[ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list

[David Corbin]

On Monday 29 December 2003 12:34, Greg wrote:
> ok, we are up to 3-4 things that Linux needs that Windows doesn't have -
> and that's not including several dozen that I could add ....
>
> hmmmm ... wonder why linux is not taking over the desktop ......
>

But so many of the things that are "missing" aren't needed by the "vast 
majority". 

 Fax software. bah!.   I don't need it.  I've got a fax machine.

WYSiWYG HTML editor.  Very few offices need this.

Contact Managment.  Well, this is need by more but many many companies operate 
without such today.  And there are certainly web-based solutions.

The real problem is "vertical/internal applications".  As companies move these 
to the web, or (perhaps to Java), this becomes a non-issue.  That's why these 
technologies are so appealing - you break a tie to given platform.

David


> Greg
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org]On Behalf Of
> > Matthew Brown
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:18 AM
> > To: cfowler at outpostsentinel.com; 'Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts'
> > Subject: RE: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> >
> >
> > A good WYSIWYG HTML editor and a more excellent graphics editor wouldn't
> > hurt either.
> >
> > I like the text-based editors fine, but WYSIWYG will bring on the masses
> > of web folk.  Along with that, we need something like a PhotoShop or PSP
> > on Linux.  IMHO, the Gimp is just not there, as good as it is.  Maybe
> > someone should talk to their Adobe contacts on these.
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> > Christopher Fowler
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 8:12 AM
> > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > Subject: Re: [ale] OT: Re: posting to Linux mail list
> >
> >
> > A decent CRM like ACT! or GoldMine needs to be written also.
> >
> > On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 08:08, walter Sams wrote:
> > > Geoffrey has a good reply to the MS marketer
> > >
> > > A cattle rancher should not feed the wolves hoping they will leave.
> > >
> > > >From my business perspective, all linux needs to take over the
> > > >desktop
> > >
> > > now is a fax program to compete with winfax.  Once someone is able to
> > > write this and make it available for under 400.00 There will be no
> > > need to buy MS products to run an office.  Then let them show me how
> > > they will save me money instead of bleeding me dry with licensing,
> > > upgrades and support.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 09:53, David Corbin wrote:
> > > > I'm with Geoffrey on this.  MS business policy/strategy is to lock
> > > > their
> > > > customers in.  I don't see how telling them what we want is going to
> >
> > convince
> >
> > > > them to change.   All you're doing is telling them WHERE they should
> >
> > be
> >
> > > > locking their customers in.
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 19 December 2003 09:33, Chris Ricker wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Geoffrey wrote:
> > > > > > I'll let you know.  I'll give you my perspective.  I personally
> > > > > > see Microsoft as a marketing company that tries to write
> > > > > > software.  You'll not get a lot of pleasant responses from me
> > > > > > or, I suspect from this group.
> > > > >
> > > > > My take is a bit different than yours, Geoffrey. Let the man post
> > > > > his survey and we can tell him what we'd like from Microsoft.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I'd like from MS is true interoperability. Open formats, open
> > > > >
> > > > > standards, open protocols. Changing this would not hurt MS sales,
> > > > > either. The world already has all the MS-only shops it's going to
> > > > > get. For the rest of us in the real world working in multivendor
> > > > > environments, dealing with MS proprietary lockin is extremely
> > > > > expensive and painful, and hurts MS sales in such environments. We
> > > > >
> > > > > actively look for open solutions just because we have to integrate
> > > > >
> > > > > with everything from Windows to Linux to other Unix to mainframes.
> > > > >
> > > > > MS products don't get considered very long with such needs because
> > > > >
> > > > > they're not suitable.
> > > > >
> > > > > later,
> > > > > chris
> > > > >
> > > > > PS In case it's not clear, by open I mean standard, documented,
> > > > > and unencumbered by patents, not necessarily free or open source.
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