[ale] (no subject) SPAM talk...

[George Carless]

Once again, Drew, you're weighing in with a rather inflammatory post that betrays something of a lack of understanding of 
the problem at hand.  So I'll refer you to the always-useful spamsolutions.txt: http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

And most of the criticism of Microsoft has little to do with spam (unless as applied to issues with open relays, etc.), and 
more to do with things like the execution of arbitrary application code received in emails, etc.  Comparing the two is 
absolutely comparing apples and oranges.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "I, for one, don't allow harvesting at my domain".. I couldn't really find any pages on your 
site which were of the kind to contain data that could be harvested (which may be because it's a somewhat 
difficult-to-navigate site).  But certainly many of the sites that you link to *are* ripe for harvesting for those with the 
will.

And the mirror that you posted seems to only do simple stuff like "username at wherever.com", which I think is no deterrent 
whatsoever to spam harvesters.

Security through obfuscation by the means that you describe is *very little security*, and indeed is often potentially wore 
than "no security".  The reasons for this have been explained to you many times on the list, but you keep bringing up this 
same topic.  Which suggests that you're unwilling to learn, which is frankly rather annoying.  Do just a *little* research and 
you'll soon find for yourself that the kinds of steps you propose are at best too problematic, introducing more issues than 
they solve, and at worst entirely ineffective.  But I am sure that you'll respond in your typical "abused misunderstood martyr 
who's just acting in the common good" style...

Cheers,
--George

On Fri, Apr 16, 
2004 at 09:16:11PM -0500, ChangingLINKS.com wrote: > > I'm subscribed to a number of lists, of those, the following do not 
> > obscure poster's addresses at all:
> > 
> > All SuSE lists
> > the freeswan list
> > am-info list
> > debian lists
> > 
> > 
> > Many obscure them poorly, as in: user ( at ) domain.com
> > OR: user domain com
> > 
> > You think spammers haven't already figured this one out?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Until later, Geoffrey                     Registered Linux User #108567
> > Building secure systems in spite of Microsoft
> 
> At the least this is IRONIC.
> 
> On one hand, you have programmers bragging about how good they are and these 
> are the very same people that critique Microsofts poor security . . .
> . . .and on the other hand you have people that fantasize injuring spammers 
> while tacitly SUPPORTING spam.
> 
> Moreover, the ALE - HAS A MIRROR - that has implimented a solution.
> Finally, we have a decent man and good programmer IMPLYING that because other 
> lists are insecure, it is permissible for the ALE to be sub-standard as well.
> 
> Let's at least have the integrity(utter sincerety, completeness, candor) to 
> show spammers respect for outpacing their anti-spam counterparts for years on 
> end, and/or show Microsoft *the same* respect that we allow for email lists 
> that are exploited as easily as an M$ email client. 
> 
> I, for one, don't allow harvesting at my domain - but that's because I care 
> enough to act rather than complain.
> 
> (Disclaimer: That's just my 2 cents - I realize the list will probably stay 
> sub-standard in this respect for years to come and my words will be 
> interpretted to mean something other than "fix your shit.").
> --
> Wishing you Happiness, Joy and Laughter,
> Drew Brown
> http://www.ChangingLINKS.com
> 
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