[ale] Bangalore Bill
F. Grant Robertson
f.g.robertson at alexiongroup.com
Tue Nov 12 19:55:45 EST 2002
I agree.. However, the US will not remain the largest market. The EU,
China and India itself will all eventually eclipse the US in total
volume rather easily in the next 10 years. And, it's well known that
Bill Gate's mistake with the Chinese has not been forgotten.
(For those that are unaware of it, Gates in an interview back in the mid
90's publicly said that MS marketing strategy in southeast asia was to
allow piracy to continue to run rampant, forcing dependancy on MS
software.. at which point Bill and the License police would step into a
market they had already claimed. The Chinese were none to happy with
this, having been the victim of the British Empire and opium. Another
case of being "hooked" and then being exploited. This coupled with
China's skeptisim of foreign control and "spyware" has caused China's
government to be rather more open minded about non-MS solutions.)
It is quite possible that a software market just as large as the US will
develop within India's own borders in the next decade. The US may very
well fall into a position of follower rather than leader within this
same time period. This is only further exacerbated by draconian laws
like the DMCA, and previously our encryption export policy. (If you ask
me, <flame bait>the only good thing Clinton ever did in his miserable,
godforsaken life</flame bait> is sign the bill that made it legal for me
to get on a plane with a 128bit browser.)
Vikram: If I've overstepped by taking a private reply public, I
appologize. I thought this made an interesting point that was worth
On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 18:53, Vikram Nanda wrote:
The biggest market for Indian Software Industry is USA. Any move
towards or away from M$ will be dictated by the US market and not by
>From: "F. Grant Robertson"
>CC: ale at ale.org
>Subject: Re: [ale] Bangalore Bill
>Date: 12 Nov 2002 10:53:31 -0500
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>In-Reply-To: <3DD0F097.1020504 at mindspring.com>
>In my experience, most CS degreed indians are already pretty M4
>brainwashed in the first place. The exception (in my experience, and
>mine alone) are Indian nationals that spent time in American
>universities. I am however strategicly skeptical of what Bill is doing
>here, but, on the whole, I don't think it matters _that_ much. With the
>volume of cheap, educated labor in India and the former Soviet Union,
>outsourcing is here to stay. It's a fact of life your just going to
>to navigate your career around.
>Learn to speak Russian, or Bengali, or something useful, get some
>management skills, and be a liason, or, gain the skills to be in
>business analisys.. Or, just leave the industry entirely. Wage
>deflation isn't going to stop anytime soon in our sector (I hate to be
>the doom and gloom sayer but, there it is). Without some sort of
>massive government intervention, i.e. Revoking H1b's, instituting
>much like Australia to force companies to hire from within our borders,
>etc.. your not going to see the 100k plus salaries again. With
>controls like that in place, business will just plain move elsewhere.
>That is the nature of industry, to enhance margins.
>Being a real capitalist means you can't complain about someone pissing
>in your cheerios.. A real capitalist just adjusts to the changing
>market and moves on.
>Hence why I'm seriously considering changing my major to pre-law.
>On Tue, 2002-11-12 at 07:14, Jim wrote:
> > Looks like Bill Gates has launched phase on of his conquest of
> > is donating money by the millions there and trying to improve
> > Microsoft's position in the software industry of that country. This
> > shrewd move, since India is more successful in software outsourcing
> > any other country. If Microsoft can get a foothold there, it can do
> > to negate Linux' gains in other countries. The link is here:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2447285.stm
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