has been up 12 hours on a Gentoo LiveCD, but that
doesn't mean much - it went for 24 just a day or so ago. 

I've got a message in to SuperMicro - we'll see if I wind up just RMAing
the whole thing.

- Jeff

Benjie wrote:
> This sounds like either a bad power supply, or a bad power control
> circuit on the mainboard.
> ( It could be something as simple as a bad capacitor.)  Can you hook
> up another power supply?  ( The power LED would stay on even if the PS
> is bad because you would be getting some power, just not enough to run
> the machine.)
>
> Benjie
>
> On 11/18/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
>   
>> this is a hardware failure .
>> check again ,..
>>
>> 2006/11/18, Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>:
>>     
>>> I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
>>> many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
>>> period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
>>> minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
>>> the power LED on the front panel remains on.
>>>
>>> Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
>>> correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
>>> since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
>>> knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.).
>>>
>>> I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.
>>>
>>> - Jeff
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ale mailing list
>>> Ale at ale.org
>>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> --
>> Gonza
>> www.gonzas.net
>> gonzas at gonzas.net
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
>> Ale at ale.org
>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
>   



From docx at io.com  Sat Nov 18 13:20:29 2006
From: docx at io.com (Dylan Northrup)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 12:20:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [ale] What's the mail port?
In-Reply-To: <455F4B51.8020503@fayettedigital.com>
References: <455F4B51.8020503@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <20061118121949.L15049@eris.io.com>

This is one of my interview questions.  Port 25 is for mail.  If you forget,
you can check /etc/services for well known services.

A long time ago, (18.11.06), in a galaxy far, far away, Jim wrote:

:=I know, dumb question.  Here's the problem.  I've been doing 
:=Unix/Linux/Solaris/Sunos/Irix/UnicosXenix sys admin tasks for better 
:=than 20 years but always someone else has taken care of mail so other 
:=than some simple stuff like configuring a pop client, I've not messed 
:=with mail.
:=  So I decided I needed more control over my life or at least my 
:=computers and I've subscribed to a VPS to get my feet wet.   I've locked 
:=it down very tight.  So tight that mail isn't getting into the system 
:=because the port isn't open.  I don't understand the log well enough to 
:=know what port it is preventing access to.  Here's a line:
:=
:=Nov 18 12:41:04 fdcga kernel: RULE 8 -- DENY IN=eth0 OUT= 
:=MAC=fe:fd:45:5d:7f:cd:00:02:fc:64:d8:af:08:00 SRC=205.152.59.68 
:=DST=69.93.127.205 LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=49 ID=20197 DF PROTO=TCP 
:=SPT=16109 DPT=25 WINDOW=25416 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0
:=
:=And another one.
:=
:=Nov 18 12:45:06 fdcga kernel: RULE 8 -- DENY IN=eth0 OUT= 
:=MAC=ee:fd:45:5d:7f:cd:00:d0:ba:1f:b5:cf:08:00 SRC=xx.xx.xx.xx 
:=DST=xx.xx.1xx.xx LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=117 ID=28102 DF PROTO=TCP 
:=SPT=3221 DPT=135 WINDOW=64240 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
:=
:=  If DPT is the port, then 25 is logical, but I don't want to open 25 up 
:=without first knowing I'm not going to be running a open relay.  So I 
:=guess my questions are, what ports to I need to open to make incoming 
:=mail work and how do I configure postfix so I'm not running an open relay? 
:=
:=This is a ubuntu 6 install I think.
:=
:=Thanks,
:=Jim.
:=_______________________________________________
:=Ale mailing list
:=Ale at ale.org
:=http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
:=

-- 
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"Harder to work, harder to strive, hard to be glad to be alive, but it's 
 really worth it if you give it a try." -- Cowboy Mouth, 'Easy'


From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Sat Nov 18 13:27:52 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:27:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] What's the mail port?
In-Reply-To: <455F4B51.8020503@fayettedigital.com>
References: <455F4B51.8020503@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f308cb2733b9aca008db9ad20.308cb285@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> on Sat Nov 18 2006 at 13:05 -0500 wrote:
>how do I configure postfix so I'm not running an open relay?

http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html should get you going.

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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Sat Nov 18 14:08:13 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 14:08:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
In-Reply-To: <455F4CB0.8080505@comcast.net>
References: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>
	<a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee2fcb5a0611180747y18a596e6nffc040f528be3ba3@mail.gmail.com>
	<455F4CB0.8080505@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1163876893.5183.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

Since the failure happens before the system is out of BIOS read on a
cold boot, it is all hardware. It may be power supply or mainboard. Test
with another PS without actually installing it. Just be sure the PS has
frame contact to the case for proper grounding.

Secondary cause: reset switch faulty on case. Disconnect the rest button
from the mainboard. In fact, disconnecting both power and reset buttons
makes sense. Start the system with a screwdriver to short the power
leads.

On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 13:10 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> I really don't have another PS to put in its place (it's a low-profile
> job with a fan in a particular place, so I doubt I could buy a
> replacement easily and cheaply).  I'm pretty sure that it's not because
> of anything I've done on the OS side (including a Xen host kernel and
> lm_sensors) because last night it switched off while booted to a Ubuntu
> CD.  Right now, it has been up 12 hours on a Gentoo LiveCD, but that
> doesn't mean much - it went for 24 just a day or so ago. 
> 
> I've got a message in to SuperMicro - we'll see if I wind up just RMAing
> the whole thing.
> 
> - Jeff
> 
> Benjie wrote:
> > This sounds like either a bad power supply, or a bad power control
> > circuit on the mainboard.
> > ( It could be something as simple as a bad capacitor.)  Can you hook
> > up another power supply?  ( The power LED would stay on even if the PS
> > is bad because you would be getting some power, just not enough to run
> > the machine.)
> >
> > Benjie
> >
> > On 11/18/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> >   
> >> this is a hardware failure .
> >> check again ,..
> >>
> >> 2006/11/18, Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>:
> >>     
> >>> I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
> >>> many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
> >>> period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
> >>> minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
> >>> the power LED on the front panel remains on.
> >>>
> >>> Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
> >>> correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
> >>> since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
> >>> knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.).
> >>>
> >>> I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.
> >>>
> >>> - Jeff
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Ale mailing list
> >>> Ale at ale.org
> >>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gonza
> >> www.gonzas.net
> >> gonzas at gonzas.net
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Ale mailing list
> >> Ale at ale.org
> >> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >>
> >>
> >>     
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
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CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

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From benjie.godfrey at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 15:03:39 2006
From: benjie.godfrey at gmail.com (Benjie)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:03:39 -0500
Subject: [ale] Server PS shuts off for no reason
In-Reply-To: <1163876893.5183.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
References: <455E8FB6.3090104@comcast.net>
	<a7d4142f0611180719yb3e45e7p4f7f838f7cd1505f@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee2fcb5a0611180747y18a596e6nffc040f528be3ba3@mail.gmail.com>
	<455F4CB0.8080505@comcast.net>
	<1163876893.5183.15.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <ee2fcb5a0611181203w576aca6fr40bcdffa00d359dc@mail.gmail.com>

You can still open a 1U case and plug an ATX PS in.  You are probably
right that you will end up with a RMA.  Since it is running with a
live cd, I would be inclined to think that it is a bad PS. You aren't
really using the hard drive, and hard drives pull a lot of juice on
boot and during heavy I/O.

On 11/18/06, James P. Kinney III <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com> wrote:
> Since the failure happens before the system is out of BIOS read on a
> cold boot, it is all hardware. It may be power supply or mainboard. Test
> with another PS without actually installing it. Just be sure the PS has
> frame contact to the case for proper grounding.
>
> Secondary cause: reset switch faulty on case. Disconnect the rest button
> from the mainboard. In fact, disconnecting both power and reset buttons
> makes sense. Start the system with a screwdriver to short the power
> leads.
>
> On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 13:10 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> > I really don't have another PS to put in its place (it's a low-profile
> > job with a fan in a particular place, so I doubt I could buy a
> > replacement easily and cheaply).  I'm pretty sure that it's not because
> > of anything I've done on the OS side (including a Xen host kernel and
> > lm_sensors) because last night it switched off while booted to a Ubuntu
> > CD.  Right now, it has been up 12 hours on a Gentoo LiveCD, but that
> > doesn't mean much - it went for 24 just a day or so ago.
> >
> > I've got a message in to SuperMicro - we'll see if I wind up just RMAing
> > the whole thing.
> >
> > - Jeff
> >
> > Benjie wrote:
> > > This sounds like either a bad power supply, or a bad power control
> > > circuit on the mainboard.
> > > ( It could be something as simple as a bad capacitor.)  Can you hook
> > > up another power supply?  ( The power LED would stay on even if the PS
> > > is bad because you would be getting some power, just not enough to run
> > > the machine.)
> > >
> > > Benjie
> > >
> > > On 11/18/06, Gonzalo Seoane <gonzas at gonzas.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> this is a hardware failure .
> > >> check again ,..
> > >>
> > >> 2006/11/18, Jeff Hubbs <hbbs at comcast.net>:
> > >>
> > >>> I have a SuperMicro 5013C-T 1U server that I've been setting up over
> > >>> many weeks and just recently, it's started shutting itself off after a
> > >>> period of seconds (i.e., not even long enough to finish booting),
> > >>> minutes, or even many hours.  The interesting thing about this is that
> > >>> the power LED on the front panel remains on.
> > >>>
> > >>> Are there any non-hardware-failure things I should check?  I can't
> > >>> correlate these shutoffs to any one thing I might have done, especially
> > >>> since I've been doing a great many things (none of which have been
> > >>> knowingly tied to any sort of wake-on-lan, etc.).
> > >>>
> > >>> I've updated the BIOS and tried booting with pci=noacpi; no joy.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Jeff
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Ale mailing list
> > >>> Ale at ale.org
> > >>> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Gonza
> > >> www.gonzas.net
> > >> gonzas at gonzas.net
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Ale mailing list
> > >> Ale at ale.org
> > >> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> --
> James P. Kinney III
> CEO & Director of Engineering
> Local Net Solutions,LLC
> 770-493-8244
> http://www.localnetsolutions.com
>
> GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
> <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
> Fingerprint = 3C9E 6366 54FC A3FE BA4D 0659 6190 ADC3 829C 6CA7
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
>


-- 
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solution is bound to have something wrong with it.


From marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 15:24:24 2006
From: marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com (Marvin,
	International Martian of Mystery)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:24:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455F6BF8.8090202@gmail.com>

Jerry Yu wrote:
> greg,
> Is the box, with which you tested, NATed?  Either way, if the remote 
> can't
> reverse lookup your IP, they could be some DNS delays there.
>
Everything on a Cbeyond hookup is NATed behind a Cisco router.


From marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 15:26:25 2006
From: marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com (Marvin,
	International Martian of Mystery)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:26:25 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611060933t366bac87h16acffbb36c951f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611060933t366bac87h16acffbb36c951f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <455F6C71.3030900@gmail.com>

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Good idea about the reverse DNS issue.  I had totally forgotten about
> that and I should know enough not to do that.  ie. I've hit that
> problem many times before.
>
> I just verified that cbeyond does not have a default reverse DNS setup
> for my static IPs.  Hopefully they have a way for me to create those
Yep.  They've got a web interface to let you handle all your DNS stuff, 
along with most everything else...   Just login to your account, and 
click on the "services" button.









From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 18 16:31:49 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:31:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Will it work with PostgreSQL ?

Thank you,
Courtney
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Day" <jasonday at worldnet.att.net>
To: ale at ale.org
To: <fd0man at gmail.com>; "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?


> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 12:50:31PM -0500, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> > That having been said, is there any free (libre) software that anyone
> > has seen that is good with providing a user interface to create complex
> > databases in a better way?
> 
> Have you looked at tora?  http://tora.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Jason
> -- 
> Jason Day                                       jasonday at
> http://jasonday.home.att.net                    worldnet dot att dot net
>  
> "Of course I'm paranoid, everyone is trying to kill me."
>     -- Weyoun-6, Star Trek: Deep Space 9
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From fd0man at gmail.com  Sat Nov 18 19:22:34 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 19:22:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <1163895754.13972.1.camel@pepper>

On Sat, 2006-11-18 at 16:31 -0500, Courtney Thomas wrote:

> Will it work with PostgreSQL ?
> 
> Thank you,
> Courtney


Possibly -- PostgreSQL tries to model itself at least somewhat after
Oracle in terms of compatibility.

However, it appears that I will wind up having to add this to the stack
of projects that I seem to be accumulating for "needs to be written"
work.  I did find another project -- some GNU software -- that was for
database design, but it really was hard to use.  I don't know if it was
because it was written in Tcl or what, but the interface was horrible
and nearly unreadable.

    -- Mike

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From jb at sourceillustrated.com  Mon Nov 20 08:56:27 2006
From: jb at sourceillustrated.com (John Wells)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:56:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Blind Debian updates?
Message-ID: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>

Guys,

I have a number of Debian servers that I don't get to check in on as much
as I'd like. I'd like to make sure these are kept as up to date as
possible regarding security patches, and am considering setting up a cron
job to run "apt-get upgrade" on a nightly basis.

Anyone else doing this? What is your exact setup? Any caveats?

Thanks, as always. Hope you're all doing well.

John


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From kaboom at oobleck.net  Mon Nov 20 08:40:20 2006
From: kaboom at oobleck.net (Chris Ricker)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>

On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Courtney Thomas wrote:

> Will it work with PostgreSQL ?

It supports PostgreSQL and MySQL also -- most distro builds of it include 
those and omit the Oracle support

later,
chris


From james.sumners at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 09:40:04 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:40:04 -0500
Subject: [ale] Blind Debian updates?
In-Reply-To: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
References: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611200640g77d2ffbegf1505bb7fb6a5ed3@mail.gmail.com>

I can not stress enough how bad this idea is. Just one example: what
if the repository you are using gets compromised and you are
automatically updating from it every day? That isn't good.

I don't have the time to login to my servers and check for updates
either. That's why I wrote the script I have posted at
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/code.php to check for available
updates and send me an email. The email it sends isn't pretty, but it
tells me what packages are out-of-date. I can decide from there if I
need to immediately login and update the system, or if I can wait a
while.

On 11/20/06, John Wells <jb at sourceillustrated.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I have a number of Debian servers that I don't get to check in on as much
> as I'd like. I'd like to make sure these are kept as up to date as
> possible regarding security patches, and am considering setting up a cron
> job to run "apt-get upgrade" on a nightly basis.
>
> Anyone else doing this? What is your exact setup? Any caveats?
>
> Thanks, as always. Hope you're all doing well.
>
> John

-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Mon Nov 20 09:51:31 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:51:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] Blind Debian updates?
In-Reply-To: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
References: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
Message-ID: <4561C0F3.2090504@fayettedigital.com>

I did that for a long time on my home system, but disabled it once to do 
some manual upgrades and never got around to starting to do it again.  
There may be a better way, but I put only the "deb 
http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main" line in my 
sources.list.  Of course when I'd go to add a new package I'd have 
forgotten about that and scratched my head when apt-get said it couldn't 
find the package I wanted to load.

Jim.

John Wells wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I have a number of Debian servers that I don't get to check in on as much
> as I'd like. I'd like to make sure these are kept as up to date as
> possible regarding security patches, and am considering setting up a cron
> job to run "apt-get upgrade" on a nightly basis.
>
> Anyone else doing this? What is your exact setup? Any caveats?
>
> Thanks, as always. Hope you're all doing well.
>
> John
>
>
>   



From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 09:55:58 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 09:55:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Internet connectivity question
In-Reply-To: <455F6C71.3030900@gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611020907n59996fa5od36d282317907013@mail.gmail.com>
	<1162488447.13975.48.camel@localhost>
	<454BD5D0.1060102@dp-indexing.com>
	<1162604034.32060.9.camel@localhost>
	<4ffdf1bc0611040301p42071fdfp57c534a1a1defb09@mail.gmail.com>
	<87f94c370611060933t366bac87h16acffbb36c951f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<455F6C71.3030900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611200655p5d5f5158q440633a581cea784@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/18/06, Marvin,  International Martian of Mystery
<marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg Freemyer wrote:
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Good idea about the reverse DNS issue.  I had totally forgotten about
> > that and I should know enough not to do that.  ie. I've hit that
> > problem many times before.
> >
> > I just verified that cbeyond does not have a default reverse DNS setup
> > for my static IPs.  Hopefully they have a way for me to create those
> Yep.  They've got a web interface to let you handle all your DNS stuff,
> along with most everything else...   Just login to your account, and
> click on the "services" button.

Actually for reverse DNS you have to send in an e-mail, but they did
it within 24 hours, so I've been running good for a couple weeks.

Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 20 18:37:02 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:37:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
 version" in Debian ?
Message-ID: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>

I have an older piece of hardware that is only functional by means of a 
"Woody" utility, though I'm running "testing".

The powers that be... decided to discontinue support for this this NIC  :-)

The utility is "jump" if it matters.

I've tried the "testing" included version and it doesn't work, though it
did work under "Woody".

The reason it's necessary is that my motherboard slots are used up and 
it's a parallel port NIC, so as you can see, I'm locked off the internet 
'til this previous working version is installed, as the NIC won't 
properly install without it. Or, if it will, I don't know how to do it 
and was successful using jump under Woody.

But when I: apt-get -f install jump, I just get a complaint 
that..."package pump is not available", though it is in 
/var/cache/apt/archives as jump-0.8.3-3_i386.deb.

Guidance appreciated,

Courtney


From preston.lists at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 17:56:09 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:56:09 -0600
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
 version" in Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <45623289.6090409@gmail.com>

Courtney Thomas wrote:
<snipped>
> 
> But when I: apt-get -f install jump, I just get a complaint 
> that..."package pump is not available", though it is in 
> /var/cache/apt/archives as jump-0.8.3-3_i386.deb.
> 
> Guidance appreciated,
> 
> Courtney

Courtney, I don't immediately see "jump", by chance do you mean "pump"?

the latest pump package i see is:
Source package pump

    * oldstable (base): 0.8.11-5
      Binary packages: pump, pump-udeb

    * stable (base): 0.8.21-2
      Binary packages: pump

    * testing (admin): 0.8.24-2
      Binary packages: pump

    * unstable (admin): 0.8.24-2
      Binary packages: pump

which would be installed "apt-get install pump"
i usually do:
	apt-get update
	apt-get install <package> --dry-run (goes through all the motions of
installing without actually doing so)

then if all looks good i do the command again without the "--dry-run"

apologies if i am mistaken...


From jeb at rev-x.com  Mon Nov 20 17:10:43 2006
From: jeb at rev-x.com (Jeb Barger)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:10:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Blind Debian updates?
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611200640g77d2ffbegf1505bb7fb6a5ed3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
	<ed62030a0611200640g77d2ffbegf1505bb7fb6a5ed3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <456227E3.5010100@rev-x.com>

James Sumners wrote:
> I can not stress enough how bad this idea is. Just one example: what
> if the repository you are using gets compromised and you are
> automatically updating from it every day? That isn't good.
>
> I don't have the time to login to my servers and check for updates
> either. That's why I wrote the script I have posted at
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/code.php to check for available
> updates and send me an email. The email it sends isn't pretty, but it
> tells me what packages are out-of-date. I can decide from there if I
> need to immediately login and update the system, or if I can wait a
> while.
>
> On 11/20/06, John Wells <jb at sourceillustrated.com> wrote:
>   
>> Guys,
>>
>> I have a number of Debian servers that I don't get to check in on as much
>> as I'd like. I'd like to make sure these are kept as up to date as
>> possible regarding security patches, and am considering setting up a cron
>> job to run "apt-get upgrade" on a nightly basis.
>>
>> Anyone else doing this? What is your exact setup? Any caveats?
>>
>> Thanks, as always. Hope you're all doing well.
>>
>> John
>>     
>
>   
Why not use apticron?


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 20 19:43:02 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:43:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
	version" in Debian ?
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net> <45623289.6090409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Preston,

More fully, I should have included the output from
    apt-get install pump

which is:
    "Package pump is not available, but is referred to by another package.
    This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is
available
    only from another source.
    Package pump has no installation candidate."

Also apt-get tries to access the sources.list but of course can't since my
NIC is inoperable without pump.

And again, I've put pump [previously functional Woody version] in
/var/cache/apt/archives before running
     apt-get install pump

Gratefully,
Courtney



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Boyington" <preston.lists at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
version" in Debian ?


> Courtney Thomas wrote:
> <snipped>
> >
> > But when I: apt-get -f install jump, I just get a complaint
> > that..."package pump is not available", though it is in
> > /var/cache/apt/archives as jump-0.8.3-3_i386.deb.
> >
> > Guidance appreciated,
> >
> > Courtney
>
> Courtney, I don't immediately see "jump", by chance do you mean "pump"?
>
> the latest pump package i see is:
> Source package pump
>
>     * oldstable (base): 0.8.11-5
>       Binary packages: pump, pump-udeb
>
>     * stable (base): 0.8.21-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
>     * testing (admin): 0.8.24-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
>     * unstable (admin): 0.8.24-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
> which would be installed "apt-get install pump"
> i usually do:
> apt-get update
> apt-get install <package> --dry-run (goes through all the motions of
> installing without actually doing so)
>
> then if all looks good i do the command again without the "--dry-run"
>
> apologies if i am mistaken...
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 20 19:34:19 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:34:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
	version" in Debian ?
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net> <45623289.6090409@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c70d04$c85e6c10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Preston,

Thank you and yes, I meant pump not jump.

The flaw in your recommendation about any upgrading is that since my NIC is
inoperable without
PUMP :-)  I can't do anything that requires internet access, but you are
correct that
    apt-get install pump
is exactly what I'm after, since I'm unable to access the web without the
NIC which requires pump.

Most appreciatively,
Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Boyington" <preston.lists at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
version" in Debian ?


> Courtney Thomas wrote:
> <snipped>
> >
> > But when I: apt-get -f install jump, I just get a complaint
> > that..."package pump is not available", though it is in
> > /var/cache/apt/archives as jump-0.8.3-3_i386.deb.
> >
> > Guidance appreciated,
> >
> > Courtney
>
> Courtney, I don't immediately see "jump", by chance do you mean "pump"?
>
> the latest pump package i see is:
> Source package pump
>
>     * oldstable (base): 0.8.11-5
>       Binary packages: pump, pump-udeb
>
>     * stable (base): 0.8.21-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
>     * testing (admin): 0.8.24-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
>     * unstable (admin): 0.8.24-2
>       Binary packages: pump
>
> which would be installed "apt-get install pump"
> i usually do:
> apt-get update
> apt-get install <package> --dry-run (goes through all the motions of
> installing without actually doing so)
>
> then if all looks good i do the command again without the "--dry-run"
>
> apologies if i am mistaken...
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Mon Nov 20 20:31:37 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:31:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out	of
	version" in Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net> <45623289.6090409@gmail.com>
	<003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

Try a manual download, sneakernet move and manual install:

http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/pump

with link to the download:

http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pump/pump_0.8.24-2_i386.deb

It should fit on a floppy according to the first page (under 100K
installed, <32K .deb file).

On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 19:43 -0500, Courtney Thomas wrote:
> Preston,
> 
> More fully, I should have included the output from
>     apt-get install pump
> 
> which is:
>     "Package pump is not available, but is referred to by another package.
>     This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is
> available
>     only from another source.
>     Package pump has no installation candidate."
> 
> Also apt-get tries to access the sources.list but of course can't since my
> NIC is inoperable without pump.
> 
> And again, I've put pump [previously functional Woody version] in
> /var/cache/apt/archives before running
>      apt-get install pump
> 
> Gratefully,
> Courtney
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Preston Boyington" <preston.lists at gmail.com>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
> version" in Debian ?
> 
> 
> > Courtney Thomas wrote:
> > <snipped>
> > >
> > > But when I: apt-get -f install jump, I just get a complaint
> > > that..."package pump is not available", though it is in
> > > /var/cache/apt/archives as jump-0.8.3-3_i386.deb.
> > >
> > > Guidance appreciated,
> > >
> > > Courtney
> >
> > Courtney, I don't immediately see "jump", by chance do you mean "pump"?
> >
> > the latest pump package i see is:
> > Source package pump
> >
> >     * oldstable (base): 0.8.11-5
> >       Binary packages: pump, pump-udeb
> >
> >     * stable (base): 0.8.21-2
> >       Binary packages: pump
> >
> >     * testing (admin): 0.8.24-2
> >       Binary packages: pump
> >
> >     * unstable (admin): 0.8.24-2
> >       Binary packages: pump
> >
> > which would be installed "apt-get install pump"
> > i usually do:
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get install <package> --dry-run (goes through all the motions of
> > installing without actually doing so)
> >
> > then if all looks good i do the command again without the "--dry-run"
> >
> > apologies if i am mistaken...
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From james.sumners at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 20:35:23 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:35:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] Blind Debian updates?
In-Reply-To: <456227E3.5010100@rev-x.com>
References: <63079.66.192.236.118.1164030987.squirrel@devsea.com>
	<ed62030a0611200640g77d2ffbegf1505bb7fb6a5ed3@mail.gmail.com>
	<456227E3.5010100@rev-x.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611201735j6a8a08a4k2a11cf02e1599913@mail.gmail.com>

Quite simply, because I had never heard of it. Now that I have, I
still don't think I will use it. Mine doesn't rely on any packages
that are not installed by default.

Thanks though. I'll remember it for the future.

On 11/20/06, Jeb Barger <jeb at rev-x.com> wrote:
> Why not use apticron?

-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From jloden at toughguy.net  Mon Nov 20 20:52:11 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:52:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] how about XMMS2? [was: playlists not available
	in	RealPlayer?]
In-Reply-To: <fccc61560611170654w325e7086k173e61cb000bd28b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>	<455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>	<fc.00249f0f30827e5f3b9aca00e65b0c0f.308286ae@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<fccc61560611170654w325e7086k173e61cb000bd28b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45625BCB.20004@toughguy.net>

Actually, since amarok itself doesn't do any of the sound decoding, then
that's a problem with the sound subsystem on your installation. It's
likely either that the decoding engine being used by Amarok (it's
configurable in the options, I believe the default is GStreamer) is
garbling the sound, or the sound card drivers aren't happy. Since you're
having no trouble playing sound in XMMS, I'd guess that it's the
particular decoding engine you're using.

Try installing the extra engines for amarok (amarok-engines is the
package name on ubuntu derivatives if memory serves), and see if you
have better luck with one of the other available options. I always had
the best luck with the xine engine, personally.

As far as KDE instability in general, the only KDE app I've ever had
flaky problems with is kmail. In that case, it's a known bug that crops
up  only for IMAP users, it's been open for quite a long time in the KDE
bugzilla listings, and I think it's even one of the top ten KDE "please
fix" poll results ;) Other than that not-so-stellar experience, I've
been really pleased with KDE in general and not really experienced
random instability or issues that have prevented me from using it -
until this year I was using a KDE desktop for multiple machines at work
and at home quite happil

Matt Kubilus wrote:
> I really like the interface to Amarok.  I think it looks great, I like
> the way it works, I like the extras and features, and it has non-Linux
> users go 'wow' when they see it.  Unfortunately, as is the case with
> almost every other KDE based app I use, it is simply too flakey for
> serious use.  Randomly in the middle of a song, in the middle of the
> day, in the middle of me trying to work, Amarok will loudly garble all
> the sound.  Features before stability huh?  I guess I'm back to XMMS.
>
> -M
>   




From jloden at toughguy.net  Mon Nov 20 21:08:18 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:08:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] Mail server config & SPAM control
Message-ID: <45625F92.2090704@toughguy.net>

Hi all,

I have been running my own mail server for a couple years and basically, 
I hacked it until it worked without really understanding much of what I 
was doing. I have Spamassassin filtering my incoming mail, and I've got 
sendmail working for sending and receiving mail. Lately a lot of SPAM 
has been getting through the SA filter, even after wiping the spam 
database and re-learning the spam from about 1500 recent spam emails.

What I'm looking for is recommendations (links, how-to guides, books are 
also appreciated) on:

1) reducing incoming SPAM through better tuning/use of SpamAssassin or 
another filtering system (not interested in blacklisting/RBLs or 
greylisting). I'm ok with using the Thunderbird spam filter here at home 
but that doesn't work on a mobile phone client, or when I use webmail or 
other clients, so I need something server-side.

2) Configuring sendmail (currently running 8.12.11) securely

3) Alternatives to sendmail, if recommended and any guides to 
configuration for the below (Postfix, perhaps?)

4) SMTP with some form of encrypted authentication (don't really know 
what the differences are between TLS or SSL or any other options) for users

5) Configuring POP and IMAP to use encrypted authentication so that my 
passwords aren't being sent in the clear (again, not sure what options 
are available there).

I realize this covers a lot of ground, but as I said, I'm just 
interested in tips and tricks, and of course recommendations based on 
your collective experience. I'm more than willing to do my homework and 
read suggested articles or books as well, so even if all you have to 
share is a useful tutorial url or a ISBN number, fire away!

Thanks,

-Jay


From mattkubilus at gmail.com  Mon Nov 20 23:24:24 2006
From: mattkubilus at gmail.com (Matt Kubilus)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:24:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] how about XMMS2? [was: playlists not available in
	RealPlayer?]
In-Reply-To: <45625BCB.20004@toughguy.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FC3B6@EXVS01.dsw.net>
	<4558ADE7.1010100@comcast.net>
	<200611131754.22257.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
	<a3c3e8150611132220y38e368cei7c5e277009dac31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<45597457.2040508@toughguy.net>
	<a3c3e8150611140645kb356938n835516b58c57e762@mail.gmail.com>
	<455A085A.3090005@gmail.com>
	<fc.00249f0f30827e5f3b9aca00e65b0c0f.308286ae@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<fccc61560611170654w325e7086k173e61cb000bd28b@mail.gmail.com>
	<45625BCB.20004@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <fccc61560611202024h648a8613he7cd00bf757da06@mail.gmail.com>

I believe it is aRts by default.  I've installed the amarok-xine, but
amarok is unable to use it for some reason.  I have work to do beside
debugging KDE apps, so XMMS it is.

Don't get me wrong, I really like KDE when it works.  Kopete over
Gaim.  On slow systems especially Konqueror is much faster than
firefox.  Wanted to use KDE on my laptop but the kdesudo dialog simply
doesn't work under Ubuntu.  I could try Kubuntu, but like I said, I
have work to do.

-M

On 11/20/06, Jay Loden <jloden at toughguy.net> wrote:
> Actually, since amarok itself doesn't do any of the sound decoding, then
> that's a problem with the sound subsystem on your installation. It's
> likely either that the decoding engine being used by Amarok (it's
> configurable in the options, I believe the default is GStreamer) is
> garbling the sound, or the sound card drivers aren't happy. Since you're
> having no trouble playing sound in XMMS, I'd guess that it's the
> particular decoding engine you're using.
>
> Try installing the extra engines for amarok (amarok-engines is the
> package name on ubuntu derivatives if memory serves), and see if you
> have better luck with one of the other available options. I always had
> the best luck with the xine engine, personally.
>
> As far as KDE instability in general, the only KDE app I've ever had
> flaky problems with is kmail. In that case, it's a known bug that crops
> up  only for IMAP users, it's been open for quite a long time in the KDE
> bugzilla listings, and I think it's even one of the top ten KDE "please
> fix" poll results ;) Other than that not-so-stellar experience, I've
> been really pleased with KDE in general and not really experienced
> random instability or issues that have prevented me from using it -
> until this year I was using a KDE desktop for multiple machines at work
> and at home quite happil
>
> Matt Kubilus wrote:
> > I really like the interface to Amarok.  I think it looks great, I like
> > the way it works, I like the extras and features, and it has non-Linux
> > users go 'wow' when they see it.  Unfortunately, as is the case with
> > almost every other KDE based app I use, it is simply too flakey for
> > serious use.  Randomly in the middle of a song, in the middle of the
> > day, in the middle of me trying to work, Amarok will loudly garble all
> > the sound.  Features before stability huh?  I guess I'm back to XMMS.
> >
> > -M
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Don't be a pioneeer.  A pioneer is the guy with the arrow through his
chest.  -- John J. Rakos


From stillwaxin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 01:32:54 2006
From: stillwaxin at gmail.com (Michael Still)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:32:54 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
Message-ID: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>

Ok after enough interest I have turned on the rsync server on
ftp.ale.org.  Right now just a few modules.  If there's interest for
others (for already existing mirrors) then let me know.

$ rsync ftp.ale.org::
fedora-updates  Fedora Core Updates
fedora-full     Fedora Core Full
suse-updates    Suse Updates
suse-full       Suse Full


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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 21 08:40:24 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:40:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is
	"out	ofversion" in Debian ?
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>
	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thanks James. I already tried that. In fact, that's how I got the formerly
working version of pump into
    /var/cache/apt/archives

Then I tried,
    apt-get install pump

with the previously posted err msg of
    no candidate for installation.

Gratefully,
Courtney

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James P. Kinney III" <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out
ofversion" in Debian ?


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> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 09:17:08 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 08:17:08 -0600
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is	"out
 ofversion" in Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
	<001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <45630A64.9000903@gmail.com>

Courtney Thomas wrote:
> Thanks James. I already tried that. In fact, that's how I got the formerly
> working version of pump into
>     /var/cache/apt/archives
> 
> Then I tried,
>     apt-get install pump
> 
> with the previously posted err msg of
>     no candidate for installation.
> 

that right.  apt is looking for the download mirror.  if you move it to
a directory yourself then you will use "dpkg" (debian package) to
install it.  (apt is just a nice frontend to dpkg)

if it were me i would do this:
place the pump deb in /opt/<some directory>
open a terminal
cd /opt/<some directory>
then do:
dpkg -i foo-vvv-rrr.deb

this will install a package (including unpacking and configuring) onto
the file system of the hard disk.

i think this is more what you are after.


From leeslist at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 10:34:11 2006
From: leeslist at gmail.com (lyric hartley)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:34:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] suse ent 9 sp3
Message-ID: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking to download an eval copy of sles 9sp3 (i know it is old
but this is what i need)...if anyone has a copy or knows where I can
find one that would be great (they used to have it on thier
site)...the novell site now only offers 9 and 10 but not sp3...i have
emailed novell and they said they would get back to me...but nothing
yet

thanks
Lee


From trey at fastmail.fm  Tue Nov 21 11:05:58 2006
From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:05:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] suse ent 9 sp3
In-Reply-To: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061121110558.09d65bf3@laptop.thesizemores.us>

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:34:11 -0500
"lyric hartley" <leeslist at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am looking to download an eval copy of sles 9sp3 (i know it is old
> but this is what i need)...if anyone has a copy or knows where I can
> find one that would be great (they used to have it on thier
> site)...the novell site now only offers 9 and 10 but not sp3...i have
> emailed novell and they said they would get back to me...but nothing
> yet
> 
> thanks
> Lee


Hi Lee-

Not aware of any SLES9SP3 ISOs...you could just burn the SLES9 GMC ISOs
and they 'update' to current (SP3 + Internet updates).

-- 
Cheers,
Trey
----
 
DeVries's Dilemma:
	If you hit two keys on the typewriter, the one you don't want
hits the paper.
 
Linux laptop 2.6.16.21-0.25-default i686 GNU/Linux
 11:04am  up 6 days 14:52,  6 users,  load average: 1.09, 1.13, 1.11


From rsj at radio.org  Tue Nov 21 11:51:53 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:51:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1164127913.4907.24.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>

Yes!!

Thanks, GT and others are very slow and this will help tremendously.

Randy

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 01:32 -0500, Michael Still wrote:
> Ok after enough interest I have turned on the rsync server on
> ftp.ale.org.  Right now just a few modules.  If there's interest for
> others (for already existing mirrors) then let me know.
> 
> $ rsync ftp.ale.org::
> fedora-updates  Fedora Core Updates
> fedora-full     Fedora Core Full
> suse-updates    Suse Updates
> suse-full       Suse Full
> 
> 
-- 
Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
Randy's Ham Shack
<rsj at radio.org>
FWD# 654871



From leeslist at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 11:53:05 2006
From: leeslist at gmail.com (lyric hartley)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:53:05 -0500
Subject: [ale] suse ent 9 sp3
In-Reply-To: <20061121110558.09d65bf3@laptop.thesizemores.us>
References: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061121110558.09d65bf3@laptop.thesizemores.us>
Message-ID: <dfa0f0b60611210853q6aa07b5ct52ecacea3de398a@mail.gmail.com>

i was able to get them once upon a time...but now need the 64bit
version...should have mentioned that before...i can see them on the
novell site...but don't have the perms. to download...

On 11/21/06, Trey Sizemore <trey at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:34:11 -0500
> "lyric hartley" <leeslist at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am looking to download an eval copy of sles 9sp3 (i know it is old
> > but this is what i need)...if anyone has a copy or knows where I can
> > find one that would be great (they used to have it on thier
> > site)...the novell site now only offers 9 and 10 but not sp3...i have
> > emailed novell and they said they would get back to me...but nothing
> > yet
> >
> > thanks
> > Lee
>
>
> Hi Lee-
>
> Not aware of any SLES9SP3 ISOs...you could just burn the SLES9 GMC ISOs
> and they 'update' to current (SP3 + Internet updates).
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Trey
> ----
>
> DeVries's Dilemma:
>         If you hit two keys on the typewriter, the one you don't want
> hits the paper.
>
> Linux laptop 2.6.16.21-0.25-default i686 GNU/Linux
>  11:04am  up 6 days 14:52,  6 users,  load average: 1.09, 1.13, 1.11
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


From stillwaxin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 12:06:29 2006
From: stillwaxin at gmail.com (Michael Still)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:06:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <1164127913.4907.24.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1164127913.4907.24.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>
Message-ID: <12bbc01c0611210906v1670c5fao1e763526f0a689f4@mail.gmail.com>

Ok added ubuntu as well.

fedora-updates  Fedora Core Updates
fedora-full     Fedora Core Full
suse-updates    Suse Updates
suse-full       Suse Full
ubuntu          Ubuntu
ubuntu-releases Ubuntu Releases


On 11/21/06, Randal Jarrett <rsj at radio.org> wrote:
> Yes!!
>
> Thanks, GT and others are very slow and this will help tremendously.
>
> Randy
>
> On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 01:32 -0500, Michael Still wrote:
> > Ok after enough interest I have turned on the rsync server on
> > ftp.ale.org.  Right now just a few modules.  If there's interest for
> > others (for already existing mirrors) then let me know.
> >
> > $ rsync ftp.ale.org::
> > fedora-updates  Fedora Core Updates
> > fedora-full     Fedora Core Full
> > suse-updates    Suse Updates
> > suse-full       Suse Full
> >
> >
> --
> Randy Jarrett  K4RSJ
> Randy's Ham Shack
> <rsj at radio.org>
> FWD# 654871
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


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From bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu  Tue Nov 21 12:39:43 2006
From: bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu (Brian Pitts)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:39:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <fc.3b9aca009a387f203b9aca00cc00bccd.3092fadb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.3b9aca009a387f203b9aca00cc00bccd.3092fadb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <456339DF.2010607@learnlink.emory.edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
> Yes!!
>
> Thanks, GT ... are very slow and this will help tremendously.
>
Not when you're both connected to Abilene. ;-)

-Brian



From trey at fastmail.fm  Tue Nov 21 13:02:17 2006
From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:02:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] suse ent 9 sp3
In-Reply-To: <dfa0f0b60611210853q6aa07b5ct52ecacea3de398a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061121110558.09d65bf3@laptop.thesizemores.us>
	<dfa0f0b60611210853q6aa07b5ct52ecacea3de398a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061121130217.73902fbf@laptop.thesizemores.us>

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:53:05 -0500
"lyric hartley" <leeslist at gmail.com> wrote:

> i was able to get them once upon a time...but now need the 64bit
> version...should have mentioned that before...i can see them on the
> novell site...but don't have the perms. to download...
> 

Not sure what you mean by "...don't have the perm(issions) to
download..."

This ISOs for SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 for x86, AMD64 & EM64T
Evaluation are available at
http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=1HYSkGYIYow~

Create a new account (just takes a sec) if your current account is
giving you issues.

-- 
Cheers,
Trey
----
 
Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it.
		-- Mark Twain
 
Linux laptop 2.6.16.21-0.25-default i686 GNU/Linux
  1:00pm  up 6 days 16:48,  6 users,  load average: 1.54, 1.12, 0.97


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 21 13:30:55 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:30:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is	"out
	ofversion" in Debian ?
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com><001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<45630A64.9000903@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c70d9b$2ec4cd50$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Preston,

Thank you. That worked.

But I now find that Testing does not implement de620, my NIC driver, which
is uniquely problematical
in that it's an external parallel port NIC [I have no more slots].

Since Woody did have the de620 module, is there a Testing solution, given
that I have no more slots for a NIC ?

Appreciatively,
Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Boyington" <preston.lists at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out
ofversion" in Debian ?


> Courtney Thomas wrote:
> > Thanks James. I already tried that. In fact, that's how I got the
formerly
> > working version of pump into
> >     /var/cache/apt/archives
> >
> > Then I tried,
> >     apt-get install pump
> >
> > with the previously posted err msg of
> >     no candidate for installation.
> >
>
> that right.  apt is looking for the download mirror.  if you move it to
> a directory yourself then you will use "dpkg" (debian package) to
> install it.  (apt is just a nice frontend to dpkg)
>
> if it were me i would do this:
> place the pump deb in /opt/<some directory>
> open a terminal
> cd /opt/<some directory>
> then do:
> dpkg -i foo-vvv-rrr.deb
>
> this will install a package (including unpacking and configuring) onto
> the file system of the hard disk.
>
> i think this is more what you are after.
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From rsj at radio.org  Tue Nov 21 14:41:07 2006
From: rsj at radio.org (Randal Jarrett)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:41:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <456339DF.2010607@learnlink.emory.edu>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<fc.3b9aca009a387f203b9aca00cc00bccd.3092fadb@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<456339DF.2010607@learnlink.emory.edu>
Message-ID: <1164138068.4907.27.camel@k4rsj.radio.org>

There are the 'haves' and the 'have nots' and you have it all. :-)

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 12:39 -0500, Brian Pitts wrote:
> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
> > Yes!!
> >
> > Thanks, GT ... are very slow and this will help tremendously.
> >
> Not when you're both connected to Abilene. ;-)
> 
> -Brian
> 
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From preston.lists at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 14:52:45 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 13:52:45 -0600
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is	"out
 ofversion" in Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <003301c70d9b$2ec4cd50$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com><001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<45630A64.9000903@gmail.com>
	<003301c70d9b$2ec4cd50$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <4563590D.7050700@gmail.com>

Courtney Thomas wrote:

<snipped the part about me being the best ever and Courtney not knowing
how she could ever thank me>

> Since Woody did have the de620 module, is there a Testing solution, given
> that I have no more slots for a NIC ?
> 
> Appreciatively,
> Courtney
> 

It looks like de620.o was removed from newer kernels and perhaps marked
"optional" (websites I am looking at could be dated).

most likely all you need to do is find and install the module.  what
kernel are you using on the Testing system?


From leeslist at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 15:38:53 2006
From: leeslist at gmail.com (lyric hartley)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:38:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] suse ent 9 sp3
In-Reply-To: <20061121130217.73902fbf@laptop.thesizemores.us>
References: <dfa0f0b60611210734h5f379899xc5827eb1f1e671ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061121110558.09d65bf3@laptop.thesizemores.us>
	<dfa0f0b60611210853q6aa07b5ct52ecacea3de398a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061121130217.73902fbf@laptop.thesizemores.us>
Message-ID: <dfa0f0b60611211238p168ad97fye1324f2030160448@mail.gmail.com>

thanks, i found that the problem I was having was because I had
downloaded an eval in the past, it was making my account appear
expired...so, i did end up having to create a new one

On 11/21/06, Trey Sizemore <trey at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 11:53:05 -0500
> "lyric hartley" <leeslist at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i was able to get them once upon a time...but now need the 64bit
> > version...should have mentioned that before...i can see them on the
> > novell site...but don't have the perms. to download...
> >
>
> Not sure what you mean by "...don't have the perm(issions) to
> download..."
>
> This ISOs for SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 for x86, AMD64 & EM64T
> Evaluation are available at
> http://download.novell.com/Download?buildid=1HYSkGYIYow~
>
> Create a new account (just takes a sec) if your current account is
> giving you issues.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Trey
> ----
>
> Truth is the most valuable thing we have -- so let us economize it.
>                 -- Mark Twain
>
> Linux laptop 2.6.16.21-0.25-default i686 GNU/Linux
>   1:00pm  up 6 days 16:48,  6 users,  load average: 1.54, 1.12, 0.97
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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 21 15:57:17 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:57:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out of
	version" in Debian ?
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com><001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<45630A64.9000903@gmail.com><003301c70d9b$2ec4cd50$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<4563590D.7050700@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901c70daf$a11786e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

See: www.debian.org for the latest ... whatever...

I'm using kernel 2.6.17-2-k7, which was installed with "aptitude", which
leads to the question...how do I now 'compile' a new kernel,
i.e. I assume I now have to download the applicable source and find out how
to replace the running kernel with a newly compiled one,
since the currently running kernel was an "upgrade" from 2.4.17 and not
compiled from source.

Think I'll never go down this road again, i.e. missing necessary modules, no
kernel, unknown other potential quirks to be discovered, meanwhile the old
kernel that worked well, is now gone.  :-(

Courtney








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Preston Boyington" <preston.lists at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out
ofversion" in Debian ?


> Courtney Thomas wrote:
>
> <snipped the part about me being the best ever and Courtney not knowing
> how she could ever thank me>
>
> > Since Woody did have the de620 module, is there a Testing solution,
given
> > that I have no more slots for a NIC ?
> >
> > Appreciatively,
> > Courtney
> >
>
> It looks like de620.o was removed from newer kernels and perhaps marked
> "optional" (websites I am looking at could be dated).
>
> most likely all you need to do is find and install the module.  what
> kernel are you using on the Testing system?
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



From preston.lists at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 17:15:08 2006
From: preston.lists at gmail.com (Preston Boyington)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:15:08 -0600
Subject: [ale] HOW2 force the installation of a utililty that is "out
 of	version" in Debian ?
In-Reply-To: <004901c70daf$a11786e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <45623C1E.3040806@bellsouth.net>	<45623289.6090409@gmail.com><003d01c70d06$006cbe80$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<1164072697.5183.75.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com><001d01c70d72$994cf9a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<45630A64.9000903@gmail.com><003301c70d9b$2ec4cd50$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<4563590D.7050700@gmail.com>
	<004901c70daf$a11786e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <45637A6C.10102@gmail.com>

Courtney Thomas wrote:
> See: www.debian.org for the latest ... whatever...
> 
> I'm using kernel 2.6.17-2-k7, which was installed with "aptitude", which
> leads to the question...how do I now 'compile' a new kernel,
> i.e. I assume I now have to download the applicable source and find out how
> to replace the running kernel with a newly compiled one,
> since the currently running kernel was an "upgrade" from 2.4.17 and not
> compiled from source.
> 
> Think I'll never go down this road again, i.e. missing necessary modules, no
> kernel, unknown other potential quirks to be discovered, meanwhile the old
> kernel that worked well, is now gone.  :-(
> 
> Courtney
> 

well the good news (tm) is that debian has a nice way of adding modules
so you won't have to recompile the kernel unless you want to.

you can use module-assistant for the modules and make-kpkg for the kernels.

also there is the Debian Way (tm) to recompile the kernel if you wish to
go that route.  and both are relatively painless.

bear with me and i'll see what i can do to help you out.  holidays could
be slow hearing from me though... sorry.


From PairOfTwins at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 21 17:16:42 2006
From: PairOfTwins at mindspring.com (PairOfTwins)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:16:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Seeking 60 GB Samsung HDD
Message-ID: <45637ACA.6050002@mindspring.com>

Anyone:

Got a Samsung SV6003H 60 GB Hard Drive you'd be willing to part with, 
for a fee?  Already tried the eBay search.

Another backup-averse friend has a non-responsive drive.  We'd like to 
try the Kinney-inspired IDE electronics swap.

Mail me offlist, please.

Thanks,
Tom



From audilover at speedfactory.net  Tue Nov 21 17:53:15 2006
From: audilover at speedfactory.net (Raylynn Knight)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:53:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] Seeking 60 GB Samsung HDD
In-Reply-To: <45637ACA.6050002@mindspring.com>
References: <45637ACA.6050002@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1164149595.22796.7.camel@AthlonXP2200.knightsmanor.net>

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 17:16 -0500, PairOfTwins wrote:
> Anyone:
> 
> Got a Samsung SV6003H 60 GB Hard Drive you'd be willing to part with, 
> for a fee?  Already tried the eBay search.
> 
> Another backup-averse friend has a non-responsive drive.  We'd like to 
> try the Kinney-inspired IDE electronics swap.
> 
> Mail me offlist, please.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
Have your tried Micro-Center.  They carry Samsung drives in various
sizes, although I don't know if 60 GB is one they carry.



From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Tue Nov 21 19:00:38 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:00:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] Mail server config & SPAM control
In-Reply-To: <45625F92.2090704@toughguy.net>
References: <45625F92.2090704@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <200611211900.38322.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

On Monday 20 November 2006 21:08, Jay Loden wrote:
> Hi all,
>
<snip>
>
> What I'm looking for is recommendations (links, how-to guides, books are
> also appreciated) on:
>
<snip>
> 3) Alternatives to sendmail, if recommended and any guides to
> configuration for the below (Postfix, perhaps?)
>

I use exim.  Default of debian once upon a time.  Easy, readable config file.

<snip>
>
> 5) Configuring POP and IMAP to use encrypted authentication so that my
> passwords aren't being sent in the clear (again, not sure what options
> are available there).
>

For IMAP, trivial.  Use port 993 instead of 143.  This will, I'm sure, require 
you to configure your IMAP server appropriately, and create a certificate for 
it.

David


From fd0man at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 20:01:49 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:01:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
Message-ID: <1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>

On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 08:40 -0500, Chris Ricker wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Courtney Thomas wrote:
> 
> > Will it work with PostgreSQL ?
> 
> It supports PostgreSQL and MySQL also -- most distro builds of it include 
> those and omit the Oracle support
> 


The only remaining question (which I am currently looking to find out
the answer to...) is whether or not it is good enough to install with
all the KDE stuff that it pulls... which makes me wonder why wxWidgets
doesn't support Qt/KDE so that there can be just one common API that
people write for?

    -- Mike

--
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 21 20:32:55 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:32:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
Message-ID: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to easily
see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
that I can run to display this info.

Thanks,
Chris



From mhw at WittsEnd.com  Tue Nov 21 20:43:20 2006
From: mhw at WittsEnd.com (Michael H. Warfield)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:43:20 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1164159800.8260.4.camel@canyon.wittsend.com>

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 01:32 -0500, Michael Still wrote:
> Ok after enough interest I have turned on the rsync server on
> ftp.ale.org.  Right now just a few modules.  If there's interest for
> others (for already existing mirrors) then let me know.

	fedora-extras ???

> $ rsync ftp.ale.org::
> fedora-updates  Fedora Core Updates
> fedora-full     Fedora Core Full
> suse-updates    Suse Updates
> suse-full       Suse Full

	Mike
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From leeslist at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 20:25:06 2006
From: leeslist at gmail.com (lyric hartley)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:25:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
	<1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <dfa0f0b60611211725w5b7e19d4re51d3743e4eef19f@mail.gmail.com>

I have not looked at the program mentioned but for the sake of others
looking I found a great eclipse plugin for postgres design...can't recall
the name now but it did everything I wanted...i imagine it would be easy to
turn up...if not I can look around

On 11/21/06, Michael B. Trausch <fd0man at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 08:40 -0500, Chris Ricker wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Courtney Thomas wrote:
> > Will it work with PostgreSQL ?
> It supports PostgreSQL and MySQL also -- most distro builds of it include those and omit the Oracle support
>
>
> The only remaining question (which I am currently looking to find out the
> answer to...) is whether or not it is good enough to install with all the
> KDE stuff that it pulls... which makes me wonder why wxWidgets doesn't
> support Qt/KDE so that there can be just one common API that people write
> for?
>
>     -- Mike
>
> --
>   Michael B. Trausch  fd0man at gmail.com
>   Phone: (404) 592-5746  Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com
>
> Demand Freedom!  Use *open* and *free* protocols, standards, and software!
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From PairOfTwins at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 21 23:45:30 2006
From: PairOfTwins at mindspring.com (PairOfTwins)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:45:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] Seeking 60 GB Samsung HDD
In-Reply-To: <1164149595.22796.7.camel@AthlonXP2200.knightsmanor.net>
References: <45637ACA.6050002@mindspring.com>
	<1164149595.22796.7.camel@AthlonXP2200.knightsmanor.net>
Message-ID: <4563D5EA.10608@mindspring.com>

Raylynn:

On the Micro Center website, I couldn't find that size, but it may be 
worth a call.

Thanks,
Tom
======================================================
Raylynn Knight wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 17:16 -0500, PairOfTwins wrote:
>   
>> Anyone:
>>
>> Got a Samsung SV6003H 60 GB Hard Drive you'd be willing to part with, 
>> for a fee?  Already tried the eBay search.
>>
>> Another backup-averse friend has a non-responsive drive.  We'd like to 
>> try the Kinney-inspired IDE electronics swap.
>>
>> Mail me offlist, please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tom
>>
>>     
> Have your tried Micro-Center.  They carry Samsung drives in various
> sizes, although I don't know if 60 GB is one they carry.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   


From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Tue Nov 21 21:14:33 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:14:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
Message-ID: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>

Hi folks,

I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have  
made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth  
and nail.

I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and  
Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the  
laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these  
machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/ 
install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the  
Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.

I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but  
nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of  
reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.

Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?

Mark


From james.sumners at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 21:14:11 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:14:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611211814h768e97d7p83032265fbe1748b@mail.gmail.com>

You could use stuff like gDesklets to put multiple clocks on your
desktop. Just set each clock to its own timezone.

On 11/21/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
> the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to easily
> see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
> desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
> that I can run to display this info.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
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http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From fd0man at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 20:09:43 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:09:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
Message-ID: <1164157783.24901.15.camel@pepper>

On Mon, 2006-11-20 at 08:40 -0500, Chris Ricker wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Courtney Thomas wrote:
> 
> > Will it work with PostgreSQL ?
> 
> It supports PostgreSQL and MySQL also -- most distro builds of it include 
> those and omit the Oracle support
> 


Yeah, never mind about that.  Not a good option, either.  :-/  It
doesn't seem to work with current PostgreSQL or something -- simple
manipulation of tables causes it to throw up errors that shouldn't
occur.  If a piece of software can't even "DROP table;" then I am better
off *still* doing it by hand.  I guess there's a reason that Emacs is
still my friend...  :-)

    -- Mike

--
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From fd0man at gmail.com  Tue Nov 21 20:22:04 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:22:04 -0500
Subject: [ale] Make emacs show "invisible" characters
In-Reply-To: <200611171734.36508.rb211@tds.net>
References: <455CE1D6.5060205@kneuro.net> <200611171734.36508.rb211@tds.net>
Message-ID: <1164158524.24901.24.camel@pepper>

On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 17:34 -0500, William Bagwell wrote:

> On Thursday 16 November 2006 05:10 pm, JK wrote:
> > I used to know how to do this, but neither my brain
> > nor Google is my friend today.
> >
> > I'm editing a source file that has line-ending issues --
> > it's got a mix of DOS and Unix line endings.  I know
> > there is a way to provoke emacs to explicitly display
> > the line-ending characters (^M, ^J, etc) and other
> > normally "invisible" whitespace, but I can't find it.
> > Any clues?
> 
> Sorry no clue how to do this in emacs. But if you got a private reply 
> please share. I would be intersted in showing line feeds in *any* text 
> editor. Recently needed to do something similar, and resorted to using a 
> hex editor. Fortunately it was a short script...


The best solution that I can think of (at the moment...) comes from a
web site (http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_adv_tips.html) that tells how to
change the file line endings:

    M-x set-buffer-file-coding-system
Or:
    C-x RET f

There are a ton of options for it, but you can use utf-8 (which relies
on the host system, I would presume), utf-8-dos, utf-8-mac, and
utf-8-unix.

I created a file in the buffer, and set the option and did a Save As for
it in different modes, and it came out just as expected by converting
the newlines before writing the file to disk:

fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ xxd DOS_UTF-8 
0000000: 5465 7374 696e 6720 666f 7220 444f 5320  Testing for DOS 
0000010: 5554 462d 3820 4d6f 6465 2e0d 0a0d 0a48  UTF-8 Mode.....H
0000020: 6f77 2064 6f20 7468 6520 6c69 6e65 2065  ow do the line e
0000030: 6e64 696e 6773 2077 6f72 6b3f            ndings work?
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ xxd Macintosh_UTF-8 
0000000: 5465 7374 696e 6720 666f 7220 444f 5320  Testing for DOS 
0000010: 5554 462d 3820 4d6f 6465 2e0d 0d48 6f77  UTF-8 Mode...How
0000020: 2064 6f20 7468 6520 6c69 6e65 2065 6e64   do the line end
0000030: 696e 6773 2077 6f72 6b3f                 ings work?
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ xxd UNIX_UTF-8 
0000000: 5465 7374 696e 6720 666f 7220 444f 5320  Testing for DOS 
0000010: 5554 462d 3820 4d6f 6465 2e0a 0a48 6f77  UTF-8 Mode...How
0000020: 2064 6f20 7468 6520 6c69 6e65 2065 6e64   do the line end
0000030: 696e 6773 2077 6f72 6b3f                 ings work?
fd0man at pepper:~[0]$ 

The important part to look at would be line 0000010, sixth block in,
second character onward.  The file itself in plaintext:

Testing for DOS UTF-8 Mode.

How do the line endings work?

    -- Mike

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From gonzas at gonzas.net  Tue Nov 21 22:25:41 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 01:25:41 -0200
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611211925t47e189cdx6e3c6ef05e835787@mail.gmail.com>

Kde have anything like this ,... with karamba or something ,... kde.org

2006/11/21, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>:
>
> Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
> the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to easily
> see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
> desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
> that I can run to display this info.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



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From jloden at toughguy.net  Wed Nov 22 00:04:49 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:04:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <dfa0f0b60611211725w5b7e19d4re51d3743e4eef19f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>	<1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>
	<dfa0f0b60611211725w5b7e19d4re51d3743e4eef19f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4563DA71.2040608@toughguy.net>

Perhaps http://www.azzurri.jp/en/software/clay/ fits the bill?

lyric hartley wrote:
> I have not looked at the program mentioned but for the sake of others 
> looking I found a great eclipse plugin for postgres design...can't 
> recall the name now but it did everything I wanted...i imagine it 
> would be easy to turn up...if not I can look around


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 00:42:42 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 00:42:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Rsync on ftp.ale.org
In-Reply-To: <1164159800.8260.4.camel@canyon.wittsend.com>
References: <12bbc01c0611202232y39511fcar6589ec8812785d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1164159800.8260.4.camel@canyon.wittsend.com>
Message-ID: <1164174162.8810.6.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 20:43 -0500, Michael H. Warfield wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 01:32 -0500, Michael Still wrote:
> > Ok after enough interest I have turned on the rsync server on
> > ftp.ale.org.  Right now just a few modules.  If there's interest for
> > others (for already existing mirrors) then let me know.
> 
> 	fedora-extras ???

debian-volatile ??

I currently run a debian-volatile mirror, it is low traffic/bandwidth,
but I am considering retiring the host.

-Jim P.





From bdowd at dentfirst.com  Tue Nov 21 21:22:57 2006
From: bdowd at dentfirst.com (Brian J. Dowd)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:22:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <4563B481.5070905@dentfirst.com>

http://home.att.net/~geoclock/
> Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
> the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to easily
> see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
> desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
> that I can run to display this info.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From bdowd at dentfirst.com  Tue Nov 21 21:35:26 2006
From: bdowd at dentfirst.com (Brian J. Dowd)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:35:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] World view map...
Message-ID: <4563B76E.9090807@dentfirst.com>

Linux based and software is free:
http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxview/

online browser (no code available) based:
http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/greyline.html
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Earth/action?opt=-p


From paul_tbot at pcartwright.com  Wed Nov 22 06:26:31 2006
From: paul_tbot at pcartwright.com (Paul Cartwright)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:26:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <200611220625.47069.cartwrightpaul@bellsouth.net>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<200611220625.47069.cartwrightpaul@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <200611220626.32091.paul_tbot@pcartwright.com>


> On Tue November 21 2006 8:32 pm, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world
> > and the time in that map. ?I do not have tz's memorized and I need
> > to easily see what time it is anywhere in the world. ?I remember
> > seeing active desktop like programs for Windoze. ?I'm looking for
> > a Linux application that I can run to display this info.
>
 you know, I was just looking for that yesterday, I had no idea what
 timezone Arkansas was in, and when I went to Phoenix not long ago I
 was.. in the wrong timezone!!
 I found this, and you might like it:
 http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone_codes_us.shtml

 here is the US map:
 http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/time_zone.shtml

 for world time try this:
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800 


From leeslist at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 06:53:01 2006
From: leeslist at gmail.com (lyric hartley)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:53:01 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <4563DA71.2040608@toughguy.net>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
	<1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>
	<dfa0f0b60611211725w5b7e19d4re51d3743e4eef19f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4563DA71.2040608@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <dfa0f0b60611220353r22a08c0fv3f78024292444d39@mail.gmail.com>

yep, that looks like the one

On 11/22/06, Jay Loden <jloden at toughguy.net> wrote:
> Perhaps http://www.azzurri.jp/en/software/clay/ fits the bill?
>
> lyric hartley wrote:
> > I have not looked at the program mentioned but for the sake of others
> > looking I found a great eclipse plugin for postgres design...can't
> > recall the name now but it did everything I wanted...i imagine it
> > would be easy to turn up...if not I can look around
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


From gonzas at gonzas.net  Wed Nov 22 06:05:24 2006
From: gonzas at gonzas.net (Gonzalo Seoane)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:05:24 -0200
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <a7d4142f0611220305q1898da1ctd77f373cc6f0fc35@mail.gmail.com>

Ubuntu new install its very bad ,...
Think install an older version is good , then upgrade to dapper or other
versions ,..
The new version of ubuntu have changes on inittab ,..is not longer on
ubuntu  and maby cause problems

2006/11/22, Mark Wright <mpwright at speedfactory.net>:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have
> made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth
> and nail.
>
> I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and
> Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the
> laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these
> machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/
> install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the
> Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.
>
> I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but
> nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of
> reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.
>
> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



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From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 07:23:53 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:23:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>

I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine that 
had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions 
before it would load the 6.10.

It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no problem.

Good luck in getting those going!

Dan

Mark Wright wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have  
> made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth  
> and nail.
> 
> I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and  
> Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the  
> laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these  
> machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/ 
> install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the  
> Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.
> 
> I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but  
> nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of  
> reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.
> 
> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
> 
> Mark


From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 07:37:11 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:37:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <a7d4142f0611211925t47e189cdx6e3c6ef05e835787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a7d4142f0611211925t47e189cdx6e3c6ef05e835787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45644477.5010608@bellsouth.net>

You could use kworldclock or sunclock, although I don't know whether 
they are as configurable as you'd like to have them.

Dan

Gonzalo Seoane wrote:
> Kde have anything like this ,... with karamba or something ,... kde.org 
> <http://kde.org>
> 
> 2006/11/21, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com 
> <mailto:cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>>:
> 
>     Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
>     the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to
>     easily
>     see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
>     desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
>     that I can run to display this info.
> 
>     Thanks,
>     Chris
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     Ale mailing list
>     Ale at ale.org <mailto:Ale at ale.org>
>     http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gonza
> www.gonzas.net <http://www.gonzas.net>
> gonzas at gonzas.net <mailto:gonzas at gonzas.net>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From jloden at toughguy.net  Wed Nov 22 08:09:15 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:09:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] World Clock
In-Reply-To: <45644477.5010608@bellsouth.net>
References: <1164159175.4435.205.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>	<a7d4142f0611211925t47e189cdx6e3c6ef05e835787@mail.gmail.com>
	<45644477.5010608@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <45644BFB.8040309@toughguy.net>

There's always http://time.gov/ if you don't have to have it running on 
your local desktop. The other option I used to use for KDE was to 
display multiple time zones in the mouseover for the clock. All you had 
to do was mouse over it and it'd display whatever time zones you wanted, 
which allowed me to know what time it was at various client sites and 
our development center in India.

-Jay
>> 2006/11/21, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com 
>> <mailto:cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>>:
>>
>>     Does anyone know of a program that will display a map of the world and
>>     the time in that map.  I do not have tz's memorized and I need to
>>     easily
>>     see what time it is anywhere in the world.  I remember seeing active
>>     desktop like programs for Windoze.  I'm looking for a Linux application
>>     that I can run to display this info.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Chris
>>     



From jloden at toughguy.net  Wed Nov 22 08:52:41 2006
From: jloden at toughguy.net (Jay Loden)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 08:52:41 -0500
Subject: [ale] Mail server config recommendations
Message-ID: <45645629.5090404@toughguy.net>

NOTE: I apologize if this is double-posted but for whatever reason I 
didn't see it post to the list so I'm sending it again in case it got lost.

Hi all,

I have been running my own mail server for a couple years and basically, 
I hacked it until it worked without really understanding much of what I 
was doing. I have Spamassassin filtering my incoming mail, and I've got 
sendmail working for sending and receiving mail. Lately a lot of SPAM 
has been getting through the SA filter, even after wiping the spam 
database and re-learning the spam from about 1500 recent spam emails.

What I'm looking for is recommendations (links, how-to guides, books are 
also appreciated) on:

1) reducing incoming SPAM through better tuning/use of SpamAssassin or 
another filtering system (not interested in blacklisting/RBLs or 
greylisting). I'm ok with using the Thunderbird spam filter here at home 
but that doesn't work on a mobile phone client, or when I use webmail or 
other clients, so I need something server-side.

2) Configuring sendmail (currently running 8.12.11) securely

3) Alternatives to sendmail, if recommended and any guides to 
configuration for the below (Postfix, perhaps?)

4) SMTP with some form of encrypted authentication (don't really know 
what the differences are between TLS or SSL or any other options) for users

5) Configuring POP and IMAP to use encrypted authentication so that my 
passwords aren't being sent in the clear (again, not sure what options 
are available there).

I realize this covers a lot of ground, but as I said, I'm just 
interested in tips and tricks, and of course recommendations based on 
your collective experience. I'm more than willing to do my homework and 
read suggested articles or books as well, so even if all you have to 
share is a useful tutorial url or a ISBN number, fire away!

Thanks,

-Jay


From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Wed Nov 22 09:42:19 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:42:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <F89D38E7-C5E9-422D-B022-165DE7BF88BE@speedfactory.net>

Doesn't the installer run a partitioner and remove the partitions  
from the last install?  (I you select yes)  What program did you use  
to remove the partitions before you tried to install?

thanks,

Mark


On Nov 22, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Dan Lambert wrote:

> I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine  
> that
> had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions
> before it would load the 6.10.
>
> It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no  
> problem.
>
> Good luck in getting those going!
>
> Dan
>
> Mark Wright wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have
>> made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth
>> and nail.
>>
>> I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and
>> Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the
>> laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these
>> machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/
>> install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the
>> Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.
>>
>> I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but
>> nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of
>> reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
>>
>> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 09:55:55 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:55:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <F89D38E7-C5E9-422D-B022-165DE7BF88BE@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
	<F89D38E7-C5E9-422D-B022-165DE7BF88BE@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <456464FB.3080209@bellsouth.net>

For whatever reason, the Live CD wouldn't remove the partitions 
automatically, so I had to do it manually. Once done, I had no problem 
with the installation. It was (logically) like installing on a new disk.

I used fdisk off of the Live CD, if I remember correctly.

Dan

Mark Wright wrote:
> Doesn't the installer run a partitioner and remove the partitions  
> from the last install?  (I you select yes)  What program did you use  
> to remove the partitions before you tried to install?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 


From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 10:18:58 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:18:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 07:23 -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:

> I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine that 
> had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions 
> before it would load the 6.10.
> 
> It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no problem.
> 
> Good luck in getting those going!
> 


I am currently using Edgy without a problem... however, when it was
early in the release cycle, I know that they found some kernel bugs that
were hampering the system's ability to, well, run.

That having been said, I have not had any issues on "modern" hardware
(SATA and new-ish laptops/desktops).  I haven't tried Edgy on my oldest
PC, though, which is currently running FreeBSD.

    -- Mike

--
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                    fd0man at gmail.com
Phone: (404) 592-5746
   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

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From jpearson at turbocorp.com  Wed Nov 22 10:17:45 2006
From: jpearson at turbocorp.com (J. D. Pearson)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:17:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <45646A19.6090501@turbocorp.com>

I had a somewhat similar experience and it turned out do be
a bad burn on the installation media. Probably just a fluke but thought
it might be worth mentioning.

Best regards,

J. D.

Dan Lambert wrote:
> I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine that 
> had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions 
> before it would load the 6.10.
>
> It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no problem.
>
> Good luck in getting those going!
>
> Dan
>
> Mark Wright wrote:
>   
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have  
>> made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth  
>> and nail.
>>
>> I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and  
>> Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the  
>> laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these  
>> machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/ 
>> install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the  
>> Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.
>>
>> I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but  
>> nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of  
>> reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
>>
>> Mark
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 10:24:35 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:24:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] Database Design Tools for PostgreSQL?
In-Reply-To: <4563DA71.2040608@toughguy.net>
References: <1163353831.4675.27.camel@pepper>
	<20061113210458.GB5859@worldnet.att.net>
	<001301c70b58$f4d84430$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611200836511.16996@urd.oobleck.net>
	<1164157309.24901.11.camel@pepper>
	<dfa0f0b60611211725w5b7e19d4re51d3743e4eef19f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4563DA71.2040608@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <1164209075.24901.34.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 00:04 -0500, Jay Loden wrote:

> Perhaps http://www.azzurri.jp/en/software/clay/ fits the bill?
> 


Yeah, except for the rather nasty license it uses... it's a traditional
EULA in that it is quite restrictive.  I think that the "Upgrades"
section of the agreement is particularly whacked:

"If this copy of the Software is an upgrade from an earlier version of
the Software, it is provided to you on a license exchange basis.  You
agree by your installation and use of such copy of the Software to
voluntarily terminate your earlier EULA, to make this EULA effective."

Stupid commercial software producing entities...

    -- Mike

--
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                    fd0man at gmail.com
Phone: (404) 592-5746
   Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com

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From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Wed Nov 22 11:33:58 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:33:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net> <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>

I have been trying to install 5.10 on a laptop so I could upgrade to  
6.10 and I am getting a failure at the step after the kernel loads.   
I think that I may have too small a disk(5.1g).  However the problem  
with the other installs is that the 6.10 disk hangs before it gets  
the live setup started.  I have used this disk on 3 computers without  
success and 1 successfully.

I found the memory required to run 6.10 is 128 so that disqualifies  
one of the machines I tried to install on but I am stumped as to why  
the others won't work.

I thought about downloading the iso again but I do have one working  
install from this disk.

thanks,

Mark


On Nov 22, 2006, at 10:18 AM, Michael B. Trausch wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 07:23 -0500, Dan Lambert wrote:
>> I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older  
>> machine that
>> had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the  
>> partitions
>> before it would load the 6.10.
>>
>> It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no  
>> problem.
>>
>> Good luck in getting those going!
>>
>
> I am currently using Edgy without a problem... however, when it was  
> early in the release cycle, I know that they found some kernel bugs  
> that were hampering the system's ability to, well, run.
>
> That having been said, I have not had any issues on "modern"  
> hardware (SATA and new-ish laptops/desktops).  I haven't tried Edgy  
> on my oldest PC, though, which is currently running FreeBSD.
>
>     -- Mike
>
> --
> Michael B. Trausch	
> fd0man at gmail.com
> Phone: (404) 592-5746	
> Jabber IM: fd0man at livejournal.com
>
> Demand Freedom!  Use open and free protocols, standards, and software!
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 11:39:51 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:39:51 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>  <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
Message-ID: <1164213591.5224.8.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 10:18 -0500, Michael B. Trausch wrote:
> I am currently using Edgy without a problem... 

Same here.  Edgy's released product (not the RC or betas) is pretty
stable and rugged.

-Jim P.



From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 11:46:36 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:46:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net> <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
	<B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:33 -0500, Mark Wright wrote:
> I have been trying to install 5.10 on a laptop so I could upgrade to
> 6.10 and I am getting a failure at the step after the kernel loads.  I
> think that I may have too small a disk(5.1g).  However the problem
> with the other installs is that the 6.10 disk hangs before it gets the
> live setup started.  I have used this disk on 3 computers without
> success and 1 successfully. 
> 
> 
> I found the memory required to run 6.10 is 128 so that disqualifies
> one of the machines I tried to install on but I am stumped as to why
> the others won't work.
> 
> 
> I thought about downloading the iso again but I do have one working
> install from this disk.

What's the CPU specs for those computers?   BIOS versions?  

Note: I think that Ubuntu is more focused on newer hardware.

-Jim P.







From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 11:52:57 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:52:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <45646A19.6090501@turbocorp.com>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
	<45646A19.6090501@turbocorp.com>
Message-ID: <45648069.5010700@bellsouth.net>

In case anyone is interested, I just received several of the Ubuntu 6.06 
LTS factory CDs, and have them available for those that want them. I 
have upgraded several systems from 6.06 to 6.10 without problems.

Dan

J. D. Pearson wrote:
> I had a somewhat similar experience and it turned out do be
> a bad burn on the installation media. Probably just a fluke but thought
> it might be worth mentioning.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> J. D.
> 
> Dan Lambert wrote:
> 
>>I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine that 
>>had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions 
>>before it would load the 6.10.
>>
>>It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no problem.
>>
>>Good luck in getting those going!
>>
>>Dan


From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 11:57:11 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:57:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
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	<1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <45648167.8050505@bellsouth.net>

I installed 6.10 on a 450 MHz machine with 128MB of RAM a month or so 
ago. It was for a friend of my son's, who is in college and poor. He 
can't afford a better computer right now, and he couldn't get Windows 
2000 Pro to load.

The Edgy is working fine, if slow, for him. At least he has a 
functioning computer that he can do his work on.

Dan

Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:33 -0500, Mark Wright wrote:
> 
>>I have been trying to install 5.10 on a laptop so I could upgrade to
>>6.10 and I am getting a failure at the step after the kernel loads.  I
>>think that I may have too small a disk(5.1g).  However the problem
>>with the other installs is that the 6.10 disk hangs before it gets the
>>live setup started.  I have used this disk on 3 computers without
>>success and 1 successfully. 
>>
>>
>>I found the memory required to run 6.10 is 128 so that disqualifies
>>one of the machines I tried to install on but I am stumped as to why
>>the others won't work.
>>
>>
>>I thought about downloading the iso again but I do have one working
>>install from this disk.
> 
> 
> What's the CPU specs for those computers?   BIOS versions?  
> 
> Note: I think that Ubuntu is more focused on newer hardware.
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 


From aledonne.listmail at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 12:05:47 2006
From: aledonne.listmail at gmail.com (Alex LeDonne)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:05:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net> <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
	<B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <1d065ed40611220905k3747dbeeodfe4e99fe1d6000f@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/22/06, Mark Wright <mpwright at speedfactory.net> wrote:
>
> I have been trying to install 5.10 on a laptop so I could upgrade to 6.10 and I am getting a failure at the step after the kernel loads.  I think that I may have too small a disk(5.1g).  However the problem with the other installs is that the 6.10 disk hangs before it gets the live setup started.  I have used this disk on 3 computers without success and 1 successfully.
>
>
> I found the memory required to run 6.10 is 128 so that disqualifies one of the machines I tried to install on but I am stumped as to why the others won't work.
>
>
> I thought about downloading the iso again but I do have one working install from this disk.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Mark

If you don't mind using a(nother) CD-R blank, one trick I've found
worked well on older hardware is to burn the ISO to CD-R (_not_ CD-RW)
at 4x (slow, slow, slow). Systems that puked on an otherwise good burn
(good md5 checksum, worked on new hardware) either to CD-RW or CD-R at
higher speed had no problems with the one burned at a slower speed.

-Alex


From greg at turnstep.com  Wed Nov 22 12:22:58 2006
From: greg at turnstep.com (Greg Sabino Mullane)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:22:58 -0000
Subject: [ale] Make emacs show "invisible" characters
In-Reply-To: <200611171734.36508.rb211@tds.net>
Message-ID: <f89731fd891451123a4c2ad04f556366@biglumber.com>


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JK wrote:
> I'm editing a source file that has line-ending issues --
> it's got a mix of DOS and Unix line endings.  I know
> there is a way to provoke emacs to explicitly display
> the line-ending characters (^M, ^J, etc) and other
> normally "invisible" whitespace, but I can't find it.

The canonical way around this is to simply convert the
entire file to a single line ending. If you don't have
dos2unix installed, you can do it with perl:

perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' list_of_files_to_fix

If you want to view it in emacs, you can install the
blank-mode package:

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/blank-mode_package


William Bagwell replied:
> ... Recently needed to do something similar, and resorted
> to using a hex editor.

You mean you entered hexl-mode inside of emacs, right? :)

- --
Greg Sabino Mullane greg at turnstep.com
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From bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu  Wed Nov 22 12:41:34 2006
From: bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu (Brian Pitts)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:41:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <fc.3b9aca009e485d8c3b9aca008c5d489e.30948dd0@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <fc.3b9aca009e485d8c3b9aca008c5d489e.30948dd0@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <45648BCE.3040804@learnlink.emory.edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
Try 
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/edgy/ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso


From fd0man at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 13:03:53 2006
From: fd0man at gmail.com (Michael B. Trausch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:03:53 -0500
Subject: [ale] Make emacs show "invisible" characters
In-Reply-To: <f89731fd891451123a4c2ad04f556366@biglumber.com>
References: <f89731fd891451123a4c2ad04f556366@biglumber.com>
Message-ID: <1164218633.24901.58.camel@pepper>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 17:22 +0000, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:

> 
> If you want to view it in emacs, you can install the
> blank-mode package:
> 
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/blank-mode_package
> 


It looks interesting, though it doesn't seem to discern between
DOS/Mac/UNIX newline modes.  There is some sort of a customization
interface, but I certainly don't understand it.  :-/


> 
> William Bagwell replied:
> > ... Recently needed to do something similar, and resorted
> > to using a hex editor.
> 
> You mean you entered hexl-mode inside of emacs, right? :)
> 


Now, now.  That is a gem!  I didn't even know that existed.  I should
have.  It will be highly useful (I hate using xxd...)

    -- Mike

--
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From johnmills at speakeasy.net  Wed Nov 22 14:27:01 2006
From: johnmills at speakeasy.net (John Mills)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:27:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Picky, picky: Setting root background under 'Xvnc' and 'mwm'
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611221418520.5975-100000@otter.localdomain>

ALErs -

I'm running tightVnc for remote sessions, and my '.vnc/xstartup' ends by
launching 'mwm'. I would like to change the default root-window background
and haven't been successful with 'xsetroot' until after my session opens
and I issue the command from a console window.

I would like to put my background command either in a resource file 
('.mwmrc' or 'startx') or as a default environmental setting, but so far I 
haven't found the magic.

How should I set this?

TIA.
 - Mills



From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 14:36:57 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:36:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] linux old timers question (late 1990s)
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611031327x5e3c957fla90c04f94d73c8db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87f94c370611011509n3e2bdd8cud826a6420e2297de@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611011654x1510aeb8nb460b4c7c015e6e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611031327x5e3c957fla90c04f94d73c8db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611221136mcb91530tf86f66f474413dac@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,

I never got it to boot, but I admit to not trying too hard.

I did successfully use gpart to scan the drive and identify an ext2
partition on the drive.  I have mounted it with "mount -o
loop,offset=".

Thanks for the suggestion and if I need it to boot I will try your
suggestion in more detail later.

Thanks
Greg

On 11/3/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> greg, did this work? I guess this is not a lot different from poping the
> drive into a generic old pc to try boot with the drive.
>
>
> On 11/1/06, Jerry Yu < jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > can you try to boot with it, using /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk under a
> working Linux box?  Not from experience, but from RTFM.
> > Basically you'll need to do the following on a working Linux box:
> >
> >
> > cp /usr/lib/syslinux/memdisk to /boot
> > cp the disk image to /boot (assume named oldpc.img)
> > add a GRUB entry like something below:
> > Title  old PC image could be a 2.0 linux
> >                kernel /memdisk
> >                initrd /oldie.img
> >
> >
> > boot and select "old PC image could be a 2.0 linux"
> >
> >
> > On 11/1/06, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I have an old 80 MB disk I need to figure out/review.  Appears to be
> > > from the late 1990s.
> > >
> > > I've used dd to make a copy of it.
> > >
> > > It does not seem to have a traditional partition table and running
> > > file against it tells me:
> > >
> > > dd-image: Linux/x86 Kernel, Setup Version 0x201, zImage, RO-rootFS,
> > > root_dev 0xFF, Normal VGA
> > >
> > > Which is very close to what I get if I run file against a current
> > > kernel in /boot.
> > >
> > > So it looks like the the first portion of this 80 MB disk is a linux
> > > kernel.  Running strings against it I see:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > 4rz6
> > > C9m{
> > > 8;R~
> > > gP~IA~q
> > > olh~
> > > t0DO
> > > ~c-f9
> > > 4*{&j
> > > ca)m
> > > ]ZF*
> > > sY>L
> > > E]xb
> > > RQSP
> > > Loading
> > > $HdrS
> > > ZZuC
> > > PQ0
> > > No setup signature found ...
> > > Wrong loader, giving up...
> > > 2.0.29 (source at alyshia) #51 Mon Apr 7 02:49:06 PDT 1997
> > > INT15 refuses to access high mem, giving up...
> > > <<
> > >
> > > Which makes me think that this is a 2.0.29 kernel from 1997.  (I don't
> > > know if those dates are consistent or not.)
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me how I can find a filesystem on this image?  ie.
> > > What is the offset to the start of any and all filesystems.
> > >
> > > I assume if I knew the offset I could do a mount -o loop  to mount it
> > > and take a look around at the filesystem.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Greg
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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>


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From pilarlosada at comcast.net  Wed Nov 22 14:36:58 2006
From: pilarlosada at comcast.net (andy whitten)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:36:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <F89D38E7-C5E9-422D-B022-165DE7BF88BE@speedfactory.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net>
	<F89D38E7-C5E9-422D-B022-165DE7BF88BE@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <1164224218.31412.3.camel@ubuntu.hsd1.ga.comcast.net.>

It might help if you try and install at a lower video resolution. I had
a hard time with installing  Dapper on my home computer until I selected
to install at  vga mode. Once I did install, I was able to adjust the
resolution.  I hope that helps. 


Regards, 

Andy 

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 09:42 -0500, Mark Wright wrote:
> Doesn't the installer run a partitioner and remove the partitions  
> from the last install?  (I you select yes)  What program did you use  
> to remove the partitions before you tried to install?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Nov 22, 2006, at 7:23 AM, Dan Lambert wrote:
> 
> > I've only had one that did like that, Mark. It was an older machine  
> > that
> > had a different distribution on it, and I had to remove the partitions
> > before it would load the 6.10.
> >
> > It was a flaky machine before, but now it runs the 6.10 with no  
> > problem.
> >
> > Good luck in getting those going!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Mark Wright wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I have been having a tough time using the 6.10 install disk.  I have
> >> made one successful install although the video setup fought me tooth
> >> and nail.
> >>
> >> I have tried to install edgy on a Compaq laptop, Dell server and
> >> Compaq desktop.  All have had many other versions of Linux and the
> >> laptop had Breezy Badger previously installed but none of these
> >> machines will install Edgy.  I get the start screen to choose setup/
> >> install.  After install is selected the kernel starts to load and the
> >> Ubuntu progress bar runs for a few minutes then the computer hangs.
> >>
> >> I have tried every boot option on the menu that comes up first but
> >> nothing I do can get this going.  I am actually thinking of
> >> reinstalling an older Ubuntu version then trying to upgrade to edgy.
> >>
> >> Anyone have any ideas or similar experiences?
> >>
> >> Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Wed Nov 22 15:25:30 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:25:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net> <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
	<B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
	<1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <DB571C20-96E0-4E85-968C-8E762323CFBA@speedfactory.net>

Yeah these are all old machines.  The compaq laptop is the weakest.   
The problem is that these machines run other distros fine.  I had  
4.10 on the laptop and have installed w2k on it a few times to assist  
special needs.  The desktop I want to put it on currently has  
Mandrake 2005 LE on it.

Ubuntu won me over with the Warty release because it ran on  
everything I could boot it on.

On this release I am having trouble with the "live" portion of the  
install.  The machines that I cannot install on won't run the live  
image.

I am currently writing another CD at 4x as Alex suggested.

I'll let you know if this helps.

Mark



On Nov 22, 2006, at 11:46 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote:

> On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 11:33 -0500, Mark Wright wrote:
>> I have been trying to install 5.10 on a laptop so I could upgrade to
>> 6.10 and I am getting a failure at the step after the kernel  
>> loads.  I
>> think that I may have too small a disk(5.1g).  However the problem
>> with the other installs is that the 6.10 disk hangs before it gets  
>> the
>> live setup started.  I have used this disk on 3 computers without
>> success and 1 successfully.
>>
>>
>> I found the memory required to run 6.10 is 128 so that disqualifies
>> one of the machines I tried to install on but I am stumped as to why
>> the others won't work.
>>
>>
>> I thought about downloading the iso again but I do have one working
>> install from this disk.
>
> What's the CPU specs for those computers?   BIOS versions?
>
> Note: I think that Ubuntu is more focused on newer hardware.
>
> -Jim P.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Wed Nov 22 18:37:34 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 18:37:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <DB571C20-96E0-4E85-968C-8E762323CFBA@speedfactory.net>
References: <DB571C20-96E0-4E85-968C-8E762323CFBA@speedfactory.net>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f3095b47c3b9aca008c5d489e.3095b4c2@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>On this release I am having trouble with the "live" portion of the  
>install.  The machines that I cannot install on won't run the live  
>image.

Which is why it's good that Ubuntu still releases a non-live desktop installer,
ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso. Great for low-RAM machines or otherwise pokey
machines.

-Brian

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From cegolf at ugholf.net  Wed Nov 22 18:49:15 2006
From: cegolf at ugholf.net (Chris Egolf)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:49:15 -0700
Subject: [ale] Mail server config & SPAM control
In-Reply-To: <45625F92.2090704@toughguy.net>
References: <45625F92.2090704@toughguy.net>
Message-ID: <4564E1FB.3040207@ugholf.net>

Jay Loden wrote:
> What I'm looking for is recommendations (links, how-to guides, books are 
> also appreciated) on:

I've recently completed the same thing over the last few months and choose the
postfix/amavisd-new/spamassassin/clamav/razor combo.  Here are some of the links
I found useful (although there are many others I forgot to bookmark):

http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200309/postfix-spamassassin.html

http://www.freespamfilter.org/FC4.html

http://genco.gen.tc/postfix_virtual.php

http://www.howtoforge.com/mail_statistics_mailgraph_pflogsumm

http://www.caspergasper.com/spam.shtml

http://www.freespamfilter.org

http://www.freespamfilter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=397&view=previous&sid=d22d6f3a1049ed69ac807e7f4805c953

http://www.freespamfilter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=208

I also highly recommend the Postfix and SpamAssassin books by O'Reilly.

> 1) reducing incoming SPAM through better tuning/use of SpamAssassin or 
> another filtering system (not interested in blacklisting/RBLs or 
> greylisting). I'm ok with using the Thunderbird spam filter here at home 
> but that doesn't work on a mobile phone client, or when I use webmail or 
> other clients, so I need something server-side.

Well, you might want the reconsider the RBL's.  Including a number of RBL's has 
significantly dropped the amount of SPAM I receive.  Plus, since it's done at 
the Postfix (SMTP) level and isnt' a content filter, it's very fast and doesn't 
suck up bandwidth.  I'm using a number in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file:

smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
         permit_mynetworks,
         permit_sasl_authenticated,
         reject_unknown_sender_domain,
         reject_invalid_hostname,
         reject_non_fqdn_hostname,
         reject_unknown_recipient_domain,
         reject_unauth_destination,
         reject_rbl_client relays.ordb.org,
         reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
         #reject_rbl_client dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client dul.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client http.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client socks.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client misc.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client smtp.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client web.dnsbl.sorbs.net,
         reject_rbl_client list.dsdl.org,
         reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org

> 4) SMTP with some form of encrypted authentication (don't really know 
> what the differences are between TLS or SSL or any other options) for users

Again, here's the snipit from /etc/postfix/main.cf:

# SMTPd Authentication through SASL/TLS
smtpd_use_tls = yes
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/pki/tls/certs/sendmail.pem
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/pki/tls/certs/sendmail.pem
smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes

Of course, you have to create the sendmail.pem by going to the above directory 
and typing 'make sendmail.pem' (assuming Fedora Core 5/6).

> 5) Configuring POP and IMAP to use encrypted authentication so that my 
> passwords aren't being sent in the clear (again, not sure what options 
> are available there).

This is the last part of my old, creaking system that's still in place.  I'm 
using the uw-imap packages and created certificates for ipop3d.pem and imapd.pem 
in the same directory as above.  Then, at least for Fedora, you'll need to edit 
the appropriate files in /etc/xinetd.d/ and "enabled=yes" the imaps and pop3s 
services.  I also disable the non-ssl/tls versions to make sure they're not 
accidentally used.  Then, open up those ports in your firewall/router and close 
the unencrypted ports -- 993 for IMAP over SSL and 995 for POP-3 over SSL.

I've heard that the University of Wash. IMAPd will eventually be removed from 
Fedora since it's an "extras" package and not part of the "core", so I plan on 
replacing this with either Dovecot or Cyrus-imap one of these days.  Dovecot 
looks pretty simple, especially for migrating from uw-imap.

-- 
============================================================================
                                Chris Egolf
            http://www.ugholf.net     cegolf [AT] ugholf [DOT] net
============================================================================



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 19:59:10 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:59:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
Message-ID: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thanks,
Courtney


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 22 20:56:44 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 20:56:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] acpi + hibernation + network interfaces + CPU utilization +
	Ubuntu	Edgy = problems
Message-ID: <1164247004.5066.15.camel@localhost>

I've got Edgy installed on my laptop (T60p) and for the most part things
work well.  However, there are a few hibernation/restore (via acpid)
problems that I need some additional assistance with as I can't seem to
locate any log errors that identify a problem.

First, coming out of hibernation, the wireless network interface
(ipw3945) exists but sometimes won't become active.  That is
NetworkManager doesn't recognize it, and manually setting it has no
affect.  However, "ifconfig -a" clearly shows the interface. 

Secondly, occasionally entering hibernation (closing laptop lid) the
memory never swaps to disk and I ca re-open the lid and get an X session
back.  Looking at the process table I can see the acpi hibernate scripts
still running but I don't see any reason in /var/log/acpid to indicate
why the system never successfully hibernated.  Kill -9 has no affect on
anything, and shutting down (or trying to reboot) results in the system
eventually hanging in some unknown (and blank) state... but still
powered on.

Any ideas on how to debug these issues?

Tia,

-Jim P.



From rslau at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 22 21:06:46 2006
From: rslau at mindspring.com (Bob Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:06:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] Preparing for etch
Message-ID: <1164247606.1722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I'm running Debian 3.1 now. I know edge has been delayed a bit, but it
still doesn't hurt to get ready.

Do I *need* to change the references in all my sources.list entries from
'stable' to 'sarge' to prevent an unexpected upgrade? I don't plan on
doing a dist-upgrade until after the first few weeks, but I don't want
to be surprised.

Secondly, I'm running a 2.4.x kernel now, and would like to switch to a
2.6.x before etch. Any advice on the *best* way to do this? Is there
anything I would expect to break?

-- 
Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS at WHATmindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
In what language does the word 'taxi' mean "I cannot drive"?
e'osai ko sarji la lojban fo lonu pilno -- http://www.lojban.org/




From james.sumners at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 21:10:40 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:10:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
In-Reply-To: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky

On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Thanks,
> Courtney

-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From james.sumners at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 21:12:54 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:12:54 -0500
Subject: [ale] Preparing for etch
In-Reply-To: <1164247606.1722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1164247606.1722.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611221812q32774b72p2d55a67eb3a23d9d@mail.gmail.com>

1) Yes. Once Etch is released "stable" will point to it and not Sarge.

2) You can install new kernel just like any other package.

On 11/22/06, Bob Slaughter <rslau at mindspring.com> wrote:
> I'm running Debian 3.1 now. I know edge has been delayed a bit, but it
> still doesn't hurt to get ready.
>
> Do I *need* to change the references in all my sources.list entries from
> 'stable' to 'sarge' to prevent an unexpected upgrade? I don't plan on
> doing a dist-upgrade until after the first few weeks, but I don't want
> to be surprised.
>
> Secondly, I'm running a 2.4.x kernel now, and would like to switch to a
> 2.6.x before etch. Any advice on the *best* way to do this? Is there
> anything I would expect to break?


-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 22 23:19:34 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:19:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
In-Reply-To: <ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>

Thank you James.

I apologize for not being clearer, but...I want it to fit on one 
"1.44MB" floppy but I see that his latest won't.

Courtney


James Sumners wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
> 
> On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>>Thanks,
>>Courtney
> 
> 


From james.sumners at gmail.com  Wed Nov 22 23:30:52 2006
From: james.sumners at gmail.com (James Sumners)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:30:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
In-Reply-To: <45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com>
	<45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <ed62030a0611222030t10a39eeek8a1e48ce00e999fc@mail.gmail.com>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ls
buildit.s  fdflush   install.s     settings.s    tomsrtbt.raw
clone.s    fdformat  license.html  tomsrtbt.FAQ  unpack.s
[root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ./install.s

Don't forget to READ the FAQ.

Insert a blank writable 3.5" floppy diskette then strike ENTER.

About to fdformat /dev/fd0u1722
Double-sided, 82 tracks, 21 sec/track. Total capacity 1722 kB.
Formatting ... done
Verifying ... done
About to dd floppy image
3444+0 records in
3444+0 records out
1763328 bytes (1.8 MB) copied, 177.241 s, 9.9 kB/s
About to verify floppy image
Succeeded!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I now have Tom's Root Boot on a "1.44MB" diskette.

On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Thank you James.
>
> I apologize for not being clearer, but...I want it to fit on one
> "1.44MB" floppy but I see that his latest won't.
>
> Courtney
>
>
> James Sumners wrote:
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
> >
> > On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks,
> >>Courtney
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
James Sumners
http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."

Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
CH:D 59


From mpwright at speedfactory.net  Wed Nov 22 23:47:37 2006
From: mpwright at speedfactory.net (Mark Wright)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:47:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f3095b47c3b9aca008c5d489e.3095b4c2@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <DB571C20-96E0-4E85-968C-8E762323CFBA@speedfactory.net>
	<fc.00249f0f3095b47c3b9aca008c5d489e.3095b4c2@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <592F0151-7781-4AEF-856D-B5808293284A@speedfactory.net>

Wonderful.  I am glad to discover that Ubuntu hasn't followed MS too  
far down the bigger hardware path.

That is exactly what attracted me to Linux in the first place.  I  
could take a win 98 era machine and load a real multi-tasking 32 bit  
OS on it and keep using it when everyone was putting their machines  
out with the garbage because 2k wouldn't run on them well.

I'll try the alternate cd.  OBTW burning the CD at 4x did help it  
load.  I got to the CD desk top but it hung when I tried to start the  
install. (it really hung I waited a few hours)

Thanks,  I'll let you know how it goes.

Mark


On Nov 22, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Brian D. Pitts wrote:

> Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
> On this release I am having trouble with the "live" portion of the
> install.  The machines that I cannot install on won't run the live
> image.
>
> Which is why it's good that Ubuntu still releases a non-live  
> desktop installer, ubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso. Great for low- 
> RAM machines or otherwise pokey machines.
>
> -Brian
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Thu Nov 23 00:06:27 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 00:06:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
In-Reply-To: <45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com>
	<45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1164258387.10337.40.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

Courtney,

A 1.44 will hold 1.72 with different formatting. Toms RB will do the
formatting for you. The most important part is to have a brand new
floppy. A single bad chunk on the used floppy and it will fail.

There is also a small CD version of TRB as well.

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 23:19 -0500, Courtney Thomas wrote:
> Thank you James.
> 
> I apologize for not being clearer, but...I want it to fit on one 
> "1.44MB" floppy but I see that his latest won't.
> 
> Courtney
> 
> 
> James Sumners wrote:
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
> > 
> > On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > 
> >>Thanks,
> >>Courtney
> > 
> > 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
James P. Kinney III          
CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 10:49:42 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:49:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com><45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
	<1164258387.10337.40.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <001301c70f16$fdfe5830$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thank you James.
Courtney
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James P. Kinney III" <jkinney at localnetsolutions.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?


> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 10:50:03 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:50:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com><45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
	<ed62030a0611222030t10a39eeek8a1e48ce00e999fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c70f17$0ad3b6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thank you James,
Courtney
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Sumners" <james.sumners at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?


> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ls
> buildit.s  fdflush   install.s     settings.s    tomsrtbt.raw
> clone.s    fdformat  license.html  tomsrtbt.FAQ  unpack.s
> [root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ./install.s
> 
> Don't forget to READ the FAQ.
> 
> Insert a blank writable 3.5" floppy diskette then strike ENTER.
> 
> About to fdformat /dev/fd0u1722
> Double-sided, 82 tracks, 21 sec/track. Total capacity 1722 kB.
> Formatting ... done
> Verifying ... done
> About to dd floppy image
> 3444+0 records in
> 3444+0 records out
> 1763328 bytes (1.8 MB) copied, 177.241 s, 9.9 kB/s
> About to verify floppy image
> Succeeded!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I now have Tom's Root Boot on a "1.44MB" diskette.
> 
> On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Thank you James.
> >
> > I apologize for not being clearer, but...I want it to fit on one
> > "1.44MB" floppy but I see that his latest won't.
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> >
> > James Sumners wrote:
> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
> > >
> > > On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Courtney
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
> 
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
> 
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
> CH:D 59
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Thu Nov 23 12:07:56 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:07:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] iptables problem
Message-ID: <4565D56C.1060800@fayettedigital.com>

I'm having trouble still getting the iptables set up.

What are these messages telling me?  I sort of thought I had ssh enabled 
both ways and the same for bootps which is 67 I think.

Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 67.18.92.17 port 67
Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga dhclient: send_packet: Operation not permitted
Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga kernel: RULE 9 -- DENY IN= OUT=eth0 
SRC=69.93.127.205 DST=67.18.92.17 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 
DF PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
Nov 23 11:58:23 fdcga kernel: RULE 9 -- DENY IN= OUT=eth0 
SRC=69.93.127.205 DST=69.61.66.106 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 
DF PROTO=TCP SPT=1375 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0

extract from the iptables -L display
Chain Cid455E1AF011509.0 (1 references)
ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp 
multiport dports www,ssh,https

Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
ACCEPT     icmp --  anywhere             anywhere            icmp 
destination-unreachable state NEW
ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             anywhere            udp 
dpt:bootps state NEW

Chain FORWARD (policy DROP)
target     prot opt source               destination
ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            state 
RELATED,ESTABLISHED
In_RULE_0  all  --  fdcga.com            anywhere
RULE_9     all  --  anywhere             anywhere

Chain OUTPUT (policy DROP)
ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             fdcga.com           udp 
dpt:bootps state NEW

Chain RULE_9 (3 references)
target     prot opt source               destination
LOG        all  --  anywhere             anywhere            LOG level 
info prefix `RULE 9 -- DENY '
DROP       all  --  anywhere             anywhere


It's pretty big so I didn't want to put it all in an email.

Thanks for any assistance you might be able to give.  I'm using 
fwbuilder to generate these lines, otherwise I wouldn't be this far.

Jim.



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 12:20:26 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
Message-ID: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

My / dir is 100%. There are no large files in it to move or delete, so 
what is the best remedy ? 

The HD is an ATA 10+gig with a larger Firewire 
drive's partitions mounted on /. 

Thanks again,
Courtney


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 12:29:41 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:29:41 -0500
Subject: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?
References: <000701c70e9a$965f5110$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><ed62030a0611221810l44e82980o9ce633202a1d5074@mail.gmail.com><45652156.1020609@bellsouth.net>
	<ed62030a0611222030t10a39eeek8a1e48ce00e999fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301c70f24$f5fdf8d0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

I should have also added that the 10+gig HD is now configured as
hda1, hda2 & hda3, each about 2gigs, leaving, of course, about 4gigs
of unused space.

Appreciatively,
Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Sumners" <james.sumners at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] WHERE2 find tomsrootboot that'll fit on ONE floppy ?


> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> [root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ls
> buildit.s  fdflush   install.s     settings.s    tomsrtbt.raw
> clone.s    fdformat  license.html  tomsrtbt.FAQ  unpack.s
> [root at trumpy tomsrtbt-2.0.103]# ./install.s
> 
> Don't forget to READ the FAQ.
> 
> Insert a blank writable 3.5" floppy diskette then strike ENTER.
> 
> About to fdformat /dev/fd0u1722
> Double-sided, 82 tracks, 21 sec/track. Total capacity 1722 kB.
> Formatting ... done
> Verifying ... done
> About to dd floppy image
> 3444+0 records in
> 3444+0 records out
> 1763328 bytes (1.8 MB) copied, 177.241 s, 9.9 kB/s
> About to verify floppy image
> Succeeded!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> I now have Tom's Root Boot on a "1.44MB" diskette.
> 
> On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Thank you James.
> >
> > I apologize for not being clearer, but...I want it to fit on one
> > "1.44MB" floppy but I see that his latest won't.
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> >
> > James Sumners wrote:
> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=tomsrtbt&btnI=I%27m+Feeling+Lucky
> > >
> > > On 11/22/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Thanks,
> > >>Courtney
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> James Sumners
> http://james.roomfullofmirrors.com/
> 
> "All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts
> pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it
> is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become
> drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted."
> 
> Missionaria Protectiva, Text QIV (decto)
> CH:D 59
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> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Thu Nov 23 12:44:39 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:44:39 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <20061123174439.GD4801@rdlg.net>



Check /var and /tmp first.  What distro?

Worst case scenario cd / and do a "du -sh *" to find out where space is
being used.


Thus spake Courtney Thomas (courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net):

> My / dir is 100%. There are no large files in it to move or delete, so 
> what is the best remedy ? 
> 
> The HD is an ATA 10+gig with a larger Firewire 
> drive's partitions mounted on /. 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Courtney
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

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From Dow.Hurst at mindspring.com  Thu Nov 23 12:48:10 2006
From: Dow.Hurst at mindspring.com (Dow Hurst)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:48:10 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <4565DEDA.90604@mindspring.com>

Courtney,
Just remove the cruft from /tmp to gain some immediate space.  Check
/var/tmp as well.  Additional spots to check for removable or backupable
files are /usr/tmp (usually linked to /var/tmp), possibly in /var/log
you would have gzipped log files you could burn to a CD or offload to a
backup, or under /var any running servers with growing logs such as from
webservers that could be rotated and moved to backup.
Dow



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 17:03:07 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:03:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
References: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<20061123174439.GD4801@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <003501c70f4b$287ad190$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Robert,

Thank you for your reply.

I'm runnin' Debian-2.6.17.2.

I'm a bit confused that 
    du -sh /
says "20G" and the HD is approx 10G.

Anyway, what I've decided to try is "parted", the partition editor.
Partitions can be resized, moved, deleted, etc....
I have no experience with this but my plan is:
    since I don't have enough remaining space on hda to simply move 
    hda2 to the end of hda, and thereby create enough space adjacent
    to hda1 to resize [expand] it; so, I plan to move each partition,
    maintaining it's size, as far toward disk's end as possible, starting
    with the last and working upward to the first, which I'll then
    expand.

Cordially,
Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce ?


> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Thu Nov 23 20:07:17 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:07:17 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
In-Reply-To: <003501c70f4b$287ad190$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<20061123174439.GD4801@rdlg.net>
	<003501c70f4b$287ad190$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <20061124010717.GE4801@rdlg.net>



Unless you've installed alot of stuff on the system, 20Gig should have a
good bit free.  It's probably logs or temp space...

Do 2 things.

apt-get clean

See how much you have free then cd to / and execute "du -sh *" and 
email it.  it will take a while to run.

Thus spake Courtney Thomas (courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net):

> Robert,
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> 
> I'm runnin' Debian-2.6.17.2.
> 
> I'm a bit confused that 
>     du -sh /
> says "20G" and the HD is approx 10G.
> 
> Anyway, what I've decided to try is "parted", the partition editor.
> Partitions can be resized, moved, deleted, etc....
> I have no experience with this but my plan is:
>     since I don't have enough remaining space on hda to simply move 
>     hda2 to the end of hda, and thereby create enough space adjacent
>     to hda1 to resize [expand] it; so, I plan to move each partition,
>     maintaining it's size, as far toward disk's end as possible, starting
>     with the last and working upward to the first, which I'll then
>     expand.
> 
> Cordially,
> Courtney
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert L. Harris" <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce ?
> 
> 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 23 20:14:06 2006
From: briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net (Jim Philips)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:14:06 -0500
Subject: [ale] / is 100%, how2 reduce  ?
In-Reply-To: <20061124010717.GE4801@rdlg.net>
References: <001f01c70f23$aab8d3a0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<003501c70f4b$287ad190$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<20061124010717.GE4801@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <200611232014.06088.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>

On Thursday 23 November 2006 20:07, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> Unless you've installed alot of stuff on the system, 20Gig should have a
> good bit free.  It's probably logs or temp space...
>
> Do 2 things.
>
> apt-get clean
>
> See how much you have free then cd to / and execute "du -sh *" and
> email it.  it will take a while to run.

Logs and temp files will definitely eat space, but do a search for core files 
too. In my production experience, they are more often the culprit when disk 
space suddenly drops.


From niceguyj at comcast.net  Thu Nov 23 20:19:13 2006
From: niceguyj at comcast.net (Jim Sculley)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 20:19:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] iptables problem
In-Reply-To: <4565D56C.1060800@fayettedigital.com>
References: <4565D56C.1060800@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <45664891.5030400@comcast.net>

Jim wrote:
> I'm having trouble still getting the iptables set up.
> 
> What are these messages telling me?  I sort of thought I had ssh enabled 
> both ways and the same for bootps which is 67 I think.


Here is an iptables tutorial I used when setting up my firewall.

http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 23 21:41:30 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 21:41:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] acpi + hibernation + network interfaces + CPU	utilization
	+ Ubuntu	Edgy = problems
In-Reply-To: <1164247004.5066.15.camel@localhost>
References: <1164247004.5066.15.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1164336090.15656.1.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 20:56 -0500, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> I've got Edgy installed on my laptop (T60p) and for the most part things
> work well.  However, there are a few hibernation/restore (via acpid)
> problems that I need some additional assistance with as I can't seem to
> locate any log errors that identify a problem.
> 
> First, coming out of hibernation, the wireless network interface
> (ipw3945) exists but sometimes won't become active.  That is
> NetworkManager doesn't recognize it, and manually setting it has no
> affect.  However, "ifconfig -a" clearly shows the interface. 
> 
> Secondly, occasionally entering hibernation (closing laptop lid) the
> memory never swaps to disk and I ca re-open the lid and get an X session
> back.  Looking at the process table I can see the acpi hibernate scripts
> still running but I don't see any reason in /var/log/acpid to indicate
> why the system never successfully hibernated.  Kill -9 has no affect on
> anything, and shutting down (or trying to reboot) results in the system
> eventually hanging in some unknown (and blank) state... but still
> powered on.
> 
> Any ideas on how to debug these issues?

Well, I got no input on debugging, so I went ahead and just tried all
the possible things that Google could suggest.  In the end, and without
having to completely re-install, adding these kernel boot options solved
the problems:

  ec_intr=0 acpi=force pci=noacpi acpi_sleep=s3_bios resume=/dev/sdaXX


-Jim P.





From asledge at gpc.edu  Thu Nov 23 22:02:38 2006
From: asledge at gpc.edu (Andrew Sledge)
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:02:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ale Digest, Vol 121, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3602.1164336093.10942.ale@ale.org>
References: <mailman.3602.1164336093.10942.ale@ale.org>
Message-ID: <1164337358.4678.4.camel@lt1.comcast.net>

> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:07:56 -0500
> From: Jim <ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com>
> Subject: [ale] iptables problem
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <4565D56C.1060800 at fayettedigital.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I'm having trouble still getting the iptables set up.
> 
> What are these messages telling me?  I sort of thought I had ssh enabled 
> both ways and the same for bootps which is 67 I think.
> 
> Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 67.18.92.17 port 67
> Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga dhclient: send_packet: Operation not permitted
> Nov 23 11:58:19 fdcga kernel: RULE 9 -- DENY IN= OUT=eth0 
> SRC=69.93.127.205 DST=67.18.92.17 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 
> DF PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308
> Nov 23 11:58:23 fdcga kernel: RULE 9 -- DENY IN= OUT=eth0 
> SRC=69.93.127.205 DST=69.61.66.106 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 
> DF PROTO=TCP SPT=1375 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
> 
> extract from the iptables -L display
> Chain Cid455E1AF011509.0 (1 references)
> ACCEPT     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp 
> multiport dports www,ssh,https
> 
> Chain INPUT (policy DROP)
> ACCEPT     icmp --  anywhere             anywhere            icmp 
> destination-unreachable state NEW
> ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             anywhere            udp 
> dpt:bootps state NEW
> 
> Chain FORWARD (policy DROP)
> target     prot opt source               destination
> ACCEPT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            state 
> RELATED,ESTABLISHED
> In_RULE_0  all  --  fdcga.com            anywhere
> RULE_9     all  --  anywhere             anywhere
> 
> Chain OUTPUT (policy DROP)
> ACCEPT     udp  --  anywhere             fdcga.com           udp 
> dpt:bootps state NEW
> 
> Chain RULE_9 (3 references)
> target     prot opt source               destination
> LOG        all  --  anywhere             anywhere            LOG level 
> info prefix `RULE 9 -- DENY '
> DROP       all  --  anywhere             anywhere
> 
> 
> It's pretty big so I didn't want to put it all in an email.
> 
> Thanks for any assistance you might be able to give.  I'm using 
> fwbuilder to generate these lines, otherwise I wouldn't be this far.
> 
> Jim.

http://www.irishchronicles.com/filebin/firewall.sh.txt





From jimpop at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 24 01:14:18 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:14:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
Message-ID: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>

I spent some time today with some family members who's home PC was
having "issues".  I suspected the usual pop-up, "search" tools, etc.,
but soon found that I was dealing with a trojan'ed box.  It's a
WinXP-Home (sp1) PC that was purchased 2 years ago and last received
Norton Virus updates over a year ago when the initial subscription ran
out.  I took some time to educate the very (non-concerned) novices on
what was happening.  I even showed them all the _outbound_ spam emails
that Norton was blocking (but I doubt it was blocking them all).  These
folks are very nice people, but completely removed from internet
security concerns.   I've disabled their PC for now, and I am heading
back to their home next weekend to re-install XP.

In the meantime I would like to get some input on something:  Is there a
solid AV tool for XP that doesn't require any user interaction, provides
a firm "locked down" environment, can automatically update signatures,
as well as periodic filesystem scanning?  For this PC I'm favoring
complete automatic action over any user prompting.

Any help is appreciated, thanks,

-Jim P.







From marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com  Fri Nov 24 05:58:15 2006
From: marvin.higginbottom at gmail.com (Marvin,
	International Martian of Mystery)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 05:58:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>

Jim Popovitch wrote:
> In the meantime I would like to get some input on something:  Is there a
> solid AV tool for XP that doesn't require any user interaction, provides
> a firm "locked down" environment, can automatically update signatures,
> as well as periodic filesystem scanning?  For this PC I'm favoring
> complete automatic action over any user prompting.
>   
AVG anti-virus.  http://www.grisoft.com  It comes in free and commercial 
versions, and the free version will do all you require.





From retief at larp.com  Fri Nov 24 07:22:24 2006
From: retief at larp.com (Jay Finch)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:22:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost> <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4566E400.6080102@larp.com>

I also use Clam AV (http://www.clamav.net) for a free anti-virus 
utility.  It's nice, but AVG might be better.

Cheers!
Jay

Marvin, International Martian of Mystery wrote:
> Jim Popovitch wrote:
>   
>> In the meantime I would like to get some input on something:  Is there a
>> solid AV tool for XP that doesn't require any user interaction, provides
>> a firm "locked down" environment, can automatically update signatures,
>> as well as periodic filesystem scanning?  For this PC I'm favoring
>> complete automatic action over any user prompting.
>>   
>>     
> AVG anti-virus.  http://www.grisoft.com  It comes in free and commercial 
> versions, and the free version will do all you require.
>
>
>
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From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Fri Nov 24 08:58:58 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 08:58:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] iptables problem
In-Reply-To: <45664891.5030400@comcast.net>
References: <4565D56C.1060800@fayettedigital.com>
	<45664891.5030400@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4566FAA2.4010305@fayettedigital.com>

Jim Sculley wrote:
>
> Here is an iptables tutorial I used when setting up my firewall.
>
> http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>   
Wow!  Thanks.  That's quit a document.

Jim.


From adrin at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 24 12:22:12 2006
From: adrin at bellsouth.net (H. A. Story)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:22:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <45672A44.5070105@bellsouth.net>

I turned off quoting.  but here it goes.

This is my experience.

 The copy of free AVG that I am using will still prompt you.  the version 7.XX I am using doesn't appear to detect all Spyware / Adware.  My general thought is that it is not consider a virus. They do have a trail version spyware/adware tool that is very good. ewido I think is the name.  I have used clamwin and like it also.  You can set it up to send you alerts through email.  Clamwin requires cgywin, I have found that my version takes longer and longer to to weekly or daily scans, over 10 hours to do a scan on less than 40Gig, don't know why.  Windows defender seems to work okay so far.  It will bug the hell out of you on every startup though if you have a program you want to ignore, say VNC. The truth though is for every new application or update that comes out to stop someone. Something new comes out to get around it. 

I think by far the best thing you can do in most cases is about a 30 minute educational class. When not to click and if they are not sure about something, use google to get answers.  Setting IE to clear the cache on exit and setting the size really small. The new version of Norton 2007 goes a long way to block scripting and a viruses,  but you still get the prompts, and even more now.  I find them annoying. 

With that in mind.
Only giving users, users access, (Yeah this breaks some applications.).  You can also play with mandatory profiles, these are cool to screw with people.


Adrin




From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Fri Nov 24 14:04:22 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:04:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1164395062.4001.16.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

F-Prot will handle your requirements for AV issues. It is also VERY
affordable and efficient.

Spybot Search & Destroy has automatic stuff built in (under advanced
features) that can be used to automate things. 

Next is a set of "Best Practices":

Any browser except IE. 
Disable ActiveX in IE except for microsoft.com site. 
Remove IE from the menu so it must be searched for to use. 
Make the new browser use the IE "big blue E" icon.
Any mail client but Outlook Express.
Change the Defaults settings to not use IE and Outlook.
Change the defaults settings to not allow IE and outlook to be used.

On Fri, 2006-11-24 at 01:14 -0500, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> I spent some time today with some family members who's home PC was
> having "issues".  I suspected the usual pop-up, "search" tools, etc.,
> but soon found that I was dealing with a trojan'ed box.  It's a
> WinXP-Home (sp1) PC that was purchased 2 years ago and last received
> Norton Virus updates over a year ago when the initial subscription ran
> out.  I took some time to educate the very (non-concerned) novices on
> what was happening.  I even showed them all the _outbound_ spam emails
> that Norton was blocking (but I doubt it was blocking them all).  These
> folks are very nice people, but completely removed from internet
> security concerns.   I've disabled their PC for now, and I am heading
> back to their home next weekend to re-install XP.
> 
> In the meantime I would like to get some input on something:  Is there a
> solid AV tool for XP that doesn't require any user interaction, provides
> a firm "locked down" environment, can automatically update signatures,
> as well as periodic filesystem scanning?  For this PC I'm favoring
> complete automatic action over any user prompting.
> 
> Any help is appreciated, thanks,
> 
> -Jim P.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
James P. Kinney III          
CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 25 14:00:45 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:00:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
Message-ID: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old outta whack
disk.

When I...
    lde /dev/hda
the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....

    root inode is not a dir
    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
    found ext2fs on device

        inodes 252416
        blocks 504000
        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
        zonesize 4096
        max size 1074791436

1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?

2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and this one's
0

3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5 lines] ?

4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've assumed the
superblock ?

I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into real/active
disk calamities,
that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further information on
use of this tool ?

Thank you,
Courtney



From danlambert at bellsouth.net  Sat Nov 25 14:05:23 2006
From: danlambert at bellsouth.net (Dan Lambert)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 14:05:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost> <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <456893F3.1070601@bellsouth.net>

I know several people who have been using the AVG solution, but the free 
version dies on Jan. 15, 2007, and all they will offer then is the 
commercial version.

The best Windoze package I've seen for an AV and Spam blocker is the 
Zone Labs ZoneAlarm Pro  package. It is about the best and most 
comprehensive AV package out there, and it receives very high marks from 
just about every review I've read. It includes their ZoneAlarm Firewall, 
which is way better than the MS joke that is included in WXP SP2.

Utility wise, I still like the Symantec Norton System Works about the 
best, and you can get the Basic package which doesn't have an AV program 
in it for not much money.

If it was mine, that's what I'd do..

Dan

Marvin, International Martian of Mystery wrote:
> Jim Popovitch wrote:
> 
>>In the meantime I would like to get some input on something:  Is there a
>>solid AV tool for XP that doesn't require any user interaction, provides
>>a firm "locked down" environment, can automatically update signatures,
>>as well as periodic filesystem scanning?  For this PC I'm favoring
>>complete automatic action over any user prompting.
>>  
> 
> AVG anti-virus.  http://www.grisoft.com  It comes in free and commercial 
> versions, and the free version will do all you require.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> 


From arromdee at rahul.net  Sat Nov 25 14:45:13 2006
From: arromdee at rahul.net (Ken Arromdee)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:45:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ale] computer show
Message-ID: <20061125194514.069BABE8C0@green.rahul.net>

Does anyone know when the next computer show in the Atlanta area is?


From rb211 at tds.net  Sat Nov 25 15:08:46 2006
From: rb211 at tds.net (William Bagwell)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:08:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] computer show
In-Reply-To: <20061125194514.069BABE8C0@green.rahul.net>
References: <20061125194514.069BABE8C0@green.rahul.net>
Message-ID: <200611251508.46853.rb211@tds.net>

On Saturday 25 November 2006 02:45 pm, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> Does anyone know when the next computer show in the Atlanta area is?

Looks like today and tomorrow.
http://www.narisaam.com/cobbcounty.shtml

If you have not been to the Cobb show in several years you are going to be  
disappointed. It has been shrinking in size. Perhaps the holidays will 
bring a few vendors back...
-- 
William


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Sat Nov 25 15:23:26 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:23:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] computer show
In-Reply-To: <200611251508.46853.rb211@tds.net>
References: <20061125194514.069BABE8C0@green.rahul.net>
	<200611251508.46853.rb211@tds.net>
Message-ID: <4568A63E.106@fayettedigital.com>

William Bagwell wrote:
> On Saturday 25 November 2006 02:45 pm, Ken Arromdee wrote:
>   
>> Does anyone know when the next computer show in the Atlanta area is?
>>     
>
> Looks like today and tomorrow.
> http://www.narisaam.com/cobbcounty.shtml
>
> If you have not been to the Cobb show in several years you are going to be  
> disappointed. It has been shrinking in size. Perhaps the holidays will 
> bring a few vendors back...
>   
Nope,  all that's left is the main floor and it's not even full.  Billy 
from Turbo Atlanta is the only vendor I recognized from years past.

Jim.


From bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu  Sat Nov 25 16:35:34 2006
From: bpitts at learnlink.emory.edu (Brian Pitts)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:35:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] preventing trojans/bots
In-Reply-To: <fc.3b9aca004e39cb4d3b9aca0016a9dfa8.30981732@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <1164348858.18879.0.camel@localhost> <4566D047.4080601@gmail.com>
	<fc.3b9aca004e39cb4d3b9aca0016a9dfa8.30981732@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <4568B726.6090706@learnlink.emory.edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts wrote:
> I know several people who have been using the AVG solution, but the free
> version dies on Jan. 15, 2007, and all they will offer then is the
> commercial version.
No, version 7.1 of the freeware edition dies. All this means is that 
users must upgrade to 7.5 freeware. For the record, AVG also has a 
freeware antispyware product.

http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1

My personal recommendation is to create two partitions, one for the OS 
and programs, and one for their data. Install XP SP2 and all the 
software they'll need, set up My Documents to point to the data 
partition, install Deep Freeze ($30), freeze the OS partition, and leave 
the data partition as a thawspace. Every time the computer is restarted 
the software will revert to its initial clean state. You can use the 
scheduled maintenance feature to have Deep Freeze periodically unthaw 
the OS and install software updates.

http://www.faronics.com/

-Brian


From linux at jtholmes.com  Sat Nov 25 16:59:40 2006
From: linux at jtholmes.com (linux)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:59:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT Need pent4  2.2 > 478 socket
Message-ID: <4568BCCC.5090903@jtholmes.com>

I need a Pentium 4  2.2Mz up to 2.8 (believe that was the
highest made) with Cooling Fan assy. for Asus p4p800 MB.

$65-70 or less for both please,but wont quibble if around that
price.

Please reply to
jt at jtholmes.com
or
678 549 7008

thanks



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sat Nov 25 17:50:04 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:50:04 -0500
Subject: [ale] computer show
In-Reply-To: <200611251508.46853.rb211@tds.net>
References: <20061125194514.069BABE8C0@green.rahul.net>
	<200611251508.46853.rb211@tds.net>
Message-ID: <1164495004.13007.9.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Years ago I got my first Linux CD from that show.  The rest is
history...
 
On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 15:08 -0500, William Bagwell wrote:
> On Saturday 25 November 2006 02:45 pm, Ken Arromdee wrote:
> > Does anyone know when the next computer show in the Atlanta area is?
> 
> Looks like today and tomorrow.
> http://www.narisaam.com/cobbcounty.shtml
> 
> If you have not been to the Cobb show in several years you are going to be  
> disappointed. It has been shrinking in size. Perhaps the holidays will 
> bring a few vendors back...



From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Sat Nov 25 19:40:13 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 19:40:13 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
In-Reply-To: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>

Courtney,

I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level not
the disk level.

If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the first
primary partition on the disk.

"fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to choose from.

If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want to
look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.

Hope that helps
Greg

On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old outta whack
> disk.
>
> When I...
>    lde /dev/hda
> the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
>
>    root inode is not a dir
>    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
>    found ext2fs on device
>
>        inodes 252416
>        blocks 504000
>        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
>        zonesize 4096
>        max size 1074791436
>
> 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
>
> 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and this one's
> 0
>
> 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5 lines] ?
>
> 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've assumed the
> superblock ?
>
> I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into real/active
> disk calamities,
> that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further information on
> use of this tool ?
>
> Thank you,
> Courtney
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sat Nov 25 20:13:33 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 20:13:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT:  Flash + SSH
Message-ID: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Are there any flash experts here that know if it is possible to develop
a ssh or telnet client using Flash?





From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sat Nov 25 22:16:58 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 22:16:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611251833r16560814head193448df26763@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a3c3e8150611251833r16560814head193448df26763@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 21:33 -0500, Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> Looks like the answer is yes, at least in principle:
> 
> http://flashforever.blogspot.com/2005/11/flash-telnet-client-with-flash-player.html

That looks good.  Is Flash 9 available for Linux yet?
> 
> Don't know about existing ssh clients in flash, but there are Java
> applets that can ssh:
> 
> http://www.oit.duke.edu/sa/security/ssh.html

I've got one like that in use.  I have problems with java so I've been
thinking about redeploying a client application in Flash.  

Another problem I have is with firewalls.  We have a J2EE application
that runs on Linux.  We have a Java applet that communicates with a
proxy agent on port 4000 of the server.  It is basically a terminal
emulator in VT100 that communicates via the proxy to deployed devices.
I would like the ability for it to use the same port as the Apache web
server.  I've seen similar capabilities on IP KVM devices where the java
applet that is the client communicates on port 80 or 443 just like the
web browser.  It is in real time just like VNC.  Is there a module for
this in Apache?  I would still need to implement the proxy code
somewhere but the benefit of communicating on the same port as the web
server would get me around these firewall issues.






From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 26 09:54:56 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:54:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a3c3e8150611251833r16560814head193448df26763@mail.gmail.com>
	<1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1164552896.13007.23.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I don't think anything special is needed for real-time communications.
I wrote a simple C program to run on our embedded device to test this
idea out.  It was faster to test it there than on our server.

int
raw(int argc, char **argv) {
  int pid;
  fd_set rfds;

  /*
   * Why fork?
   * the web server will kill all cgi processes that have
   * been alive for 600(s).  This is how it protects
   * against possible runners.  We fork so that we can keep
   * running forever if we need to.
   */
  pid = fork();

  if(pid) {
    return 1;
  }

  while(1) {
    int ret;
    char byte;
    FD_ZERO(&rfds);
    FD_SET(0, &rfds);

    ret = select(1, &rfds, NULL,NULL,NULL);

    if(select < 0) {
      return 1;
    }

    if(read(0, &byte,1) <= 0) {
      return 1; /* EOF */
    }

    write(1, &byte,1);


  }
  return 0;

}


If I telnet to the web server and use command 'GET /cgi-bin/raw' then I
get this program that does exactly what it is supposed to do.

On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 22:16 -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 21:33 -0500, Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> > Looks like the answer is yes, at least in principle:
> > 
> > http://flashforever.blogspot.com/2005/11/flash-telnet-client-with-flash-player.html
> 
> That looks good.  Is Flash 9 available for Linux yet?
> > 
> > Don't know about existing ssh clients in flash, but there are Java
> > applets that can ssh:
> > 
> > http://www.oit.duke.edu/sa/security/ssh.html
> 
> I've got one like that in use.  I have problems with java so I've been
> thinking about redeploying a client application in Flash.  
> 
> Another problem I have is with firewalls.  We have a J2EE application
> that runs on Linux.  We have a Java applet that communicates with a
> proxy agent on port 4000 of the server.  It is basically a terminal
> emulator in VT100 that communicates via the proxy to deployed devices.
> I would like the ability for it to use the same port as the Apache web
> server.  I've seen similar capabilities on IP KVM devices where the java
> applet that is the client communicates on port 80 or 443 just like the
> web browser.  It is in real time just like VNC.  Is there a module for
> this in Apache?  I would still need to implement the proxy code
> somewhere but the benefit of communicating on the same port as the web
> server would get me around these firewall issues.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 26 09:59:22 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 09:59:22 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the superblock
is seemingly gone.

I'll try it.

Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to consider
things that go round and round again  :-)

Merry Christmas,
Courtney

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> Courtney,
>
> I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level not
> the disk level.
>
> If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the first
> primary partition on the disk.
>
> "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to choose from.
>
> If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want to
> look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
>
> Hope that helps
> Greg
>
> On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old outta
whack
> > disk.
> >
> > When I...
> >    lde /dev/hda
> > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> >
> >    root inode is not a dir
> >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> >    found ext2fs on device
> >
> >        inodes 252416
> >        blocks 504000
> >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> >        zonesize 4096
> >        max size 1074791436
> >
> > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> >
> > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and this
one's
> > 0
> >
> > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5 lines]
?
> >
> > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've assumed
the
> > superblock ?
> >
> > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
real/active
> > disk calamities,
> > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further information
 on
> > use of this tool ?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Courtney
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 26 10:15:58 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:15:58 -0500
Subject: [ale] Apache and CGI echo server
Message-ID: <1164554158.13007.38.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I'm trying to write a simple echo server test program to run as a CGI in
apache.

use IO::Select;
use strict;

my $pid = fork();
exit 0 if $pid;

open LOG, ">> /tmp/echo.log";

$| = 1;
print "Test Echo Server.\n";


my $fdset = new IO::Select;
my $wfdset = new IO::Select;
my $r_ready;
my $w_ready;
my $error;
my $timeout = 30;
my $err;

$fdset->add(\*STDIN);

while (1) {

        SELECT:

        my ($r_ready, $w_ready, $error) =
                  IO::Select->select($fdset, $wfdset, $err, $timeout);

        # If nothing has occured, we have timedout
        if($r_ready eq "") {
                goto SELECT;
        }

        foreach my $ready (@$r_ready) {
                my $data;

                if($ready == \*STDIN) {
                        sysread($ready, $data, 1);
                        syswrite(1, $data, 1);
                }

        }
}


The problem that I'm having is that when I do the following:
[tomcat at sam-devel SystemConfig]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 80
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /SC/echo.pl
Echo this line



The program does not seem to echo back what I sent.  I tested the
program on the command line so I know it works.  I tested the concept on
an embedded device running thttpd and that works.  I think maybe Apache
is doing its own buffering.  The idea is that I want a Java Applet which
is a real-time client to our software to communicate via the same port
as the apache is on.  This is so I can avoid firewall issues at customer
sites.  I originally got this idea when using KVM over IP equipment.
They use a web server for a normal HTML interface and their real-time
desktop client uses the same port (80 or 443) to allow users to
interface with the PCs that are connected to the KVM.  Maybe someone
here that is familiar with apache can tell me what apache may be doing
and how I could turn it off.

Thanks,
Chris





From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 26 10:25:26 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 10:25:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] Apache and GCI echo server (UPDATE)
Message-ID: <1164554726.13007.40.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

Apache is doing its own processing.  When I left the computer and came
back I got the following error message from the server:


[tomcat at sam-devel SystemConfig]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 80
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to 127.0.0.1.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET /SC/echo.pl
Echo this line

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><head>
<title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Internal Server Error</h1>
<p>The server encountered an internal error or
misconfiguration and was unable to complete
your request.</p>
<p>Please contact the server administrator,
 you at example.com and inform them of the time the error occurred,
and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.</p>
<p>More information about this error may be available
in the server error log.</p>
<hr>
<address>Apache/2.0.55 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.7a mod_jk/1.2.5
Server at sam-devel.opsup.com Port 80</address>
</body></html>




From colbert.brandon at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 13:54:25 2006
From: colbert.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Colbert)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:54:25 -0500
Subject: [ale] Voice Recognition software
Message-ID: <736a7bae0611261054i51e1706co3162d9ea416dc00e@mail.gmail.com>

What voice recognition software works great with Linux? I want to be able to
use this with my Misterhouse.
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From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 14:40:25 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:40:25 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
In-Reply-To: <010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>
	<010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com>

Courtney,

I'm still unsure what your issue is.

The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.

In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0, Head
0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.  The
first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.  With
most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive with
63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the start of
the first partition.

Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table a
small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I think
"man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the partition
table.

If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
like gpart can be used to recreate it.

Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call it a
superblock at all.

Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research your problem.
Greg

On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the superblock
> is seemingly gone.
>
> I'll try it.
>
> Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to consider
> things that go round and round again  :-)
>
> Merry Christmas,
> Courtney
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
>
>
> > Courtney,
> >
> > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level not
> > the disk level.
> >
> > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the first
> > primary partition on the disk.
> >
> > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to choose from.
> >
> > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want to
> > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> >
> > Hope that helps
> > Greg
> >
> > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old outta
> whack
> > > disk.
> > >
> > > When I...
> > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> > >
> > >    root inode is not a dir
> > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > >    found ext2fs on device
> > >
> > >        inodes 252416
> > >        blocks 504000
> > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > >        zonesize 4096
> > >        max size 1074791436
> > >
> > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> > >
> > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and this
> one's
> > > 0
> > >
> > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5 lines]
> ?
> > >
> > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've assumed
> the
> > > superblock ?
> > >
> > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
> real/active
> > > disk calamities,
> > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further information
>  on
> > > use of this tool ?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Courtney
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Freemyer
> > The Norcross Group
> > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Sun Nov 26 15:30:12 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 15:30:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] [OT?] Firefox password hashers
Message-ID: <200611261530.12316.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

There seem to be a number of password hashing add-ons that allow you to 
remember only one password, but provide different passwords to different 
sites.  Anyone here used any of them?

David


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 26 18:01:11 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:01:11 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com><010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Greg,

Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get  :-)

Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.

But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary partitions,
/, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.

Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd be glad
to
forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.

Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions before
this
implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of the
former
layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to look it
over.

I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using ext2fs.

Cordially,

Courtney




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> Courtney,
>
> I'm still unsure what your issue is.
>
> The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
>
> In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0, Head
> 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.  The
> first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.  With
> most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive with
> 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the start of
> the first partition.
>
> Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table a
> small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I think
> "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the partition
> table.
>
> If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> like gpart can be used to recreate it.
>
> Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call it a
> superblock at all.
>
> Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research your
problem.
> Greg
>
> On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the
superblock
> > is seemingly gone.
> >
> > I'll try it.
> >
> > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to consider
> > things that go round and round again  :-)
> >
> > Merry Christmas,
> > Courtney
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> >
> >
> > > Courtney,
> > >
> > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level not
> > > the disk level.
> > >
> > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the first
> > > primary partition on the disk.
> > >
> > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to choose
from.
> > >
> > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want to
> > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > >
> > > Hope that helps
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old
outta
> > whack
> > > > disk.
> > > >
> > > > When I...
> > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> > > >
> > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > >
> > > >        inodes 252416
> > > >        blocks 504000
> > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > >
> > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> > > >
> > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and
this
> > one's
> > > > 0
> > > >
> > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5
lines]
> > ?
> > > >
> > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've
assumed
> > the
> > > > superblock ?
> > > >
> > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
> > real/active
> > > > disk calamities,
> > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
information
> >  on
> > > > use of this tool ?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Courtney
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 26 21:44:59 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:44:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Apache and GCI echo server (UPDATE)
In-Reply-To: <a3c3e8150611261833t65d0483mdfd7717b9c9a1fa9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1164554726.13007.40.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a3c3e8150611261833t65d0483mdfd7717b9c9a1fa9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1164595499.25345.8.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

[Sun Nov 26 09:29:37 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] malformed header
from script. Bad header=Test Echo Server.: echo.pl


I guess Apache is expecting to parse a "Content-Type"

On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 21:33 -0500, Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
> On 11/26/06, Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com> wrote:
> > Apache is doing its own processing.  When I left the computer and came
> > back I got the following error message from the server:
> >
> > [tomcat at sam-devel SystemConfig]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 80
> > Trying 127.0.0.1...
> > Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> > Escape character is '^]'.
> > GET /SC/echo.pl
> > Echo this line
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
> > <html><head>
> > <title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
> 
> Normally 500 means the script died for some reason.  Check the apache
> error log for details.  I'd guess it has something to do with the perl
> interpreter being used.  Are you running mod_perl in your apache
> server?



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Sun Nov 26 21:50:24 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (Christopher Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:50:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] Apache and GCI echo server (UPDATE)
In-Reply-To: <1164554726.13007.40.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164554726.13007.40.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <1164595824.25345.12.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>

I think the difference is that minimal web servers like thttpd and
GoAhead simply use select to pass data between the browser and any cgi
program.  Apache is more restricted in what it will do.  In a GET it
will expect all output from the CGI then when the CGI dies it will pass
that output to the browser.  A POST probably works in the opposite
direction.  Get all output from the browser then execute CGI and pass
that output to it.  The only option I can see is a httpd.conf parameter
that will allow me to tell it on certain pages to simply use select to
pass data between the browser and the cgi.  Not even sure of that is
possible...


On Sun, 2006-11-26 at 10:25 -0500, Christopher Fowler wrote:
> Apache is doing its own processing.  When I left the computer and came
> back I got the following error message from the server:
> 
> 
> [tomcat at sam-devel SystemConfig]$ telnet 127.0.0.1 80
> Trying 127.0.0.1...
> Connected to 127.0.0.1.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> GET /SC/echo.pl
> Echo this line
> 
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
> <html><head>
> <title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
> </head><body>
> <h1>Internal Server Error</h1>
> <p>The server encountered an internal error or
> misconfiguration and was unable to complete
> your request.</p>
> <p>Please contact the server administrator,
>  you at example.com and inform them of the time the error occurred,
> and anything you might have done that may have
> caused the error.</p>
> <p>More information about this error may be available
> in the server error log.</p>
> <hr>
> <address>Apache/2.0.55 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.55 OpenSSL/0.9.7a mod_jk/1.2.5
> Server at sam-devel.opsup.com Port 80</address>
> </body></html>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Mon Nov 27 08:12:12 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:12:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] Probably off topic
Message-ID: <20061127131212.GI4801@rdlg.net>



I'm looking at plugging the DVI interface on the back of my computer
(Linux/win) and run it to a TV I just bought (love black friday sales).  At
any rate, the TV is a JVC with the DVI and the HDMI interface on the
back.  Can I plug the DVI cable into my Computer and play videos in full
screen on my TV through either the HDMI or DVI inputs?

Anyone actually done this yet?  If so it's likely the first step to
going with a MythTV...

Robert

:wq!
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From ale at gurlhax0r.org  Mon Nov 27 08:26:38 2006
From: ale at gurlhax0r.org (ale list)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:26:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Vista EULA, of interest?
Message-ID: <456AE78E.60002@gurlhax0r.org>

Vista EULA issues...

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423

--
Tina


From nedj10 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 08:54:04 2006
From: nedj10 at gmail.com (nedj10 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:54:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ale] Ale opinion requested, pvr's mythTV and HDTV
Message-ID: <456aedfc.4cbe446b.77dd.ffffb85e@mx.google.com>

Greetings ALE'ers , I would like to know what people on the list with regards to the various open source pvr/stb projects.  I ask as have been looking over the mythtv and linuxdvb projects and the data seems quite convuluted when it comes to recording hdtv streams, any done this with success?
TIA
Ned Williams



From hbbs at comcast.net  Mon Nov 27 08:56:36 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:56:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Vista EULA, of interest?
In-Reply-To: <456AE78E.60002@gurlhax0r.org>
References: <456AE78E.60002@gurlhax0r.org>
Message-ID: <456AEE94.10108@comcast.net>

This is indeed interesting, however, it's hardly new with respect to
Microsoft.  For a good while now, MS EULAs have asserted MS' right to
rescind your right to use their software because they have deemed you to
be out of compliance with the license terms ("Microsoft - where do you
want your due process today?").  In my view, businesses that use MS
products do so with a sword dangled over their heads.

ale list wrote:
> Vista EULA issues...
>
> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423
>
> --
> Tina
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   



From stillwaxin at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 09:00:30 2006
From: stillwaxin at gmail.com (Michael Still)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:00:30 -0500
Subject: [ale] Probably off topic
In-Reply-To: <20061127131212.GI4801@rdlg.net>
References: <20061127131212.GI4801@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <12bbc01c0611270600i4a2b0590vcf04540b4d884cab@mail.gmail.com>

In theory, you plug it in and it works.  I would manually set the
resolution on the computer before plugging in to tv.  Hopefully you
have a monitor that can do HD resolutions.  Its not needed, but
helpful to troubleshoot.  Also make sure refresh is 60hz.


On 11/27/06, Robert L. Harris <Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net> wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking at plugging the DVI interface on the back of my computer
> (Linux/win) and run it to a TV I just bought (love black friday sales).  At
> any rate, the TV is a JVC with the DVI and the HDMI interface on the
> back.  Can I plug the DVI cable into my Computer and play videos in full
> screen on my TV through either the HDMI or DVI inputs?
>
> Anyone actually done this yet?  If so it's likely the first step to
> going with a MythTV...
>
> Robert
>
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert L. Harris                     | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B
>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
>        ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
>        no-one else.                       - Manowar
>
>
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From jkinney at localnetsolutions.com  Mon Nov 27 09:11:18 2006
From: jkinney at localnetsolutions.com (James P. Kinney III)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:11:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Vista EULA, of interest?
In-Reply-To: <456AEE94.10108@comcast.net>
References: <456AE78E.60002@gurlhax0r.org>  <456AEE94.10108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1164636678.4109.7.camel@merlin.localnetsolutions.com>

On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 08:56 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> This is indeed interesting, however, it's hardly new with respect to
> Microsoft.  For a good while now, MS EULAs have asserted MS' right to
> rescind your right to use their software because they have deemed you to
> be out of compliance with the license terms ("Microsoft - where do you
> want your due process today?").  In my view, businesses that use MS
> products do so with a sword dangled over their heads.

or other body parts deemed just as critical...

Every new M$ version puts more people into the "other OS" camp. The EULA
does little to stop that migration.
> 
> ale list wrote:
> > Vista EULA issues...
> >
> > http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423
> >
> > --
> > Tina
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
-- 
James P. Kinney III          
CEO & Director of Engineering 
Local Net Solutions,LLC        
770-493-8244                    
http://www.localnetsolutions.com

GPG ID: 829C6CA7 James P. Kinney III (M.S. Physics)
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From charriglists at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov 27 10:16:36 2006
From: charriglists at bellsouth.net (Calvin Harrigan)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:16:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] Probably off topic
In-Reply-To: <20061127131212.GI4801@rdlg.net>
References: <20061127131212.GI4801@rdlg.net>
Message-ID: <456B0154.9040508@bellsouth.net>

Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at plugging the DVI interface on the back of my computer
> (Linux/win) and run it to a TV I just bought (love black friday sales).  At
> any rate, the TV is a JVC with the DVI and the HDMI interface on the
> back.  Can I plug the DVI cable into my Computer and play videos in full
> screen on my TV through either the HDMI or DVI inputs?
> 
> Anyone actually done this yet?  If so it's likely the first step to
> going with a MythTV...
> 
> Robert
> 
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert L. Harris                     | GPG Key ID: E344DA3B
>                                          @ x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS             With Dreams To Be A King,
>        ALONE.  I speak for              First One Should Be A Man
>        no-one else.                       - Manowar
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

I have Mythtv running on a big screen TV, but I had to play with the 
resolution and so forth to get it to fill out the screen without over 
scanning.  Most TV sources tend to have a lot of noise along the bottom 
and sides of the picture.  TV's over-scan to put that stuff off the 
visible screen.  Using the computer as a source the TV over-scans it and 
  you'll have tool-bars clipped and the desktop sides trimmed.  Worst it 
might under scan it and the desktop doesn't fill the entire screen, it's 
surrounded by black bars.  In the latter you'll see the entire desktop, 
but who wants there desktop surrounded by bars.  There are many 
hacks/work arounds for many TV models to allow you to use the TV as a 
monitor.  They will employ tools like power-strip to create custom 
resolutions to make you TV look just right.  The first place to look 
would be avs-forum.com.

Calvin


From Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net  Mon Nov 27 20:30:24 2006
From: Robert.L.Harris at rdlg.net (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:30:24 -0500
Subject: [ale] Local LCD Monitor/TV repair?
Message-ID: <20061128013024.GB2808@rdlg.net>



Keeping in mind I live in McDonough (26 miles south of Atl), does anyone
know a place near downtown or south that might be able to repair an LCD
monitor or possibly a TV.  Both of them blew up within a week of each
other.  Oddly enough, they're both doing the same thing where they power
on for about 1/2 a second then click off, rinse repeat.  

Robert

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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 27 21:10:54 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:10:54 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Vista EULA, of interest?
In-Reply-To: <456AEE94.10108@comcast.net>
References: <456AE78E.60002@gurlhax0r.org>  <456AEE94.10108@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1164679854.18917.4.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 08:56 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> This is indeed interesting, however, it's hardly new with respect to
> Microsoft.  For a good while now, MS EULAs have asserted MS' right to
> rescind your right to use their software because they have deemed you to
> be out of compliance with the license terms

...which it a good thing for them (MS) to have when you realize the
number of un-patched and outdated MS OSes that are hanging off of DSL
lines these days.  Now, if MS would only enforce the EULAs in those
cases the world would be a better place. ;-)

-Jim P.



From householdwords at gmail.com  Mon Nov 27 22:10:00 2006
From: householdwords at gmail.com (H P Ladds)
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:10:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ale opinion requested, pvr's mythTV and HDTV
In-Reply-To: <456aedfc.4cbe446b.77dd.ffffb85e@mx.google.com>
References: <456aedfc.4cbe446b.77dd.ffffb85e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <87c8039b0611271910x2ae1df86s623570bec183ec2c@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/27/06, nedj10 at gmail.com <nedj10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I ask as have been looking over the mythtv and linuxdvb projects and the
> data seems quite convuluted when it comes to recording hdtv streams, any
> done this with success?


Yes, I have used MythTV to capture and record (Over The Air) HDTV. I have
only had limited success. However, I am a relative noob to Linux (and
computer tech in general).

I have been installing a multi-machine MythTV system in my home primarily as
a learning exercise. Unfortunately, as soon as I get the system working
well, I try to increase the functionality/performance of the system
and invariable break it.

I am confident that MythTV is the OS approach to take. However, I would be
very hard pressed to recommend MythTV for the person in search of the
"Ultimate Hi-Def Home Theatre." TIVO make too good a product.

If you are looking a fun project and possess intermediate or better linux
skills give it a try. KnoppMyth is the easiest to install. I hear Ubuntu
includes MythTV in its most recent release. (I have yet to try it.) Most
folks work with Jarod Wilson's installation instructions and Fedora Core.
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From braino420 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 05:25:34 2006
From: braino420 at gmail.com (Steve Brown)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:25:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] Voice Recognition software
Message-ID: <7c3b214a0611280225p50208eb0t67262ee781b464af@mail.gmail.com>

Brandon Colbert wrote:
>What voice recognition software works great with Linux? I want to be able
to
>use this with my Misterhouse.

I was looking into this a few weeks ago. Alot of the sites I found referred
to programs that work with ViaVoice from IBM, which they have discontinued.
The best I could come up with was Sphinx4. From what I saw in the demos, it
has very good accuracy and it is implemented with Java. I don't know much
more than that, haven't had the time to look deeper into it. Let me know
what you come up with.

Sphinx4 programming guide:
http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/doc/ProgrammersGuide.html

Java speech page:
http://research.sun.com/speech/


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From srblevi at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 28 12:05:43 2006
From: srblevi at worldnet.att.net (Stephen R. Blevins)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>

I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already 
been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them, 
hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Stephen R. Blevins
srblevi at worldnet.att.net



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 28 12:12:35 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:12:35 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <01dd01c71310$66670320$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Where are the monitors, please ?

What kind/size/etc  are they ?

Cordially,
Courtney

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 12:05 PM
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL


> I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already 
> been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them, 
> hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> -- 
> Stephen R. Blevins
> srblevi at worldnet.att.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Tue Nov 28 12:18:00 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f309eace33b9aca00760115b2.309eb069@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

http://www.eiae.org/reuse_recycle/index.cfm?state=GA&state_name=Georgia

Looks like a good list.

Also, http://www.law.emory.edu/cms/site/index.php?id=recycling has some tips/

-Brian

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From wormfishin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 12:18:20 2006
From: wormfishin at gmail.com (Nick Travis)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:18:20 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <acb6c4410611280918n594aea3aoec31c5d703373746@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/28/06, Stephen R. Blevins <srblevi at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
> been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
> hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.


Not sure where you located but the Paulding county recycling center accepts
computers.
http://www.paulding.gov/living/recycle.asp


Nick
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From srblevi at worldnet.att.net  Tue Nov 28 12:54:37 2006
From: srblevi at worldnet.att.net (Stephen R. Blevins)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:54:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
Message-ID: <456C77DD.90805@worldnet.att.net>

I have plenty of leads, now.   Thanks a bunch.

Stephen R. Blevins wrote:
> I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already 
> been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them, 
> hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.
>
>   

-- 
Stephen R. Blevins
srblevi at worldnet.att.net



From chuck at cehuber.org  Tue Nov 28 14:09:36 2006
From: chuck at cehuber.org (Chuck Huber)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:09:36 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11713.1164733630.10942.ale@ale.org>
References: <mailman.11713.1164733630.10942.ale@ale.org>
Message-ID: <456C8970.8010004@cehuber.org>

ale-request at ale.org wrote:

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905 at worldnet.att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.

-- Stephen R. Blevins srblevi at worldnet.att.net


Stephen,

Donate them to a local tech school, like Devry or ITT Tech.  You can
take a tax deduction on them, it benefits the students, *and* it becomes
their problem on how to get rid of them.

A little monolithic biaveryicide.


Enjoy,
    - Chuck


From colbert.brandon at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 14:22:25 2006
From: colbert.brandon at gmail.com (Brandon Colbert)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:22:25 -0500
Subject: [ale] Qmail
Message-ID: <736a7bae0611281122m68ad8690u77fbf177c7441e3f@mail.gmail.com>

I had to rebuild the mail queue on a customer's server, and reinstall qmail.
Is there a way to get qmail to process the mail in that old queue. I moved
it to the location /var/qmail/queue.bak
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From jcouncilman at knology.net  Tue Nov 28 14:38:02 2006
From: jcouncilman at knology.net (John C)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:38:02 -0500
Subject: [ale] Qmail
In-Reply-To: <736a7bae0611281122m68ad8690u77fbf177c7441e3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0611281122m68ad8690u77fbf177c7441e3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30309340611281138wf085d94r6058b8ea6c2cd65d@mail.gmail.com>

Check out qmail.org for tools to do this.  The qmail queue structure is very
delicate and shouldn't really be messed with.  Also, depending on whether
you have the big-todo patch, you might have to do it differently.

Try this...

Eric Huss has released queue-fix
1.4<http://www.netmeridian.com/e-huss/queue-fix.tar.gz>.
It repairs or generates a qmail queue structure. You can use this to help
move your queue location, or if you regenerate the file system and the inode
numbering changes. It will also fix permissions and ownerships of the files.
Eric reports that Matthew Harrell wrote a patch to
queue-fix<http://qmail.org/queue-fix-todo.patch>which makes it work
with Russ Nelson's
big-todo <http://qmail.org/top.html#big-todo> patch. Patches upon patches!

Or this...

http://pyropus.ca/software/queue-repair/



As far as forcing it to send, you have to edit the "info" file for each
message id within the directory.  If not, qmail will use its own algorithm
to figure out when to try again.  The longer a message is in the queue, the
less often qmail will try to re-send.




On 11/28/06, Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I had to rebuild the mail queue on a customer's server, and reinstall
> qmail. Is there a way to get qmail to process the mail in that old queue. I
> moved it to the location /var/qmail/queue.bak
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
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From jlightner at water.com  Tue Nov 28 14:49:19 2006
From: jlightner at water.com (Jeff Lightner)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:49:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
Message-ID: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FCC22@EXVS01.dsw.net>

That reminds me of a few years back.  A co-worker took a sabbatical to
run a half-way house for refugees from the former Yugoslavia.  He was
trying to train them on computers and they had an old 486 running DOS
similarly old apps.  He wrote asking if our boss would donate a spare
keyboard because the one they had was flaky.  (Ultimately the VP of the
division got wind of it and donated some REAL computers to the half-way
house.)

What was amusing was another co-worker on hearing what this one had
imagined doing the interview for a job for one of these refugees:

"You're familiar with 486 and DOS.  We don't often get people with THOSE
qualifications."  

(You'll have to imagine the ironic tone he used to say that.)

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Chuck Huber
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL

ale-request at ale.org wrote:

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905 at worldnet.att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.

-- Stephen R. Blevins srblevi at worldnet.att.net


Stephen,

Donate them to a local tech school, like Devry or ITT Tech.  You can
take a tax deduction on them, it benefits the students, *and* it becomes
their problem on how to get rid of them.

A little monolithic biaveryicide.


Enjoy,
    - Chuck
_______________________________________________
Ale mailing list
Ale at ale.org
http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 28 14:59:19 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:59:19 -0800
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FCC22@EXVS01.dsw.net>
References: <99E6A67A9DA87041A8020FBC11F480B3014FCC22@EXVS01.dsw.net>
Message-ID: <1164743959.5890.0.camel@cfowler-laptop>

Its easy to donate your seconds much harder to donate your firsts.


On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 14:49 -0500, Jeff Lightner wrote:
> That reminds me of a few years back.  A co-worker took a sabbatical to
> run a half-way house for refugees from the former Yugoslavia.  He was
> trying to train them on computers and they had an old 486 running DOS
> similarly old apps.  He wrote asking if our boss would donate a spare
> keyboard because the one they had was flaky.  (Ultimately the VP of the
> division got wind of it and donated some REAL computers to the half-way
> house.)
> 
> What was amusing was another co-worker on hearing what this one had
> imagined doing the interview for a job for one of these refugees:
> 
> "You're familiar with 486 and DOS.  We don't often get people with THOSE
> qualifications."  
> 
> (You'll have to imagine the ironic tone he used to say that.)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Chuck Huber
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
> 
> ale-request at ale.org wrote:
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
> From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905 at worldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
> been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
> hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> -- Stephen R. Blevins srblevi at worldnet.att.net
> 
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> Donate them to a local tech school, like Devry or ITT Tech.  You can
> take a tax deduction on them, it benefits the students, *and* it becomes
> their problem on how to get rid of them.
> 
> A little monolithic biaveryicide.
> 
> 
> Enjoy,
>     - Chuck
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From allanneal at comcast.net  Tue Nov 28 15:21:46 2006
From: allanneal at comcast.net (Allan Neal)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:21:46 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <acb6c4410611280918n594aea3aoec31c5d703373746@mail.gmail.com>
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
	<acb6c4410611280918n594aea3aoec31c5d703373746@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061128202146.GA6824@tashina.allannealfam.org>

from the paulding county site:

The landfill does not accept Batteries, Tires, Gas Tanks, Oil, Paint, or
Computer Equipment (dried paint is accepted).

So Paulding County land fill does not accept computers.

That had me very interested for a moment as I live in Paulding.
Allan

On Tue, Nov 28, 2006 at 12:18:20PM -0500, Nick Travis wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/28/06, Stephen R. Blevins <srblevi at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> 
>     I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
>     been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
>     hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Not sure where you located but the Paulding county recycling center accepts
> computers.
> http://www.paulding.gov/living/recycle.asp
> 
> 
> Nick
>  
> 
> 

> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale

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From jjj863 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 15:27:42 2006
From: jjj863 at gmail.com (Jerry Yu)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:27:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] Qmail
In-Reply-To: <30309340611281138wf085d94r6058b8ea6c2cd65d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0611281122m68ad8690u77fbf177c7441e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<30309340611281138wf085d94r6058b8ea6c2cd65d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ffdf1bc0611281227y2810a5fwd9a191fa1f3b4a11@mail.gmail.com>

I use 'qmHandle', a perl util to handle such things.
Looking at the source, it seems a SIGALRM to qmail-send daemon process will
do the trick. Of course, this assume the qmail-send is aware of your
relocated queue dir. Otherwise you may need to temporarily move it back to
default location.

On 11/28/06, John C <jcouncilman at knology.net> wrote:
>
> Check out qmail.org for tools to do this.  The qmail queue structure is
> very delicate and shouldn't really be messed with.  Also, depending on
> whether you have the big-todo patch, you might have to do it differently.
>
> Try this...
>
> Eric Huss has released queue-fix 1.4<http://www.netmeridian.com/e-huss/queue-fix.tar.gz>.
> It repairs or generates a qmail queue structure. You can use this to help
> move your queue location, or if you regenerate the file system and the inode
> numbering changes. It will also fix permissions and ownerships of the files.
> Eric reports that Matthew Harrell wrote a patch to queue-fix<http://qmail.org/queue-fix-todo.patch>which makes it work with Russ Nelson's
> big-todo <http://qmail.org/top.html#big-todo> patch. Patches upon patches!
>
> Or this...
>
> http://pyropus.ca/software/queue-repair/
>
>
>
> As far as forcing it to send, you have to edit the "info" file for each
> message id within the directory.  If not, qmail will use its own algorithm
> to figure out when to try again.  The longer a message is in the queue, the
> less often qmail will try to re-send.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/28/06, Brandon Colbert <colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I had to rebuild the mail queue on a customer's server, and reinstall
> > qmail. Is there a way to get qmail to process the mail in that old queue. I
> > moved it to the location /var/qmail/queue.bak
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>
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From jcouncilman at knology.net  Tue Nov 28 15:42:21 2006
From: jcouncilman at knology.net (John C)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:42:21 -0500
Subject: [ale] Qmail
In-Reply-To: <4ffdf1bc0611281227y2810a5fwd9a191fa1f3b4a11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <736a7bae0611281122m68ad8690u77fbf177c7441e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<30309340611281138wf085d94r6058b8ea6c2cd65d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ffdf1bc0611281227y2810a5fwd9a191fa1f3b4a11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30309340611281242qc244ae5u9c2ed5cebef04bdb@mail.gmail.com>

Ahhh. Forgot about the ALRM signal.  That should work.

On 11/28/06, Jerry Yu <jjj863 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I use 'qmHandle', a perl util to handle such things.
> Looking at the source, it seems a SIGALRM to qmail-send daemon process
> will do the trick. Of course, this assume the qmail-send is aware of your
> relocated queue dir. Otherwise you may need to temporarily move it back to
> default location.
>
> On 11/28/06, John C <jcouncilman at knology.net> wrote:
> >
> > Check out qmail.org for tools to do this.  The qmail queue structure is
> > very delicate and shouldn't really be messed with.  Also, depending on
> > whether you have the big-todo patch, you might have to do it differently.
> >
> > Try this...
> >
> > Eric Huss has released queue-fix 1.4<http://www.netmeridian.com/e-huss/queue-fix.tar.gz>.
> > It repairs or generates a qmail queue structure. You can use this to help
> > move your queue location, or if you regenerate the file system and the inode
> > numbering changes. It will also fix permissions and ownerships of the files.
> > Eric reports that Matthew Harrell wrote a patch to queue-fix<http://qmail.org/queue-fix-todo.patch>which makes it work with Russ Nelson's
> > big-todo <http://qmail.org/top.html#big-todo> patch. Patches upon
> > patches!
> >
> > Or this...
> >
> > http://pyropus.ca/software/queue-repair/
> >
> >
> >
> > As far as forcing it to send, you have to edit the "info" file for each
> > message id within the directory.  If not, qmail will use its own algorithm
> > to figure out when to try again.  The longer a message is in the queue, the
> > less often qmail will try to re-send.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/28/06, Brandon Colbert < colbert.brandon at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I had to rebuild the mail queue on a customer's server, and reinstall
> > > qmail. Is there a way to get qmail to process the mail in that old queue. I
> > > moved it to the location /var/qmail/queue.bak
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 28 15:48:11 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:48:11 -0800
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <456C9E18.9080504@alexandertech.biz>
References: <456C9E18.9080504@alexandertech.biz>
Message-ID: <1164746891.5890.13.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 15:37 -0500, Ken Alexander wrote:
> Hi Chris. I responded to your message regarding CGI echo server. I am 
> not clear on what you are trying to accomplish. Can you explain how the 
> 'echo server' should work? I may be able to help.

It is a test to see if I can accomplish true bidirectional
communications via a CGI.  Bidirectional just like ssh or telnet.
I'm my exaple program it simply read what came in from STDIN and wrote
that to STDOUT.  If that program will pass and apache will allow that
program to work in that manner then I can work on the big project
of rewritting my proxy server for our application to be a simple CGI.

So the java client applet will simply connect to port 80 or 443 (SSL) of
apache and send "GET /whatever/proxy" and then it can jump into
its VT100 emulation code and the proxy can relay packets between our
remote device and the applet.

All echo does is just prove that the concept is viable _with_ apache.
Today I know it will work with thttpd and GoAhead.  I just use Apache on
our server and I need Apache to allow this to work in the manner I need
it to work.

I guess to sum it up I'm trying to use the initial HTTP transactioanl
like communications to setup and start a bidirectional session with a
CGI and a client.  In effect I kinda want Apache to work like inetd.

> 
> -KA



From wormfishin at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 16:39:29 2006
From: wormfishin at gmail.com (Nick Travis)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:39:29 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
In-Reply-To: <20061128202146.GA6824@tashina.allannealfam.org>
References: <456C6C67.4050905@worldnet.att.net>
	<acb6c4410611280918n594aea3aoec31c5d703373746@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061128202146.GA6824@tashina.allannealfam.org>
Message-ID: <acb6c4410611281339l66024146od7de87fd461876c3@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> The landfill does not accept Batteries, Tires, Gas Tanks, Oil, Paint, or
> Computer Equipment (dried paint is accepted).
>
> So Paulding County land fill does not accept computers.
>

The landfill does not, however the recyling center does.  It does not say it
on thier website, but I called yesterday and asked b/c I have my own
collection of old hardware to get rid of.  There is not a bin for it
outside, you have to take it into the building.  I think there might be 2
recyling sites, I'm talking about the one on Grants Chapel Road, which is
now in the Seven Hill subdivision.

Nick
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From meuon at geeklabs.com  Tue Nov 28 17:05:41 2006
From: meuon at geeklabs.com (Mike Harrison)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:05:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <1164746891.5890.13.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>

> It is a test to see if I can accomplish true bidirectional
> communications via a CGI.  Bidirectional just like ssh or telnet.

Not exactly... 

http/apache is not reading character by character.. 
normally. It reads line by line, ie: waiting for a \n
or <cr> before it parses a line at a time.

That being said, writing a perl/python/java/php/??
program that binds to port 80 (or any other port)
and does what you want... is trivial.
(ok, you may need readline libs to do character by character..)


And.. in the olden days.. you could run an echo server
that did just that... on port 7, or any other port.









From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Tue Nov 28 17:43:27 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:43:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
In-Reply-To: <015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>
	<010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com>
	<015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com>

Courtney,

Did you ever get it resolved.

If not, reading "man gpart" is worth your time.

And I think it has a -W arg to actually update the partition table in the MBR.

Having that should allow you to mount the drives etc, but the drive
itself will not be bootable.

If you want to boot off of the drive you have to install some boot
loader code into the MBR.  Personally I use grub  (via grub-install
IIRC).

Hope you got it working
Greg

On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get  :-)
>
> Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.
>
> But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary partitions,
> /, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.
>
> Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd be glad
> to
> forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.
>
> Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions before
> this
> implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of the
> former
> layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to look it
> over.
>
> I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using ext2fs.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Courtney
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
>
>
> > Courtney,
> >
> > I'm still unsure what your issue is.
> >
> > The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> > maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
> >
> > In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0, Head
> > 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.  The
> > first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.  With
> > most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive with
> > 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the start of
> > the first partition.
> >
> > Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> > number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table a
> > small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I think
> > "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the partition
> > table.
> >
> > If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> > like gpart can be used to recreate it.
> >
> > Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> > reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> > filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> > backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call it a
> > superblock at all.
> >
> > Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research your
> problem.
> > Greg
> >
> > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the
> superblock
> > > is seemingly gone.
> > >
> > > I'll try it.
> > >
> > > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to consider
> > > things that go round and round again  :-)
> > >
> > > Merry Christmas,
> > > Courtney
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Courtney,
> > > >
> > > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level not
> > > > the disk level.
> > > >
> > > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the first
> > > > primary partition on the disk.
> > > >
> > > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to choose
> from.
> > > >
> > > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want to
> > > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > > >
> > > > Hope that helps
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old
> outta
> > > whack
> > > > > disk.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I...
> > > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> > > > >
> > > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > > >
> > > > >        inodes 252416
> > > > >        blocks 504000
> > > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > > >
> > > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and
> this
> > > one's
> > > > > 0
> > > > >
> > > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5
> lines]
> > > ?
> > > > >
> > > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've
> assumed
> > > the
> > > > > superblock ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
> > > real/active
> > > > > disk calamities,
> > > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
> information
> > >  on
> > > > > use of this tool ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Courtney
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Freemyer
> > The Norcross Group
> > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>


-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 28 18:43:26 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:43:26 -0800
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 17:05 -0500, Mike Harrison wrote:
> That being said, writing a perl/python/java/php/??
> program that binds to port 80 (or any other port)
> and does what you want... is trivial.
> (ok, you may need readline libs to do character by character..) 

Problem is that it has to be port 80 and apache also uses that port.

What I'm trying to do is get around issues of firewalls that allow web
access via port 80 and 443 but limit all other outbound connections.




From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 28 18:47:50 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:47:50 -0800
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1164757670.6604.9.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 17:05 -0500, Mike Harrison wrote:
> http/apache is not reading character by character.. 
> normally. It reads line by line, ie: waiting for a \n
> or <cr> before it parses a line at a time. 

That is specific to Apache then.  Neither thttpd nor GoAhead does that.
Also Apache is parsing by looking for Content-type.

In order this to work I need to change the way Apache behaves in this
regard.  Its a good thing I have the source :)



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 28 20:36:42 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:36:42 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com><010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com><015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Greg,

Thank you for your followup.

No, I've done no more than scan the drive with gpart, which did apparently
and correctly find all the partitions, according to my previously recorded
data.

I was using LILO, so will that not be operable after restoring with gpart ?
If not, why not ?

If not, then is the solution to boot off another, mount the restored drive,
and run LILO from the restored drive, or what ?

Appreciatively,

Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> Courtney,
>
> Did you ever get it resolved.
>
> If not, reading "man gpart" is worth your time.
>
> And I think it has a -W arg to actually update the partition table in the
MBR.
>
> Having that should allow you to mount the drives etc, but the drive
> itself will not be bootable.
>
> If you want to boot off of the drive you have to install some boot
> loader code into the MBR.  Personally I use grub  (via grub-install
> IIRC).
>
> Hope you got it working
> Greg
>
> On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get
:-)
> >
> > Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.
> >
> > But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary
partitions,
> > /, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.
> >
> > Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd be
glad
> > to
> > forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.
> >
> > Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions
before
> > this
> > implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of the
> > former
> > layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to look
it
> > over.
> >
> > I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using
ext2fs.
> >
> > Cordially,
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> >
> >
> > > Courtney,
> > >
> > > I'm still unsure what your issue is.
> > >
> > > The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> > > maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
> > >
> > > In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0, Head
> > > 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.  The
> > > first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.  With
> > > most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive with
> > > 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the start of
> > > the first partition.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> > > number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table a
> > > small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I think
> > > "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the partition
> > > table.
> > >
> > > If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> > > like gpart can be used to recreate it.
> > >
> > > Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> > > reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> > > filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> > > backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call it a
> > > superblock at all.
> > >
> > > Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research your
> > problem.
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the
> > superblock
> > > > is seemingly gone.
> > > >
> > > > I'll try it.
> > > >
> > > > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to
consider
> > > > things that go round and round again  :-)
> > > >
> > > > Merry Christmas,
> > > > Courtney
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Courtney,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level
not
> > > > > the disk level.
> > > > >
> > > > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the
first
> > > > > primary partition on the disk.
> > > > >
> > > > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to
choose
> > from.
> > > > >
> > > > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want
to
> > > > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope that helps
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old
> > outta
> > > > whack
> > > > > > disk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I...
> > > > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > > > >
> > > > > >        inodes 252416
> > > > > >        blocks 504000
> > > > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and
> > this
> > > > one's
> > > > > > 0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5
> > lines]
> > > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've
> > assumed
> > > > the
> > > > > > superblock ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
> > > > real/active
> > > > > > disk calamities,
> > > > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
> > information
> > > >  on
> > > > > > use of this tool ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>



From dcorbin at machturtle.com  Tue Nov 28 21:09:15 2006
From: dcorbin at machturtle.com (David Corbin)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:09:15 -0500
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	<1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <200611282109.15551.dcorbin@machturtle.com>

On Tuesday 28 November 2006 18:43, cfowler wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 17:05 -0500, Mike Harrison wrote:
> > That being said, writing a perl/python/java/php/??
> > program that binds to port 80 (or any other port)
> > and does what you want... is trivial.
> > (ok, you may need readline libs to do character by character..)
>
> Problem is that it has to be port 80 and apache also uses that port.
>
> What I'm trying to do is get around issues of firewalls that allow web
> access via port 80 and 443 but limit all other outbound connections.
>

using a proxy?

In general, what you're trying to do sound very 'un-HTTP'.


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Tue Nov 28 21:48:16 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:48:16 -0800
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <200611282109.15551.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	<1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<200611282109.15551.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
Message-ID: <1164768496.5148.6.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 21:09 -0500, David Corbin wrote:
> In general, what you're trying to do sound very 'un-HTTP'.

You are right.  The only HTTP part is when we send
'GET /wherever/proxy.cgi'

The rest is old-fashioned bidirectional communications.

My theroy is that these KVM over IP vendors that I use saw that forcing
their applet to run over different ports other than 80 or 443 would
cause problems with firewall config.

Think about it.  You have a KVM -> IP device at a remote site behind
firewall.  You need to NAT port 80 on your firewall to that KVM device. 
To use the applet to communicate with with the KVM to take control of
the server you could use port 81.  You now have to nat 2 ports and one
is not standard.  It would just be easier to nat 1.  These devices do
that.  The web server runs on port 80 and the client runs on port 80
too.  How do they do that?  Magic?  

I think it is possible via 2 ways.

1.  pre-server
    Listen on port 80 and watch traffic.  See anything that
    starts out as XXXX send to the software that handles the 
    client piece.

2.  CGI.
    Client executes a 'GET /givemecontrol' and then
    the server fires off CGI that makes communication bidirectional.

With these small web servers designed for embedded devices I can do this
today with #2 above.  Apache does way too much processing on the stream
for me to do anything like this.

Would anyone on this list with a KVM over IP device raise their hands
and tell me what port the applet contacts the device to communicate on?

Chris




From nedj10 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 09:10:18 2006
From: nedj10 at gmail.com (nedj10 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:10:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
Message-ID: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>


last time i checked any 486 or above will run a linux kernal sounds like a perfectly feasible training platform for basic unix, C, perl, java etc etc etc for people just getting started.


People should be thankful for what they have.
Ned

-----Original Message-----

From:  "Jeff Lightner" <jlightner at water.com>
To: ale at ale.org
Subj:  Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
Date:  Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:52 pm
Size:  1K
To:  "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>

That reminds me of a few years back.  A co-worker took a sabbatical to
run a half-way house for refugees from the former Yugoslavia.  He was
trying to train them on computers and they had an old 486 running DOS
similarly old apps.  He wrote asking if our boss would donate a spare
keyboard because the one they had was flaky.  (Ultimately the VP of the
division got wind of it and donated some REAL computers to the half-way
house.)

What was amusing was another co-worker on hearing what this one had
imagined doing the interview for a job for one of these refugees:

"You're familiar with 486 and DOS.  We don't often get people with THOSE
qualifications."  

(You'll have to imagine the ironic tone he used to say that.)

-----Original Message-----
From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
To: ale at ale.org
Chuck Huber
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL

ale-request at ale.org wrote:

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905 at worldnet.att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.

-- Stephen R. Blevins srblevi at worldnet.att.net


Stephen,

Donate them to a local tech school, like Devry or ITT Tech.  You can
take a tax deduction on them, it benefits the students, *and* it becomes
their problem on how to get rid of them.

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From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 09:15:11 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:15:11 -0800
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 06:10 -0800, nedj10 at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> last time i checked any 486 or above will run a linux kernal sounds
> like a perfectly feasible training platform for basic unix, C, perl,
> java etc etc etc for people just getting started. 
The only question is what disti should be loaded.

I have a CD pack at home that I've kept for over 10 years.  Inside that
pack is various disit's.  Including that first one I got at the Cobb
computer show.  One of those might work fine.  Like Slack 3.0




From ale at gurlhax0r.org  Wed Nov 29 11:42:23 2006
From: ale at gurlhax0r.org (ale list)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:42:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>



cfowler wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 06:10 -0800, nedj10 at gmail.com wrote:
>> last time i checked any 486 or above will run a linux kernal sounds
>> like a perfectly feasible training platform for basic unix, C, perl,
>> java etc etc etc for people just getting started. 
> The only question is what disti should be loaded.
> 
> I have a CD pack at home that I've kept for over 10 years.  Inside that
> pack is various disit's.  Including that first one I got at the Cobb
> computer show.  One of those might work fine.  Like Slack 3.0

Latest Slack should work. (11.0)

--
Tina


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 11:51:50 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:51:50 -0800
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
Message-ID: <1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 11:42 -0500, ale list wrote:
> Latest Slack should work. (11.0)

It should but the machine only has 64mb of memory.  There is a lot of
cruft in later distributions.  Running a disiti with software desgined
to play nicely with a machine with low memory will be a nice machine. 

My point being that the machine is slow and has little memory.  Why not
run a disti that was created when those machines were in full force?
Why run a disit that was created when everyone has 3.0Ghz machines with
1GB or RAM?  On an older disiti everything is smaller.  Glib, X,
mozilla, gcc, etc.  You just probably can't compile the latest software.

But it is better than DOS. 




From ale at gurlhax0r.org  Wed Nov 29 12:02:23 2006
From: ale at gurlhax0r.org (ale list)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:02:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
	<1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <456DBD1F.1070202@gurlhax0r.org>



cfowler wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 11:42 -0500, ale list wrote:
>> Latest Slack should work. (11.0)
> 
> It should but the machine only has 64mb of memory.  There is a lot of
> cruft in later distributions.  Running a disiti with software desgined
> to play nicely with a machine with low memory will be a nice machine. 
> 
> My point being that the machine is slow and has little memory.  Why not
> run a disti that was created when those machines were in full force?
> Why run a disit that was created when everyone has 3.0Ghz machines with
> 1GB or RAM?  On an older disiti everything is smaller.  Glib, X,
> mozilla, gcc, etc.  You just probably can't compile the latest software.
> 
> But it is better than DOS.

 From the Slackware.com website:

Slackware Linux doesn't require an extremely powerful system to run 
(though having one is quite nice :). It will run on systems as far back 
as the 486. Below is a list of minimum system requirements needed to 
install and run Slackware.

     * 486 processor
     * 16MB RAM (32MB suggested)
     * 100-500 megabytes of hard disk space for a minimal and around 
3.5GB for full install
     * 3.5" floppy drive

Additional hardware may be needed if you want to run the X Window System 
at a usable speed or if you want network capabilities.

--
Tina


From hbbs at comcast.net  Wed Nov 29 11:29:01 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:29:01 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <456DB54D.50307@comcast.net>

Actually, 386 on. 

Practical issues with 386, 486, and Pentium Classic:

    * CMOS battery will almost certainly be dead or dying.  Some CMOS
      batteries were built into RTC modules that may be too much trouble
      or money to replace.  Different machines may react differently to
      having a dead or missing CMOS battery (dead ones should be removed
      lest they corrode through and ruin the motherboard); some can't boot.
    * Disk I/O is often more pathetic than the CPU.  This greatly
      impacts you if you're RAM-challenged and therefore need to become
      swap-dependent.  In such cases, you'll be *much* better off if you
      can put a swap partition on a different physical drive on a
      separate IDE controller.  I have used RAID 0 to speed up disk I/O
      on a junker. 
    * Disk drives are often quite small, leaving you with Slack or
      Debian as your best mainstream choices.  Gentoo is excellent on
      old hardware, but the Portage tree, kernel source tree, and
      associated baggage can easily eat up 2GB. 
    * About a third of Pentium Classic machines were built with buggy
      IDE controllers and in many of those machines, the buggy
      controllers weren't wired up correctly on the motherboard. 
      Windows <= ME had code that kept this from becoming a problem, but
      OSses with proper pre-emptive multitasking (NT and descendants,
      commercial Unixes and derived products like Banyan VINES, xBSD,
      Linux - Net) would have trouble in the form of random-seeming
      crashes and filesystem corruption.  The Linux kernel has config
      settings to enable workarounds for the buggy controllers (one is
      the RZ1000 and the other is the CMD640) but if the controllers are
      additionally hooked up on the motherboard wrong, you're still in a
      bad place even if you enable those workarounds.  For such
      machines, better to reserve them for diskless thin-client use or
      in those cases where you can avoid using it via off-board IDE or
      SCSI controllers.  It's probably safe to use these unsafe
      controllers for write-once-read-little-to-many parts of your tree,
      to include /boot, /usr/doc, etc.
    * Some PCs from this era - even big-cased high-dollar honkers - had
      really strange quirks.  I recall certain machines from Zeos and
      (straining to remember) Northridge (?) that were either dog-slow
      for their clock speed or would inexplicably appear to run at
      ~1/10th of their expected performance.
    * There is a "sweet spot" with i486 -  DX2/66 and DX4/100 with PCI
      bus especially - that were significantly better than P/60, P/66,
      P/75, P/90 and perhaps some P/100.   Large quantities of such
      machines were built for corporate/government use, mostly out of
      commodity parts.  I bought a few hundred of high-quality PCs like
      this with either IDE or SCSI on the motherboard back in my
      Department of Energy days - I think they had Asus mobos.

nedj10 at gmail.com wrote:
> last time i checked any 486 or above will run a linux kernal sounds like a perfectly feasible training platform for basic unix, C, perl, java etc etc etc for people just getting started.
>
>
> People should be thankful for what they have.
> Ned
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From:  "Jeff Lightner" <jlightner at water.com>
> Subj:  Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
> Date:  Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:52 pm
> Size:  1K
> To:  "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
>
> That reminds me of a few years back.  A co-worker took a sabbatical to
> run a half-way house for refugees from the former Yugoslavia.  He was
> trying to train them on computers and they had an old 486 running DOS
> similarly old apps.  He wrote asking if our boss would donate a spare
> keyboard because the one they had was flaky.  (Ultimately the VP of the
> division got wind of it and donated some REAL computers to the half-way
> house.)
>
> What was amusing was another co-worker on hearing what this one had
> imagined doing the interview for a job for one of these refugees:
>
> "You're familiar with 486 and DOS.  We don't often get people with THOSE
> qualifications."  
>
> (You'll have to imagine the ironic tone he used to say that.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> Chuck Huber
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
>
> ale-request at ale.org wrote:
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:05:43 -0500
> From: "Stephen R. Blevins" <srblevi at worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org>
> Message-ID: <456C6C67.4050905 at worldnet.att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I have a couple of working monitors and an *old* IBM PC (it's already
> been maxed out at 64MB).  Anybody know where I can get rid of them,
> hopefully for free?  Thanks in advance.
>
> -- Stephen R. Blevins srblevi at worldnet.att.net
>
>
> Stephen,
>
> Donate them to a local tech school, like Devry or ITT Tech.  You can
> take a tax deduction on them, it benefits the students, *and* it becomes
> their problem on how to get rid of them.
>
> --- message truncated ---
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
>
>   




From kaboom at oobleck.net  Wed Nov 29 12:17:31 2006
From: kaboom at oobleck.net (Chris Ricker)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:17:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <1164768496.5148.6.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	<1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<200611282109.15551.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<1164768496.5148.6.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611291208130.18602@urd.oobleck.net>

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, cfowler wrote:

> Would anyone on this list with a KVM over IP device raise their hands
> and tell me what port the applet contacts the device to communicate on?

Avocent stuff (which is what we use) varies depending on rev, but 
generally uses several ports. Current stuff is a connect on https, then 
java applets launch which use tcp 8192 and tcp 2068 for the web interface

And if you want to use their fat client software instead of the web 
interface, it's more like 8 or 10 port ranges you'd have to open

later,
chris


From hbbs at comcast.net  Wed Nov 29 12:21:38 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:21:38 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
	<1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <456DC1A2.2070205@comcast.net>


> It should but the machine only has 64mb of memory.  
Recapping and expounding quickly:

    * Swap on a separate IDE controller and drive
    * Use icewm, one of the 'boxes, etc. in lieu of Gnome or KDE

> There is a lot of
> cruft in later distributions.  Running a disiti with software desgined
> to play nicely with a machine with low memory will be a nice machine. 
>
> My point being that the machine is slow and has little memory.  Why not
> run a disti that was created when those machines were in full force?
>   
Because those distributions are ancient, apps like OpenOffice weren't
available, and it's unnecessary?
> Why run a disit that was created when everyone has 3.0Ghz machines with
> 1GB or RAM?  On an older disiti everything is smaller.  Glib, X,
> mozilla, gcc, etc.  You just probably can't compile the latest software.
>   
Not if you use a distribution that arrives with a fully working build
and packaging system.  Gentoo does not suffer from this cruft, aside
from the need to have a working build system, package system tree, and
kernel tree (the last two of which can be worked around through nfs
mounts, additional drives, or off-box building).  You also have the
option of recompiling everything with -Os.  You would certainly want to
compile a minimal kernel.

The way that RHEL, Fedora, Suse, Centos, etc. do things is not "The Way."

I've gotten boxes like these running current versions of kernel, X, and
apps to the best of their ability using Gentoo, and the software can be
kept current.


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 12:23:18 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:23:18 -0800
Subject: [ale] Apache/CGI
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611291208130.18602@urd.oobleck.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0611281700400.26298-100000@localhost.localdomain>
	<1164757406.6604.1.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<200611282109.15551.dcorbin@machturtle.com>
	<1164768496.5148.6.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0611291208130.18602@urd.oobleck.net>
Message-ID: <1164820999.5081.6.camel@cfowler-laptop>

The minicom and lanner is what I've tested with.  Both of those use the
same port 80 and 443 for the browser and the client.

I believe the Avocent is a bit more complex because there is a middle
man somewhere in the picture.  Could be a license server.  The minicom
and lanner max out at 4 users so there is no need to license by the
number of concurrent users.

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:17 -0500, Chris Ricker wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, cfowler wrote:
> 
> > Would anyone on this list with a KVM over IP device raise their hands
> > and tell me what port the applet contacts the device to communicate on?
> 
> Avocent stuff (which is what we use) varies depending on rev, but 
> generally uses several ports. Current stuff is a connect on https, then 
> java applets launch which use tcp 8192 and tcp 2068 for the web interface
> 
> And if you want to use their fat client software instead of the web 
> interface, it's more like 8 or 10 port ranges you'd have to open
> 
> later,
> chris
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 12:25:20 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:25:20 -0800
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <456DC1A2.2070205@comcast.net>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
	<1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<456DC1A2.2070205@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1164821120.5081.8.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:21 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
> The way that RHEL, Fedora, Suse, Centos, etc. do things is not "The
> Way."

Agreed.  At least not the way for that equipment.  You'll never get
*ubuntu to boot on that machine enough to install it.  

Slack or Gentoo may be the best suited for that machine. 



From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 12:20:46 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <456DBD1F.1070202@gurlhax0r.org>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>
	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>
	<1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>
	<456DBD1F.1070202@gurlhax0r.org>
Message-ID: <1164820846.5081.3.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:02 -0500, ale list wrote:
> Additional hardware may be needed if you want to run the X Window
> System 
> at a usable speed or if you want network capabilities. 

My point being that Slack 3.0 will run X at a great spead on that
machine.  And that machine will be fast due to the memory it has for
Slack 3.0.  





From hbbs at comcast.net  Wed Nov 29 12:39:57 2006
From: hbbs at comcast.net (Jeff Hubbs)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:39:57 -0500
Subject: [ale] EQUIPMENT DISPOSAL - OT
In-Reply-To: <1164821120.5081.8.camel@cfowler-laptop>
References: <456d94ca.48d658f8.6690.372f@mx.google.com>	<1164809711.5091.2.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DB86F.2080907@gurlhax0r.org>	<1164819110.5091.31.camel@cfowler-laptop>	<456DC1A2.2070205@comcast.net>
	<1164821120.5081.8.camel@cfowler-laptop>
Message-ID: <456DC5ED.7000403@comcast.net>

I checked on the current Gentoo situation.  You have to use a universal
(as opposed to minimal) LiveCD and you would do either a Stage 1 install
or a Stage 2/3 if you can find the correct Live CD for your 3/4/586. 
386 support now exists but may be dropped in the near future. 

cfowler wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 12:21 -0500, Jeff Hubbs wrote:
>   
>> The way that RHEL, Fedora, Suse, Centos, etc. do things is not "The
>> Way."
>>     
>
> Agreed.  At least not the way for that equipment.  You'll never get
> *ubuntu to boot on that machine enough to install it.  
>
> Slack or Gentoo may be the best suited for that machine. 
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>   



From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 15:31:19 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:31:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
In-Reply-To: <021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com>
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Courtney,

The easiest thing is just to test it.

I'm pretty sure all gpart touches is the partition table in the MBR.
(The below assumes your  old corrupted drive is /dev/hdc).

First save a copy of the MBR:
    dd if=/dev/hdc of=MBR-backup-file bs=512 count=1

Then have gpart recreate the partition table
    gpart -W /dev/hdc /dev/hdc

Then do a "fdisk -l /dev/hdc" and see if it looks right.

Then try to mount each of the partitions and see if they work.  I
normally do this read-only.

mount -r /dev/hdc1 /mnt
umount /mnt
etc.

Then finally try to boot off of it.  Normally Linux knows that the
drive was originally the Master drive on the first IDE channel, etc.
So before you try to boot off of it, be sure to set the Master / Slave
the way you think it was  and also put it on the correct IDE channel
for booting.  You may need to disconnect your current boot drive to
get things setup right.

If for some reason you have to restore the MBR, boot back to the way
you have things now and reverse the dd:

    dd if=MBR-backup-file of=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1

Hope that helps
Greg

On 11/28/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> Thank you for your followup.
>
> No, I've done no more than scan the drive with gpart, which did apparently
> and correctly find all the partitions, according to my previously recorded
> data.
>
> I was using LILO, so will that not be operable after restoring with gpart ?
> If not, why not ?
>
> If not, then is the solution to boot off another, mount the restored drive,
> and run LILO from the restored drive, or what ?
>
> Appreciatively,
>
> Courtney
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
>
>
> > Courtney,
> >
> > Did you ever get it resolved.
> >
> > If not, reading "man gpart" is worth your time.
> >
> > And I think it has a -W arg to actually update the partition table in the
> MBR.
> >
> > Having that should allow you to mount the drives etc, but the drive
> > itself will not be bootable.
> >
> > If you want to boot off of the drive you have to install some boot
> > loader code into the MBR.  Personally I use grub  (via grub-install
> > IIRC).
> >
> > Hope you got it working
> > Greg
> >
> > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get
> :-)
> > >
> > > Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.
> > >
> > > But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary
> partitions,
> > > /, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.
> > >
> > > Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd be
> glad
> > > to
> > > forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.
> > >
> > > Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions
> before
> > > this
> > > implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of the
> > > former
> > > layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to look
> it
> > > over.
> > >
> > > I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using
> ext2fs.
> > >
> > > Cordially,
> > >
> > > Courtney
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > >
> > >
> > > > Courtney,
> > > >
> > > > I'm still unsure what your issue is.
> > > >
> > > > The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> > > > maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
> > > >
> > > > In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0, Head
> > > > 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.  The
> > > > first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.  With
> > > > most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive with
> > > > 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the start of
> > > > the first partition.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> > > > number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table a
> > > > small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I think
> > > > "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the partition
> > > > table.
> > > >
> > > > If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> > > > like gpart can be used to recreate it.
> > > >
> > > > Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> > > > reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> > > > filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> > > > backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call it a
> > > > superblock at all.
> > > >
> > > > Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research your
> > > problem.
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that the
> > > superblock
> > > > > is seemingly gone.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll try it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to
> consider
> > > > > things that go round and round again  :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Merry Christmas,
> > > > > Courtney
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Courtney,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition level
> not
> > > > > > the disk level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit the
> first
> > > > > > primary partition on the disk.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to
> choose
> > > from.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may want
> to
> > > > > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope that helps
> > > > > > Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an old
> > > outta
> > > > > whack
> > > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I...
> > > > > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen, reporting....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > > > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > > > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >        inodes 252416
> > > > > > >        blocks 504000
> > > > > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > > > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > > > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a dir ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1 and
> > > this
> > > > > one's
> > > > > > > 0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of data [5
> > > lines]
> > > > > ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1, I've
> > > assumed
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > superblock ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run into
> > > > > real/active
> > > > > > > disk calamities,
> > > > > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
> > > information
> > > > >  on
> > > > > > > use of this tool ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > >
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> > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
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> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Greg Freemyer
> > The Norcross Group
> > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Wed Nov 29 17:37:32 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:37:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] Strange happenings,
 can't boot either CentOS or Fedora core 4 from either disk or CD.
Message-ID: <456E0BAC.2030700@fayettedigital.com>

This is a strange box anyway, I bought it from Monarch a while back,
just a case, memory and a mb/cpu.  It's a A7V600 model.  Initially it
didn't find either my 30 Gb hard drive or the ancient CDROM drive.  It
did find a 20 G and a 40 G, so I just swapped drive around and bought a
DVD writer for it.  I went out and bought a dual core Intel MB this
weekend, and took the A7V600 and put it in an older box replacing a 600
Mhz Celeron board.  It didn't like that CDROM either plus it wouldn't
boot FC4.  I figured I'd have to reinstall FC4 but couldn't because the
CD drive wasn't being found.  By the way, that was the BIOS that didn't
find it no matter what I did.  Same for the 30 G drive.

Anyway, I have both a FC4 and CentOS CD and neither of them boot.  It
gets to the boot: line, I hit enter and it loads linuz, initrd,  clears
the screen and ...  nothing.  Same as the disk image.  I tried adding
the acpi=off and debug to the boot line, but it didn't help.

This is a multiboot system.  It had two flavors of SuSE and maybe two of
Debian, but for sure one.  In all those systems it works fine, after I
corrected the strange drive mapping this system did for me. It also
boots Knoppix since that's how I fixed the menu.lst and fstabs before I
got the OSs working that I did.

Anyway does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks,
Jim.


From tejus at vijedi.net  Wed Nov 29 18:20:07 2006
From: tejus at vijedi.net (Tejus Parikh)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:20:07 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a3c3e8150611251833r16560814head193448df26763@mail.gmail.com>
	<1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
Message-ID: <20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>

Flash 9 is available for Linux in beta form, but I had all sorts of  
trouble with it and firefox so I've reverted back to 7.

The download link:
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html

Quoting Christopher Fowler <cfowler at outpostsentinel.com>:

> On Sat, 2006-11-25 at 21:33 -0500, Bj?rn Gustafsson wrote:
>> Looks like the answer is yes, at least in principle:
>>
>> http://flashforever.blogspot.com/2005/11/flash-telnet-client-with-flash-player.html
>
> That looks good.  Is Flash 9 available for Linux yet?
>>
>> Don't know about existing ssh clients in flash, but there are Java
>> applets that can ssh:
>>
>> http://www.oit.duke.edu/sa/security/ssh.html
>
> I've got one like that in use.  I have problems with java so I've been
> thinking about redeploying a client application in Flash.
>
> Another problem I have is with firewalls.  We have a J2EE application
> that runs on Linux.  We have a Java applet that communicates with a
> proxy agent on port 4000 of the server.  It is basically a terminal
> emulator in VT100 that communicates via the proxy to deployed devices.
> I would like the ability for it to use the same port as the Apache web
> server.  I've seen similar capabilities on IP KVM devices where the java
> applet that is the client communicates on port 80 or 443 just like the
> web browser.  It is in real time just like VNC.  Is there a module for
> this in Apache?  I would still need to implement the proxy code
> somewhere but the benefit of communicating on the same port as the web
> server would get me around these firewall issues.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 29 18:40:43 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:40:43 -0500
Subject: [ale] Strange happenings,
	can't boot either CentOS or Fedora core 4 from either disk or CD.
In-Reply-To: <456E0BAC.2030700@fayettedigital.com>
References: <456E0BAC.2030700@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611291540r4f332a4et936f6d2503380987@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/29/06, Jim <ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
> Anyway, I have both a FC4 and CentOS CD and neither of them boot.  It
> gets to the boot: line, I hit enter and it loads linuz, initrd,  clears
> the screen and ...  nothing.  Same as the disk image.  I tried adding
> the acpi=off and debug to the boot line, but it didn't help.

<snip>

> Anyway does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim.

Jim,

Most of the time I've had boot CD issues it has been a problem with
the video.  Specifically I've had several flat-screen monitors (LCD)
not work.  I've found if I just put a CRT on it, then I can get things
to work a lot easier.

Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From jimpop at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 29 19:15:19 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:15:19 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<a3c3e8150611251833r16560814head193448df26763@mail.gmail.com>
	<1164511018.13007.20.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>
Message-ID: <1164845719.16643.1.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 18:20 -0500, Tejus Parikh wrote:
> Flash 9 is available for Linux in beta form, but I had all sorts of  
> trouble with it and firefox so I've reverted back to 7

I've been using the Beta for a while now, what sorts of probs did you
have?

-Jim P.




From briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 29 20:03:18 2006
From: briarpatchkid at bellsouth.net (Jim Philips)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:03:18 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <1164845719.16643.1.camel@localhost>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>
	<1164845719.16643.1.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200611292003.18304.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>

On Wednesday 29 November 2006 19:15, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 18:20 -0500, Tejus Parikh wrote:
> > Flash 9 is available for Linux in beta form, but I had all sorts of
> > trouble with it and firefox so I've reverted back to 7
>
> I've been using the Beta for a while now, what sorts of probs did you
> have?
>
> -Jim P.

>From time to time, when I'm browsing a page with Flash, Firefox starts to 

consume 95% of CPU. It never did that before I installed Flash 9.


From cfowler at outpostsentinel.com  Wed Nov 29 20:38:55 2006
From: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com (cfowler)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:38:55 -0800
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <200611292003.18304.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>
	<1164845719.16643.1.camel@localhost>
	<200611292003.18304.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1164850735.5116.3.camel@cfowler-laptop>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 20:03 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> consume 95% of CPU. It never did that before I installed Flash 9.

One thing I noticed is that more and more banner ads are going Flash.  I
first noticed this when I installed Flash block FireFox plugin.  Now all
flash is blocked and I have the option of running any Flash I want.  A
little button is shown in place of the original Flash.  All I do is
click the button and it will allow that piece of Flash to run.




From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 00:32:32 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:32:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] OT: Flash + SSH
In-Reply-To: <200611292003.18304.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
References: <1164503613.13007.15.camel@shuttle.linxdev.com>
	<20061129182007.z9wpe0d2two0okck@vijedi.net>
	<1164845719.16643.1.camel@localhost>
	<200611292003.18304.briarpatchkid@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <1164864752.27888.18.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2006-11-29 at 20:03 -0500, Jim Philips wrote:
> From time to time, when I'm browsing a page with Flash, Firefox starts to 
> consume 95% of CPU. It never did that before I installed Flash 9.

Interesting.  I don't have that issue.  Have you tried deleting
~.macromedia to see if it has to do with some old cached files?  The
only reason I suggest that is because I didn't upgrade flash, I actually
re-installed the OS (Dapper -> Edgy) and then installed the flash 9
beta.

-Jim P.



From ale at sixit.com  Thu Nov 30 00:39:47 2006
From: ale at sixit.com (Robert Reese)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 00:39:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Ubuntu 6.10 install
In-Reply-To: <45648167.8050505@bellsouth.net>
References: <59C1B016-B356-4804-8569-48F125332566@speedfactory.net>
	<45644159.1010900@bellsouth.net> <1164208738.24901.30.camel@pepper>
	<B55045B6-BE14-4EF8-B5AB-D76C19C08787@speedfactory.net>
	<1164213996.5224.12.camel@localhost>
	<45648167.8050505@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <200611300039470859.008C864D@smtpout.secureserver.net>

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
On 11/22/2006 at 11:57 AM Dan Lambert wrote:

>I installed 6.10 on a 450 MHz machine with 128MB of RAM a month or so 
>ago. It was for a friend of my son's, who is in college and poor. He 
>can't afford a better computer right now, and he couldn't get Windows 
>2000 Pro to load.

I know this is old and off-topic, but that configuration is fine for W2K.  Sounds like he had hardware issues or possibly a boot sector virus.

Cheers,
R~

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   * Microsoft is NOT a standard. *
------------------------------------------------------



From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Thu Nov 30 06:44:45 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:44:45 -0500
Subject: [ale] Strange happenings,
 can't boot either CentOS or Fedora core 4 from either disk or CD.
In-Reply-To: <87f94c370611291540r4f332a4et936f6d2503380987@mail.gmail.com>
References: <456E0BAC.2030700@fayettedigital.com>
	<87f94c370611291540r4f332a4et936f6d2503380987@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <456EC42D.6080706@fayettedigital.com>

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> On 11/29/06, Jim <ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>   
>> Anyway, I have both a FC4 and CentOS CD and neither of them boot.  It
>> gets to the boot: line, I hit enter and it loads linuz, initrd,  clears
>> the screen and ...  nothing.  Same as the disk image.  I tried adding
>> the acpi=off and debug to the boot line, but it didn't help.
>>     
>
> <snip>
>
>   
>> Anyway does anyone have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim.
>>     
>
> Jim,
>
> Most of the time I've had boot CD issues it has been a problem with
> the video.  Specifically I've had several flat-screen monitors (LCD)
> not work.  I've found if I just put a CRT on it, then I can get things
> to work a lot easier.
>
> Greg
>   
This is a CRT.  I see the underline cursor blinking in the top left so I
think the video system is working still.

Thanks,
Jim.


From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Thu Nov 30 08:27:21 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:27:21 -0500
Subject: [ale] Strange happenings,
 can't boot either CentOS or Fedora core 4 from either disk or CD.
In-Reply-To: <456EC42D.6080706@fayettedigital.com>
References: <456E0BAC.2030700@fayettedigital.com>	<87f94c370611291540r4f332a4et936f6d2503380987@mail.gmail.com>
	<456EC42D.6080706@fayettedigital.com>
Message-ID: <456EDC39.1000801@fayettedigital.com>

I just realized, the new system is a 64 bit system.  Do Red Hat 32 bit
distros have problems running on AMD 64 bit processors?


From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 10:40:33 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:40:33 -0500
Subject: [ale] More weird sudoku math madness
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611300740p110144e8g7c49689e2047a73c@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, now I can add a pair of sudoku (
http://tomshiro.org/cgi-bin/sudoku/addSudokuFromWeb.py )  Coded this up
while dodging relatives over Thanksgiving. NB the
'What does this Mean?' link in the form.

Alas, I still have the same hideous UI -- I reckon I'll tackle that next
Holiday season.

-- CHS
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From drifter at oppositelock.org  Thu Nov 30 11:20:44 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:20:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] memory [slightly OT]
Message-ID: <200611301120.53660.drifter@oppositelock.org>

Got a new HP color laser printer. Plays fairly well with Linux (FC3).
Comes with 64mgb of memory and has a single expansion slot for more
memory -- max additional is 128 mgb.
What it needs is the now out-of-date DIMM memory, the kind that latches
onto the mobo.

I tried Fry's; no luck.

Anyone have any clue where I can find a 128 mgb stick locally?

Sean

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From hooterpincher at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 11:42:12 2006
From: hooterpincher at gmail.com (Charles Shapiro)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:42:12 -0500
Subject: [ale] memory [slightly OT]
In-Reply-To: <200611301120.53660.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <200611301120.53660.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <4a89f25f0611300842q56f5d3eao7cec37fb5d4f7ae9@mail.gmail.com>

You might want to phone up the folks at MicroSeconds (
http://www.microseconds.net/ ).  They often have stuff like that, and their
store is right on Roswell Road near I-285.

-- CHS


On 11/30/06, Sean Kilpatrick <drifter at oppositelock.org> wrote:
>
> Got a new HP color laser printer. Plays fairly well with Linux (FC3).
> Comes with 64mgb of memory and has a single expansion slot for more
> memory -- max additional is 128 mgb.
> What it needs is the now out-of-date DIMM memory, the kind that latches
> onto the mobo.
>
> I tried Fry's; no luck.
>
> Anyone have any clue where I can find a 128 mgb stick locally?
>
> Sean
>
>
>
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From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:09:49 -0500
Subject: [ale] memory [slightly OT]
In-Reply-To: <4a89f25f0611300842q56f5d3eao7cec37fb5d4f7ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200611301120.53660.drifter@oppositelock.org>
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Message-ID: <200611301209.56758.drifter@oppositelock.org>

On Thursday 30 November 2006 11:42, Charles Shapiro wrote:
| You might want to phone up the folks at MicroSeconds (
| http://www.microseconds.net/ ). ?They often have stuff like that, and 
their
| store is right on Roswell Road near I-285.
| 
| -- CHS


Charles,
Thanks for the tip.  

Sean

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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 12:26:16 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:26:16 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com><010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com><015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com><021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611291231p7e097b6bu6d182a9f405f898f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <026101c714a4$a4b50fb0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Greg,

I checked the log file after the scan and gpart seems to have guessed
correctly
the now defunct partitions.

However, I don't know enough to surmise if the EXTENDED partition is
properly found,
i.e. it guessed it as a DOS partition, though extended. Are all extended
partitions in ext2
filesystems found to be DOS by gpart ?

The sizes and C/H/S numbers look OK.

I'm ready to write it but don't want to do so until I verify that the
extended should've been
seen by gpart as DOS.

Gratefully,

Courtney


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> Courtney,
>
> The easiest thing is just to test it.
>
> I'm pretty sure all gpart touches is the partition table in the MBR.
> (The below assumes your  old corrupted drive is /dev/hdc).
>
> First save a copy of the MBR:
>     dd if=/dev/hdc of=MBR-backup-file bs=512 count=1
>
> Then have gpart recreate the partition table
>     gpart -W /dev/hdc /dev/hdc
>
> Then do a "fdisk -l /dev/hdc" and see if it looks right.
>
> Then try to mount each of the partitions and see if they work.  I
> normally do this read-only.
>
> mount -r /dev/hdc1 /mnt
> umount /mnt
> etc.
>
> Then finally try to boot off of it.  Normally Linux knows that the
> drive was originally the Master drive on the first IDE channel, etc.
> So before you try to boot off of it, be sure to set the Master / Slave
> the way you think it was  and also put it on the correct IDE channel
> for booting.  You may need to disconnect your current boot drive to
> get things setup right.
>
> If for some reason you have to restore the MBR, boot back to the way
> you have things now and reverse the dd:
>
>     dd if=MBR-backup-file of=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1
>
> Hope that helps
> Greg
>
> On 11/28/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > Thank you for your followup.
> >
> > No, I've done no more than scan the drive with gpart, which did
apparently
> > and correctly find all the partitions, according to my previously
recorded
> > data.
> >
> > I was using LILO, so will that not be operable after restoring with
gpart ?
> > If not, why not ?
> >
> > If not, then is the solution to boot off another, mount the restored
drive,
> > and run LILO from the restored drive, or what ?
> >
> > Appreciatively,
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> >
> >
> > > Courtney,
> > >
> > > Did you ever get it resolved.
> > >
> > > If not, reading "man gpart" is worth your time.
> > >
> > > And I think it has a -W arg to actually update the partition table in
the
> > MBR.
> > >
> > > Having that should allow you to mount the drives etc, but the drive
> > > itself will not be bootable.
> > >
> > > If you want to boot off of the drive you have to install some boot
> > > loader code into the MBR.  Personally I use grub  (via grub-install
> > > IIRC).
> > >
> > > Hope you got it working
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > Greg,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get
> > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.
> > > >
> > > > But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary
> > partitions,
> > > > /, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd
be
> > glad
> > > > to
> > > > forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.
> > > >
> > > > Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions
> > before
> > > > this
> > > > implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of
the
> > > > former
> > > > layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to
look
> > it
> > > > over.
> > > >
> > > > I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using
> > ext2fs.
> > > >
> > > > Cordially,
> > > >
> > > > Courtney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Courtney,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still unsure what your issue is.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> > > > > maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0,
Head
> > > > > 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.
The
> > > > > first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.
With
> > > > > most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive
with
> > > > > 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the
start of
> > > > > the first partition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> > > > > number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table
a
> > > > > small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I
think
> > > > > "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the
partition
> > > > > table.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> > > > > like gpart can be used to recreate it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> > > > > reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> > > > > filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> > > > > backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call
it a
> > > > > superblock at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research
your
> > > > problem.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that
the
> > > > superblock
> > > > > > is seemingly gone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll try it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to
> > consider
> > > > > > things that go round and round again  :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas,
> > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Courtney,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition
level
> > not
> > > > > > > the disk level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit
the
> > first
> > > > > > > primary partition on the disk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to
> > choose
> > > > from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may
want
> > to
> > > > > > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope that helps
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an
old
> > > > outta
> > > > > > whack
> > > > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I...
> > > > > > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > > > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen,
reporting....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > > > > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > > > > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >        inodes 252416
> > > > > > > >        blocks 504000
> > > > > > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > > > > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > > > > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a
dir ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1
and
> > > > this
> > > > > > one's
> > > > > > > > 0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of
data [5
> > > > lines]
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1,
I've
> > > > assumed
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > superblock ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run
into
> > > > > > real/active
> > > > > > > > disk calamities,
> > > > > > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
> > > > information
> > > > > >  on
> > > > > > > > use of this tool ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com  Thu Nov 30 13:31:28 2006
From: ale_nospam at fayettedigital.com (Jim)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:31:28 -0500
Subject: [ale] Getting lvm messages "No volume found" on an xen kernel.
Message-ID: <456F2380.5090404@fayettedigital.com>

But they are there.  When I boot a stock CentOS 4.3 kernel, it finds
them fine.  It appears all the modules loaded OK.  This is a 2.6.16
kernel.  Is there something you can do in a kernel build to limit the
devices that lvm looks at?  I know you can do it in the config file, but
the root is an lvm volume so it's not reading the config file yet.

Another strange question.  I decided to try to bypass that error by
setting the root=/dev/hda2 which is a suse 9.3 root, just for kicks.  No
where in the selected grub boot section do I mention lvm volumes however
it still says it can't find VolGroup00.  How in the heck does he know to
look for it?  It's in partition 5 of hda, so it shouldn't be hard to find.

Thanks,
Jim.


From egorra at attglobal.net  Thu Nov 30 15:00:00 2006
From: egorra at attglobal.net (Roger Hammons)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:00:00 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
Message-ID: <456F3840.2261B8CA@attglobal.net>

I recently bought a Fry's Linspire computer.

I'm having trouble with the browser and my internet connection.  

I'm sure I'm connected (debug window confirms connect, kppp 
window shows connection and activity, ps shows kppp running) 
but the browser can't open any locations - it's like it doesn't 
recognize there's a connection.

Also, is there a way to automatically launch the browser on 
connection?

Roger Hammons



From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 14:52:26 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:52:26 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <456F3840.2261B8CA@attglobal.net>
References: <456F3840.2261B8CA@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1164916346.17441.1.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:00 -0500, Roger Hammons wrote:
> I recently bought a Fry's Linspire computer.
> 
> I'm having trouble with the browser and my internet connection.  
> 
> I'm sure I'm connected (debug window confirms connect, kppp 
> window shows connection and activity, ps shows kppp running) 
> but the browser can't open any locations - it's like it doesn't 
> recognize there's a connection.

Could it be a DNS issue?   Try pinging www.yahoo.com to check both DNS
and connectivity.

hth,

-Jim P.



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 14:57:44 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:57:44 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com><010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com><015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com><021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611291231p7e097b6bu6d182a9f405f898f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029701c714b9$cd23f6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Greg,

I went ahead and recreated the partition table and all seems OK, will mount,
etc......

BUT, when I attempt to bootup, I get:

        Verifying DMI Pool Data..............

and it never boots.

What's wrong and how is it cured  ?

Thanks once more,

Courtney



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> Courtney,
>
> The easiest thing is just to test it.
>
> I'm pretty sure all gpart touches is the partition table in the MBR.
> (The below assumes your  old corrupted drive is /dev/hdc).
>
> First save a copy of the MBR:
>     dd if=/dev/hdc of=MBR-backup-file bs=512 count=1
>
> Then have gpart recreate the partition table
>     gpart -W /dev/hdc /dev/hdc
>
> Then do a "fdisk -l /dev/hdc" and see if it looks right.
>
> Then try to mount each of the partitions and see if they work.  I
> normally do this read-only.
>
> mount -r /dev/hdc1 /mnt
> umount /mnt
> etc.
>
> Then finally try to boot off of it.  Normally Linux knows that the
> drive was originally the Master drive on the first IDE channel, etc.
> So before you try to boot off of it, be sure to set the Master / Slave
> the way you think it was  and also put it on the correct IDE channel
> for booting.  You may need to disconnect your current boot drive to
> get things setup right.
>
> If for some reason you have to restore the MBR, boot back to the way
> you have things now and reverse the dd:
>
>     dd if=MBR-backup-file of=/dev/hdc bs=512 count=1
>
> Hope that helps
> Greg
>
> On 11/28/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > Thank you for your followup.
> >
> > No, I've done no more than scan the drive with gpart, which did
apparently
> > and correctly find all the partitions, according to my previously
recorded
> > data.
> >
> > I was using LILO, so will that not be operable after restoring with
gpart ?
> > If not, why not ?
> >
> > If not, then is the solution to boot off another, mount the restored
drive,
> > and run LILO from the restored drive, or what ?
> >
> > Appreciatively,
> >
> > Courtney
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> >
> >
> > > Courtney,
> > >
> > > Did you ever get it resolved.
> > >
> > > If not, reading "man gpart" is worth your time.
> > >
> > > And I think it has a -W arg to actually update the partition table in
the
> > MBR.
> > >
> > > Having that should allow you to mount the drives etc, but the drive
> > > itself will not be bootable.
> > >
> > > If you want to boot off of the drive you have to install some boot
> > > loader code into the MBR.  Personally I use grub  (via grub-install
> > > IIRC).
> > >
> > > Hope you got it working
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > Greg,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the edifying commentary. I need all the help I can get
> > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Based on your description, I have no MBR, apparently.
> > > >
> > > > But, based on a gpart scan, it has seemingly found the 3 primary
> > partitions,
> > > > /, /boot & /var; plus the swap segment.
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, if it would be helpful in deciphering my comments, I'd
be
> > glad
> > > > to
> > > > forward the gpart scan file as an attachment.
> > > >
> > > > Fortunately, I do have the exact begin/end sizes for all partitions
> > before
> > > > this
> > > > implosion, so I do have a numerically clear and accurate picture of
the
> > > > former
> > > > layout, which I'd also be pleased to relay should you be willing to
look
> > it
> > > > over.
> > > >
> > > > I may not have mentioned that the disk has Debian installed, using
> > ext2fs.
> > > >
> > > > Cordially,
> > > >
> > > > Courtney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Courtney,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still unsure what your issue is.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Master Boot Record (MBR) (I think thats the right name) is
> > > > > maintained in sector 0 of the entire drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the old Cylinder/Head/Sector addressing scheme it was Cyl 0,
Head
> > > > > 0, Sector 0.  In modern LBA terminology it is simply sector 0.
The
> > > > > first partition traditionally starts at Cyl 0, Head 1, Sector 0.
With
> > > > > most modern disks the internal drive electronics emulate a drive
with
> > > > > 63 sectors per head, so that works out to Sector 63 being the
start of
> > > > > the first partition.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I believe there is only one MBR per disk regardless of the
> > > > > number of sectors.  With a standard Intel/Windows partition table
a
> > > > > small part of the MBR is used to hold the partition table.  I
think
> > > > > "man gpart" will tell you which bytes specifically hold the
partition
> > > > > table.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the partition table within the MBR becomes corrupt, then a tool
> > > > > like gpart can be used to recreate it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then for each filesystem there is a superblock.  The superblocks
> > > > > reside within the partitions but the structure and layout is
> > > > > filesystem dependent.  Some filesystems like XFS even maintain a
> > > > > backup copy of the superblock.  Others like FAT32/NTFS don't call
it a
> > > > > superblock at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope the helps with terminology as you read about and research
your
> > > > problem.
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/26/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks Greg, that's exactly, apparently, what I need, in that
the
> > > > superblock
> > > > > > is seemingly gone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll try it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sure will be glad when flashdisks are cheap and I never need to
> > consider
> > > > > > things that go round and round again  :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Merry Christmas,
> > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Courtney,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never used LDE, but I suspect it works at the partition
level
> > not
> > > > > > > the disk level.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If that is the case you need to try "lde /dev/hda1" to edit
the
> > first
> > > > > > > primary partition on the disk.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "fdisk -l /dev/hda" will tell you what partitions you have to
> > choose
> > > > from.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If for some reason your partition table is destroyed, you may
want
> > to
> > > > > > > look into gpart as a tool to recreate the partition table.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope that helps
> > > > > > > Greg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/25/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > I'm tryin' to learn to use LDE and am experimenting with an
old
> > > > outta
> > > > > > whack
> > > > > > > > disk.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I...
> > > > > > > >    lde /dev/hda
> > > > > > > > the first screen comes up with an error screen,
reporting....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >    root inode is not a dir
> > > > > > > >    first block  (0) != normal first blk (1)
> > > > > > > >    found ext2fs on device
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >        inodes 252416
> > > > > > > >        blocks 504000
> > > > > > > >        firstdatazone 0 (N=1)
> > > > > > > >        zonesize 4096
> > > > > > > >        max size 1074791436
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1-since root inode is not a dir, how do I convert it to a
dir ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2-what is the significance of the normal first block being 1
and
> > > > this
> > > > > > one's
> > > > > > > > 0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 3-what do you make of the numbers in the second block of
data [5
> > > > lines]
> > > > > > ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 4-by root inode, does LDE mean the superblock or block 1,
I've
> > > > assumed
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > superblock ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope that if I can resuscitate this disk, then when I run
into
> > > > > > real/active
> > > > > > > > disk calamities,
> > > > > > > > that I might be able to recover. Any suggestions for further
> > > > information
> > > > > >  on
> > > > > > > > use of this tool ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > > > > Courtney
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Greg Freemyer
> > > > > The Norcross Group
> > > > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > Ale at ale.org
> > > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Greg Freemyer
> > > The Norcross Group
> > > Forensics for the 21st Century
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > Ale at ale.org
> > > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ale mailing list
> > Ale at ale.org
> > http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From greg.freemyer at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 16:11:40 2006
From: greg.freemyer at gmail.com (Greg Freemyer)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:11:40 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
In-Reply-To: <029701c714b9$cd23f6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com>
	<010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com>
	<015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611291231p7e097b6bu6d182a9f405f898f@mail.gmail.com>
	<029701c714b9$cd23f6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <87f94c370611301311y1adb3e54u3f3248558fc5c5cd@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/30/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I went ahead and recreated the partition table and all seems OK, will mount,
> etc......
>
> BUT, when I attempt to bootup, I get:
>
>         Verifying DMI Pool Data..............
>
> and it never boots.
>
> What's wrong and how is it cured  ?
>
> Thanks once more,
>
> Courtney

Courtney,

Are you still just doing this as a learning experience or are you in a
hurry.  If I was in a hurry, I would not bother trying to get that
drive to boot, I would do a fresh install to a new drive, mount the
old partitions and copy files/data from old to new.

If you do want to keep troubleshooting I will let someone else step
in, but you probably need to start a new thread and describe the boot
loader (lilo?) and the distro etc.

Specifically, boot issues vary pretty broadly between different
distros.  That is definitely a part of the process that is not yet
fully standardized.

Greg
-- 
Greg Freemyer
The Norcross Group
Forensics for the 21st Century


From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 16:19:50 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:19:50 -0500
Subject: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]
References: <00bc01c710c4$033f1a10$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611251640p1bdeba38hc391a8352ed96227@mail.gmail.com><010301c7116b$7557a700$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611261140ia8f160fk2a223ed06529007b@mail.gmail.com><015101c711ae$c42f89e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611281443w74aba095g2c3415fdf6e4ec0d@mail.gmail.com><021701c71356$d2da3720$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><87f94c370611291231p7e097b6bu6d182a9f405f898f@mail.gmail.com><029701c714b9$cd23f6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<87f94c370611301311y1adb3e54u3f3248558fc5c5cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301c714c5$4573ac70$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Thanks for all the help.
I'll do as you suggest.
Cordially,
Courtney
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Freemyer" <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>
To: ale at ale.org
To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <ale at ale.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] help with LDE [linux disk editor]


> On 11/30/06, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Greg,
> >
> > I went ahead and recreated the partition table and all seems OK, will
mount,
> > etc......
> >
> > BUT, when I attempt to bootup, I get:
> >
> >         Verifying DMI Pool Data..............
> >
> > and it never boots.
> >
> > What's wrong and how is it cured  ?
> >
> > Thanks once more,
> >
> > Courtney
>
> Courtney,
>
> Are you still just doing this as a learning experience or are you in a
> hurry.  If I was in a hurry, I would not bother trying to get that
> drive to boot, I would do a fresh install to a new drive, mount the
> old partitions and copy files/data from old to new.
>
> If you do want to keep troubleshooting I will let someone else step
> in, but you probably need to start a new thread and describe the boot
> loader (lilo?) and the distro etc.
>
> Specifically, boot issues vary pretty broadly between different
> distros.  That is definitely a part of the process that is not yet
> fully standardized.
>
> Greg
> -- 
> Greg Freemyer
> The Norcross Group
> Forensics for the 21st Century
> _______________________________________________
> Ale mailing list
> Ale at ale.org
> http://www.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 16:21:32 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:21:32 -0500
Subject: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin'  ?
Message-ID: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Running Debian 2.6.x, when I attempt to boot, the above is what happens.

How do I cure this, please ?

Thanks,

Courtney


From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Thu Nov 30 17:03:59 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:03:59 -0500
Subject: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin'  ?
In-Reply-To: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
References: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30a751b83b9aca00a9bb0914.30a78c6e@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Hardware misconfiguration or failure is the normal cause for a freeze after
that message. I haven't been closely following your saga, but your computer
probably stops here because it can't find anything to boot. It's my
understanding that you used gpart to recreate your partition table and can now
mount the disk. Did you install a bootloader? Here is what it would look like
if GRUB was installed

[brian at localhost ~]$ sudo dd bs=446 count=1 if=/dev/hda | xxd
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
446 bytes (446 B) copied, 0.000332417 seconds, 1.3 MB/s
0000000: eb48 90d0 bc00 7cfb 5007 501f fcbe 1b7c  .H....|.P.P....|
0000010: bf1b 0650 57b9 e501 f3a4 cbbd be07 b104  ...PW...........
0000020: 386e 007c 0975 1383 c510 e2f4 cd18 8bf5  8n.|.u..........
0000030: 83c6 1049 7419 382c 74f6 a0b5 07b4 0302  ...It.8,t.......
0000040: 8000 0080 4194 0000 0008 fa90 90f6 c280  ....A...........
0000050: 7502 b280 ea59 7c00 0031 c08e d88e d0bc  u....Y|..1......
0000060: 0020 fba0 407c 3cff 7402 88c2 52be 7f7d  . ..@|<.t...R..}
0000070: e834 01f6 c280 7454 b441 bbaa 55cd 135a  .4....tT.A..U..Z
0000080: 5272 4981 fb55 aa75 43a0 417c 84c0 7505  RrI..U.uC.A|..u.
0000090: 83e1 0174 3766 8b4c 10be 057c c644 ff01  ...t7f.L...|.D..
00000a0: 668b 1e44 7cc7 0410 00c7 4402 0100 6689  f..D|.....D...f.
00000b0: 5c08 c744 0600 7066 31c0 8944 0466 8944  \..D..pf1..D.f.D
00000c0: 0cb4 42cd 1372 05bb 0070 eb7d b408 cd13  ..B..r...p.}....
00000d0: 730a f6c2 800f 84ea 00e9 8d00 be05 7cc6  s.............|.
00000e0: 44ff 0066 31c0 88f0 4066 8944 0431 d288  D..f1... at f.D.1..
00000f0: cac1 e202 88e8 88f4 4089 4408 31c0 88d0  ........ at .D.1...
0000100: c0e8 0266 8904 66a1 447c 6631 d266 f734  ...f..f.D|f1.f.4
0000110: 8854 0a66 31d2 66f7 7404 8854 0b89 440c  .T.f1.f.t..T..D.
0000120: 3b44 087d 3c8a 540d c0e2 068a 4c0a fec1  ;D.}<.T.....L...
0000130: 08d1 8a6c 0c5a 8a74 0bbb 0070 8ec3 31db  ...l.Z.t...p..1.
0000140: b801 02cd 1372 2a8c c38e 0648 7c60 1eb9  .....r*....H|`..
0000150: 0001 8edb 31f6 31ff fcf3 a51f 61ff 2642  ....1.1.....a.&B
0000160: 7cbe 857d e840 00eb 0ebe 8a7d e838 00eb  |..}. at .....}.8..
0000170: 06be 947d e830 00be 997d e82a 00eb fe47  ...}.0...}.*...G
0000180: 5255 4220 0047 656f 6d00 4861 7264 2044  RUB .Geom.Hard D
0000190: 6973 6b00 5265 6164 0020 4572 726f 7200  isk.Read. Error.
00001a0: bb01 00b4 0ecd 10ac 3c00 75f4 c300 0000  ........<.u.....
00001b0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 e8f0 e8f0 0000       ..............

446 byte bootloader + 64 byte partitoon table + 2byte signature = MBR
http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/disk/

To install GRUB to the MBR, you can follow the directions at
http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Invoking-grub_002dinstall.html#Invoking-grub_002dinstall


-Brian

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From jdonline at gmail.com  Thu Nov 30 17:19:31 2006
From: jdonline at gmail.com (J. D.)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:19:31 -0500
Subject: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin' ?
In-Reply-To: <fc.00249f0f30a751b83b9aca00a9bb0914.30a78c6e@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
References: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<fc.00249f0f30a751b83b9aca00a9bb0914.30a78c6e@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <345e31be0611301419r7dc6432egb84aa161776cda75@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Courtney,

     If it started hanging at that point all of the sudden, then it is time
to
test your hard drive using some diagnostic software from the manufacturer.

Best regards,

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From egorra at attglobal.net  Thu Nov 30 18:09:55 2006
From: egorra at attglobal.net (Roger Hammons)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:09:55 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
Message-ID: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>

Jim,

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I think it is a DNS issue (doh!).

While connected I was able to ping an IP address (as `12.65.4.39')
but NOT a name (as 'www.yahoo.com').

SOMEWHERE in Linspire I saw references to identifying a DNS (via some
setup wizard which I didn't use) if necessary(?).  I thought the ISP 
always provided DNS service automatically, I've never had to do anything 
about it before.  Apparently that's NOT happening in this case.  And I 
haven't been able to re-find what I think I read earlier.


Thanks to you I think that's the problem, but I'm still stuck.  Any
more ideas?

Roger


> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:00 -0500, Roger Hammons wrote:
> > I recently bought a Fry's Linspire computer.
> > 
> > I'm having trouble with the browser and my internet connection.  
> > 
> > I'm sure I'm connected (debug window confirms connect, kppp 
> > window shows connection and activity, ps shows kppp running) 
> > but the browser can't open any locations - it's like it doesn't 
> > recognize there's a connection.
> 
> Could it be a DNS issue?   Try pinging www.yahoo.com to check both DNS
> and connectivity.
> 
> hth,
> 
> -Jim P.
>



From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 18:02:52 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:02:52 -0500
Subject: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin'  ?
References: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>
	<fc.00249f0f30a751b83b9aca00a9bb0914.30a78c6e@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
Message-ID: <002c01c714d3$aa3bf6e0$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

Brian,

Thank you for your reply.

How do you "install a bootloader" ?

I used lilo before all this began and the original /etc/lilo.conf was recovered.

Appreciatively,

Courtney 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brian D. Pitts 
  To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts 
  Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin' ?


  Hardware misconfiguration or failure is the normal cause for a freeze after that message. I haven't been closely following your saga, but your computer probably stops here because it can't find anything to boot. It's my understanding that you used gpart to recreate your partition table and can now mount the disk. Did you install a bootloader? Here is what it would look like if GRUB was installed

  [brian at localhost ~]$ sudo dd bs=446 count=1 if=/dev/hda | xxd
  1+0 records in
  1+0 records out
  446 bytes (446 B) copied, 0.000332417 seconds, 1.3 MB/s
  0000000: eb48 90d0 bc00 7cfb 5007 501f fcbe 1b7c  .H....|.P.P....|
  0000010: bf1b 0650 57b9 e501 f3a4 cbbd be07 b104  ...PW...........
  0000020: 386e 007c 0975 1383 c510 e2f4 cd18 8bf5  8n.|.u..........
  0000030: 83c6 1049 7419 382c 74f6 a0b5 07b4 0302  ...It.8,t.......
  0000040: 8000 0080 4194 0000 0008 fa90 90f6 c280  ....A...........
  0000050: 7502 b280 ea59 7c00 0031 c08e d88e d0bc  u....Y|..1......
  0000060: 0020 fba0 407c 3cff 7402 88c2 52be 7f7d  . ..@|<.t...R..}
  0000070: e834 01f6 c280 7454 b441 bbaa 55cd 135a  .4....tT.A..U..Z
  0000080: 5272 4981 fb55 aa75 43a0 417c 84c0 7505  RrI..U.uC.A|..u.
  0000090: 83e1 0174 3766 8b4c 10be 057c c644 ff01  ...t7f.L...|.D..
  00000a0: 668b 1e44 7cc7 0410 00c7 4402 0100 6689  f..D|.....D...f.
  00000b0: 5c08 c744 0600 7066 31c0 8944 0466 8944  \..D..pf1..D.f.D
  00000c0: 0cb4 42cd 1372 05bb 0070 eb7d b408 cd13  ..B..r...p.}....
  00000d0: 730a f6c2 800f 84ea 00e9 8d00 be05 7cc6  s.............|.
  00000e0: 44ff 0066 31c0 88f0 4066 8944 0431 d288  D..f1... at f.D.1..
  00000f0: cac1 e202 88e8 88f4 4089 4408 31c0 88d0  ........ at .D.1...
  0000100: c0e8 0266 8904 66a1 447c 6631 d266 f734  ...f..f.D|f1.f.4
  0000110: 8854 0a66 31d2 66f7 7404 8854 0b89 440c  .T.f1.f.t..T..D.
  0000120: 3b44 087d 3c8a 540d c0e2 068a 4c0a fec1  ;D.}<.T.....L...
  0000130: 08d1 8a6c 0c5a 8a74 0bbb 0070 8ec3 31db  ...l.Z.t...p..1.
  0000140: b801 02cd 1372 2a8c c38e 0648 7c60 1eb9  .....r*....H|`..
  0000150: 0001 8edb 31f6 31ff fcf3 a51f 61ff 2642  ....1.1.....a.&B
  0000160: 7cbe 857d e840 00eb 0ebe 8a7d e838 00eb  |..}. at ....}.8..
  0000170: 06be 947d e830 00be 997d e82a 00eb fe47  ...}.0...}.*...G
  0000180: 5255 4220 0047 656f 6d00 4861 7264 2044  RUB .Geom.Hard D
  0000190: 6973 6b00 5265 6164 0020 4572 726f 7200  isk.Read. Error.
  00001a0: bb01 00b4 0ecd 10ac 3c00 75f4 c300 0000  ........<.u.....
  00001b0: 0000 0000 0000 0000 e8f0 e8f0 0000       ..............

  446 byte bootloader + 64 byte partitoon table + 2byte signature = MBR
  http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/disk/

  To install GRUB to the MBR, you can follow the directions at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Invoking-grub_002dinstall.html#Invoking-grub_002dinstall 

  -Brian



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From courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 30 18:10:56 2006
From: courtneycthomas at bellsouth.net (Courtney Thomas)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:10:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin' ?
References: <001901c714c5$82686120$5f01a8c0@SAMBA><fc.00249f0f30a751b83b9aca00a9bb0914.30a78c6e@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>
	<345e31be0611301419r7dc6432egb84aa161776cda75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c714d4$ca6d2000$5f01a8c0@SAMBA>

JD,

I have no reason to suspect that the HD is failing. It's scrambling is due to my
"messin' around" and I'm now tryin' to use this situation to learn enough so that
in the future when I have a real crash, I might be able to recover.I

I must say it was gratifying to recover the partitions, thanks to Greg Freemyer, and 
I now look forward to escaping from the current dilemma.

Thank you for your interest,

Courtney
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J. D. 
  To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts 
  Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 5:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [ale] Verifying DMI Pool Data... then, nothin' ?


  Hey Courtney,

       If it started hanging at that point all of the sudden, then it is time to 
  test your hard drive using some diagnostic software from the manufacturer.

  Best regards,

  J. D.



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From drifter at oppositelock.org  Thu Nov 30 19:49:56 2006
From: drifter at oppositelock.org (Sean Kilpatrick)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:49:56 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
References: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>

On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:09, Roger Hammons wrote:
| I thought the ISP 
| always provided DNS service automatically,

Well, yes and no.

Your ISP provides one or more DNS servers. But you have to tell
the OS where they are.

I use KDE and I get there this way:

desktop menu > System Tools > Network Device control (needs root
password) >configure eth0 > DNS tab ... and input the numeric addresses
for your primary and secondary DNS servers.  (If you don't know the
addresses, call your ISP tech support.)

I am sure there is a config file that can be edited, I just don't know
its name so I let the GUI do it for me.

Sean


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From bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu  Thu Nov 30 20:08:05 2006
From: bpitts at LearnLink.Emory.Edu (Brian D. Pitts)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:08:05 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
	<200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <fc.00249f0f30a7ed433b9aca0089b9736a.30a7effd@LearnLink.Emory.Edu>

Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts <ale at ale.org> writes:
>I am sure there is a config file that can be edited, I just don't know
>its name so I let the GUI do it for me.

/etc/resolv.conf

The format is nameserver ip-address; e.g.,
cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 170.140.1.1

You shouldn't manually edit this file if using NetworkManager (or OS X, but
that's a  different mailing list).

-Brian

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From jknapka at kneuro.net  Thu Nov 30 20:11:40 2006
From: jknapka at kneuro.net (JK)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:11:40 -0700
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
	<200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <456F814C.4070800@kneuro.net>

Sean Kilpatrick wrote:

> On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:09, Roger Hammons wrote:
> | I thought the ISP 
> | always provided DNS service automatically,
> 
> Well, yes and no.
> 
> Your ISP provides one or more DNS servers. But you have to tell
> the OS where they are.

Usually the ISP tells the local system the IP address of
at least two DNS servers, via the initial DHCP or PPP
protocol exchange. It's pretty unusual these days for
DNS not to Just Work, when you're connecting directly
to an ISP.  If you're routing between the ISP and an
internal LAN, of course, it's up to you to configure
everything so the machines on the LAN know where to go
for DNS data.  There are lots of ways to do that, probably
the simplest is, yeah, just find out the IPs of the
ISP's DNS servers and plug them into the appropriate
config file/dialog.

-- JK



From networkguy at linuxdios.org  Thu Nov 30 20:17:27 2006
From: networkguy at linuxdios.org (Chris)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:17:27 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
References: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
	<200611301950.04481.drifter@oppositelock.org>
Message-ID: <4EF5FBD4-9111-41A3-B347-AB995FBC26C8@linuxdios.org>

/etc/resolv.conf


On Nov 30, 2006, at 7:49 PM, Sean Kilpatrick wrote:

> On Thursday 30 November 2006 18:09, Roger Hammons wrote:
> | I thought the ISP
> | always provided DNS service automatically,
>
> Well, yes and no.
>
> Your ISP provides one or more DNS servers. But you have to tell
> the OS where they are.
>
> I use KDE and I get there this way:
>
> desktop menu > System Tools > Network Device control (needs root
> password) >configure eth0 > DNS tab ... and input the numeric  
> addresses
> for your primary and secondary DNS servers.  (If you don't know the
> addresses, call your ISP tech support.)
>
> I am sure there is a config file that can be edited, I just don't know
> its name so I let the GUI do it for me.
>
> Sean
>
>
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From jimpop at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 30 22:38:47 2006
From: jimpop at yahoo.com (Jim Popovitch)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:38:47 -0500
Subject: [ale] Linspire 5.0 Internet Connection
In-Reply-To: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
References: <456F64C3.886F152A@attglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1164944327.26072.2.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:09 -0500, Roger Hammons wrote:
> Yes, I think it is a DNS issue (doh!).
> 
> While connected I was able to ping an IP address (as `12.65.4.39')
> but NOT a name (as 'www.yahoo.com').
> 
> SOMEWHERE in Linspire I saw references to identifying a DNS (via some
> setup wizard which I didn't use) if necessary(?).  I thought the ISP 
> always provided DNS service automatically, I've never had to do anything 
> about it before.  Apparently that's NOT happening in this case.  And I 
> haven't been able to re-find what I think I read earlier.
> 
> 
> Thanks to you I think that's the problem, but I'm still stuck.  Any
> more ideas?

You could edit /etc/resolv.conf and put this in it:

   nameserver 4.2.2.4
   nameserver 4.2.2.3


Those are the IPs of Level 3's public facing DNS servers.

-Jim P.



