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[Geoffrey]

Kevin Krumwiede wrote:

>>        I'd disagree.  It is meaningful to point out that if you're
>>doing Java, you do it OOP and you're not given a choice (even Python
>>(*shudder* :) will let you get away with being somewhat procedural for
>>the main body of your program; at least for things on the order of
>>`hello world').  It's meaningful that Java enforces strong typing
>>(with all the benefits and hindrances that brings with it).

 >

> 
> I agree that being forced to use OOP is annoying.


You really don't want a language designed to do both OOP and structured. 
  If you do, some schmuck will toggle between the two and put us all in 
the loony bin.

> I the main body of my
> programs usually resides in a class where everything is static, or else
> simply local to the main method.


Would that be a reasonable approach to programming?

> The weirdest thing in the world is a
> program that creates an instance of itself in its own main method.  The
> first time I saw that, it just twisted my brain in little knots and I
> resolved never to do it. :-)



Methinks my Javaless brain would call that recursion???


> 
> Joseph is right, too, about the need for something akin to C++ templates.
> There's something in the works being pushed by a few for inclusion into Java
> 1.5, but that's a long way off.  As it is, Java's container classes store
> everything as Objects -- the equivalent of void pointers.  As he said, this
> can render Java's supposedly strong type-safety all but useless.


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