[ale] OT: H1B

[Geoffrey]

ANNAREDDY,REDDY (HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:
> I agree with you partly and don;t agree if you apply to all the H1B workers.
> Do you mean to say all the native citizens code is better than H1B's.

In my personal experience, the hibs did not write decent code.  Now I 
can point you to US citizens who write lousy code, but overall, the 
quality of programming by US Citizens has been much better then that of 
hibs.  That is based on personal experience, and is in no way a 
scientific measure.

Never say always.  No, I'm saying that I've had the opportunity to work 
with a good number of hibs primarily from China and India.  I can not 
select one of them and tell you they write good code.

I
> think the point is that, in the boom time, we can see people having three
> months experience doing coding for mission critical applications.

That has nothing to do with how well you write your code.  Poor coding 
constructs are an indication of inappropriate training/education, or 
lack of concern for the proper approach.

This is
> because of the boom and the oppurtunities created by the economy. If you can
> see the accomplishment of some of the H1B's in the software, it is
> commendable. The guy who designed PIII is a H1B worker. There are so many
> examples like this. It is a matter of training to get perfection. 

That is one example, of which you've provided no proof.

> (By the way, I meant plastic. I am bad in typing not in spelling.).

Your bad typing was very consistent in that posting, which is quite unusual.

cheers.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:22 AM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] OT: H1B
> 
> 
> A couple flaws in your assessment.  The first is that if all the work is 
> farmed out to h1b or overseas, then all these un-employed folks will 
> have no cash to purchase anything from these companies that are saving 
> all this money by using the cheaper labor.
> 
> Secondly, there are US Citizens who are taking the jobs at the lower 
> rates in order to maintain employment.  It's unfortunate, because the 
> winners are the corporations, not the citizens, not the h1bs.
> 
> Further, my personal experiences with h1b/contractors (that are of 
> chinese, indian origin is), they are poorly trained in software 
> development disciplines.  The code is terrible.  Inconsistent 
> formatting, poor logical solutions, never documented.  Just plain sloppy.
> 
> This is also exacerbated by the usual lack of command of the spoken 
> language.  The code is hard to follow and you can't understand the guy 
> who wrote it.
> 
> No offense, but it is apparent by your posting that English is not your 
> native tongue.  You must understand that this comes through in your work 
> as well.  For example, you use the word platic a number of times in your 
> posting.  I assume you meant plastic, but I'm not sure of that.  I'm 
> pretty sure this is not simply a typo as you did it at least 3 times 
> this way.
> 
> I think you're correct, in that there is a change coming, but all things 
> are cyclic.  It's just a matter of time until we see how much damage 
> this approach does to the overall economy.
> 
> ANNAREDDY,REDDY (HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>I am a H1B holder working in US. US has no option left except to brings H1
>>and also outsource the work. Let us see the reasons behind the argument.
>>Europe is already having good software engineering background. 
> 
> 
> 

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