[ale] Defeated by the offshoring of America....

Drag0n dragon at atlantacon.org
Mon Apr 14 14:14:10 EDT 2003


the biggest problem i see with the tech industry moving programers
offshore is the revenue loss from the transaction, in the case of nike,
their is still a tarif to bring the goods back in country for
redistribution. But in the arena of Programing, how do you regulate an
FTP transfer from overseas? its one file that will be turned around and
sold as if it were produced here in the states, no penalty for overseas
work like in the other transactions. so not only are american jobs lost,
but there is no recovery of said funds on the government level. 
	The problem doesnt exist at the buisness level though. Why do these
buisneses move the work off shore? because the cost of labor has risen
too high in the states, with taxes, insurance, medical benefits, more
taxes. it now costs at least double what the individual makes to keep
them employed. nice little racket the gubments got going, they tax you
on what you earn, then they tax your employer on what you earn, and they
tax you on what you spend, and they tax you on what you earn off of what
you save (already taxed when you earned it the first time) and they tax
you on what you invest if they dont like what you invested it in. hell,
stocks are a total mess with the alternative tax rate.
	Sigh, its a shame that we had a revolution over a 5% tea tax, and no
one gets upset over 66% of everything you earn going to ther government.
(if you make over $50,000, own a home and have a car, you get to keep
only 33% of what you earn today)


Drag0n
dragon at atlantacon.org

John Wells wrote:
> 
> George Carless said:
> > Hey, America's all about capitalism, isn't it?  If resources are cheaper
> > off-shore, and provide a better service for the money, then so be it.
> 
> All things being equal, I typically agree with those sentiments.  I'm far
> from a socialist by any means, and I believe in capitalism and the
> doctrine that the "strong shall survive" (strong being those who keep
> their nose to the grindstone and don't try to ride other's coattails).
> 
> I guess it's a bit harder to stomach these days when I see friends who've
> been out of work for 8+ months and who basically worked their asses off in
> school and in their jobs afterwards.  Friends who are highly intelligent,
> very capable, and begging for any sort of work that will help support
> their families.  It's more difficult when you see the strained look in
> their eyes when they wonder how they will provide for their families.
> 
> At a very high, impersonal level, I see no harm in a company crossing
> borders to further the shareholder's wealth.
> 
> That said, on a personal level, it just rubs me wrong.  If I truly
> believed that the company had done everything it could to cut any
> extraneous costs before slashing American workers and supplanting them
> with foreigners, that would be one thing.  However, I *know* that's not
> always the case, and I feel this sort of move is becoming more of a
> knee-jerk reaction that a logical decision.  And management is often more
> guilty of herd mentality than any other group in the corporate structure.
> It's *a very bad thing* when this sort of thing becomes an unspoken
> corporate policy, which the mail I received implies is true for this
> particular company.
> 
> Still, there's no really good place to point a finger.  Decisions can be
> rationalized across the board.
> 
> > For my part, I'm proud to be a foreigner over here stealing your jobs
> > and your women. ;)
> 
> >From what I hear about you Brits, it's not the women you're stealing ;-).
> 
> John
> 
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