I have updated this box... my desktop, with the latest glibc from ximian's rug. glibc-2.3.2-27.9.7 I'll reboot and see if I reappear. Is this the version people are all up in a heap about? -- John M. Trostel Atlanta, Georgia USA jtrostel at mindspring.com GPG Key Fingerprint: FE1F DFCE 4BF1 A8A8 5766 CBCB B0C3 FD47 3F78 A1FC