[ale] Long ago off topic and wondering ever on... Defeated by the offshoring of America....

[Benjamin Scherrey]

4/14/2003 3:39:49 PM, hbbs at attbi.com wrote:
<hypicritical, thoughtless remarks absent of any coherent argument (or even a single assertion)
snipped - inane assertion follows:>
>Condescension aside, none of this supports the assertion that America is based
>on a capitalist society.  Jefferson, Franklin, et al may have derived their own
>sensibilities from the likes of Smith and Locke, but that doesn't mean that
>capitalism IS THE BASIS FOR the Constitution.  There is a difference between
>basing a nation on capitalism and basing a nation on ideas and concepts in which
>capitalism can flourish.  

	What would that difference be? What would you claim is the "real" basis then? Please 
be willing to provide at least some independently referencable evidence supporting your claim. I've 
given you two and will add the "Federalist Papers" to boot. Am willing to provide you two more for 
every one of yours.

>
>But all of this is beside the point.

	Besides what point? That was YOUR point entirely. Why is it that socialists/statists/(*)ists 
always change the subject when their assertions are undermined by the most basic obvious facts?

>  The real point is, when does capitalism
>fade into greed?

	I refer you to my point about liberty. Why do you begrudge other's rights to live their lives 
as they see fit so long as they don't use force or fraud?

>  When does a CEO, CFO, or whatever decide to pursue profit at
>the expense of the national good?

	Please define "national good". Then give an example of such pursuit that wasn't made 
possible only because of government interference and/or use of force or fraud?

>  This only happens when corporations grow to a
>size where that even becomes a possibility or if several corporations act in
>concert to have the same effect.  

	I've never seen any evidence to support this inane assertion yet you expect everyone to 
take it on face value as fact - despite the obvious nonsense you spouted earlier. At what point 
should demonstrations of your willingness to make baseless assertions that you are unwilling to 
support once challanged cause the rest of us to come to the conclusion that we should simply take 
it at face value that everything you say is equally devoid of reason?

	....wondering, but not much - 

		Ben Scherrey

PS: Oh - and the reason why your dad and the rest of middle-class America could live so well as a 
single income earner family back then is because our graduated (the statists call it "progressive") 
income tax system has increased dramatically in two ways. 1) the obvious increase in % of earnings 
and 2) the lack of adjustments for inflation thus throwing the middle class into tax brackets intended 
to steal only from the "wealthy". Congratulations - the very class envy that you espouse is exactly 
how the Congress was able to get away with creating the great "income divide" - and then blame it 
on Reagan.

Note to the rest following this thread: Yes - I know this should have ended but I'm afraid that I can 
no longer allow baseless assertions that go against all fundamental reason to be thrown about 
unchallanged as though they were facts. Like the man says, all that is required for evil to win is for 
good men to do nothing. Unfortunately that has been going on for far too long.




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