[ale] Defeated by the offshoring of America....

[Zyman, Andy]

good point... especially when somebody is telling me "we have the best tax !
much less than in EU".... Usually i only smile....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drag0n [mailto:dragon at atlantacon.org]
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 2:14 PM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Defeated by the offshoring of America....
> 
> 
> the biggest problem i see with the tech industry moving programers
> offshore is the revenue loss from the transaction, in the 
> case of nike,
> their is still a tarif to bring the goods back in country for
> redistribution. But in the arena of Programing, how do you regulate an
> FTP transfer from overseas? its one file that will be turned 
> around and
> sold as if it were produced here in the states, no penalty 
> for overseas
> work like in the other transactions. so not only are american 
> jobs lost,
> but there is no recovery of said funds on the government level. 
> 	The problem doesnt exist at the buisness level though. 
> Why do these
> buisneses move the work off shore? because the cost of labor has risen
> too high in the states, with taxes, insurance, medical benefits, more
> taxes. it now costs at least double what the individual makes to keep
> them employed. nice little racket the gubments got going, they tax you
> on what you earn, then they tax your employer on what you 
> earn, and they
> tax you on what you spend, and they tax you on what you earn 
> off of what
> you save (already taxed when you earned it the first time) 
> and they tax
> you on what you invest if they dont like what you invested it 
> in. hell,
> stocks are a total mess with the alternative tax rate.
> 	Sigh, its a shame that we had a revolution over a 5% 
> tea tax, and no
> one gets upset over 66% of everything you earn going to ther 
> government.
> (if you make over $50,000, own a home and have a car, you get to keep
> only 33% of what you earn today)
> 
> 
> Drag0n
> dragon at atlantacon.org
> 
> John Wells wrote:
> > 
> > George Carless said:
> > > Hey, America's all about capitalism, isn't it?  If 
> resources are cheaper
> > > off-shore, and provide a better service for the money, 
> then so be it.
> > 
> > All things being equal, I typically agree with those 
> sentiments.  I'm far
> > from a socialist by any means, and I believe in capitalism and the
> > doctrine that the "strong shall survive" (strong being 
> those who keep
> > their nose to the grindstone and don't try to ride other's 
> coattails).
> > 
> > I guess it's a bit harder to stomach these days when I see 
> friends who've
> > been out of work for 8+ months and who basically worked 
> their asses off in
> > school and in their jobs afterwards.  Friends who are 
> highly intelligent,
> > very capable, and begging for any sort of work that will 
> help support
> > their families.  It's more difficult when you see the 
> strained look in
> > their eyes when they wonder how they will provide for their 
> families.
> > 
> > At a very high, impersonal level, I see no harm in a 
> company crossing
> > borders to further the shareholder's wealth.
> > 
> > That said, on a personal level, it just rubs me wrong.  If I truly
> > believed that the company had done everything it could to cut any
> > extraneous costs before slashing American workers and 
> supplanting them
> > with foreigners, that would be one thing.  However, I 
> *know* that's not
> > always the case, and I feel this sort of move is becoming more of a
> > knee-jerk reaction that a logical decision.  And management 
> is often more
> > guilty of herd mentality than any other group in the 
> corporate structure.
> > It's *a very bad thing* when this sort of thing becomes an unspoken
> > corporate policy, which the mail I received implies is true for this
> > particular company.
> > 
> > Still, there's no really good place to point a finger.  
> Decisions can be
> > rationalized across the board.
> > 
> > > For my part, I'm proud to be a foreigner over here 
> stealing your jobs
> > > and your women. ;)
> > 
> > >From what I hear about you Brits, it's not the women 
> you're stealing ;-).
> > 
> > John
> > 
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