[ale] RedHat 8.0 praise - from a long time M$ user...

Keith Morris graphicsguy at attbi.com
Tue Dec 3 22:32:29 EST 2002


Hi all!  I figured I'd jump in on this discussion.  I have for many
years been a windows user and am currently the system admin for a
company using primarily windows.  I have dabbled in linux here and there
for the last few years (starting at RH 5).  I finally switched totally
to linux at home and haven't looked back since. I am currently using RH
8 on my home machine for my desktop OS.  I basically use my machine for
PHP/MySQL development, web, email, Quake 3, etc.  Now, not having years
of experience of the different flavors of linux in a production SERVER
environment, I can't talk much about memory allocation for server
processes, but I did do an experiment. . .

I decided I wanted to try to MAKE my box crash...my machine is running
apache 2, and mysql with php..so I started a series of queries with disk
reading and writing from a php script on a database with nearly
2,000,000 email addresses... while doing this I opened 30 instances of
mozilla, OpenOffice writer(5 instances), OpenOffice Calc(5 instances),
OpenOffice Presentations(5 instances), Evolution 1.2, gFTP, Anjuta,
Forte Agent (running under Wine),mIRC (also under wine) started ripping
a CD with grip, playing ogg with xmms...still no crash...in fact, it
barely became less responsive.  Only when I decided to start Quake 3 on
top of all this did the machine choke down....it wouldn't start quake
3(at least it didn't in the 2 minutes I waited) although it probably
would have started had I waited long enough....it still didn't crash,
just got a good deal less responsive...

There's NO LOOKING BACK for me!!!  Let WinXP try that with Internet
Explorer, Word, Excel, PowerPoint IIS, MSSQL,Outlook,Windows Media
Player, etc...YEAH RIGHT!

Although this is probably more of a testament to Linux in general, I
just have to say I like my RH8 best even after trying nearly all of the
modern distros.  Sure, it's a little quirky and you have to do some
configuring to get some of the stuff the the other distros have out of
the box (like mp3 and DVD playback, hello?!), but that's part of the
fun.

Wow...give me two beers and I'm running off at the keyboard.  Thanks for
the blab space.

Peace.

Keith Morris
Creative Director
Design / Effects
IQ Television Group
Atlanta, GA
http://www.iqtv.com


On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 17:21, Matty wrote:
> I have noticed Bluecurve/Gnome/X eat up __TONS__ of RAM. Taking
> a look at X, I see 58MB of total resident memory. If you subtract 
> off 12MB of shared memory pages, that leaves 46MB of RAM allocated
> to the process. I do open a lot of windows, but that seems somewhat
> excessive for a a server that controls your hardware and mouse
> interactions. I am amazed going through the address space how many
> libraries GTK+ apps use. Yikes!
> 
> - Ryan
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 15:52, sangell at nan.net wrote:
> > 
> > Well, and I can't believe I am about to say this as I have been a big
> > RedHat Supporter, I am probably the most unhappy with a RedHat release at
> > 8.0 as with any release they have ever had. I have had some issues with the
> > main thing I now use RedHat for and that is Dedicated Gaming servers. I was
> > also not impressed with the fact that a custom install was much more, IMHO,
> > "restricted". I like to trim the intstalls down to the bare minimum
> > packages needed to run the apps I will add after intstall and it seemed to
> > me that this was a little more compicated than with 7.3. Now with regards
> > to a desktop environment, I will admit that the look is pleasing and the
> > ability to find apps is more intuitive. However for my servers I am going
> > back to 7.3 for now and just patch the apps I need up to current status.
> > Also I have noticed that CPU utilization is higher on systems running
> > comparable services with 8.0 vs 7.3 and I have already had one 8.0 system
> > die, not sure yet what exactly went wrong as I have not picked the box up
> > yet. Maybe OS related maybe not, the system will cease to provide any
> > services but you can ping the Ethernet interface. Hmmmm. Anyway, I am sure
> > in a lot of ways it is a great release, but I have had some issues with it
> > and I normally love each release as it has become available.
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Eric Anderson talked me into getting RH 8.0 and loading it.  Wow!  This is
> > really nice stuff.  The UI is very unified, clean and understandable, for
> > the first time I think.  We have achieved desktop readiness - now for those
> > droves of end-user apps!
> > 
> > Hope you're having a great day!
> > 
> > Best regards,
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