Please don't take me amiss if the subject is not new. I upgraded my
kernel to 2.0.30 with some pain as I had accidentally deleted some object
files from my HD, including modules. I could not configure permanent kernel
sound support but module has been accepted by the config script. However,
I could not afford to compile the sound module. Looks like there's some
missing or wrongly configured during kernel compiling. Did any one face
something the like?
I anticipate heartful thanks for any helping hand.
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From dmount at itserve.com Wed Jul 2 08:44:13 1997
From: dmount at itserve.com (Dan Mount)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:44:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Communicator & SSL Fix
Message-ID: <199707020233.WAA16724@anacreon.cc.gatech.edu.5>
I don't know about b5, but in Communicator 4.01b6 if you set a "MOZILLA_HOME"
environment variable to your netscape install dir ie:
export MOZILLA_HOME=/path/to/your/netscape/dir
SSL encryption will work.
--- Dan Mount ---
--- dmount at itserve.com ---
From blackgr at worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 2 09:55:54 1997
From: blackgr at worldnet.att.net (Glynn Black)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:55:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Question
Message-ID: <199707020233.WAA16724@anacreon.cc.gatech.edu.6>
Greetings:
I'm employed by Chatham County Department of Family and Children
Services down in Savannah, GA. I'm looking to purchase a couple of
Pentium class PCs for use with Linux as a workstation and web server.
Normally I just throw together generic parts and if a particular
component doesn't work for Linux, I just change the component.
Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury in this particular instance.
If at all possible I have to purchase a well known brand off a list of
state contracts and I don't have any room for experimentation or trial
and error. I need something that will run with Linux without any
hitches.
Usually the agency purchases Compaqs, but I've learned through HOWTOs
that Compaqs aren't a good choice for Linux. Our contracts includes
the following companies:
Gateway 2000
Unisys Corporation
Dell Marketing
Zenith Data Systems
AST
Toshiba
Tangent Computer
IBM
Win Labaratories
Canon Computer Systems
Hewlett-Packard
Nec Microcomputers
If anyone has had any "Hitch-free" experience with any of the above
companies and would care to share information or make any
recomendations, I would appreciate it.
Glynn Black Chatham DFCS
blackgr at worldnet.att.net
From terry at esc1.com Wed Jul 2 11:48:38 1997
From: terry at esc1.com (Terry Lee Tucker)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 11:48:38 -0400
Subject: [ale] Question
Message-ID: <199707020233.WAA16724@anacreon.cc.gatech.edu.7>
Glynn Black wrote:
>
> Greetings:
>
> I'm employed by Chatham County Department of Family and Children
> Services down in Savannah, GA. I'm looking to purchase a couple of
> Pentium class PCs for use with Linux as a workstation and web server.
> Normally I just throw together generic parts and if a particular
> component doesn't work for Linux, I just change the component.
> Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury in this particular instance.
> If at all possible I have to purchase a well known brand off a list of
> state contracts and I don't have any room for experimentation or trial
> and error. I need something that will run with Linux without any
> hitches.
>
> Usually the agency purchases Compaqs, but I've learned through HOWTOs
> that Compaqs aren't a good choice for Linux. Our contracts includes
> the following companies:
>
> Gateway 2000
> Unisys Corporation
> Dell Marketing
> Zenith Data Systems
> AST
> Toshiba
> Tangent Computer
> IBM
> Win Labaratories
> Canon Computer Systems
> Hewlett-Packard
> Nec Microcomputers
>
> If anyone has had any "Hitch-free" experience with any of the above
> companies and would care to share information or make any
> recomendations, I would appreciate it.
>
> Glynn Black Chatham DFCS
> blackgr at worldnet.att.net
Hello Glynn:
I'm running RedHat Linux 4.2 on a Gateway 2000. I have a single
Fast/Wide SCSI drive on an Adeptec 2940 Ultra-Wide (PCI Bus). I have a
STB ViRGE video card and a ViewSonic 17PS monitor. I run XFree86 at
1280x1024 16bpp with no problems. I have a TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-5702B,
ATAPI CDROM drive. Floppy drive is FDC 0 is a National Semiconductor
PC87306. My hard drive is a 4.3 Gig SEAGATE, Model: ST34371W, Rev: 0360.
My networking card is SMC using the Tulip driver, smc8432 (DEC 21041
Tulip). I have a sound card from Gateway that says its a Sound Blaster
16. It does not work. I believe it's a clone, so get a different sound
card. I have an internal modem that I haven't even used, so can't help
you on that. By the way, my Gateway is a GX-200. That's 200Mhz Pentium
Pro. I had no problems installing 4.2 except for the sound card which
doesn't initialize. Everything came installed and setup by Gateway
except the monitor.
Hope this helps...
---
Oakwood, GA 30566 USA
770.965.9294
http://www.esc1.com
This is a Gates-Free Zone
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Wed Jul 2 13:16:06 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 13:16:06 EDT
Subject: [ale] HP ScanJet 2c for sale
Message-ID: <199707021718.AA053133923@relay.hp.com.8>
I have a used HP ScanJet 2c flatbed color scanner for sale. I have tested it
with Linux and WinBlows 95 and it works fine. I purchased it from Rob Hoppe
a few months ago and since then have also purchased a HP ScanJet 2cx.
I do not have the scsi card that normally comes with the unit but do have
copies of the deskscan software. I want $180 for this unit.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From nick at ast.lmco.com Wed Jul 2 16:46:52 1997
From: nick at ast.lmco.com (Nick Grimmig)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 14:46:52 -0600
Subject: [ale] CDROM !!!!
Message-ID: <199707021718.AA053133923@relay.hp.com.9>
anyone know how to get the SCSI cdrom on a SS10 ( linux sparc )
_ major, minor node numbers, /dev/sr0
- how the hell do you get it to work .
--
Nick Grimmig,
UNIX System Administrator
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Wed Jul 2 17:45:19 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 17:45:19 EDT
Subject: [ale] CDROM !!!!
Message-ID: <199707022148.AA122810075@relay.hp.com.10>
Nick Grimmig asked about accessing a CDROM drive on a Sparc10
You need to get it working under Blowlaris or Sparc/Linux?
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From pwd at mdtsoft.com Thu Jul 3 10:51:25 1997
From: pwd at mdtsoft.com (Philip W. Dalrymple III)
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:51:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Question on a ALS presentation
Message-ID: <199707031451.KAA13828@burdell.cc.gatech.edu.11>
At the A.L.S. there was a talk on "Intranet Support of Collaborative Planning"
by Lloyd Brodsky of AmerInd
I would like to take a look at the software that he was talking about but
AmerInd's web site has no info on either the software (it is a Lotus Notes
like pacage using http-CGI and running on Linux). If anyone has a pointer
to this software could they please send it to me.
--
Philip W. Dalrymple III
This article is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects.
+1 770 642 3001
From sjd at mindspring.com Thu Jul 3 13:47:01 1997
From: sjd at mindspring.com (sjd)
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 13:47:01 -0400
Subject: [ale] Question on a ALS presentation
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970703134701.007af100@mindspring.com.12>
At 10:51 AM 7/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At the A.L.S. there was a talk on "Intranet Support of Collaborative
Planning"
>by Lloyd Brodsky of AmerInd
>
I downloaded it from:
http://www.intranetlite.com
Steve Derezinski
sjd at mindspring.com
From nomad at orci.com Fri Jul 4 21:56:53 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 19:56:53 -0600
Subject: [ale] ISDN
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970703134701.007af100@mindspring.com.13>
Hey Guys,
I'm running a bitsurfer PRO, external. It works clean in 95 which
is making me sick cause it doesn't in Linux. I compiled the latest
kernel (2.1.43)
with ISDN support. I didn't include the syncronous support since
I don't know where to find the ipppd anyway. I either get no
connection or alot of o or x repeated when it does connect.
Any clues?
Robert
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
Email:
Robert at ast.lmco.com
http://www.orci.com/~nomad
DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From tew at wiencko.com Fri Jul 4 19:30:39 1997
From: tew at wiencko.com (Tom Wiencko)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 1997 19:30:39 -0400
Subject: [ale] ISDN
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970703134701.007af100@mindspring.com.14>
I'm running a bitsurfer pro from linux and it works like a champ.
I've successfully run ppp and slip links. I do not have isdn support
installed, i just set up the terminal adapter to come up properly
without superfluous configuration needed.
-Tom
Robert L. Harris wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
> I'm running a bitsurfer PRO, external. It works clean in 95 which
> is making me sick cause it doesn't in Linux. I compiled the latest
> kernel (2.1.43)
> with ISDN support. I didn't include the syncronous support since
> I don't know where to find the ipppd anyway. I either get no
> connection or alot of o or x repeated when it does connect.
> Any clues?
>
> Robert
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
> System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
>
> Email:
> Robert at ast.lmco.com
> http://www.orci.com/~nomad
>
> DISCLAIMER:
> These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
>
> perl -e 'print
> $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom Wiencko tew at wiencko.com
President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
From mhw at wittsend.com Fri Jul 4 22:10:46 1997
From: mhw at wittsend.com (Michael H. Warfield)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 22:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] ISDN
Message-ID:
Robert L. Harris enscribed thusly:
> Hey Guys,
> I'm running a bitsurfer PRO, external. It works clean in 95 which
> is making me sick cause it doesn't in Linux. I compiled the latest
> kernel (2.1.43)
> with ISDN support. I didn't include the syncronous support since
> I don't know where to find the ipppd anyway. I either get no
> connection or alot of o or x repeated when it does connect.
> Any clues?
It works GREAT in Linux. I'm currently running four of them at
home and another half dozen at the office.
1) You do NOT use the ISDN kernel options!
2) You do NOT use synchronous support!
The Bitsurfer Pro is an Async device connected to one of your Comm
ports. I would personally recommend configuring it for PPP mode (as opposed
to V.120 mode) with the appropriate bonding/MLPPP options for the appropriate
number of channels and the convention your ISP supports. Crank up pppd with
115200 for the baud (Hope you got a 16550A in da box) and turn chat loose
with the dial in stuff. Works greats. I have a hell of a lot easier time
configuring Linux to work ISDN over the Bitsurfer than Windows!
> Robert
>
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
> System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
>
> Email:
> Robert at ast.lmco.com
> http://www.orci.com/~nomad
>
> DISCLAIMER:
> These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
>
> perl -e 'print
> $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
>
>
--
Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw at WittsEnd.com
(The Mad Wizard) | (770) 925-8248 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/
NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all
PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it!
From paranoia at discom.net Sat Jul 5 23:55:41 1997
From: paranoia at discom.net (Dave Brooks)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 23:55:41 -0400
Subject: [ale] ANSI
Message-ID:
Can anyone tell me how to make the ANSI escape characters for making
ANSI color such as ^[[31;2 ? I would like to know greatly. Thank
you!
-dave
--
Dave Brooks
paranoia at trusted.net
root at paranoia.discom.net
--"Go Faster Jimmy!!" "I can't Jen! It's a GEO!"--
From dwt at atlanta.com Sun Jul 6 11:48:44 1997
From: dwt at atlanta.com (Doug Todd)
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 11:48:44 -0400
Subject: [ale] Diskless
Message-ID:
Hello Everyone:
Has anyone had success with diskless PC's. I am trying to get
my second computer to run diskless, and am having some
trouble.
I'm able to get the kernel to load, and decompress, INET starts
to run, but the shared libraries arn't available. -- Seems we
have a chicken and the Egg problem. Need to find some way
to get the library cash file pointing to the right file system
for the client.
Also, Is there any way to not have extra copies of the binaries
laying around, Curently I have an entrie file system for the client
on the server. Would like to share as many of the binaries as possible.
Does anyone know what the minimun file system is ? How thin can the
client file system be? Right now, I'd be happy with a root prompt
on the client.
Currently running Redhat 4.2.
Thanks Much
Doug.
From byron at cc.gatech.edu Sun Jul 6 13:28:25 1997
From: byron at cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 13:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Diskless
Message-ID: <199707061728.NAA10573@gemini.cc.gatech.edu.18>
>
> Hello Everyone:
>
> Has anyone had success with diskless PC's. I am trying to get
> my second computer to run diskless, and am having some
> trouble.
Not completely diskless. I've been working with NFS and Ramdisk filesystems
over the last few months. I've been booting either from the local harddisk
or floppy. Completely diskless operation requires a network loader on the
EPROM of the netcard. They exist but I haven't dealt with them yet.
Tell us about the configuration of both your PC's and how you are trying
to get diskless operation from the second machine.
>
> I'm able to get the kernel to load, and decompress, INET starts
> to run, but the shared libraries arn't available. -- Seems we
> have a chicken and the Egg problem. Need to find some way
> to get the library cash file pointing to the right file system
> for the client.
It seems a NFS root filesystem would help here. You can create an entire
filesystem on your primary machine and use NFS to serve that filesystem.
Check out the nfsroot.txt file in the kernel's Documentation directory.
>
> Also, Is there any way to not have extra copies of the binaries
> laying around, Curently I have an entrie file system for the client
> on the server. Would like to share as many of the binaries as possible.
Usually the /usr filesystem is completely sharable. Many systems (such as X)
will create links into the /var filesystem for system dependant stuff. You
can make /usr read-only and have multiple systems access it with no problems.
>
> Does anyone know what the minimun file system is ? How thin can the
> client file system be? Right now, I'd be happy with a root prompt
> on the client.
Start with an install rootdisk. It'll give you that prompt. Unfortunately
most of those are still a.out executables and libs. I believe that the
latest DLX single disk rootdisk is ELF based.
Hope this helps,
BAJ
From geof at denali Sun Jul 6 23:44:25 1997
From: geof at denali (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 23:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] ANSI
Message-ID: <199707070344.XAA01240@denali.19>
}
}Can anyone tell me how to make the ANSI escape characters for making
}ANSI color such as ^[[31;2 ? I would like to know greatly. Thank
}you!
In 'vi' you can 'create' the ^[ by depressing control-v, holding it and
then depressing the '['
This works for any control character. For example ^M is:
control-v M
You can also do it by printing the hex value of the character via awk, shell,
perl, (choose your toy....)
}
}-dave
}
}--
}Dave Brooks
}paranoia at trusted.net
}root at paranoia.discom.net
}--"Go Faster Jimmy!!" "I can't Jen! It's a GEO!"--
}
--
Until later:
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Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net Mon Jul 7 08:47:33 1997
From: csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net (Curt Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:47:33 -0400
Subject: [ale] ppp to gridnet.com, No pkt forwarding after ppp-up ?
Message-ID: <199707070344.XAA01240@denali.20>
>Hi,
I've not been able to resolve this problem so I'm hoping someone else
has seen this:
>I'm trying to use my companies ISP / backbone provider, gridnet.com, with my
red hat / pppd 2.2.0f-3. I'm suspecting that their PPP setup technology
requires some
step that Linux'es ppp does not support, (guessing) that sets pkt
forwarding on
the _distant_ end, plus the other well known MS-PPP feature not
supported by linux'es ppp
of configuring the near end (my box) DNS server IP address.
>
>FYI, other win95 users claim no problem useing this ISP...
>
>My boxes PPP and default route sets up fine, but the ISP/terminal server side
>does not forward my IP packets to their gateway.
I do have the correct default route on my box, set with the dynamic IP
address.
>
>As a result, I can just telnet / see the IP address on the other end of my
>PPP link, which
>gets me the very simple login on their terminal server.
>From the ISP's terminal server I can telnet from there to anyplace
>on the net, like my work boxes but...
>
>Any ideas?
>
>
>
>Curt Smith
>csmith at viewcall.net
>770-729-2929 x248
>
From docdtv at mindspring.com Mon Jul 7 10:12:05 1997
From: docdtv at mindspring.com (R I Feigenblatt)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 10:12:05 -0400
Subject: [ale] consolidation of Intel-platform UNIX
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970707101205.0069eca8@pop.mindspring.com.21>
http://www.techweb.com/wire/news/jul/0705ibmsco.html
reports that:
"IBM joins a list of companies that includes
Compaq, Data General, ICL, NCR, Olivetti,
Siemens Nixdorf, Unisys, and Intel that have
signed on to support UnixWare." And SCO,
owner of UnixWare, is working with HP on a
follow-on called Gemini II. "...With IBM on
board, almost all of the major proprietary
Unix vendors running on Intel platforms have
rallied under the SCO banner."
A little history. AT&T, originator of Unix, spun off
this property as Unix Systems Lab a few years back.
The company was acquired by Novell, which eventually
sold it to SCO, the Santa Cruz Operation. Many years
ago, SCO acquired Microsoft's first operating system
-no, not DOS, but their version of Unix, called XENIX.
XENIX overwhelmed the early PCs and saw little success.
Microsoft eventually bought about 20% of SCO as well.
Ron Feigenblatt
From quynh at cc.gatech.edu Mon Jul 7 17:32:00 1997
From: quynh at cc.gatech.edu (Huong Q. Dinh)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:32:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Driver for Diamond Virge 3D card
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.22>
Hello everyone,
I'm a novice to Linux, and not much more than a novice to Unix.
I've successfully (I think) installed Linux on my Pentium Pro machine,
but now I'm having troubles with getting X-Windows to run. Basically,
I think I have a driver problem. I've been playing with the XF86Config file
trying to get the right chipset and dot-clock for my Diamond Virge 3D
graphics card. However, I get the feeling that the driver for this card did not come
with the Slackware Linux installation. The Virge 3D card is a fairly new card, I believe.
It has 4M EDO RAM, and I think (though not absolutely positive), it also goes by the
name Stealth 3D 2000 Series. I'm not positive because on the packing slip of my computer
it is called the Virge 3D graphics card. At the Diamond web site, however, there is no
such card, but there is a Stealth 3D 2000 card that uses the S3-ViRGE graphics controller,
and so, I think that this is the same card. In addition, according to Diamond's publicity
postings, it was packaged with the Millenia computer systems which is my system.
I also called Micron, and they said the name of the chipset is s3virge.
I ran the X -showconfig command to see the drivers for the chipsets that are included in
the installation. I did not see s3virge. Does anyone have any information on where I
might find drivers for this graphics card or how I can get X-Windows to run with it?
Perhaps it is possible to use the driver of another of the Diamond cards?
Please help, thanks in advance,
- Quynh.
From barcode at mindspring.com Mon Jul 7 23:11:29 1997
From: barcode at mindspring.com (Bryan Moorehead)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:11:29 -0400
Subject: [ale] Dialing into Linux
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.23>
Let me start by saying that I actually got this to work on a SCO Unix
box not too long ago, but I had time on my hands and manuals IN my
hands. I want to be able to dial into my Linux box at home using
Procomm or perhaps Dejawin (if it will work with Linux). I'm new to
Linux, but I'm pretty sure that I will have to fiddle with cu and getty.
Since I don't have a decent Linux book (yet), can someone point me in
the right direction? I am using Red Hat Release 4.1 Kernel 2.0.27.
ANY advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You
Bryan Moorehead
From dmount at itserve.com Mon Jul 7 23:35:23 1997
From: dmount at itserve.com (Dan Mount)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:35:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Dialing into Linux
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.24>
On 08-Jul-97 Bryan Moorehead wrote:
>Let me start by saying that I actually got this to work on a SCO Unix
>box not too long ago, but I had time on my hands and manuals IN my
>hands. I want to be able to dial into my Linux box at home using
>Procomm or perhaps Dejawin (if it will work with Linux). I'm new to
>Linux, but I'm pretty sure that I will have to fiddle with cu and getty.
>Since I don't have a decent Linux book (yet), can someone point me in
>the right direction? I am using Red Hat Release 4.1 Kernel 2.0.27.
>ANY advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank You
> Bryan Moorehead
Check out
mgetty (http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/networking/communication/modem/mgetty/) it
is great for handling modems... It works great and solved a TON of problems
that I was having with dialin modems... Hope this helps...
Email me if you have any questions about it...
--- Dan Mount ---
--- dmount at itserve.com ---
From kachline at cc.gatech.edu Tue Jul 8 00:52:24 1997
From: kachline at cc.gatech.edu (Mike Kachline)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:52:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Driver for Diamond Virge 3D card
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.25>
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Huong Q. Dinh wrote:
> trying to get the right chipset and dot-clock for my Diamond Virge 3D
> graphics card. However, I get the feeling that the driver for this card did not come
> with the Slackware Linux installation. The Virge 3D card is a fairly new card, I believe.
Right you probably are. I've got a stealth 3d 3000 (S3 Virge
Chipset) which didn't work out of the box with slackware 3.2 (or below).
However, some time ago (must have been at least 6 months ago or so) just
before X 3.2 went out for beta, there were a slew of similar problems, at
least for the 3d 3000 series of chips (though, I thought that 3d 2000's
didn't have any problems) posted to the newsgroups. Somebody (I think one
of the writers of the XF86S3V server) posted a quick hack to get the,
then current server to work. I still have (and run) this version of X
with no problems. If you wish, download them from my box at:
ftp://brightstar.gt.ed.net/linux/X32S3V.tgz and
ftp://brightstar.gt.ed.net/linux/X.patch
At the time, I got these directly from www.xfree86.org/, but, again, I
had to search around dejanews to find them.
Do the following from here..
#cp X32S3V.tgz /tmp
#cd /tmp
#tar -xzvf X32S3V.tgz
#cp /usr/X11/bin/XF86_S3V /usr/X11/bin/XF86_S3V.old
#cp ./bin/XF86_S3V /usr/X11/bin
#chmod +x X.patch
#X.patch
From here, you should see some basic messages telling you that
your "X" link has been recreated to XF86_S3V.patched. From there, you
should be able to use this new server as you would hope. You might want
to "mv /usr/X11/bin/XF86_S3V.patched /usr/X11/bin/XF86_S3V" s.t. your X
configuration scripts (such as xf86config) will be able to use the new
server.
Mail me if you have any questions,
- Mike
============================================================================
Michael Kachline - CS, Georgia Tech
kachline at cc.gatech.edu
http://brightstar.gt.ed.net/kachline/
============================================================================
From sspoon at clemson.edu Tue Jul 8 04:51:23 1997
From: sspoon at clemson.edu (Lex Spoon)
Date: 8 Jul 1997 08:51:23 -0000
Subject: [ale] Driver for Diamond Virge 3D card
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.26>
I've got an S3-Virge (specifically Stealth 3D 2000 w/ 2MB RAM).
XFree86 version 3.3 is working quite nicely, offering lots of choice of
bpp (though the README's say that 16 bpp (or is it 15?) is the fastest).
I'm using the new S3V support built into the SVGA driver.
I know of two limitations:
a) It does NO 3D stuff, though the XFree people certainly seem
aware of the potential
b) When you switch to a text mode screen, there is a small blue square
on the screen where you can't see the text. Not a problem if you
don't use text mode :)
There is still a specific S3V server outside of the SVGA server, but I
haven't tried it. The README's make it sound like the seperate server is
going to disappear in future versions.
Hope this helps someone,
Lex
From robert at ast.lmco.com Tue Jul 8 13:37:57 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:37:57 -0600
Subject: [ale] Questions
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.27>
Anyone know the device number for a scsi cdrom? According to
/proc/devices, the major should be 11, but what is the minor?
Robert
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Email:
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DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Tue Jul 8 13:56:55 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 13:56:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Questions
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.28>
0 for the first one, 1 for the second, etc...
/usr/src/linux/Documentations/devices.txt
On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> Anyone know the device number for a scsi cdrom? According to
> /proc/devices, the major should be 11, but what is the minor?
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From zot at crl.com Tue Jul 8 18:08:44 1997
From: zot at crl.com (Zot O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:08:44 -0700
Subject: [ale] Dialing into Linux
Message-ID: <199707072132.RAA23141@gaia.cc.gatech.edu.29>
Bryan Moorehead wrote:
> but I'm pretty sure that I will have to fiddle with cu and
> getty.
Close
> Since I don't have a decent Linux book (yet), can someone point me in
> the right direction?
www.linux.org
It is all in there.
In a nutshell:
A process must run that examines the control lines of a serial port. It
must setup the Modem and respond to an incoming call. This process is
getty (mgetty or getty_ps either will work, mgetty has fax and voice in
it, getty_ps seems to be the fav of ISPs).
Getty is run from inittab (init)
Getty then answers the phone and calls "login" with the login name.
90% of the problems will be you screwing up one of the setup files. 70%
of that will be gettydefs.
It does work, keep telling yourself that. When you are done you will
not understand why it was so difficult, it seems so easy in retrospect.
Zot
From jbayes at cc.gatech.edu Tue Jul 8 20:52:46 1997
From: jbayes at cc.gatech.edu (Joe Bayes)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:52:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] module symbols don't match
Message-ID: <199707090052.UAA21928@peachtree.cc.gatech.edu.30>
I think I've seen the answer to this somewhere, but now that I need it
I can't seem to find it.
When I boot up, I get a bunch of messages about how my module symbols
(from linux-2.0.18) don't match my linux-2.0.18.
In /var/log/messages, I find the following:
Jul 7 21:55:05 spoo kernel: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Jul 7 21:55:05 spoo kernel: Adding Swap: 66488k swap-space
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: register_snap_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: register_8022_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: unregister_snap_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: make_EII_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: register_8022tr_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: unregister_8022tr_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: unregister_8022_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: make_8023_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: destroy_8023_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: call_out_firewall: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: call_fw_firewall: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: call_in_firewall: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: destroy_EII_client: wrong version or undefined
Jul 7 21:55:08 spoo insmod: Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.18) don't match your linux-2.0.18
my /etc/conf.modules is the following:
alias scsi_hostadapter 53c7,8xx
alias eth0 3c59x
# loaf ftape/zftape automatically
alias char-major-27 zftape
pre-install ftape /sbin/swapout 10
I'm running RedHat 4.0.
depmod -a gives me:
spoo:/lib/modules/2.0.18# depmod -a
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/ext.o
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/hpfs.o
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/ncpfs.o
[ approx. 50 lines snipped ]
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/ipv4/ip_alias.o
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/ipv4/ipip.o
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/ipv4/rarp.o
*** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/default/misc/iBCS
spoo:/lib/modules/2.0.18#
1) What can I do to halt the spewage of error messages?
2) Is it possible that this spewage is what's making it impossible for
me to: a) use the auto-module-loader to load ftape?
(I can load it fine with insmod, though.)
b) use insmod to load zftape? (I get a whole bunch of
"foo undefined" messages and "Loading failed! The
module symbols (from linux-2.0.18) don't match your linux-2.0.18".)
c) use tar to write to my travan drive? (I get an I/O Error.)
If somebody could point me in the right direction, I can probably
figure it out from there.
Thanks a bundle.
--joe
From lanar at roman.net Wed Jul 9 00:28:13 1997
From: lanar at roman.net (lanar)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 00:28:13 -0400
Subject: [ale] module symbols don't match
Message-ID: <199707090052.UAA21928@peachtree.cc.gatech.edu.31>
Joe Bayes wrote:
>
> I think I've seen the answer to this somewhere, but now that I need it
> I can't seem to find it.
>
> When I boot up, I get a bunch of messages about how my module symbols
> (from linux-2.0.18) don't match my linux-2.0.18.
> In /var/log/messages, I find the following:
Well 'recording' to RedHat on the erratica, the problem arises when you
build a new kernal. Before you make a make modules; make
modules_install, rename the directory /lib/modules/2.0.18 and then
install the modules. that should take care of the spew of bad symbols. I
would recomend that you upgrade to at lease the kernel version 2.0.27
(it fixes several of the networking bugs [the ping o death for one].
>
> depmod -a gives me:
> spoo:/lib/modules/2.0.18# depmod -a
> *** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/ext.o
> *** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/hpfs.o
> *** Unresolved symbols in module /lib/modules/2.0.18/fs/ncpfs.o
as for the other problems, I have no clue
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Wed Jul 9 10:00:18 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] July Meeting Notice
Message-ID: <199707091400.KAA12960@smtp.automatedlogic.com.32>
ALE - July meeting notice.
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Come and join your fellow Linux Enthusiasts
for another high-spirited meeting.
Thursday 10 July
7:00 PM
Georgia Tech College of Computing
Room 17
****************************************************
THIS MONTH: (July)
C Style
by Danny Cox
When you're writing a program, to whom are you
writing? I maintain that your intended audience
is the maintenance programmer, who must interpret
your intentions perhaps two years from now. Knowing
your future readers helps your style today. I will
give examples of code I have encountered, and point
out ways to improve it, offering style tips
throughout.
****************************************************
NEXT MONTH: (August)
Will Young will be speaking on Tcl/TK.
****************************************************
For more info, visit the ALE web page:
NOTE: This message has been composed and sent via elm
on a Linux machine to keep Steve DuChene from going
ballistic.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From kachline at cc.gatech.edu Wed Jul 9 12:51:27 1997
From: kachline at cc.gatech.edu (Mike Kachline)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:51:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Driver for Diamond Virge 3D card
Message-ID: <199707091400.KAA12960@smtp.automatedlogic.com.33>
> formulas given in the docs. The screen size I get seems to be ok, but
> there is a HIGH amound of flicker, and my mouse doesn't seem to be
> manuveuring corectly. These are probably separate problems, but I'm
I am using a logitech mouseman (through com1) and your standard
plain-jane SVGA 14" Vesa monitor, and can run X at 1024x768x[8 16]bpp
with no real degradation. As far as my configuration, I opted to not
spend hours tweaking my XF86Config file, and just used XF86Setup to set
me up. I will, however, mail you my XF86Config.
- Mike
============================================================================
Michael Kachline - CS, Georgia Tech
kachline at cc.gatech.edu
http://brightstar.gt.ed.net/kachline/
============================================================================
From paranoia at discom.net Wed Jul 9 19:14:11 1997
From: paranoia at discom.net (Dave Brooks)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 19:14:11 -0400
Subject: [ale] Kernel Composition
Message-ID: <199707091400.KAA12960@smtp.automatedlogic.com.34>
I was trying to compile someone's kernel today, and I ran across this
strange situation. Please read:
I set the symlinks:
cd /usr/include
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux
ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi
Then, i returned to /usr/src/linux, and continued with a 'make
mrproper' and at the very end it gave me this:
rm -f include/asm
rm: include/asm: is a directory
make: *** [mrproper] Error 1
When I try to continue with 'make menuconfig', it gives me the same
error. Any thoughts?
-dave
--
Dave Brooks
paranoia at trusted.net
root at paranoia.discom.net
--"Go Faster Jimmy!!" "I can't Maude! It's a GEO!"--
From dmount at itserve.com Thu Jul 10 11:35:07 1997
From: dmount at itserve.com (Dan Mount)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Cursors under X
Message-ID: <199707091400.KAA12960@smtp.automatedlogic.com.35>
I'm trying to change my default X cursor (when the pointer ends up outside of
all of the windows). I know the I can do this with xsetroot -cursor _______.
What I don't know is where to find the names of the available cursors. Does
anyone know where to find that?
--- Dan Mount ---
--- dmount at itserve.com ---
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Thu Jul 10 11:46:23 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:46:23 EDT
Subject: [ale] Cursors under X
Message-ID: <199707101549.IAA20060@relay.hp.com.36>
Dan Mount asked about definitions of cursor shapes for X:
Look in
/usr/X11R6/include/cursorfont.h
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From lfs at eskimo.com Thu Jul 10 18:50:03 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:50:03 -0700
Subject: [ale] Some Interesting news
Message-ID: <199707101549.IAA20060@relay.hp.com.37>
Chris Hagen, a journalist and Linux user, gave
me this bit of news today. Sounds promising.
> I have some news you can give at ALE tonight. Corel this month will release
> WordPerfect Suite 7 for Linux. They will be doing the sells and support now
> instead of Caldera. They have seen a Linux market. They will also soon
> release a Linux version of Corel Draw 7. Netscape is also going to start
> selling the Enterprise server for Linux as well as Communicator.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From lfs at eskimo.com Thu Jul 10 18:50:03 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:50:03 -0700
Subject: [ale] Some Interesting news
Message-ID: <199707101549.IAA20060@relay.hp.com.38>
Chris Hagen, a journalist and Linux user, gave
me this bit of news today. Sounds promising.
> I have some news you can give at ALE tonight. Corel this month will release
> WordPerfect Suite 7 for Linux. They will be doing the sells and support now
> instead of Caldera. They have seen a Linux market. They will also soon
> release a Linux version of Corel Draw 7. Netscape is also going to start
> selling the Enterprise server for Linux as well as Communicator.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From mir at oisp.gsu.edu Thu Jul 10 16:26:14 1997
From: mir at oisp.gsu.edu (Mir Shafiqul Islam)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Xdm, shadow password
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.39>
I have shadow suite installed. I would like to know if there is xdm
available that supports shadow passwd. I have redhat 4.1 kernel
2.0.27 xfree 3.2.
--
Mir S Islam
Systems Administrator
Office of International Services and Programs
Georgia State University
mir at gsu.edu
From lfs at eskimo.com Thu Jul 10 19:36:08 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:36:08 -0700
Subject: [ale] Eating before the meeting.
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.40>
Just wondering if anybody wanted to meet at Lil' Dino's
for a quick bite to eat before the meeting... say 6?
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From tlewis at mindspring.net Thu Jul 10 16:31:45 1997
From: tlewis at mindspring.net (Todd Graham Lewis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Cursors under X
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.41>
On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Steven A. Duchene wrote:
> Dan Mount asked about definitions of cursor shapes for X:
>
> Look in
> /usr/X11R6/include/cursorfont.h
Steve, oh master of all that is arcane and unknown about X, might you
compose a "101 Useless X Tricks" list for those of us who wish to use
obscure and arcane X features, but don't know what they are?
I for one would love to have such a document handy.
--
Todd Graham Lewis Manager of Web Engineering MindSpring Enterprises
(800) 719-4664, x2804 Linux! tlewis at mindspring.net
From tlewis at mindspring.net Thu Jul 10 17:06:09 1997
From: tlewis at mindspring.net (Todd Graham Lewis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Cursors under X
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.42>
Here's a little shell script which allows you to cycle through all the
cursors, allowing you to pick the one you like:
#!/bin/sh
grep XC /usrX11R6/include/X11/cursorfont.h | \
awk 'sub("XC_",""){print $2}' | \
while read cursor
do;
xsetroot -cursor_name $cursor
echo $cursor
read j
done
xsetroot -cursorname arror
# EOF
--
Todd Graham Lewis Manager of Web Engineering MindSpring Enterprises
(800) 719-4664, x2804 Linux! tlewis at mindspring.net
From tlewis at mindspring.net Thu Jul 10 19:34:09 1997
From: tlewis at mindspring.net (Todd Graham Lewis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 19:34:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Tonight's meeting
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.43>
Sorry I couldn't make it; my brother's coming into town and I have to wait
for him at my apartment.
I'm sure someone will drink a beer for me. 8^)
--
Todd Graham Lewis Manager of Web Engineering MindSpring Enterprises
(800) 719-4664, x2804 Linux! tlewis at mindspring.net
From dhamm at itserve.com Fri Jul 11 08:04:43 1997
From: dhamm at itserve.com (David Hamm)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] cheep dat tape changer
Message-ID: <199707102026.QAA26557@oisp.gsu.edu.44>
At last nights meeting Steve D. talked about a place on the web where you
could get a dat tape changer cheep. Can someone send me that url?
------ David Hamm - dhamm at itserve.com --------
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Fri Jul 11 04:11:54 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:11:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Some Interesting news
Message-ID: <199707110811.IAA10178@ricker.gt.ed.net.45>
On 10 Jul, Andrew Newton wrote:
> Chris Hagen, a journalist and Linux user, gave
>> I have some news you can give at ALE tonight. Corel this month will release
>> WordPerfect Suite 7 for Linux. They will be doing the sells and support now
>> instead of Caldera. They have seen a Linux market. They will also soon
>> release a Linux version of Corel Draw 7. Netscape is also going to start
>> selling the Enterprise server for Linux as well as Communicator.
That would be good news! I seriously doubt it'll be any more than just
WP 7, as the rest of the suite has not been ported.
In the mean time, you can download WP 7 from http://www.sdcorp.com.
They're the people that do all of Corel's Unix work for them, and
they've had the Linux WP ready for maybe four months now. They've just
been waiting for Corel to decide how / if to sell it.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Fri Jul 11 04:17:13 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:17:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Xdm, shadow password
Message-ID: <199707110817.IAA10259@ricker.gt.ed.net.46>
On 10 Jul, Mir Shafiqul Islam wrote:
> I have shadow suite installed. I would like to know if there is xdm
> available that supports shadow passwd. I have redhat 4.1 kernel
> 2.0.27 xfree 3.2.
RedHat 4.2 with their XFree86 3.3 should be pamified if you feel like
upgrading (note: haven't tried myself, as I don't use xdm). I don't
recall if their 3.2 packages were.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net Fri Jul 11 08:30:18 1997
From: csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net (Curt Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 08:30:18 -0400
Subject: [ale] cheep dat tape changer
Message-ID: <199707110817.IAA10259@ricker.gt.ed.net.47>
>At last nights meeting Steve D. talked about a place on the web where you
>could get a dat tape changer cheep. Can someone send me that url?
FYI: I bought a newish HP???? 4mm DAT drive for $400 out of one of the
misc.forsale.*.storage news groups. I've seen WangDat/HP/Archive std
2g DAT drives for as low as $350. Compressing 4G drives for a little
more.
New HP 4Gb drives via your Comercial / wholsaler are in the $520 range.
Good luck.
cs
From jmunster at mindspring.com Fri Jul 11 09:39:08 1997
From: jmunster at mindspring.com (Jay Munsterman)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:39:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Some Interesting news
Message-ID: <199707110817.IAA10259@ricker.gt.ed.net.48>
Hello.
I tried out the beta a while ago, and I quite liked it. But wasn't that
a timed copy? I thought it expired after a couple of weeks.
Thanks
Jay
On 11-Jul-97 gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu wrote:
>On 10 Jul, Andrew Newton wrote:
>> Chris Hagen, a journalist and Linux user, gave
>>> I have some news you can give at ALE tonight. Corel this month will release
>>> WordPerfect Suite 7 for Linux. They will be doing the sells and support now
>>> instead of Caldera. They have seen a Linux market. They will also soon
>>> release a Linux version of Corel Draw 7. Netscape is also going to start
>>> selling the Enterprise server for Linux as well as Communicator.
>
>That would be good news! I seriously doubt it'll be any more than just
>WP 7, as the rest of the suite has not been ported.
>
>In the mean time, you can download WP 7 from http://www.sdcorp.com.
>They're the people that do all of Corel's Unix work for them, and
>they've had the Linux WP ready for maybe four months now. They've just
>been waiting for Corel to decide how / if to sell it.
>
>later,
>chris
>
>--
>Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
----------------------------------
E-Mail: Jay Munsterman
Date: 11-Jul-97
Time: 09:39:11
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From bryan at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 11 10:18:35 1997
From: bryan at cc.gatech.edu (Bryan E. Rank)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:18:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] The Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide
Message-ID: <199707110817.IAA10259@ricker.gt.ed.net.49>
Hi,
Someone asked about PAM documentation the ale meeting last night, I
don't know who asked for it so I will just post these URLs:
The Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide
http://www.math.muni.cz/linux/Linux-PAM/html/
The stuff from the redhat pages
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/RHL-4.1-Users-Guide-HTML/manual/doc071.html
Bryan
From robert at ast.lmco.com Fri Jul 11 14:41:03 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:41:03 -0600
Subject: [ale] dosemu
Message-ID: <199707110817.IAA10259@ricker.gt.ed.net.50>
Ok,
I got dosemu mounting my drives coreectly and I can run
a game as a test. It's a dos4g game. After about 30secs
it gives memory errors and such then crashes, Anyone have any
ideas?
Robert
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From hoppe at mindspring.com Fri Jul 11 23:02:45 1997
From: hoppe at mindspring.com (Rob Hoppe)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:02:45 -0400
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970712030245.0068d54c@pop.mindspring.com.51>
>Return-Path:
>Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:26:57 -0400
>From: Hal Davison
>Organization: Davison Consulting
>To: caldera-users at caldera.com
>Subject: Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
>Sender: owner-caldera-users at caldera.com
>Reply-To: caldera-users at caldera.com
>
>Greetings !!
>
>You want a Win95 interface to linux ??
>
>Send e-mail to leigh.dworkin at isinc.insignia.com
>
>Leigh is the product manager for the SoftWin95 product. We can go a long
>way to implementing a driver for linux if EACH of us send e-mail to the
>person above.
>
>According to the person I chatted with, they consider each e-mail to
>represent 100 potential users.
>
>I've sent mine,
>
>--Hal.
>
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
Rob Hoppe 770-995-5099 pager 770-318-2104
hoppe at mindspring.com FAX 770-338-5885
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From geof at denali Fri Jul 11 23:42:44 1997
From: geof at denali (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 23:42:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95 (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707120342.XAA04831@denali.52>
Will it come with the 'out of memory' dialog box and slow the box to a crawl
so as to truly resemble Win95?
}>Greetings !!
}>
}>You want a Win95 interface to linux ??
}>
}>Send e-mail to leigh.dworkin at isinc.insignia.com
}>
}>Leigh is the product manager for the SoftWin95 product. We can go a long
}>way to implementing a driver for linux if EACH of us send e-mail to the
}>person above.
}>
}>According to the person I chatted with, they consider each e-mail to
}>represent 100 potential users.
}>
}>I've sent mine,
}>
}>--Hal.
}>
}_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
}Rob Hoppe 770-995-5099 pager 770-318-2104
}hoppe at mindspring.com FAX 770-338-5885
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}
}
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From paranoia at discom.net Sat Jul 12 04:24:23 1997
From: paranoia at discom.net (Dave Brooks)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 03:24:23 -0500
Subject: [ale] LILO...?
Message-ID: <199707120342.XAA04831@denali.53>
ALE-
Ok, I just installed slackware 3.2. The only problem is, that when my
system boots, it give me a "LILO" and thats it. It dosent give me a
chance to even type 'win' so i can boot to Windoze. (in my old version
of RedHat I got a LILO boot: prompt, at which I could actually type).
Is there anything in /etc/lilo.conf I can edit to change this?
regards
-dave
--
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paranoia at trusted.net
root at paranoia.discom.net
--"Go Faster Jimmy!!" "I can't Jen! It's a GEO!"--
From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Thu Jul 10 23:50:35 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie hubbard)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 23:50:35 -0400
Subject: [ale] netscape 4.0b5 messages
Message-ID: <199707120342.XAA04831@denali.54>
I'm getting some unresolved symbol messages when I start up netscape.
Does anyone else get
these messages?
netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreateForm'
netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreatePushButton'
netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmStringFree'
From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 05:02:01 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 05:02:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] LILO...?
Message-ID: <199707120342.XAA04831@denali.55>
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997, Dave Brooks wrote:
> ALE-
>
> Ok, I just installed slackware 3.2. The only problem is, that when my
> system boots, it give me a "LILO" and thats it. It dosent give me a
> chance to even type 'win' so i can boot to Windoze. (in my old version
> of RedHat I got a LILO boot: prompt, at which I could actually type).
> Is there anything in /etc/lilo.conf I can edit to change this?
You can do two things. Leave it the way it is, and when you machine
boots up just press shift. That will stop it from booting to the default
OS. TAB and ? will list your possible choices.
OR
You can change this by changing lilo.conf so that there is no default
boot up. Right now you should have a something like this:
# LILO configuration file
append="ramdisk aha152x=0x340,11,7,1 hd=2100,16,63 hd=1056,16,63"
boot = /dev/hda
delay = 50 <----This is the line to delete. Then put prompt here
vga = normal # force sane state
ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting
# End LILO global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /zImage
root = /dev/hdb2
label = linux
read-only
Take out the line that says delay= and replace it with prompt. Then you
will be asked for which image to boot from. Re-run lilo and now your
computer will wait.
Charles Hubbard
Internet: charlie at felix.cc.gatech.edu
". . .the pope talks a lot about sex, of which he knows nothing. . ."
- Robert Anton Wilson
". . .Some used the problems to criticize the company's Web server
software. 'Maybe they should have bought Linux,'" --anon
From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 11 03:23:05 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie hubbard)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 03:23:05 -0400
Subject: [ale] Selecting subnet IP's
Message-ID: <199707120342.XAA04831@denali.56>
I have two computers networked at my house, and I was wondering what
IP's are usually
used for a subnet so it won't interfer with the outside network?
thanks
charlie
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 03:54:36 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 07:54:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] netscape 4.0b5 messages
Message-ID: <199707120754.HAA15975@ricker.gt.ed.net.57>
On 10 Jul, charlie hubbard wrote:
> I'm getting some unresolved symbol messages when I start up netscape.
> Does anyone else get
> these messages?
>
> netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreateForm'
> netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreatePushButton'
> netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmStringFree'
They're from the libnullplugin.so (or whatever it's called; I always
just delete mine). If you're dying to have that functionless plugin,
you can preload motif before running Netscape and the symbols will
resolve....
On a vaguely related topic, I noticed that Netscape 4.01b6 finally came
with a version dynamically linked with Motif. Unfortunately, it's
linked to 1.2 and I have 2.0. Has anyone had success running that with
lesstif?
later,
chris
--
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From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 03:58:24 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 07:58:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Some Interesting news
Message-ID: <199707120758.HAA16000@ricker.gt.ed.net.58>
On 11 Jul, Jay Munsterman wrote:
> Hello.
> I tried out the beta a while ago, and I quite liked it. But wasn't that
> a timed copy? I thought it expired after a couple of weeks.
> Thanks
> Jay
Yeah, of course it's a time-limited release (15 days). Did you really
expect them to just give it away?
It's not exactly a beta, however--Sdcorp's been through for several
months now. It's the same code you'll get if Corel ever decides they
can make a profit selling it.
later,
chris
--
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From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 04:08:50 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:08:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] The Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide
Message-ID: <199707120808.IAA16059@ricker.gt.ed.net.59>
On 11 Jul, Bryan E. Rank wrote:
> Hi,
> Someone asked about PAM documentation the ale meeting last night, I
> don't know who asked for it so I will just post these URLs:
>
> The Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide
> http://www.math.muni.cz/linux/Linux-PAM/html/
>
> The stuff from the redhat pages
> http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/rhl/RHL-4.1-Users-Guide-HTML/manual/doc071.html
Also look at Andrew Morgan's pages
http://parc.power.net/morgan/Linux-PAM/
Another good source is Christian Gafton's pages
http://www.sorosis.ro/~gafton/
If you get stuck, you might get an answer here. Some of us have fought
PAM and won ;-).
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From jmunster at mindspring.com Sat Jul 12 09:07:48 1997
From: jmunster at mindspring.com (Jay Munsterman)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Selecting subnet IP's
Message-ID: <199707120808.IAA16059@ricker.gt.ed.net.60>
Hello,
I use one of the subnets reserved for private use on networks not connected
to the internet.
192.168.*.*
Because my Linux box acts as a masquerading router, all my boxes get full
access without conflicts.
Later
jay
On 11-Jul-97 charlie hubbard wrote:
>I have two computers networked at my house, and I was wondering what
>IP's are usually
>used for a subnet so it won't interfer with the outside network?
>
>thanks
>charlie
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E-Mail: Jay Munsterman
Date: 12-Jul-97
Time: 09:07:48
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From mhw at wittsend.com Sat Jul 12 11:08:33 1997
From: mhw at wittsend.com (Michael H. Warfield)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 11:08:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] LILO...?
Message-ID:
Dave Brooks enscribed thusly:
> ALE-
> Ok, I just installed slackware 3.2. The only problem is, that when my
> system boots, it give me a "LILO" and thats it. It dosent give me a
> chance to even type 'win' so i can boot to Windoze. (in my old version
> of RedHat I got a LILO boot: prompt, at which I could actually type).
> Is there anything in /etc/lilo.conf I can edit to change this?
Tap either of your alt keys and you will get your prompt like
before. Better yet, get into Linux and edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the
line "prompt" into the global section. Then rerun lilo to install the
change. You now have the previos behavior.
> regards
> -dave
> --
> Dave Brooks
> paranoia at trusted.net
> root at paranoia.discom.net
> --"Go Faster Jimmy!!" "I can't Jen! It's a GEO!"--
Mike
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From dwt at atlanta.com Sat Jul 12 12:19:45 1997
From: dwt at atlanta.com (Doug Todd)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:19:45 -0400
Subject: [ale] Diskless
Message-ID:
Byron A Jeff wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello Everyone:
> >
> > Has anyone had success with diskless PC's. I am trying to get
> > my second computer to run diskless, and am having some
> > trouble.
>
> Not completely diskless. I've been working with NFS and Ramdisk filesystems
> over the last few months. I've been booting either from the local harddisk
> or floppy. Completely diskless operation requires a network loader on the
> EPROM of the netcard. They exist but I haven't dealt with them yet.
>
> Tell us about the configuration of both your PC's and how you are trying
> to get diskless operation from the second machine.
Sorry It has taken so long to reply !
The network is running with two NE2000 clones. The rom images can be
found in the net-boot-floppies-1.1. at
ftp.cc.gatech.edu/Linux/system/boot
I have NFS configured, and am exporting the tfptboot filesystem.
Eventually, I will want to use a diferent filesystem for the clients
root
directory, but er, I'm still trying to get it to work ->.
I have Bootp setup, tftp and Botop and NFS are running on the host.
Something strange happens with Bootp. The client get the right IP
adress, but
doesn't point to the root filesystem. It wants to set the root to
/tftpboot/tftpboot. If i manually set the rootfs and kernel options on
the
client, I can get the kernel to load.
Here's a copy of bootptab.
.default:\
:sm=255.255.255.0:\
:ds=192.168.0.1:\
:ht=ethernet:\
:bf=zImage:\
:rp=/tftpboot:\
:sa=192.168.0.1:\
:hn:to=-18000:
kim:ip=192.168.0.2:hd=/tftpboot:ha=0040053a0882:tc=.default
( the client's name is kim).
The kernel image was compiled with a.out, elf, and nfs support. When
the kernel loads, it is able to find the root file system on the host.
(/tftpboot/
In any case, once this is working, I plan to burn a EEPROM for the
client
side network card.
Doug.
From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 17:02:34 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 17:02:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] netscape 4.0b5 messages
Message-ID:
On Sat, 12 Jul 1997 gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu wrote:
> On 10 Jul, charlie hubbard wrote:
> > I'm getting some unresolved symbol messages when I start up netscape.
> > Does anyone else get
> > these messages?
> >
> > netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreateForm'
> > netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmCreatePushButton'
> > netscape: can't resolve symbol 'XmStringFree'
>
> They're from the libnullplugin.so (or whatever it's called; I always
> just delete mine). If you're dying to have that functionless plugin,
> you can preload motif before running Netscape and the symbols will
> resolve....
Can I still use the plugins that aren't the libnullplugin.so if I delete it?
I thought that netscape needed that plugin to use the other plugins?
thanks
charlie
Charles Hubbard
Internet: charlie at felix.cc.gatech.edu
". . .the pope talks a lot about sex, of which he knows nothing. . ."
- Robert Anton Wilson
". . .Some used the problems to criticize the company's Web server
software. 'Maybe they should have bought Linux,'" --anon
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Sat Jul 12 18:52:04 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] NT workstation to server
Message-ID:
Does anyone know what one has to do to make the above change? I was
getting into an argument over our nt server manager (about MS's licensing,
etc... vs. Linux) and wanted to show him this, as he says it is all
technical.
Thanks
--
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"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sat Jul 12 17:06:41 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:06:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] netscape 4.0b5 messages
Message-ID: <199707122106.VAA18942@ricker.gt.ed.net.65>
On 12 Jul, charlie wrote:
> Can I still use the plugins that aren't the libnullplugin.so if I delete it?
> I thought that netscape needed that plugin to use the other plugins?
Sure. I currently have 3 plugins (TCL, pdf, and PNG) and no
libnullplugin. If you get the unresolved symbols, it doesn't load
anyway. All deleting it does is free up a little space and remove some
error messages....
later,
chris
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From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sun Jul 13 03:24:35 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 07:24:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] NT workstation to server
Message-ID: <199707130724.HAA21695@ricker.gt.ed.net.66>
On 12 Jul, Dan Newcombe wrote:
> Does anyone know what one has to do to make the above change? I was
> getting into an argument over our nt server manager (about MS's licensing,
> etc... vs. Linux) and wanted to show him this, as he says it is all
> technical.
O'Reilly has a white paper out covering this (see
ftp://ftp.ora.com/pub/examples/windows/win95.update/ntwk4.html). The
relevant part:
NTS and NTW are distinguished with the following registry setting:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\ProductOptions\ProductType
This is a string value that is interpreted as follows:
Value Interpretation
"WinNT" NT Workstation
"ServerNT" NT Server
"LanmanNT" NT Advanced Server
(Important Note: Do NOT experiment with changing this setting to "LanmanNT"!)
...
Some Microsoft employees have privately admitted that the differences
between NTS and NTW 3.51 were minimal. However, they have gone on to claim
that now everything is different in version 4.0. We've already established
that in fact NTS 4.0 and NTW 4.0 have exactly the same kernel, and in fact
exactly the same of everything but the costly extras bundled in with NTS.
But what of the magical 3.51 "ProductType" registry setting? It's still
there, and it still plays the same role in 4.0 that it did in 3.51 in
distinguishing between the Server and Workstation modes (see table above).
Microsoft has merely added an additional registry setting, and made some
effort to prevent the user from changing these settings. The extra setting
is:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Setup\SystemPrefix
The SystemPrefix value is a binary value which the kernel treats as two
DWORDs, of which the only important piece of information seems to be the bit
represented by the mask 0x04000000 in the high-order DWORD. If ProductType
is "ServerNT" or "LanmanNT", then this bit must be set. If ProductType is
"WinNT" then the bit must be off (any inconsistency results in a blue-screen
error at system boot).
The system spawns two worker threads that watch for, and override, changes
to the two registry keys. If an attempt is made to change ProductType, the
threads changes the settings back (really! you can see this happen if you
manually refresh in REGEDT32) and pops up the following warning box:
"The system has detected tampering with your registered product type.
This is a violation of your software license. Tampering with product
type is not permitted."
However, if the worker threads are overriden,* then after making these
changes and rebooting, a formerly NTW 4.0 system functions as an NTS 4.0
system. The NET ACCOUNTS command reports "Computer Role: SERVER" and the
taskbar start menu's bitmap changes from "Windows NT Workstation" to
"Windows NT Server".
Eamonn Sullivan of PC Week has confirmed that, when an NTW machine is
tweaked via the registry into an NTS machine, web performance "tests on this
"altered" Workstation were identical (within the margin of error) to
Server." (See PC Week article, "Simple way found to turn NT Workstation into
Server.")
(end quote)
There are better instructions available (including at
http://www.ntinternals.com) and programs (NTTune.com). Most are currently
off-line for legal reasons, though ntinternals is supposed to be up
shortly....
If you're a warez dood, some of those sites will no doubt have
something.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From gvence at ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 13 10:26:25 1997
From: gvence at ix.netcom.com (Greg Vence)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 10:26:25 -0400
Subject: [ale] Dual Pentium Machines
Message-ID: <199707130724.HAA21695@ricker.gt.ed.net.67>
Hello,
Its time to upgrade... What dual Pentium machines do people like and
what have known problems? I looked in LDP and didn't see anything
regarding this topic.
Thanx -- Greg.
From nomad at orci.com Sun Jul 13 14:07:48 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:07:48 -0600
Subject: [ale] Dual Pentium Machines
Message-ID: <199707130724.HAA21695@ricker.gt.ed.net.68>
Greg Vence wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Its time to upgrade... What dual Pentium machines do people like and
> what have known problems? I looked in LDP and didn't see anything
> regarding this topic.
>
> Thanx -- Greg.
Greg,
I'm currently running a home-built dual. I use a Tyan Mother board
but I've also heard good things about "ASUS". You need to use Intel
chips as last I've heard, AMD doesn't conform to the multi-processor
specs. Also, you need to check 2 things on your chips whe you get them
the "S-Spec" number on the bottom of the chip. Also, there should be
another number, the bottom right of the underside of the chip. Mine
says
"VSS". It must end in S for standard. The other is "U" for
uniprocessor.
Don't forget to check the voltage on the board. My board is a little
older
and won't do dual 200MMX chips, but I can runn 166MMX or 200stnd.
The voltage regulators can't handle the extra power for the 200MMX.
Otherwise, mine runs great. The tyan boards only require you to change
one jumper to change it from single to dual processor if you want to go
that way, like I did.
Have Fun,
Robert
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System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
Email:
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http://www.orci.com/~nomad
DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From buggz at america.net Sun Jul 13 15:12:41 1997
From: buggz at america.net (buggz)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:12:41 -0400
Subject: [ale] Dual Pentium Machines
Message-ID: <199707130724.HAA21695@ricker.gt.ed.net.69>
> You need to use Intel
> chips as last I've heard, AMD doesn't conform to the multi-processor
> specs.
Well, they wont 'do' Intel's SMP specs.
Though AMD is releasing a new chipset soon, August I hear.
It will 'do' SMP via the OpenPIC way, instead of the proprietary Intel
way.
I'm awaiting my SMP mb, an ASUS P65UP5.
It has a CPU card, for ppro or pentiums.
I'm gettting the dual P5 riser card first.
Then when P6s are cheaper, maybe the dual P6 card.
Can harly wait, should be here this week!
--
Ed June
buggz at america.net
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Sun Jul 13 17:54:14 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:54:14 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] Dual Pentium Machines
Message-ID: <199707132154.PAA15936@rocky.orci.com.70>
>
> > You need to use Intel
> > chips as last I've heard, AMD doesn't conform to the multi-processor
> > specs.
>
>
>
> Well, they wont 'do' Intel's SMP specs.
> Though AMD is releasing a new chipset soon, August I hear.
> It will 'do' SMP via the OpenPIC way, instead of the proprietary Intel
> way.
>
> I'm awaiting my SMP mb, an ASUS P65UP5.
> It has a CPU card, for ppro or pentiums.
> I'm gettting the dual P5 riser card first.
> Then when P6s are cheaper, maybe the dual P6 card.
> Can harly wait, should be here this week!
>
How much does the ASUS run on average? I will be
building a second faster machine in the not too distant
future. That board will do P5 and 6 chips? Good news
about AMD, I prefer AMD chips anyway. I know their
K5 series had some nasty heat problems that they fixed
in the K6. Inteln on the other hand produced another
floating point bug and instead of fixing them, they're
gonna help programmers work around it.
Robert
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From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Mon Jul 14 01:50:24 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:50:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Broadway and Linux
Message-ID: <199707132154.PAA15936@rocky.orci.com.71>
I was looking around the Open Group's web page, and the X Constorium's
last spec was X11R6.3, but there are no X servers for linux that support
X11R6.3. MetroX, Accelerated X and Xfree support X11R6.1 When will
there be an X server for linux that supports Broadway?
The X Constorium said that X11R6.3 was the codename Broadway release
that incorporated the browser-centric design of X windows. I thought that Broadway was R7?! Is there going to be an R7?
thanks
charlie
Charles Hubbard
Internet: charlie at felix.cc.gatech.edu
". . .the pope talks a lot about sex, of which he knows nothing. . ."
- Robert Anton Wilson
". . .Some used the problems to criticize the company's Web server
software. 'Maybe they should have bought Linux,'" --anon
From byron at cc.gatech.edu Mon Jul 14 07:42:12 1997
From: byron at cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:42:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Broadway and Linux
Message-ID: <199707141142.HAA32590@gemini.cc.gatech.edu.72>
>
>
> I was looking around the Open Group's web page, and the X Constorium's
> last spec was X11R6.3, but there are no X servers for linux that support
> X11R6.3. MetroX, Accelerated X and Xfree support X11R6.1 When will
> there be an X server for linux that supports Broadway?
Sure about that? From the XFree86 3.3 documentation:
XFree86 is a port of X11R6.3 that supports several Unix and Unix-like
operating systems on Intel and other platforms. This release consists
of new features and performance improvements as well as many bug
fixes. The release is available as source patches against the X
Consortium X11R6.3 code, as well as binary distributions for many
architectures.
> The X Constorium said that X11R6.3 was the codename Broadway release
> that incorporated the browser-centric design of X windows. I thought that Broadway was R7?! Is there going to be an R7?
>
I'm not sure about Broadway in either the R6.3 or R7 context. XFree86 3.3
definitely is R6.3 though.
BAJ
From PWJ at newcomb-boyd.com Mon Jul 14 05:03:31 1997
From: PWJ at newcomb-boyd.com (Patrick W. Jones)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:03:31 +0000
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
Message-ID: <199707141305.JAA10798@atl1.america.net.73>
> >According to the person I chatted with, they consider each e-mail to
> >represent 100 potential users.
> >
> >I've sent mine,
I sent one too. But mine said I don't want the interface. Why take
a beautiful OS like Linux and pile crap on it. Doesn't make much
sense to me.
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"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing,
even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about
funding us? Or we' ll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our
salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we
went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you.
You haven't got through college yet.'" --Apple Computer Inc.
founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and H-P interested in
his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.
Patrick Jones
Newcomb & Boyd
pwj at newcomb-boyd.com
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Mon Jul 14 09:21:44 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:21:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
Message-ID: <199707141305.JAA10798@atl1.america.net.74>
>> >According to the person I chatted with, they consider each e-mail to
>> >represent 100 potential users.
>> >
>> >I've sent mine,
>I sent one too. But mine said I don't want the interface. Why take
>a beautiful OS like Linux and pile crap on it. Doesn't make much
>sense to me.
Yeah - that X interface is just wonderful. Why have a decent interface
when every program can go and reinvent the wheel? Who cares if it makes
the OS and windowing system more difficult to learn...you have freedom.
Yeah - Linux may be a beautiful OS most of the time, but face it - X
sucks. Actually, X itself kicks ass...but the way X has been done bites.
The fact that there is no common user interface is bad. Oh yeah, I know -
method not policy, but that can only go so far. You explain to someone
why in one app I have to use the middle mouse button to drag a scrollbar
and in another the right.
And the "standard" interface (MOTIF) is a the ugliest thing I've ever
seen.
True - we don't need the bloat that win95/NT has...but you have to admit
the common interface is better than almost anything that X has to offer.
The fact I can do something like OpenFileDialog in a program and know that
each program I do that in, I will get a fully functional file-open dialog
is a lot better than "Well, do I want to just support command line options
so I don't have to write a file open dialog?"
Putting a well-known, semi-decent, CONSISTENT interface on Linux does make
sense. I'd love to be able to save files to my desktop, have a graphical
file browser, etc...
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From PWJ at newcomb-boyd.com Mon Jul 14 06:05:26 1997
From: PWJ at newcomb-boyd.com (Patrick W. Jones)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:05:26 +0000
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
Message-ID: <199707141359.JAA28409@atl1.america.net.75>
> Putting a well-known, semi-decent, CONSISTENT interface on Linux does make
> sense. I'd love to be able to save files to my desktop, have a graphical
> file browser, etc...
>
I thought they were talking about an interface to Windows 95
programs. It says WABI which I assume is to run Windows programs.
Can WABI be used as a general interface?
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would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular?" --David
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the radio in the 1920s.
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Newcomb & Boyd
pwj at newcomb-boyd.com
From fbrjckj at snt.bellsouth.com Mon Jul 14 10:01:33 1997
From: fbrjckj at snt.bellsouth.com (Ren-Wei Liou)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:01:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
Message-ID: <199707141401.KAA11350@g0213072.76>
What does it mean by Win95 interface? Will any Win95 application be =
able
to run in linux?
> >Return-Path:
> >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:26:57 -0400
> >From: Hal Davison
> >Organization: Davison Consulting
> >To: caldera-users at caldera.com
> >Subject: Wabi 3.0 - SoftWin 95
> >Sender: owner-caldera-users at caldera.com
> >Reply-To: caldera-users at caldera.com
> >
> >Greetings !!
> >
> >You want a Win95 interface to linux ??
> >
> >Send e-mail to leigh.dworkin at isinc.insignia.com
> >
> >Leigh is the product manager for the SoftWin95 product. We can go a =
long
> >way to implementing a driver for linux if EACH of us send e-mail to =
the
> >person above.
> >
> >According to the person I chatted with, they consider each e-mail to
> >represent 100 potential users.
> >
> >I've sent mine,
> >
> >--Hal.
> >
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:12:08 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Virtual PC
Message-ID: <199707141401.KAA11350@g0213072.77>
I saw Virtual PC running on a PowerBook 3400c this weekend and it is neat. What
it does is rather than emulate any OS, it emulates the Intel chip. The 3400C i
s a 230mhz RISC chip and virtual PC can run at 120mhz. It has been stated that
this product wull run Win95, Linux, Solaris and otheres. Has anyone here tried
this product?
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
Computone Corporation
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:43:27 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:43:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] dtlogin
Message-ID: <199707141401.KAA11350@g0213072.78>
Is it possible to dun dtlogin on a system and not display the login screen on th
at server but to any X terminals that are connected to it? I want to
run CDE on my system, but I have an incompatible graphics card. The linux syste
ms can run X and that is where I want CDE to be displayed from a Solaris 2.5.1 s
ystem.
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Mon Jul 14 10:53:02 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] chips & technology
Message-ID: <199707141401.KAA11350@g0213072.79>
I know I should check the docs, but I was wondering if a chips and technology
video card is suported under linux.
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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From robert at ast.lmco.com Mon Jul 14 11:02:32 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:02:32 -0600
Subject: [ale] RTelnet
Message-ID: <199707141401.KAA11350@g0213072.80>
Anyone know where I can get this? I need to be able to telnet
to a machine behind a firewall that allows ICMP packets, but
they won't give access otherwise. I need the "Deamon" for
solaris but want to telnet from my linux box. Anyone
know where I can find either binaries or source?
Robert
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From chrish at ifsintl.com Mon Jul 14 11:48:47 1997
From: chrish at ifsintl.com (Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:48:47 -0400
Subject: [ale] RTelnet
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970714114847.007a0c40@pop.ifsintl.com.81>
At 09:02 AM 7/14/97 -0600, Robert L. Harris wrote:
>Anyone know where I can get this? I need to be able to telnet
>to a machine behind a firewall that allows ICMP packets, but
>they won't give access otherwise. I need the "Deamon" for
>solaris but want to telnet from my linux box. Anyone
>know where I can find either binaries or source?
You can try poking around in:
http://www.getnet.com/~gwood/print/gn1/annex/src/
Depending on who "they" are, I would strongly suggest that you
consult the firewall administrators before you try anything.
Well, unless you are a fwadm. In that case, you should see
what you could do about creating a proxy to plug directly into
your internal machine with proxy authentication.
---
Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Mon Jul 14 12:30:02 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:30:02 EDT
Subject: [ale] dtlogin
Message-ID: <199707141632.JAA17287@relay.hp.com.82>
Chris Fowler was asking about running dtlogin without the Xserver. This is
fairly trivial to do. All it requires is commenting out the lines in the
Xservers config file that starts the Xserver. I'm not sure where that
would be on a Solaris but you might start looking in /usr/dt/config or
/etc/dt/config
On an HP system this line takes the form:
* Local local at console /usr/bin/X11/X :0
Putting a # as the first character of that line lets the system run the
dtlogin process without starting the Xserver so the login banner is available
across the network.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Mon Jul 14 13:25:48 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:25:48 EDT
Subject: [ale] Re: X Windows user interface whinning
Message-ID: <199707141728.KAA00233@relay.hp.com.83>
Dan Neucomb wrote:
> Putting a well-known, semi-decent, CONSISTENT interface on Linux does make
> sense. I'd love to be able to save files to my desktop, have a graphical
> file browser, etc...
Dan, Dan:
I think we have had this discussion (or non-discussion) before. You really
need to take a look at CDE it gives you all of the above and more. It is
an industry standard (not well taken advantage of, but still a standard)
with volumous documentation on the interface/programming style guides
just like that other OS that shall remain nameless.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Mon Jul 14 13:33:28 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Re: X Windows user interface whinning
Message-ID: <199707141728.KAA00233@relay.hp.com.84>
On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Steven A. Duchene wrote:
> Dan Neucomb wrote:
Get my name right you HP bastard :)
> > Putting a well-known, semi-decent, CONSISTENT interface on Linux does make
> > sense. I'd love to be able to save files to my desktop, have a graphical
> > file browser, etc...
> I think we have had this discussion (or non-discussion) before. You really
> need to take a look at CDE it gives you all of the above and more. It is
> an industry standard (not well taken advantage of, but still a standard)
> with volumous documentation on the interface/programming style guides
> just like that other OS that shall remain nameless.
And I think I always say the same thing - CDE is basically Motif with
additional functionality. It is still as butt-ugly. Plus CDE is a major
resource hog. Then again, most window systems are.
Also, I can't be assured that everyone out there has CDE, whereas if I
wrote a windows app, I know everyone out there would have what is needed
to run it (on windows machines.)
Basically my point is that X should come with some decently designed
widgets for standard ops as selecting files, etc... Xaw does not count -
it is an example on how to use Xt.
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Mon Jul 14 15:55:49 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Bill Gates Joke
Message-ID: <199707141728.KAA00233@relay.hp.com.85>
Actually pulled this off an NT group...
Bill Gates died and, much to everyone's surprise, went to Heaven.
When he got there, he had to wait in the reception area. Heaven's
reception area was the size of Massachusetts. There were literally
millions of people milling about, living in tents with nothing to do
all day. Food and water were being distributed from the backs of trucks,
while staffers with clipboards slowly worked their way through the
crowd. Booze and drugs were being passed around. Fights were commonplace.
Sanitation conditions were appalling. All in all, the scene looked like
Woodstock gone metastatic.
Bill lived in a tent for three weeks until, finally, one of the staffers
approached him. The staffer =90was a young man in his late teens, face
scarred with acne. He was wearing a blue T-shirt with the words TEAM PETER
emblazoned on it in large yellow lettering. "Hello," said the staffer in a
bored voice that could have been the voice of any clerk in any overgrown
bureaucracy.
"My name is Gabriel and I'll be your induction coordinator."
Bill started to ask a question, but Gabriel interrupted him.
"No, I'm not the Archangel Gabriel. I'm just a guy from Philadelphia
named Gabriel who died in a car wreck at the age of 17. Now give me
your name, last name first, unless you were Chinese in which case it's
first name first."
"Gates, Bill."
Gabriel started searching though the sheaf of papers on his clipboard,
looking for Bill's Record of Earthly Works.
"What's going on here?"
asked Bill.
"Why are all these people here? Where's Saint Peter? Where are the Pearly
Gates?"
ignored the questions until he located Bill's records. Then Gabriel looked
up in surprise.
"It says here that you were the president of a large software company. Is
that right?"
"Yes."
"Well then, do the math, chip-head! When this Saint Peter business
started,
it was an easy in the beginning. Only a hundred or so people died every
day,
and Peter could handle it all by himself, no problem. But now there are
over
five billion people on earth. Jesus, when God said to 'go forth and
multiply,'
he didn't say 'like rabbits!' With that large a population, ten thousand
people
die every hour. Over a quarter of a million people a day. Do you think
Peter
can meet them all personally?"
"I guess not."
"You guess right. So Peter had to franchise the operation. Now, Peter is
the CEO of Team Peter Enterprises, Inc. He just sits in the corporate
headquarters and sets policy. Franchisees like me handle the actual
inductions."
Gabriel looked though his paperwork some more, and then continued.
"Your paperwork seems to be in order. And with a background like
yours, you'll be getting a plum job assignment."
"Job assignment?"
"Of course. Did you expect to spend the rest of eternity sitting on your
ass and drinking =90ambrosia? Heaven is a big operation. You have to pull
your weight around here!"
Gabriel took out a triplicate form, had Bill sign at the bottom, and then
tore out the middle copy and handed it to Bill.
"Take this down to induction centre #23 and meet up with your occupational
orientator. His =90name is Abraham."
Bill started to ask a question, but Gabriel interrupted him.
"No, he's not *that* Abraham."
Bill walked down a muddy trail for ten miles until he came to induction
centre #23. He met with Abraham after a mere six hour wait.
"Heaven is centuries behind in building its data processing
infrastructure," explained =90Abraham. "As you've seen, we're still
doing everything on paper. It takes us a week just to process new
entries."
"I had to wait *three* weeks," said Bill.
Abraham stared at Bill angrily, and Bill realised that he'd made a mistake.
Even in Heaven, it's best not to contradict a bureaucrat.
"Well," Bill offered, "maybe that Bosnia thing has you guys backed up."
Abraham's look of anger faded to mere annoyance.
"Your job will be to supervise Heaven's new data processing centre.
We're building the largest computing facility in creation. Half a
million computers connected by a multi-segment fiber optic network,
all running into a backend server network with a thousand CPUs on a
gigabit channel. Fully fault tolerant. Fully distributed processing.
The works."
Bill could barely contain his excitement.
"Wow! What a great job! This is really Heaven!"
"We're just finishing construction, and we'll be starting operations soon.
Would you like to go see the centre now?"
"You bet!"
Abraham and Bill caught the shuttle bus and went to Heaven's new data
processing centre. It was a truly huge facility, a hundred times bigger
than the Astrodome. Workmen were crawling all over the place, getting the
miles of fiber optic cables properly installed. But the centre was
dominated
by the computers. Half a million computers, arranged neatly row by row,
half a million ... Macintoshes ... all running Claris software! Not a PC in
sight! Not a single byte of Microsoft code!
The thought of spending the rest of eternity using products that he had
spent
his whole life working to destroy was too much for Bill.
"What about PCs???" he exclaimed.
"What about Windows??? What about Excel??? What about Word???"
"You're forgetting something," said Abraham.
"What's that?" asked Bill plaintively.
"This is Heaven," explained Abraham. "We need a computer system that's
heavenly to use. If you want to build a data processing centre based on
PCs running Windows, then........ GO TO HELL!"
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.e=
du
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...=
So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From hbowers at umr.edu Mon Jul 14 16:15:13 1997
From: hbowers at umr.edu (hbowers at umr.edu)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:15:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] Problems reading DAT tapes created by Solarisx86 on Linux
Message-ID: <199707142015.PAA19485@saucer.cc.umr.edu.86>
I've been having problems with reading 4mm DAT tapes created by a
Solaris x86 machine on a PC Linux machine. I've used the tar, dd, mt, etc...
utilities on both sides, but I still have the same problem. Now, I can read
tapes created by the PC Linux machines and read them on a Solaris machine, and
it doesn't matter which device on the Solaris machine I use (f.e. /dev/rmt/0,
/dev/rmt/0l, etc). The error that the linux machine gives me is "incorrect
block size" "st0 I/O error". If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong please write
me back.
-Hal Bowers
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Mon Jul 14 16:37:30 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:37:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] Problems reading DAT tapes created by Solarisx86 on Linux
Message-ID: <199707142037.OAA19572@rocky.orci.com.87>
>
>
> I've been having problems with reading 4mm DAT tapes created by a
> Solaris x86 machine on a PC Linux machine. I've used the tar, dd, mt, etc...
> utilities on both sides, but I still have the same problem. Now, I can read
> tapes created by the PC Linux machines and read them on a Solaris machine, and
> it doesn't matter which device on the Solaris machine I use (f.e. /dev/rmt/0,
> /dev/rmt/0l, etc). The error that the linux machine gives me is "incorrect
> block size" "st0 I/O error". If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong please write
> me back.
>
> -Hal Bowers
>
Hal,
I get the same thing. Before you use tar, issue the command "mt setblk 0"
and then wait 30secs after you get your prompt back. After that, tar works
fine.
Robert
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From buggz at america.net Mon Jul 14 18:27:51 1997
From: buggz at america.net (buggz)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:27:51 -0400
Subject: [ale] Virtual PC
Message-ID: <199707142037.OAA19572@rocky.orci.com.88>
c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
> I saw Virtual PC running on a PowerBook 3400c this weekend and it is
> neat. What
> it does is rather than emulate any OS, it emulates the Intel chip.
> The 3400C i
> s a 230mhz RISC chip and virtual PC can run at 120mhz. It has been
> stated that
> this product wull run Win95, Linux, Solaris and otheres. Has anyone
> here tried
> this product?
>
Wow, sounds very cool, I want one...
--
Ed June
buggz at america.net
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Mon Jul 14 16:21:12 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:21:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Re: recent question about X11R6.3 and Broadway
Message-ID: <199707142021.UAA30230@ricker.gt.ed.net.89>
To answer your questions:
Broadway is the same thing as R6.3.
R6.3 is available from the good folks at xfree86.org (or from the Open
Group, for that matter).
See http://www.opengroup.org/tech/desktop/x/plug-in.linux.htm for more
information about the netscape plugin. AFAIK, the XFree86 people
haven't included that in their setup.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Tue Jul 15 10:22:01 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:22:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Pictures of the 1997 Atlanta Linux Showcase
Message-ID: <199707151422.KAA02941@smtp.automatedlogic.com.90>
A new photo essay called "Pictures at a Linux Exhibition" is now on-line and
ready for viewing at http://slash.gatech.edu/als/. This should be of
special interest to attendees and volunteers of the 1997 Atlanta Linux
Showcase.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Tue Jul 15 12:26:27 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] mirroring a newsgroup
Message-ID: <199707151422.KAA02941@smtp.automatedlogic.com.91>
Is it possible, if you have access to a NNTP newsfeed, to setup INN,
CNews, or something like that to pull all articles from that group to your
computer in a way that you could then read that one group as a local feed?
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From kaboom at r33h160.res.gatech.edu Tue Jul 15 09:24:20 1997
From: kaboom at r33h160.res.gatech.edu (Chris Ricker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:24:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] mirroring a newsgroup
Message-ID: <199707151422.KAA02941@smtp.automatedlogic.com.92>
On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Dan Newcombe wrote:
> Is it possible, if you have access to a NNTP newsfeed, to setup INN,
> CNews, or something like that to pull all articles from that group to your
> computer in a way that you could then read that one group as a local feed?
I've never tried that, but I think the software you want is called suck.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From robert at ast.lmco.com Tue Jul 15 16:32:49 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:32:49 -0600
Subject: [ale] debian and login problems.
Message-ID: <199707151422.KAA02941@smtp.automatedlogic.com.93>
Hey,
I got a friend with a nasty problem... his debian linux
won't let anyone but root log into the machine. Anyone know
what might cause this?
Robert
--
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question
Email:
Robert at ast.lmco.com
http://www.orci.com/~nomad
DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From nick at ast.lmco.com Tue Jul 15 16:48:49 1997
From: nick at ast.lmco.com (Nick Grimmig)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 14:48:49 -0600
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707151422.KAA02941@smtp.automatedlogic.com.94>
After starting xdm, trying to login to x yields " incorrect login"
this happens for all accounts, root included. What am I doing wrong?
--
Nick Grimmig,
UNIX System Administrator
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Tue Jul 15 17:18:20 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:18:20 EDT
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707152121.OAA12364@relay.hp.com.95>
Nick Grimmig asked:
> After starting xdm, trying to login to x yields " incorrect login"
> this happens for all accounts, root included. What am I doing wrong?
> --
Typically this happens when you have shadow passwords or pam configured and
the version of xdm you have isn't the right one. If the reverse is true
(shadow version of xdm but no shadow passwds) might also cause the same thing.
To tell if you have shadow passwords look in /etc/passwd, if there are
encrypted passwds there you don't. If the passwd field for all users has
all asterisks you have shadow passwds. I am not sure how to tell if pam
is configured.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From nick at ast.lmco.com Tue Jul 15 17:29:29 1997
From: nick at ast.lmco.com (Nick Grimmig)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:29:29 -0600
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707152121.OAA12364@relay.hp.com.96>
well, I have NO shadowed passwds on the system. the version of the OS
is redhat 4.2 / 2.0.30 kernel.
what do I have to do to configure xdm to see the passwds?
Steven A. Duchene wrote:
>
> Nick Grimmig asked:
> > After starting xdm, trying to login to x yields " incorrect login"
> > this happens for all accounts, root included. What am I doing wrong?
> > --
> Typically this happens when you have shadow passwords or pam configured and
> the version of xdm you have isn't the right one. If the reverse is true
> (shadow version of xdm but no shadow passwds) might also cause the same thing.
> To tell if you have shadow passwords look in /etc/passwd, if there are
> encrypted passwds there you don't. If the passwd field for all users has
> all asterisks you have shadow passwds. I am not sure how to tell if pam
> is configured.
>
> --
> Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
>
> The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
> X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
> I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
--
Nick Grimmig,
UNIX System Administrator
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Tue Jul 15 18:16:27 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:16:27 EDT
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707152219.PAA23715@relay.hp.com.97>
If you are running Redhat 4.2 it has pam passwd authentication so xdm probably
is not configured to work with pam or pam is not configured on the system right.
I am not familiar with the pam configuration in RedHat so perhaps someone else
can give you some hints (or write to the RedHat mailing list).
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Tue Jul 15 16:50:14 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:50:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707152050.UAA22934@ricker.gt.ed.net.98>
On 15 Jul, Nick Grimmig wrote:
> well, I have NO shadowed passwds on the system. the version of the OS
> is redhat 4.2 / 2.0.30 kernel.
> what do I have to do to configure xdm to see the passwds?
What versions of pam and X do you have? What does your /etc/pam.d/xdm
file look like?
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From nick at ast.lmco.com Wed Jul 16 12:00:06 1997
From: nick at ast.lmco.com (Nick Grimmig)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:00:06 -0600
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707152050.UAA22934@ricker.gt.ed.net.99>
there is no xdm file in the pam.d directory.
x - 6.1
pam - ???
I did find this however. Does this have anything to do with it?
auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok
gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu wrote:
>
> On 15 Jul, Nick Grimmig wrote:
> > well, I have NO shadowed passwds on the system. the version of the OS
> > is redhat 4.2 / 2.0.30 kernel.
> > what do I have to do to configure xdm to see the passwds?
>
> What versions of pam and X do you have? What does your /etc/pam.d/xdm
> file look like?
>
> later,
> chris
>
> --
> Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
--
Nick Grimmig,
UNIX System Administrator
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From terry at esc1.com Wed Jul 16 15:37:01 1997
From: terry at esc1.com (Terry Lee Tucker)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 15:37:01 -0400
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE
Message-ID: <199707152050.UAA22934@ricker.gt.ed.net.100>
Hello RedHatters:
I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
console:
PEX extension module not loaded
XIE extension module not loaded
This has been going on for quite some time. I haven't noticed any
problems, so have ignored it. Now, however, I have a database
development environment which will not run GUI mode after upgrading to a
new version. Here are the errors:
-- Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C_C.C
Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
SYSTEM ERROR: Memory violation. (49)
** Save file named core for analysis by Progress Software Corporation.
(439)
Now I'm suspicious of the PEX/XIE stuff. I don't even know what this
does. Can anyone shed any light or know where I can get some info?
Thanks...
--
Oakwood, GA 30566 USA
770.965.9294
http://www.esc1.com
The Gates of hell shall NOT prevail...
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Wed Jul 16 17:39:18 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:39:18 EDT
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE
Message-ID: <199707162142.OAA29268@relay.hp.com.101>
Terry wrote:
> I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
> console:
> PEX extension module not loaded
> XIE extension module not loaded
>
> This has been going on for quite some time. I haven't noticed any
> problems, so have ignored it. Now, however, I have a database
> development environment which will not run GUI mode after upgrading to a
> new version. Here are the errors:
>
> -- Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C_C.C
> Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
> SYSTEM ERROR: Memory violation. (49)
> ** Save file named core for analysis by Progress Software Corporation.
> (439)
>
> Now I'm suspicious of the PEX/XIE stuff. I don't even know what this
> does. Can anyone shed any light or know where I can get some info?
>
PEX is PHIGS Extension for X, a 3D programing API and XIE is X Image
Extension
It looks like the problem your having is an invalid locale (C_C.C)
but I'm not positive from the above output it is actually causing
the memory violation sinc?? it says it is going to use the default
locale.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From catbert at ding.mindspring.com Wed Jul 16 17:55:05 1997
From: catbert at ding.mindspring.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:55:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux support database
Message-ID: <199707162142.OAA29268@relay.hp.com.102>
is up at http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb_e/index.html and
http://www.suse.de/Support/sdb/index.html, the latter being the German
version.
William Young catbert at mindspring.com|
There is a general social trend in English-speaking countries (and most
likely elsewhere) to treat technically-educated people as the social
inferiors of non-technically educated people. This is a terrible ill
affecting our society --Bruce Perens
From terry at esc1.com Wed Jul 16 20:47:10 1997
From: terry at esc1.com (Terry Lee Tucker)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 20:47:10 -0400
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE
Message-ID: <199707162142.OAA29268@relay.hp.com.103>
Steven A. Duchene wrote:
>
> Terry wrote:
> > I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
> > console:
> > PEX extension module not loaded
> > XIE extension module not loaded
> >
> > This has been going on for quite some time. I haven't noticed any
> > problems, so have ignored it. Now, however, I have a database
> > development environment which will not run GUI mode after upgrading to a
> > new version. Here are the errors:
> >
> > -- Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C_C.C
> > Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
> > SYSTEM ERROR: Memory violation. (49)
> > ** Save file named core for analysis by Progress Software Corporation.
> > (439)
> >
> > Now I'm suspicious of the PEX/XIE stuff. I don't even know what this
> > does. Can anyone shed any light or know where I can get some info?
> >
>
> PEX is PHIGS Extension for X, a 3D programing API and XIE is X Image
> Extension
>
> It looks like the problem your having is an invalid locale (C_C.C)
> but I'm not positive from the above output it is actually causing
> the memory violation sinc?? it says it is going to use the default
> locale.
>
> --
> Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
>
> The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
> X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
> I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
Problem solved. I went into /usr/lib/X11 and created two directories,
one called "C" and the other called C_C.C. I placed in each directory
the file Codeset. I tried this because I was looking at a SCO box and
saw these directories but noticed they were not on my Linux box. I
believe the SCO box is using Version 5 of X11 and that this is where the
problem arose.
Thanks for your input Steve...
--
Oakwood, GA 30566 USA
770.965.9294
http://www.esc1.com
The Gates of hell shall NOT prevail...
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Wed Jul 16 21:12:16 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] LILO not installing
Message-ID: <199707170112.VAA08854@smtp.automatedlogic.com.104>
I've got a friend that is trying to install Linux and having problems.
LILO doesn't seem to want to write itself to the master boot record
of the fixed disk nor will it install on a floppy. I can't remember
the exact error.
Any suggestions?
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Wed Jul 16 21:28:59 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:28:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Get Yourself Listed on ALE's Web Page
Message-ID: <199707170128.VAA08904@smtp.automatedlogic.com.105>
ALE has a list of members and links to their personal web pages
at http://www.ale.org/members.shtml. If you are a member of
ALE and would like to be listed on the page, then let me know.
What makes you a member of ALE? Quite simply, you just say
you are (what easy membership). If you are also a Linux
Consultant and would like those words listed after your entry,
please say so. What makes you a Linux Consultant? If you
don't know, you probably aren't one.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net Wed Jul 16 12:44:24 1997
From: tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net (Thompson Freeman)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:44:24 -0400
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <9707161244.ZM4688@tfreeman.vnet.net.106>
On Jul 15, 5:18pm, Steven A. Duchene wrote:
> Subject: Re: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
> Nick Grimmig asked:
> > After starting xdm, trying to login to x yields " incorrect login"
> > this happens for all accounts, root included. What am I doing wrong?
> > --
> Typically this happens when you have shadow passwords or pam configured and
> the version of xdm you have isn't the right one. If the reverse is true
> (shadow version of xdm but no shadow passwds) might also cause the same
thing.
> To tell if you have shadow passwords look in /etc/passwd, if there are
> encrypted passwds there you don't. If the passwd field for all users has
> all asterisks you have shadow passwds. I am not sure how to tell if pam
> is configured.
>-- End of excerpt from Steven A. Duchene
Off the top of your head, do you know how to tell if xdm is configured for PAM?
The way things are setup around here, I'd be better off if I could use xdm and
just leave this machine running X.
Thanks
--
Thompson Freeman tfreeman at vnet.net
========================================================
Student of Chemistry and other Philosophical Studies
!! Free Knowledge! Bring your own bucket and shovel!
========================================================
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Wed Jul 16 19:25:48 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:25:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE
Message-ID: <199707162325.XAA07375@ricker.gt.ed.net.107>
On 16 Jul, Terry Lee Tucker wrote:
> Hello RedHatters:
>
> I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
> console:
> PEX extension module not loaded
> XIE extension module not loaded
To fix these, see the XF86Config man page. The syntax is something like
ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
Load pex5.so
Load xie.so
> -- Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C_C.C
> Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default
> SYSTEM ERROR: Memory violation. (49)
> ** Save file named core for analysis by Progress Software Corporation.
> (439)
>
> Now I'm suspicious of the PEX/XIE stuff. I don't even know what this
> does. Can anyone shed any light or know where I can get some info?
I can safely say that PEX / XIE have nothing to do with your problem.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Wed Jul 16 19:40:02 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:40:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707162340.XAA07554@ricker.gt.ed.net.108>
On 16 Jul, Nick Grimmig wrote:
> there is no xdm file in the pam.d directory.
> x - 6.1
> pam - ???
>
> I did find this however. Does this have anything to do with it?
>
> auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok
First off, quick RedHat lesson. RedHat packages their software in
RPMs. To find out all packages on your system, type rpm -qa. To look
up a specific package, type rpm -q . In this
case, rpm -q pam (or rpm -qa | grep pam) should tell you the version.
Offhand, I'd recommend upgrading to XFree86 3.3 (in the 4.2 updates
directory from redhat). That will give you a pamified xdm and the xdm
config file for pam that you lack.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Wed Jul 16 20:05:55 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:05:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] "mailer prog died with signal 13"
Message-ID: <199707170005.AAA08040@ricker.gt.ed.net.109>
Hello,
I've got a problem that's got me stumped. Looking through sendmail
logs, I noticed I have a big backlog (sendmail -bp reports 34 and
counting) that haven't been delivered because "mailer prog died with
signal 13."
I'm running sendmail-8.8.5 with procmail-3.10 as the local program.
Any ideas?
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From nick at ast.lmco.com Thu Jul 17 10:53:00 1997
From: nick at ast.lmco.com (Nick Grimmig)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:53:00 -0600
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707170005.AAA08040@ricker.gt.ed.net.110>
gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu wrote:
>
> On 16 Jul, Nick Grimmig wrote:
> > there is no xdm file in the pam.d directory.
> > x - 6.1
> > pam - ???
> >
> > I did find this however. Does this have anything to do with it?
> >
> > auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok
>
> First off, quick RedHat lesson. RedHat packages their software in
> RPMs. To find out all packages on your system, type rpm -qa. To look
> up a specific package, type rpm -q . In this
> case, rpm -q pam (or rpm -qa | grep pam) should tell you the version.
>
> Offhand, I'd recommend upgrading to XFree86 3.3 (in the 4.2 updates
> directory from redhat). That will give you a pamified xdm and the xdm
> config file for pam that you lack.
>
> later,
> chris
>
> --
> Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
I'd love to get Xf86, but I'm running on a sparc. If anybody has a text
file of what pam and xdm need to get it working, then please send !
--
Nick Grimmig,
UNIX System Administrator
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I like you, but I wouldn't want to see you working with subatomic
particles."
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu Thu Jul 17 11:41:31 1997
From: jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu (John M. Mills)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:41:31 -0400
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE Problems
Message-ID: <199707171541.LAA23055@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.111>
Just like TLT:
On 16 Jul, Terry Lee Tucker wrote:
> Hello RedHatters:
>
> I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
> console:
> PEX extension module not loaded
> XIE extension module not loaded
cr To fix these, see the XF86Config man page. The syntax is something like
cr ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
cr Load pex5.so
cr Load xie.so
Following that suggestion, I added a Section "Module" to my XF86Config, with
the recommended entries*, which indeed appeared to exist. X crashed with the
following error message:
[* actually, since it crashed as given, I put full pathnames in the 'Load's]
[...]
Config Error: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config:43
Load /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dynamic module expected
Fatal server error:
Child error writing to pipe (Broken pipe)
[...]
But when I check the prospective modules, I get:
jmills:~$ file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/xie.so
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/xie.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
This is a 'vanilla' new XFree installation off RedHat 4.2 'Power Tools' disk
set. Anyone know what's up?
Regards -- jmm --
John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer -- john.m.mills at gtri.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0834
Phone contacts: 404.894.0151 (voice), 404.894.6285 (FAX)
"The older I get, the better I was." -- Unknown Sage
From terry at esc1.com Thu Jul 17 12:13:21 1997
From: terry at esc1.com (Terry Lee Tucker)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:13:21 -0400
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE Problems
Message-ID: <199707171541.LAA23055@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.112>
John M. Mills wrote:
>
> Just like TLT:
> On 16 Jul, Terry Lee Tucker wrote:
> > Hello RedHatters:
> >
> > I'm using XFree86. When I do a startx, I get two messages on the
> > console:
> > PEX extension module not loaded
> > XIE extension module not loaded
>
> cr To fix these, see the XF86Config man page. The syntax is something like
>
> cr ModulePath /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
> cr Load pex5.so
> cr Load xie.so
>
> Following that suggestion, I added a Section "Module" to my XF86Config, with
> the recommended entries*, which indeed appeared to exist. X crashed with the
> following error message:
> [* actually, since it crashed as given, I put full pathnames in the 'Load's]
>
> [...]
> Config Error: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config:43
>
> Load /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Dynamic module expected
>
> Fatal server error:
> Child error writing to pipe (Broken pipe)
> [...]
>
> But when I check the prospective modules, I get:
>
> jmills:~$ file /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/xie.so
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/pex5.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/xie.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
>
> This is a 'vanilla' new XFree installation off RedHat 4.2 'Power Tools' disk
> set. Anyone know what's up?
>
> Regards -- jmm --
>
> John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer --
I followed the advice and it worked for me; however, you must have
quotes around the module names. Also, you must put a ModulePath
statement in the Files section or put the entire path to the module in
as you did. Here is my XF86Config entries:
Section "Files"
.
.
Other stuff...
.
.
ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/"
EndSection
# **********************************************************************
# Module section.
# **********************************************************************
Section "Module"
Load "pex5.so"
Load "xie.so"
EndSection
Also, I'm using plain old XFree86. Hope this helps and thanks Chris for
your initial input on this.
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 12:44:43 1997
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:44:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
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From tew at wiencko.com Thu Jul 17 08:44:38 1997
From: tew at wiencko.com (Tom Wiencko)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:44:38 -0400
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707171541.LAA23055@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.114>
c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Why when I run this proggie do I get a segmentation fault?
>
#include
#include
main()
{
char *s1;
char *s2;
s1="S1";
s2="S2";
s2=strcat(s1,s2);
return 0;
}
Very simple. The line "s2=strcat(s1,s2)" is causing strcat to
try to physically overwrite the read-only memory space where "S2"
lives. When you assigned s2="S2" you are pointing s2 to an address
in an area where only constants are supposed to live. You cannot
modify things in that address space.
-Tom
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Tom Wiencko tew at wiencko.com
President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
From c_fowler at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:50:07 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:50:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707171541.LAA23055@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.115>
How can I join string S2 and S1 ont S1 so that s1 looks like 'S1S2'.
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
On 17-Jul-97 Tom Wiencko wrote:
>c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Why when I run this proggie do I get a segmentation fault?
>>
>#include
>#include
>main()
>{
> char *s1;
> char *s2;
> s1="S1";
> s2="S2";
> s2=strcat(s1,s2);
> return 0;
>}
>
>Very simple. The line "s2=strcat(s1,s2)" is causing strcat to
>try to physically overwrite the read-only memory space where "S2"
>lives. When you assigned s2="S2" you are pointing s2 to an address
>in an area where only constants are supposed to live. You cannot
>modify things in that address space.
>
>-Tom
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Tom Wiencko tew at wiencko.com
>President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 13:58:08 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:58:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FW: Re: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707171541.LAA23055@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.116>
How can I concatenate thos two strings together?
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:44:38 -0400
Sender: owner-ale at cc.gatech.edu
From: Tom Wiencko
To: c_fowler at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Cc: ale at cc.gatech.edu
c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Why when I run this proggie do I get a segmentation fault?
>
#include
#include
main()
{
char *s1;
char *s2;
s1="S1";
s2="S2";
s2=strcat(s1,s2);
return 0;
}
Very simple. The line "s2=strcat(s1,s2)" is causing strcat to
try to physically overwrite the read-only memory space where "S2"
lives. When you assigned s2="S2" you are pointing s2 to an address
in an area where only constants are supposed to live. You cannot
modify things in that address space.
-Tom
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President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
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From jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu Thu Jul 17 14:19:28 1997
From: jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu (John M. Mills)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:19:28 -0400
Subject: [ale] PEX and XIE Problem
Message-ID: <199707171819.OAA24166@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.117>
Terry:
- I followed the advice and it worked for me; however, you must have
- quotes around the module names. Also, you must put a ModulePath
- statement in the Files section or put the entire path to the module in
- as you did.
Thanks -- that solved the problem. I suppose I don't normally run code which
requires pex and/or xie modules, so I had only seen the message indicating
XFree86 had sought them, but failed to find them.
Regards -- john mills
John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer -- john.m.mills at gtri.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0834
Phone contacts: 404.894.0151 (voice), 404.894.6285 (FAX)
"The older I get, the better I was." -- Unknown Sage
From tew at wiencko.com Thu Jul 17 09:49:31 1997
From: tew at wiencko.com (Tom Wiencko)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:49:31 -0400
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707171819.OAA24166@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.118>
c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> How can I join string S2 and S1 ont S1 so that s1 looks like 'S1S2'.
>
Lots of ways, depending on exactly what you are doing in the larger
context of the program. Here are a couple of thoughts:
...
char *s1;
char *s2;
char s3[5]=""; /*memory allocated from stack and initialized*/
s1="S1";
s2="S2";
strcat(s3,s1);
strcat(s3,s2);
s1=s3; /* assign pointer s1 to space where s3 lives */
....
or
...
char *s1;
char *s2;
char *s3;
s1="S1";
s2="S2";
/* memory allocated from heap */
s3=(char *) malloc (strlen(s1)+strlen(s2)+1);
strcat(s3,s1);
strcat(s3,s2);
s1=s3; /* point s1 to newly allocated memory */
...
... among lots of other possibilities. Recall also that you have
allocated s1 as a pointer, not as real memory, so s1 does not "look
like" anything, but rather points to something that looks like
something.
Any better?
-Tom
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Tom Wiencko tew at wiencko.com
President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
From sspoon at clemson.edu Thu Jul 17 15:08:38 1997
From: sspoon at clemson.edu (Lex Spoon)
Date: 17 Jul 1997 19:08:38 -0000
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707171819.OAA24166@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.119>
Allocate the memory in writable space. Also, be sure to allocate
enough space to hold the longer string in s1; in this case, it needs
space for at least 5 characters -- the 4 real characters S1S2 and
a terminating NUL character.
This should work (untested code):
main()
{
char s1[BIGENOUGH];
char s2[WHATEVER];
strcpy(s1, "S1");
strcpy(s2, "S2");
strcat(s1,s2);
printf("s1: %s\ns2: %s\n", s1, s2);
}
You could also use malloc (also untested):
main()
{
char *s1;
char *s2;
s1 = malloc(10); /* 10 characters is more than enough here;
adjust as needed */
strcpy(s1, "S1);
s2 = "S2"; /* leave s2 in read-only memory */
strcat(s1, s2);
printf("s1: %s\ns2: %s\n", s1, s2);
}
For curiosity, you might try printing out the locations s1 and s2 in
the different versions by using printf's %p; you would likely see that
malloc, read-only strings, and stack-based arrays are all in distant
parts of memory.
By the way, there is a sprintf function you might investigate if you
are doing a bunch of string manipulation.
Finally, the library has a bunch of good books on C with stuff like
this. :)
lex
> c_fowler at hotmail.com
> How can I join string S2 and S1 ont S1 so that s1 looks like 'S1S2'.
>
> Thanks,
> Christopher Fowler
>
> On 17-Jul-97 Tom Wiencko wrote:
> >c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Why when I run this proggie do I get a segmentation fault?
> >>
> >#include
> >#include
> >main()
> >{
> > char *s1;
> > char *s2;
> > s1="S1";
> > s2="S2";
> > s2=strcat(s1,s2);
> > return 0;
> >}
> >
> >Very simple. The line "s2=strcat(s1,s2)" is causing strcat to
> >try to physically overwrite the read-only memory space where "S2"
> >lives. When you assigned s2="S2" you are pointing s2 to an address
> >in an area where only constants are supposed to live. You cannot
> >modify things in that address space.
> >
> >-Tom
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Tom Wiencko tew at wiencko.com
> >President - Wiencko & Associates, Inc.
From Blake.Sorensen at cox.com Thu Jul 17 15:18:05 1997
From: Blake.Sorensen at cox.com (Sorensen, Blake)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:18:05 -0400
Subject: [ale] SCSI CD-R
Message-ID: <199707171819.OAA24166@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.120>
I've got a SCSI Smart&Friendly CD Recorder that hangs the system everyt
ime I try to boot to Debian. It boots fine in DOS, the Adaptec (2940)
sees it fine, but when the kernel finds it, it hangs.
aic7xxx: Target 3, channel A, refusing synchronus negotiation. Using
asynchronus transfers.
Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CDR100 Rev: 1.10
Type: WORM AMSI SCSI Revision: 02
Detected SCSI CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0.
I have another CD-ROM on the chain (a Sony), and a seagate hard drive.
I tried switching the cd and cd-r id's, but it still hung. The kernel
boots fine if the CD-R is turned off. It hangs even if the regular cd
is turned off. Kernel has support for misc scsi devices, and scsi
cdroms.
And while I'm asking questions, how do I get gpm to recognize a ps/2
mouse? It's an M$ 2 button, I have PS/2 in the kernel, it says during
boot that the device is detected and a driver is loaded, but I'm not
getting mouse support on the console. Haven't gotten around to setting
up X yet...
--
Blake Sorensen
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Thu Jul 17 15:32:15 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:32:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] SCSI CD-R
Message-ID: <199707171932.NAA16946@rocky.orci.com.121>
>
> I've got a SCSI Smart&Friendly CD Recorder that hangs the system everyt
> ime I try to boot to Debian. It boots fine in DOS, the Adaptec (2940)
> sees it fine, but when the kernel finds it, it hangs.
>
> aic7xxx: Target 3, channel A, refusing synchronus negotiation. Using
> asynchronus transfers.
> Vendor: YAMAHA Model: CDR100 Rev: 1.10
> Type: WORM AMSI SCSI Revision: 02
> Detected SCSI CD-ROM sr1 at scsi0, channel 0, id 3, lun 0.
>
> I have another CD-ROM on the chain (a Sony), and a seagate hard drive.
> I tried switching the cd and cd-r id's, but it still hung. The kernel
> boots fine if the CD-R is turned off. It hangs even if the regular cd
> is turned off. Kernel has support for misc scsi devices, and scsi
> cdroms.
>
Blake,
I just went through this with my system and the exact same CD-R. First
of all. Make sure that the HardDrive is the last device on the chain
physically. Second, Make sure TERM POWER and TERMINATION jumpers are
removed from the drive (internal). Last, if your harddrive has the
white jumper block on the underside, it needs the jumper "sideways"
(config C on the seagate drive spec page) and Termination Enable
Jumper on.
Robert
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perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From dbarker at cyberatl.net Thu Jul 17 16:19:26 1997
From: dbarker at cyberatl.net (Dave Barker)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:19:26 -0400
Subject: [ale] Question on creating shared libraries
Message-ID: <199707171932.NAA16946@rocky.orci.com.122>
Hi,
I just upgraded to Slackware 3.2 and am trying to figure out how to
build shared libraries. Once upon a time I was able to do this, but my
system became so hacked I decided to reload from scratch using Slakware
hoping this would help. No such luck. Any help would be much
appreciated. TIA
--
Dave Barker
dbarker at cyberatl.net
From chrish at ifsintl.com Thu Jul 17 16:30:05 1997
From: chrish at ifsintl.com (Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:30:05 -0400
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970717163005.0079a290@pop.ifsintl.com.123>
>main()
>{
> char s1[BIGENOUGH];
> char s2[WHATEVER];
>
> strcpy(s1, "S1");
> strcpy(s2, "S2");
> strcat(s1,s2);
>
> printf("s1: %s\ns2: %s\n", s1, s2);
>}
If you're going this way, but need the ability to easily append extra
characters to a string (e.g. s1), to go along with the initial mail
using pointers, you can try using a couple of macros that I wrote to
help me out a bit:
#include /* required for malloc/realloc */
#define STRCPY(d,s) d=(char *)malloc(strlen(s)+1);strcpy(d,s)
#define STRCAT(d,s) d=(char *)malloc(d,strlen(d)+strlen(s)+1);strcat(d,s)
main()
{
char *s1,*s2;
STRCPY(s1,"S1");
STRCPY(s2,"S2");
STRCAT(s1,s2);
printf("%s\n",s1);
}
---
Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
From nomad at orci.com Thu Jul 17 17:43:50 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:43:50 -0600
Subject: [ale] BusLogic Controllers.
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970717163005.0079a290@pop.ifsintl.com.124>
Anyone know if "buslogic" has a dual-channel scsi controller
like the 3940UW? I am having so much trouble with adaptec
it's not funny. They're really starting to tick me off. I went
from a 2940UW to a 3940UW and will have to replace
all my internal cables and/or buy 4 converters to get my system
on-line. This is an RMA/Upgrade and someone should have known
that the 3940UW has 2 68Pin connecters where the 2940UW
has 1 50Pin. I think it's time to look at another vendor.
If anyone has recomendations and/or URL's please
forward them to me ASAP.
P.S. --> Anyone wanna buy a 3940UW?
--
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perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Thu Jul 17 15:08:13 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:08:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707171908.TAA16843@ricker.gt.ed.net.125>
On 17 Jul, Nick Grimmig wrote:
> I'd love to get Xf86, but I'm running on a sparc.
In the future, little details like that might be helpful to include ;-).
> If anybody has a text
> file of what pam and xdm need to get it working, then please send !
Here's a config file for xdm under pam.
#%PAM-1.0
auth required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok
auth required /lib/security/pam_nologin.so
account required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so
password required /lib/security/pam_cracklib.so
password required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so shadow nullok use_authtok
session required /lib/security/pam_pwdb.so
Save it as /etc/pam.d/xdm. Note that I have no idea if RedHat's Sparc
xdm has been patched for pam support, so this file may not help you at
all.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Thu Jul 17 19:51:53 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:51:53 EDT
Subject: [ale] Login Problems > window manager
Message-ID: <199707172355.QAA11570@relay.hp.com.126>
Thompson Freeman wrote:
> Off the top of your head, do you know how to tell if xdm is configured for
> PAM? The way things are setup around here, I'd be better off if I could
> use xdm and just leave this machine running X.
>
The above doesn't make a lot of sense to me since doing xdm logins is X
but I would think for xdm to use pam it would have to be linked against
libpam.so.0 so run ldd against the xdm executable.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 17 22:38:00 1997
From: arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu (arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 22:38 EDT
Subject: [ale] Laptop and APM question
Message-ID: <199707172355.QAA11570@relay.hp.com.127>
After a few week hiatus, I'm back on the ALE list.
Continuing the saga of my HP Omnibook 5000 laptop. I built a new kernel
and enabled APM. Now I'm getting lots of:
apm_bios: set display standby: Unrecognized device ID
apm_bios: set display ready: Unrecognized device ID
messages on my console, every 10 minutes or so.
The suspend-to-disk/turn power off feature now seems to work with the APM
stuff enabled, so that's a plus. Any ideas though about the messages?
Also, the Documentation/Changes file (2.0.30 kernel, Redhat 4.2) sez:
> APM support
> ===========
>
> Advanced Power Management (APM) support has been added to the kernel
> as well. APM, which is primarily of use in laptops, provides access to
> battery status information and may help to conserve battery power. The
> support files can be found in
> ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/laptops/apm/apmd-2.4.tar.gz
But I can't find an apmd on my system or anywhere on tsx-11. Is this just
something that's out of date? Or am I really missing a daemon that I need?
So, more information and enlightenment requested.
Thanks!
Arnold Robbins Internet: arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Fri Jul 18 11:22:12 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:22:12 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] My Adaptec Adventure...
Message-ID: <199707181522.JAA14783@rocky.orci.com.128>
Ok,
For those of you who caught my last message sent while I was still steaming
here's the summary and final outcome.
I had a AHA-2940UW. It was determined to be bad after 2 months of checking
and one tech saying my chain was messed up and it was a hard disk problem and
then hanging up on me. I finally got them to issue an RMA and I paid the
upgrade. A 2940UW has 2 internal connectors. 1 male 50Pin, 1 female 68Pin.
The 3940UW also has 2 internal connectors, 2 female 68Pin connectors. First,
no-one told me this. You think I could call them and just order a converter
that connected a female 68Pin to a femail 50 (my internal scsi-2 cable which
is custome made for my config). The don't have anything like that and said
it couldn't and wouldn't work. The solution they have is for me to buy 2
internal-wide cables and 6 converters that connect a narrow device to a wide
chain. No, you couldn't just put the converter on the card and plug a
narrow cable into it... This didn't and still doesn't make sense to me.
The cables cost about $70 apeice (need 2 since they only have 5 connectors
and I need 6) and the converters are $35 apeice. Again I need 6. That's
$140+$216= $356. AFTER I bought the card... After this I decided to
talk to management a bit.
I ended up talking to "Derik"... He understood I was a bit upset at
this. Apparently I'm the first person to upgrade from a 2940UW with
only narrow devices on the internal cable to a 3940UW... I explained
that converting to a 3940U wasn't going to work as I will have need of the
"wide" portion in the immediate future. After talking for a bit they are
shipping me the connectors and cables Next day air. I should have them
Sat since we didn't reach an agreement until after FedEx picked up for the
day.
My final analysys? They really need a 68-50Pin converter for the single
cable so we don't have to buy all this junk. They did however "make things
right" and put up with me not just taking the original option of buying
everything and walking away. I do like companies that will actually go
out of their way in this day and age to make the customer happy.
Robert
P.S.: That 3940UW is no-longer for sale... :>
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perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Fri Jul 18 14:24:32 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:24:32 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] Quad-CPU Linux?
Message-ID: <199707181824.MAA08470@rocky.orci.com.129>
Ok,
I like my dual-166 machine. I have a chance to get a quad-cpu board
though. Will linux support 4 as nice as 2? Does it even care?
Robert
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DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From byron at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 18 14:37:08 1997
From: byron at cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Quad-CPU Linux?
Message-ID: <199707181837.OAA12860@gemini.cc.gatech.edu.130>
>
> Ok,
> I like my dual-166 machine. I have a chance to get a quad-cpu board
> though. Will linux support 4 as nice as 2? Does it even care?
Yes and no. We played with a quad PPRO. Linux saw all 4 processors and
it ran fine and fast.
BAJ
From dboyd at berry.edu Fri Jul 18 15:58:24 1997
From: dboyd at berry.edu (Daniel Boyd)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:58:24 EST
Subject: [ale] Linux/Apache/LHS review in mainstream press
Message-ID: <199707181753.NAA16909@drew.berry.edu.131>
Hi all,
The July 7 issue of InfoWorld includes a comparison of web servers
that pits RedHat Linux 4.2/Apache 1.1.3/Linux Hardware Solutions
against AIX/ICSS/RS6000 against NT/IIS/HP NetServer LX against
NT/Netscape Enterprise Server 3.0/Compaq ProLiant 5000. While the
Linux box came in last (hobbled by only a single processor compared
with 4 for the other platforms) I feel it is another win for the
Linux community to be tested against the heavy-weights.
Dan
Daniel Boyd, CNA Voice: 706/236-1750
Network Manager Fax: 706/238-7858
Computing and Technology email: dboyd at berry.edu
Berry College "We are confronted with
insurmountable opportunities."
-Walt Kelly
From robert at ast.lmco.com Fri Jul 18 15:01:49 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:01:49 -0600
Subject: [ale] Linux/Apache/LHS review in mainstream press
Message-ID: <199707181753.NAA16909@drew.berry.edu.132>
Daniel Boyd wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The July 7 issue of InfoWorld includes a comparison of web servers
> that pits RedHat Linux 4.2/Apache 1.1.3/Linux Hardware Solutions
> against AIX/ICSS/RS6000 against NT/IIS/HP NetServer LX against
> NT/Netscape Enterprise Server 3.0/Compaq ProLiant 5000. While the
> Linux box came in last (hobbled by only a single processor compared
> with 4 for the other platforms) I feel it is another win for the
> Linux community to be tested against the heavy-weights.
>
> Dan
>
> Daniel Boyd, CNA Voice: 706/236-1750
> Network Manager Fax: 706/238-7858
> Computing and Technology email: dboyd at berry.edu
> Berry College "We are confronted with
> insurmountable opportunities."
> -Walt Kelly
Too bad no-one can get a public response up to have printed showing
the Linux on a Quad or Multi-Proc machine... Kinda interesting
they left Linux like that...
Robert
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perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From geof at abraxis.com Fri Jul 18 15:09:31 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Quad-CPU Linux?
Message-ID: <199707181909.PAA00509@abraxis.com.133>
}> Ok,
}> I like my dual-166 machine. I have a chance to get a quad-cpu board
}> though. Will linux support 4 as nice as 2? Does it even care?
}
}Yes and no. We played with a quad PPRO. Linux saw all 4 processors and
}it ran fine and fast.
Okay, that sounds like the 'Yes' part, what about the 'No' part?
}
}BAJ
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Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From byron at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 18 15:48:46 1997
From: byron at cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 15:48:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Quad-CPU Linux?
Message-ID: <199707181948.PAA13034@gemini.cc.gatech.edu.134>
>
> }> Ok,
> }> I like my dual-166 machine. I have a chance to get a quad-cpu board
> }> though. Will linux support 4 as nice as 2? Does it even care?
> }
> }Yes and no. We played with a quad PPRO. Linux saw all 4 processors and
> }it ran fine and fast.
>
> Okay, that sounds like the 'Yes' part, what about the 'No' part?
Sorry. Yes it supports 4. No it doesn't even care. Now we never heavily
loaded it. It did compile the kernel in about 2 minutes though.
BAJ
From vernard at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 18 17:32:03 1997
From: vernard at cc.gatech.edu (Vernard Martin)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 17:32:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Quad-CPU Linux?
Message-ID: <199707182132.RAA12677@cleon.cc.gatech.edu.135>
> > Okay, that sounds like the 'Yes' part, what about the 'No' part?
>
> Sorry. Yes it supports 4. No it doesn't even care. Now we never heavily
> loaded it. It did compile the kernel in about 2 minutes though.
Actually, that's not entirely true. When byron wasn't looking I managed to
port an atmospheric model chemical transport code over to it. Normally, we
run the model on a processor SGI Power CHallenge with 12 75Mhz R8000 cpus
in it. The 4 200Mhz pentium pros managed to hold its own against 8 of the
processors in the power challenge. I was mightily impressed.
V
--
Vernard Martin, High Performance Parallel Computation and Experimentation Lab
(vernard at cc.gatech.edu) http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~vernard/
College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332
From jknapka at mindspring.com Fri Jul 18 23:56:10 1997
From: jknapka at mindspring.com (Joe)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:56:10 -0400
Subject: [ale] C and segmentation fault
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.136>
I must pick another nit. This may be obvious, but the original
poster may not be aware of it, and there is a stylistic issue
involved:
This code leaks all the memory it mallocs. None of the malloc'd
memory is ever freed, so if a loop executed this code a lot,
the program would eventually grow to fill memory.
IMO it is not generally a good idea to hide malloc and free calls
behind macros, because it makes this sort of problem very hard
to track down. Unless you have a string-handling library that
clearly documents the fact that any string obtained by a call
to STRCPY (equivalent to the standard C call strdup(), BTW)
or STRCAT must be released with a corresponding call to
some companion function, say STRFREE().
And finally, macros that contain multiple statement misbehave
in hard-to-find ways. For example,
char death[] = "Crash-me";
char* copy_from_hell;
if (0)
STRCPY(copy_from_hell,death); /* Crash here. */
-- Joe Knapka
> If you're going this way, but need the ability to easily append extra
> characters to a string (e.g. s1), to go along with the initial mail
> using pointers, you can try using a couple of macros that I wrote to
> help me out a bit:
>
> #include /* required for malloc/realloc */
>
> #define STRCPY(d,s) d=(char *)malloc(strlen(s)+1);strcpy(d,s)
> #define STRCAT(d,s) d=(char *)malloc(d,strlen(d)+strlen(s)+1);strcat(d,s)
>
> main()
> {
> char *s1,*s2;
>
> STRCPY(s1,"S1");
> STRCPY(s2,"S2");
>
> STRCAT(s1,s2);
>
> printf("%s\n",s1);
> }
>
>
> ---
> Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
> chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
From entos at mindspring.com Sat Jul 19 16:19:37 1997
From: entos at mindspring.com (Rich Simons)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 16:19:37 -0400
Subject: [ale] Newbie Linux User Where to Start Question
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.137>
Hello All!
I am new to this mailing list and hope this question is appropriate. If not, just ignore.
I am new to Linux (a couple or so years of Unix but that was a while back) and need some direction.
I want to create a Linux installation for C++ development. The most important goal is to do it quickly
with the latest updates and no headaches (you guys must be rolling on the floor already!). I don't
mind paying my dues, but, I would much prefer to buy someones commercial package and install
by the numbers. Mainly, I want the best C++ development environment I can find (graphical IDE &
debug, build tools (or graphical front-ends), ...). You get the picture. Is there a recognized leader out
there that can provide all of this (Caldera, ...)? What about reviews/comparisons of various bundles?
Are there any old postings that would be useful? I really don't want to use emacs and rcs (I'm too old
for that).
Feel free to post responses or send them directly to me if you feel this question is a little too green.
Thanks in advance,
Rich Simons
ENTOS Communications
entos at mindspring.com
From nomad at orci.com Sat Jul 19 19:40:27 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:40:27 -0600
Subject: [ale] Newbie Linux User Where to Start Question
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.138>
Rich Simons wrote:
> Hello All!
>
> I am new to this mailing list and hope this question is appropriate.
> If not, just ignore.
>
> I am new to Linux (a couple or so years of Unix but that was a while
> back) and need some direction.
> I want to create a Linux installation for C++ development. The most
> important goal is to do it quickly
> with the latest updates and no headaches (you guys must be rolling on
> the floor already!). I don't
> mind paying my dues, but, I would much prefer to buy someones
> commercial package and install
> by the numbers. Mainly, I want the best C++ development environment I
> can find (graphical IDE &
> debug, build tools (or graphical front-ends), ...). You get the
> picture. Is there a recognized leader out
> there that can provide all of this (Caldera, ...)? What about
> reviews/comparisons of various bundles?
> Are there any old postings that would be useful? I really don't want
> to use emacs and rcs (I'm too old
> for that).
>
> Feel free to post responses or send them directly to me if you feel
> this question is a little too green.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rich Simons
> ENTOS Communications
> entos at mindspring.com
Thats kinda of the beginning of a holy war. There are various
packages. Debian, Slackware,
RedHat and such. I prefer the installation and actual packaging of
slackware. I am using
RedHat though because it's "Upgradeable" prety easily and won't destroy
my customizations
to RC scripts and such that Slackware seemed to do. All distributions
I've seen come with
gcc and g++ if you install them. If you just want to get it up and
running and pay dues in
the future, slackware but if you want something stable that's less
trouble to keep in the
future that has some security holes, redhat...
This is only my opinion though.
Robert
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perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From ksrt at DEC.NET Thu Jul 17 20:15:21 1997
From: ksrt at DEC.NET (KSR[T])
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:15:21 -0700
Subject: [ale] KSR[T] Advisory #2: ld.so
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.139>
KSR[T] Advisory #002
Date: Jul 16, 1997
ID #: lin-ldso-002
Operating System(s): Linux
Affected Program: ld.so / ld-linux.so
Problem Description: ld.so is the run-time linker used by dynamically linked
executables(a.out). Inside the error reporting function
there is a call to vsprintf, which doesn't check the size
of the string it is storing in an automatic buffer.
The ELF version of run-time linker(ld-linux.so) is
vulnerable to an almost identical stack overwrite.
Compromise: A local user that can execute any dynamically linked
setuid binary and can force ld.so to error, can execute
arbitrary code as root.
Patch/Fix: Upgrade your ld.so to the latest version, or apply the
patch below provided by Alan Cox.
---- cut here ----
--- ld.so-1.7.14/d-link/boot1.c Thu Dec 14 19:08:19 1995
+++ ld.so-1.7.14-fixed/d-link/boot1.c Wed Jul 16 15:37:11 1997
@@ -108,10 +108,12 @@
#include "syscall.h"
#include "string.h"
+#define ELF_LDSO_IMAGE "/lib/ld-linux.so.1"
+
static char * _dl_malloc_addr, *_dl_mmap_zero;
char * _dl_library_path = 0; /* Where we look for libraries */
char *_dl_preload = 0; /* Things to be loaded before the libs. */
-char *_dl_progname = "/lib/ld-linux.so.1";
+char *_dl_progname = ELF_LDSO_IMAGE;
static char * _dl_not_lazy = 0;
static char * _dl_warn = 0; /* Used by ldd */
static char * _dl_trace_loaded_objects = 0;
@@ -165,6 +167,45 @@
#endif
/*
+ * Stop argv0 overflowing vsprintf, but also try to stop false positives
+ * We obey the following rule
+ *
+ * If namesize < 256 keep
+ * If name from last / < 256 use that
+ * else use ELF_LDSO_IMAGE
+ *
+ * This ensures /very/long/stupid/nfs/path/we/often/get/foobarcmd
+ * comes out at least as.
+ *
+ * foobarcmd: someerror
+ *
+ * Even if we fix vsprintf to be vsnprintf (which we should), this
+ * ought to be kept to help make real size limited errors clearer.
+ */
+
+static char *argv_remap(char *ptr)
+{
+ char *tmp;
+ if(strlen(ptr)<256)
+ return ptr;
+ if(!*ptr)
+ return ptr;
+ tmp=ptr+strlen(ptr)-1;
+ /*
+ * Walk back down the chain until we find a slash
+ */
+ while(tmp>=ptr && *tmp!='/')
+ tmp--;
+ /*
+ * No slash, or too long after slash and Im not playing so nyah
+ */
+ if(*tmp!='/')
+ return ELF_LDSO_IMAGE;
+ if(strlen(tmp)>256) /* Not off by 1 .. strlen includes the / */
+ return ELF_LDSO_IMAGE;
+ return tmp+1;
+}
+/*
* This stub function is used by some debuggers. The idea is that they
* can set an internal breakpoint on it, so that we are notified when the
* address mapping is changed in some way.
@@ -487,7 +528,7 @@
}
if (argv[0])
- _dl_progname = argv[0];
+ _dl_progname = argv_remap(argv[0]);
/* Now we need to figure out what kind of options are selected.
Note that for SUID programs we ignore the settings in LD_LIBRARY_PATH */
--- ld.so-1.7.14/ld-so/ld.so.c Tue Nov 14 19:15:02 1995
+++ ld.so-1.7.14-fixed/ld-so/ld.so.c Tue Jun 24 10:55:54 1997
@@ -151,6 +151,46 @@
}
#endif
+/*
+ * Stop argv0 overflowing vsprintf, but also try to stop false positives
+ * We obey the following rule
+ *
+ * If namesize < 256 keep
+ * If name from last / < 256 use that
+ * else use LDSO_NAME
+ *
+ * This ensures /very/long/stupid/nfs/path/we/often/get/foobarcmd
+ * comes out at least as.
+ *
+ * foobarcmd: someerror
+ *
+ * Even if we fix vsprintf to be vsnprintf (which we should), this
+ * ought to be kept to help make real size limited errors clearer.
+ */
+
+static char *argv_remap(char *ptr)
+{
+ char *tmp;
+ if(strlen(ptr)<256)
+ return ptr;
+ if(!*ptr)
+ return ptr;
+ tmp=ptr+strlen(ptr)-1;
+ /*
+ * Walk back down the chain until we find a slash
+ */
+ while(tmp>=ptr && *tmp!='/')
+ tmp--;
+ /*
+ * No slash, or too long after slash and Im not playing so nyah
+ */
+ if(*tmp!='/')
+ return LDSO_IMAGE;
+ if(strlen(tmp)>256) /* Not off by 1 .. strlen includes the / */
+ return LDSO_IMAGE;
+ return tmp+1;
+}
+
void
shared_loader(int func, ...)
{
@@ -207,12 +247,14 @@
save_mapinfo(mapinfo);
#endif
argv0 = va_arg(ap, char *);
+ argv0 = arg_remap(argv0);
__environ = va_arg(ap, char **);
__SHARED_LIBRARIES__ = va_arg(ap, struct libentry **);
_SHARABLE_CONFLICTS__ = va_arg(ap, struct fixuplist *);
if (func == FUNC_LINK_AND_CALLBACK)
callback = va_arg(ap, callbackptr);
va_end(ap);
+
break;
default:
/* you want me to do what? */
@@ -228,7 +270,8 @@
/* find out who we are, in case somebody wants to know */
if (!argv0 && !(argv0 = getenv(LDD_ARGV0)))
argv0 = LDSO_IMAGE;
-
+ argv0=argv_remap(argv0);
+
/* hmm, you want your own configuration, do you? */
if (getuid() == geteuid() && getgid() == getegid())
{
@@ -328,6 +371,11 @@
.text section. This is passed to ldpreload() below */
if (preload || callback)
{
+ if(nlibs==11)
+ {
+ fdprintf(2, "%s: too many preloads\n",argv[0]);
+ exit(EXIT_FATAL);
+ }
libs[nlibs] = alloca(strlen(buffer)+1);
strcpy(libs[nlibs], buffer);
nlibs++;
---- cut here ----
-----
KSR[T] Website : http://www.dec.net/ksrt
E-mail: ksrt at dec.net
From ksrt at DEC.NET Fri Jul 18 09:01:19 1997
From: ksrt at DEC.NET (KSR[T])
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 06:01:19 -0700
Subject: [ale] URGENT: Update to ld.so advisory
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.140>
Update to KSR[T] Advisory #002
Our advisory contained one serious piece of mis-information. The latest
version of ld.so that we tested (1.9.2) still appeared to be
vulnerable to this overflow.
We strongly recommend that anyone running linux install the patch
distributed with the advisory, or wait for your vendor to release
an updated ld.so package and install that as soon as possible.
The patch is available from our web site (http://www.dec.net/ksrt).
We apologize for any confusion this might have caused.
KSR[T] Team
-----
KSR[T] Website : http://www.dec.net/ksrt
E-mail: ksrt at dec.net
From nomad at orci.com Sun Jul 20 00:41:55 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 22:41:55 -0600
Subject: [ale] Got one for 3940 people.
Message-ID: <199707190356.XAA00465@localhost.141>
Ok,
I got all the converters and cables this morning. Got
minorly annoyed when I found that the external connector is
on Channel A instead of be. Was real happy when I found
I can boot and run channel B as primary. It works great
until I put a Hard Disk on the external cable then I get
a problem with Init and no controlling devices found.
Anyone seen this? I tried passing:
boot: linux root=/dev/sdc1 init=3 (with and without
the root portion).
Robert
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Email:
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These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Sun Jul 20 15:16:38 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:16:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] [ale-admin] linux (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707201916.PAA23183@smtp.automatedlogic.com.142>
Forwarded message:
X-Authentication-Warning: heart.engr.csulb.edu: mfrancis owned process doing -bs
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 16:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mofid Francis
Reply-To: Mofid Francis
To: ale-admin at cc.gatech.edu
Subject: [ale-admin] linux
Message-ID:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender: owner-ale-admin at cc.gatech.edu
Precedence: bulk
I am interested in get some configuration information regarding my Linux.
I have a Linux 1.2.13 installed and I am trying to configure my modem, Can
you echo the commands to configure the modem(its a hayes compatible,
2400).
I would appreciate help,
Moe
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From nomad at orci.com Sun Jul 20 23:54:33 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 21:54:33 -0600
Subject: [ale] I'm really beginning to hate PC architecture.
Message-ID: <199707201916.PAA23183@smtp.automatedlogic.com.143>
Ok,
I got my scsi controller and converters installed after I flipped all
my internal HardDrives
upside down so the cable would mate up. Now I go to start X and it
hangs my machine.
I'm using MetroX and If I drop my resolution from 1280 to 1152 I get a
screen instead of
deadlock. I'm using a DiamondStealth VideoVram card and a ViewSonic
17EA. It worked
great until I got my new scsi controller. The monitor isn't frizzing
out as I'm running great
in Winblowz. I tried switching to the demo of AcceleratedX but I get
abou the same thing.
There are no errors in any log files. Anyone seen anything like this or
know how to fix
it?
Robert
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Email:
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perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From geof at abraxis.com Mon Jul 21 08:11:44 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 08:11:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux/Apache/LHS review in mainstream press
Message-ID: <199707211211.IAA01828@abraxis.com.144>
I can't believe anyone would perform such a one-sided comparison. Why wouldn't
they choose common hardware?
}
}Daniel Boyd wrote:
}>
}> Hi all,
}>
}> The July 7 issue of InfoWorld includes a comparison of web servers
}> that pits RedHat Linux 4.2/Apache 1.1.3/Linux Hardware Solutions
}> against AIX/ICSS/RS6000 against NT/IIS/HP NetServer LX against
}> NT/Netscape Enterprise Server 3.0/Compaq ProLiant 5000. While the
}> Linux box came in last (hobbled by only a single processor compared
}> with 4 for the other platforms) I feel it is another win for the
}> Linux community to be tested against the heavy-weights.
}>
}> Dan
}>
}> Daniel Boyd, CNA Voice: 706/236-1750
}> Network Manager Fax: 706/238-7858
}> Computing and Technology email: dboyd at berry.edu
}> Berry College "We are confronted with
}> insurmountable opportunities."
}> -Walt Kelly
}
}Too bad no-one can get a public response up to have printed showing
}the Linux on a Quad or Multi-Proc machine... Kinda interesting
}they left Linux like that...
}
}Robert
}
}--
}---------------------------------------------------------------------------
}Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
}System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question
}
}Email:
}Robert at ast.lmco.com
}http://www.orci.com/~nomad
}
}DISCLAIMER:
} These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
}
}perl -e 'print
}$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
}
--
Until later:
Geoffrey Myers geof at abraxis.com http://www.abraxis.com/geof
Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From docdtv at mindspring.com Mon Jul 21 09:46:49 1997
From: docdtv at mindspring.com (R I Feigenblatt)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:46:49 -0400
Subject: [ale] Solaris source code - ALMOST ;) free
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970721094649.007ae570@pop.mindspring.com.145>
I thought this might interest some of the people interested in Linux.
"MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 21, 1997--Tapping
into the rich knowledge base of universities and colleges, Sun
Microsystems, Inc. today said it will make the source code for its
Solaris(TM) operating environment, the industry's leading version of
UNIX(R), available virtually free of charge -- for research and study
purposes -- to the higher education community around the world.
The source code will be offered free to customers who purchase an
additional product from Sun. By providing the source code on this
complimentary basis, Sun not only gives university researchers and
students hands-on experience with Solaris source code, but will help
ensure that future versions of Solaris benefit from the latest
innovation and research at the world's top computer research labs..."
Ron Feigenblatt
From c_fowler at hotmail.com Mon Jul 21 10:21:31 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:21:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] null-modem PPP
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970721094649.007ae570@pop.mindspring.com.146>
I'm trying to set up a null-modem PPP link to my linux box from a laptop runnnin
g winbloze95. Dial-up networking requires a modem. Is there a way I can do thi
s?
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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Date: 21-Jul-97
Time: 10:21:31
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From dhamm at itserve.com Mon Jul 21 11:29:53 1997
From: dhamm at itserve.com (David Hamm)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:29:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] crash
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970721094649.007ae570@pop.mindspring.com.147>
Ok. So one of our users finally trashed a server ( some idiot knocked the plug
out of the wall while moving some stuff around ). At this point I'm finding
that the RedHat rescue option leaves a little to be desired. Any way after
getting to the point that I can run e2fsck I'm getting a message that says the
super block is bad and I should run "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda1" and mabee that
will fix the problem. If I cant fix the superblock problem how can I
gracefully restore this system without disturbing the other software?
------ David Hamm - dhamm at itserve.com --------
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Mon Jul 21 11:47:36 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:47:36 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] crash
Message-ID: <199707211547.JAA13039@rocky.orci.com.148>
>
> Ok. So one of our users finally trashed a server ( some idiot knocked the plug
> out of the wall while moving some stuff around ). At this point I'm finding
> that the RedHat rescue option leaves a little to be desired. Any way after
> getting to the point that I can run e2fsck I'm getting a message that says the
> super block is bad and I should run "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda1" and mabee that
> will fix the problem. If I cant fix the superblock problem how can I
> gracefully restore this system without disturbing the other software?
> ------ David Hamm - dhamm at itserve.com --------
>
David,
I kinda cheat. I do the "install" and give it all the info on my
hardware so it will load the modules. Once that's done, Alt+F2 to change
consoles then you can fsck the device as long as you have "fsck" available...
Robert
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Email:
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DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net Mon Jul 21 12:50:48 1997
From: tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net (Thompson Freeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:50:48 -0400
Subject: [ale] Solaris source code - ALMOST ;) free
Message-ID: <9707211250.ZM7004@tfreeman.vnet.net.149>
On Jul 21, 9:46am, R I Feigenblatt wrote:
> Subject: [ale] Solaris source code - ALMOST ;) free
> I thought this might interest some of the people interested in Linux.
>
> "MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 21, 1997--Tapping
> into the rich knowledge base of universities and colleges, Sun
> Microsystems, Inc. today said it will make the source code for its
> Solaris(TM) operating environment, the industry's leading version of
> UNIX(R), available virtually free of charge -- for research and study
> purposes -- to the higher education community around the world.
> The source code will be offered free to customers who purchase an
> additional product from Sun. By providing the source code on this
> complimentary basis, Sun not only gives university researchers and
> students hands-on experience with Solaris source code, but will help
> ensure that future versions of Solaris benefit from the latest
> innovation and research at the world's top computer research labs..."
>
> Ron Feigenblatt
>
>-- End of excerpt from R I Feigenblatt
Seems like Sun is remembering what Linux never forgot, and AT&T Bell Labs knew
when they were a monopoly. Not dissimilar to what I've been told was a practice
with portions of HP for years also: keep your projects out in the open where
the other bright people can play with them. If some ham-handed person can
breakit at that point - wasn't built right yet. 8-).
--
Thompson Freeman tfreeman at vnet.net
========================================================
Student of Chemistry and other Philosophical Studies
!! Free Knowledge! Bring your own bucket and shovel!
========================================================
From zot at crl.com Mon Jul 21 13:21:34 1997
From: zot at crl.com (Zot O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:21:34 -0700
Subject: [ale] What is this tty error message?
Message-ID: <9707211250.ZM7004@tfreeman.vnet.net.150>
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Jul 21 03:51:33 zotnet kernel: Warning: dev (03:06) tty->count(1) !=
#fd's(2) in release_dev
I could only find 3 references to it on the web....
--
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From gstsmt at gstv.Gsu.EDU Mon Jul 21 14:57:42 1997
From: gstsmt at gstv.Gsu.EDU (The Wayward Mage)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] null-modem PPP
Message-ID: <9707211250.ZM7004@tfreeman.vnet.net.151>
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997 c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
> I'm trying to set up a null-modem PPP link to my linux box from a laptop runnnin
> g winbloze95. Dial-up networking requires a modem. Is there a way I can do thi
> s?
I did it with Trumpet Winsock. It has a manual login option which you can
use to login and run pppd, then just hit escape and it loads winsock.
Michael
From elanda at comstar.net Mon Jul 21 19:19:50 1997
From: elanda at comstar.net (Ed Landa)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:19:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] crash
Message-ID: <9707211250.ZM7004@tfreeman.vnet.net.152>
On Mon, 21 Jul 1997, David Hamm wrote:
> [...] I'm getting a message that says the super block is bad and I
> should run "e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/sda1" and mabee that will fix the
> problem. If I cant fix the superblock problem how can I gracefully
> restore this system without disturbing the other software?
The filesystem stores multiple copies of the superblock across the disk.
By specifing '-b 8193' you are telling it to use a backup copy of the
superblock.
Ed
--------
Ed Landa
ComStar Communications Corp.
770-333-8779
From charlie at cc.gatech.edu Tue Jul 22 00:00:03 1997
From: charlie at cc.gatech.edu (charlie)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Off topic: Burned memory???!!!
Message-ID: <9707211250.ZM7004@tfreeman.vnet.net.153>
I know this is off the topic, but I just wanted another opinion on this
matter. If this type of stuff makes you mad don't read any more.
Ok I bought some memory from a dealer and when I went to install it
into the machine it burnt up. I checked my installation and I checked
the connection before I turned it on as well as after. The dealer
says it's my fault and that if I had have installed it right it can't
burn up so I'm at fault. I'm not asking to place blame because what's
done is done, but I'm more curious to if he's right. I've installed
lots and lots of memory in the past with only one case of it not working
and that was because of the manufacturer putting the slots to close to
each other so the memory wouldn't slide fully into the socket. Can
memory burn out from a defect in this one chip? Has anyone else seen
this in the past?
please reply privately
thanks
charlie
Charles Hubbard
Internet: charlie at felix.cc.gatech.edu
". . .the pope talks a lot about sex, of which he knows nothing. . ."
- Robert Anton Wilson
". . .Some used the problems to criticize the company's Web server
software. 'Maybe they should have bought Linux,'" --anon
From mikelee at dickens.com Tue Jul 22 11:39:46 1997
From: mikelee at dickens.com (Mike Gregoire)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:39:46 -0400
Subject: [ale] Test E-Mail
Message-ID: <9707221139.ZM205659@dispatch.dickens.com.154>
I haven't gotten any e-mail from the group lately. I'm sending this
out to see if I'm still subscribed.
--
Michael Gregoire
Software Engineer
Dickens Data Systems
From fgzamen at iglobal.net Tue Jul 22 12:00:03 1997
From: fgzamen at iglobal.net (frank zamenski)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:00:03 -0500
Subject: [ale] Off topic: Burned memory???!!!
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.155>
Charlie,
I've never seen this happen, and I've done a fair amount of pc repair and
maint myself, but, if you are indeed proficient at installing ram, then, I
think it is conceivable that you could have gotten a bad chip. For example,
it may have had a micro fracture in it somewhere -- whether "created" at the
factory, or perhaps if it was roughly handled afterward in shipping -- and
thus it shorted out on you. But, is it possilbe the mem bank on your mb the
simm was put in is itself shorted? How old is the motherboard, and has it
ever been roughly handled itself (for example, in a "tight fit" scenerio)?
Also, has the bank ever had a simm in it before, so that you know the bank
itself is okay?
In any event, 72 pin mem is not all that expensive, so you didn't loose too
much... but, neither did your dealer, and perhaps he should have given you
the benefit of a doubt to keep a repeat customer. Personally, if I knew I
was "right", I'd write the dealer a courteous but firm letter asking for a
refund or replacement simm (it is a competitive business to keep customers,
after all!)... else, I wouldn't buy from him anymore!
And now... back on topic....
..frank z.
At 12:00 AM 7/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I know this is off the topic, but I just wanted another opinion on this
>matter. If this type of stuff makes you mad don't read any more.
>
>Ok I bought some memory from a dealer and when I went to install it
>into the machine it burnt up. I checked my installation and I checked
>the connection before I turned it on as well as after. The dealer
>says it's my fault and that if I had have installed it right it can't
>burn up so I'm at fault. I'm not asking to place blame because what's
>done is done, but I'm more curious to if he's right. I've installed
>lots and lots of memory in the past with only one case of it not working
>and that was because of the manufacturer putting the slots to close to
>each other so the memory wouldn't slide fully into the socket. Can
>memory burn out from a defect in this one chip? Has anyone else seen
>this in the past?
>
>please reply privately
>
>thanks
>charlie
>
> Charles Hubbard
> Internet: charlie at felix.cc.gatech.edu
> ". . .the pope talks a lot about sex, of which he knows nothing. . ."
> - Robert Anton Wilson
>
> ". . .Some used the problems to criticize the company's Web server
> software. 'Maybe they should have bought Linux,'" --anon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From nomad at orci.com Tue Jul 22 23:30:50 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:30:50 -0600
Subject: [ale] Lessons Learned.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.156>
#1 -- If you think your disk controller is failling, check it quick
and if it might be, replace it quicker... I'm re-installing as my
whole filesystem is messed up pretty bad. I have a dd backup
of my root disk. I have to re-install RedHat from scratch in-order
to recover anything. I can't get the rescue disk or the "install"
to recognize my 4mm tape so I can't recover from it and my
backup on my hard-disk is corrupt along with my RedHat
source. Anyone know a good way to get the rescue disk
to load the modules so I can load my tape device and recover
instead of completely re-installing?
Robert
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
Email:
Robert at ast.lmco.com
http://www.orci.com/~nomad
DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Wed Jul 23 00:15:47 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:15:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.157>
Hi all. First I'd like to say that this should take about 2 seconds for
somebody to answer, because I know it's GOT to be an easy problem for some
of you, but it's driving me nuts. I'm using Slackware 3.2, and I'm trying
to get my printer configured for lpr. I've searched through the
permissions file for lpr, the lpd.conf file, services, inetd.conf, etc.
and I can't figure waht I'm doing wrong. Here's the error :
cannot open connection to `lp at blip.salug.org' - Connection refused
Again, sorry for lowering the intelligence a notch, and thanks in advance.
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Wed Jul 23 08:39:38 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.158>
It may be a problem with /etc/hosts.lpd on blip.salug.org.
It could also be lpd is not running on blip.salug.org
Try this telnet blip.salug.org 515 and see if network printing services is okay
>.
Thakns,
Christopher Fowler
Computone Corporation
On 23-Jul-97 Josh Murrah wrote:
>
>
>Hi all. First I'd like to say that this should take about 2 seconds for
>somebody to answer, because I know it's GOT to be an easy problem for some
>of you, but it's driving me nuts. I'm using Slackware 3.2, and I'm trying
>to get my printer configured for lpr. I've searched through the
>permissions file for lpr, the lpd.conf file, services, inetd.conf, etc.
>and I can't figure waht I'm doing wrong. Here's the error :
>
>cannot open connection to `lp at blip.salug.org' - Connection refused
>
>Again, sorry for lowering the intelligence a notch, and thanks in advance.
>
>Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
>--------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
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>grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
>be considered flaws or defects.
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Date: 23-Jul-97
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From dhamm at itserve.com Wed Jul 23 08:57:53 1997
From: dhamm at itserve.com (David Hamm)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.159>
If you do an "ps -x" as root does lpd show up in the list?
On 23-Jul-97 Josh Murrah wrote:
>
>
>Hi all. First I'd like to say that this should take about 2 seconds for
>somebody to answer, because I know it's GOT to be an easy problem for some
>of you, but it's driving me nuts. I'm using Slackware 3.2, and I'm trying
>to get my printer configured for lpr. I've searched through the
>permissions file for lpr, the lpd.conf file, services, inetd.conf, etc.
>and I can't figure waht I'm doing wrong. Here's the error :
>
>cannot open connection to `lp at blip.salug.org' - Connection refused
>
>Again, sorry for lowering the intelligence a notch, and thanks in advance.
>
>Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
>--------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
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>grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
>be considered flaws or defects.
------ David Hamm - dhamm at itserve.com --------
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Wed Jul 23 09:04:12 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:04:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.160>
First of all, thanks for the help so far.
What I've found is :
1) I didn't have a /etc/hosts.lpd I added this in, no help.
2) lpd isn't answering on it's port (515). <-- I think this is my prob.
3) lpd doesn't show up on a list if I do a ps -auxww.
anybody? How do I get lpd to stay running/answer it's port??
Thanks!
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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On Wed, 23 Jul 1997 c_fowler at hotmail.com wrote:
> It may be a problem with /etc/hosts.lpd on blip.salug.org.
>
> It could also be lpd is not running on blip.salug.org
>
> Try this telnet blip.salug.org 515 and see if network printing services is okay
> >.
>
> Thakns,
> Christopher Fowler
> Computone Corporation
>
> On 23-Jul-97 Josh Murrah wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hi all. First I'd like to say that this should take about 2 seconds for
> >somebody to answer, because I know it's GOT to be an easy problem for some
> >of you, but it's driving me nuts. I'm using Slackware 3.2, and I'm trying
> >to get my printer configured for lpr. I've searched through the
> >permissions file for lpr, the lpd.conf file, services, inetd.conf, etc.
> >and I can't figure waht I'm doing wrong. Here's the error :
> >
> >cannot open connection to `lp at blip.salug.org' - Connection refused
> >
> >Again, sorry for lowering the intelligence a notch, and thanks in advance.
> >
> >Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
> >--------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
> >This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
> >grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
> >be considered flaws or defects.
>
> ----------------------------------
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> Date: 23-Jul-97
> Time: 08:39:38
>
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From lfs at eskimo.com Wed Jul 23 12:34:09 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:34:09 -0700
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.161>
According to the man pages for lpd, it is usually
started from an rc file and will default to the
standard port. Try typing "lpd &" and then see
if printing works. If it does, search through
your rc scripts and see if it is commented out
or even in there and then fix them accordingly.
Josh Murrah wrote:
>
> First of all, thanks for the help so far.
>
> What I've found is :
>
> 1) I didn't have a /etc/hosts.lpd I added this in, no help.
> 2) lpd isn't answering on it's port (515). <-- I think this is my prob.
> 3) lpd doesn't show up on a list if I do a ps -auxww.
>
> anybody? How do I get lpd to stay running/answer it's port??
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
> --------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Wed Jul 23 11:01:47 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:01:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.162>
OK, here's what I think has been my problem the whole time. lpd quits
about 2 seconds after it starts. Is there something I need to setup in
the services or inetd.conf file? there's a port 'printer' in services,
but there's no mention of port 151/UDP in the inetd.conf file. Can
someone cut & paste the pertaining lines in services and inetd.conf to me?
I think that lpd doesn't have permissions to use it's port, because it's
quitting right after I start it.
Thanks again.
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
> According to the man pages for lpd, it is usually
> started from an rc file and will default to the
> standard port. Try typing "lpd &" and then see
> if printing works. If it does, search through
> your rc scripts and see if it is commented out
> or even in there and then fix them accordingly.
>
> Josh Murrah wrote:
> >
> > First of all, thanks for the help so far.
> >
> > What I've found is :
> >
> > 1) I didn't have a /etc/hosts.lpd I added this in, no help.
> > 2) lpd isn't answering on it's port (515). <-- I think this is my prob.
> > 3) lpd doesn't show up on a list if I do a ps -auxww.
> >
> > anybody? How do I get lpd to stay running/answer it's port??
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
> > --------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Wed Jul 23 11:08:14 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:08:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.163>
Oops. 515, I mean. :)
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
> According to the man pages for lpd, it is usually
> started from an rc file and will default to the
> standard port. Try typing "lpd &" and then see
> if printing works. If it does, search through
> your rc scripts and see if it is commented out
> or even in there and then fix them accordingly.
>
> Josh Murrah wrote:
> >
> > First of all, thanks for the help so far.
> >
> > What I've found is :
> >
> > 1) I didn't have a /etc/hosts.lpd I added this in, no help.
> > 2) lpd isn't answering on it's port (515). <-- I think this is my prob.
> > 3) lpd doesn't show up on a list if I do a ps -auxww.
> >
> > anybody? How do I get lpd to stay running/answer it's port??
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
> > --------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
From lfs at eskimo.com Wed Jul 23 14:21:26 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:21:26 -0700
Subject: [ale] goofy printing problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.164>
I don't have it all in my inetd.conf file because it isn't
started by inetd. It is listed in my services file as:
printer 515/tcp spooler # BSD lpd(8)
Check your messages file (or whatever is setup to receive
syslog messages) and see what it says. Perhaps that can clue
you into the problem.
Josh Murrah wrote:
>
> OK, here's what I think has been my problem the whole time. lpd quits
> about 2 seconds after it starts. Is there something I need to setup in
> the services or inetd.conf file? there's a port 'printer' in services,
> but there's no mention of port 151/UDP in the inetd.conf file. Can
> someone cut & paste the pertaining lines in services and inetd.conf to me?
> I think that lpd doesn't have permissions to use it's port, because it's
> quitting right after I start it.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From mivey at realminfo.com Wed Jul 23 11:28:23 1997
From: mivey at realminfo.com (Michael Ivey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:28:23 -0400
Subject: [ale] Non-interactive fdisk
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.165>
Anybody know how to run fdisk non-interactively? ie: command line arguments?
I'd like to avoid hacking the src, if possible.
Danke.
--
Michael Ivey, Senior Technical Manager
Realm Information Technologies
(770) 446-1332 x 114
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Wed Jul 23 11:33:02 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:33:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.166>
Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
will work to print a partition table and quit.
You just have to know exactly what commands need to be entered when.
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From mivey at realminfo.com Wed Jul 23 11:44:41 1997
From: mivey at realminfo.com (Michael Ivey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:44:41 -0400
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.167>
On Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:33 AM, Dan Newcombe
wrote:
> Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
> echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
> will work to print a partition table and quit.
Nope. Doesn't work.
--
Michael Ivey, Senior Technical Manager
Realm Information Technologies
(770) 446-1332 x 114
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Wed Jul 23 11:51:56 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:51:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.168>
Yes it does
I hope you didn't just put ^ M, you have to press Cntrl-V then Cntrl-M
root at mordor~/cdindex$ echo p^Mo^M | fdisk
Using /dev/hda as default device!
Command (m for help):
Disk /dev/hda: 128 heads, 63 sectors, 620 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8064 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 1 1 511 2060320+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hda2 * 512 512 613 411264 83 Linux native
/dev/hda3 614 614 620 28224 82 Linux swap
Command (m for help): You have some generic new mail
root at mordor~/cdindex$
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Michael Ivey wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:33 AM, Dan Newcombe
> wrote:
> > Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
> > echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
> > will work to print a partition table and quit.
>
> Nope. Doesn't work.
>
> --
> Michael Ivey, Senior Technical Manager
> Realm Information Technologies
>
> (770) 446-1332 x 114
>
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From mivey at realminfo.com Wed Jul 23 11:57:03 1997
From: mivey at realminfo.com (Michael Ivey)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:57:03 -0400
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.169>
On Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:52 AM, Dan Newcombe
[SMTP:newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu] wrote:
> Yes it does
>
> I hope you didn't just put ^ M, you have to press Cntrl-V then Cntrl-M
Of course. Are you using bash? I get fdisk spewing its command prompt over
and over and over.
--
Michael Ivey, Senior Technical Manager
Realm Information Technologies
(770) 446-1332 x 114
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Wed Jul 23 13:10:04 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:10:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.170>
I tried this, and I got endless ^M's (it seemed like), the fdisk prompt
scrolled endlessly.
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
--------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
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On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Michael Ivey wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 23, 1997 11:33 AM, Dan Newcombe
> wrote:
> > Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
> > echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
> > will work to print a partition table and quit.
>
> Nope. Doesn't work.
>
> --
> Michael Ivey, Senior Technical Manager
> Realm Information Technologies
>
> (770) 446-1332 x 114
>
From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Wed Jul 23 13:59:17 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.171>
> I tried this, and I got endless ^M's (it seemed like), the fdisk prompt
> scrolled endlessly.
> > wrote:
> > > Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
> > > echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
> > > will work to print a partition table and quit.
Well, here's what I'm using
root at mordor~$ bash -version
GNU bash, version 1.14.7(1)
root at mordor~$ fdisk -v
fdisk v2.1 (>4GB)
root at mordor~$ /bin/echo --version
echo - GNU sh-utils 1.12
Though I usually just use the built-in shell version of echo, the other
one worked just fine as well.
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From smyth at duke.eas.gatech.edu Wed Jul 23 13:15:07 1997
From: smyth at duke.eas.gatech.edu (Scott Smyth)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:15:07 -0400
Subject: [ale] Slackware upgrades
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970722160003.00679db8@iglobal.net.172>
This meeting someone was asking about the lpr daemon
not working for slackware 3.2. There are service pack
upgrades for 3.2 at http://www.cdrom.com/.
Also, you can upgrade to XFree86 3.2 with little hassle
from there for Slackware.
Scott
__
Dr. Scott Smyth: scott.smyth at eas.gatech.edu
EAS at Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, GA 30332 ph: (404) 894-1512 fax: 4-1776
====================================================
From geof at abraxis.com Wed Jul 23 22:58:56 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Technical Support (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707240258.WAA02667@abraxis.com.173>
}Forwarded-by: Nadeen Ahmed
}
}
}One of Microsoft's finest techs was drafted and sent to boot camp.
}At the rifle range, he was given some instruction, a rifle and
}bullets. He fired several shots at the target. The report came from
}the target area that all attempts had completely missed the target.
}The tech looked at his rifle, and then at the target. He looked
}at the rifle again, and then at the target again. He put his finger
}over the end of the rifle barrel and squeezed the trigger with his
}other hand. The end of his finger was blown off, whereupon he yelled
}toward the target area: "It's leaving here just fine, the trouble
}must be at your end!"
}
}
--
Until later:
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Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From geof at abraxis.com Wed Jul 23 23:03:25 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:03:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] re: running fdisk automatically
Message-ID: <199707240303.XAA02750@abraxis.com.174>
}> I tried this, and I got endless ^M's (it seemed like), the fdisk prompt
}> scrolled endlessly.
}> > wrote:
}> > > Just put together a list of commands and use it as standard input.
}> > > echo p^Mq^M |fdisk
}> > > will work to print a partition table and quit.
}
}Well, here's what I'm using
}root at mordor~$ bash -version
}GNU bash, version 1.14.7(1)
}root at mordor~$ fdisk -v
}fdisk v2.1 (>4GB)
}root at mordor~$ /bin/echo --version
}echo - GNU sh-utils 1.12
}
}Though I usually just use the built-in shell version of echo, the other
}one worked just fine as well.
Works for me with a simple:
echo "p\nq\n" | fdisk /dev/sda
running /bin/ksh PD KSH v5.1.3 94/12/22
}
}--
}Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
}"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
}I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
}
}
--
Until later:
Geoffrey Myers geof at abraxis.com http://www.abraxis.com/geof
Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From geof at abraxis.com Wed Jul 23 23:04:13 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 23:04:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Taking the genre about as far as it will go. (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707240304.XAA02764@abraxis.com.175>
}Forwarded-by: Keith Bostic
}Forwarded-by: Christophe Kalt
}Forwarded-by: Cliff Miller
}From: Peter Schroeder
}
}Windows 95: n.
} 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an
} 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor,
} written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
}
}
--
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From nomad at orci.com Thu Jul 24 12:10:48 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 10:10:48 -0600
Subject: [ale] re-install of slackware and/or redhat.
Message-ID: <199707240304.XAA02764@abraxis.com.176>
I am trying to re-install redhat and/or slackware. Last night
I did a "get slackware.tar" and it downloaded to my win95
box happily and with no-errors. (I did bin,prompt,hash before
I started the d/l.) Today I'm trying to un-tar it using tar for
dos which has always worked great for me. Now it's not
finding packages for installation.
Anyone seen this?
Robert
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From nomad at orci.com Thu Jul 24 19:31:07 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 17:31:07 -0600
Subject: [ale] Pap and Chap
Message-ID: <199707240304.XAA02764@abraxis.com.177>
Ok,
Machine is finally on-line again. It appears that downloading
RedHat from ftp.cc.gatech, ftp.redhat.com and ftp.funet.fi (? I think)
I got a corrupt i386.tar each time. I borroed a CD from a friend and
it installed nicely for once. Now I need to get my ISDN back online.
I saved all my scripts, but forgot to backup /etc/ppp before it
died. If someone can make me a copy of thiers I'd really appreciate
it. For your server, login and passwd, can you please replace them
with the following values so it will be easier as I'm still real new to
pap and chap?
Server: rocky
Login: nomad
PW: 11111111
Thanks.
Robert
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From shamrock at netcom.com Thu Jul 24 17:48:22 1997
From: shamrock at netcom.com (Lucky Green)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:48:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ale] Re: d-day
Message-ID: <199707240304.XAA02764@abraxis.com.178>
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Dave K-P wrote:
>
> So, before you run off to play with your new toys, read the
> warranty first. Also there are platforms that PGP 5.0 doesn't cover yet
> that PGP 2.6.3i already does, such as: MS-DOS, OS/2, Amiga, Atari,
> Macintosh, BeOS and Linux. Until such a time, a world-wide conversion
> seems unlikely.
The Linux beta of PGP 5.0 is available at
http://www.pgp.com/products/50-linux-beta.cgi
Once the scanning effort (91% proofread) has completed, PGP 5.0 for a
wide variety of OS'es is only a matter of time.
-- Lucky Green PGP encrypted mail preferred
From jamesp at area51.homecom.com Fri Jul 25 00:45:03 1997
From: jamesp at area51.homecom.com (james pancoast)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:45:03 -0400
Subject: [ale] SCSI Drives and Controllers
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970725004447.00806100@area51.homecom.com.179>
I want to put a SCSI Hard Drive in one of my Linux boxes. For the Hard
drive, I'm considering the Seagate Cheetah 4LP, but am willing to hear
other peoples suggestions/comments on it. Now, I've been out of town for
the past 3 weeks, and I've only heard bit's and pieces of someones saga
with his 3940UW. I was considering a 2940UW (Adaptec, for those of you
that don't know), but am starting to think twice about it. Does anyone out
there have any help or suggestions? This box only runs Linux, so I only
have to worry about whether it works for Linux or not. Any
help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
==============================================================================
Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
From jamesp at area51.homecom.com Thu Jul 24 23:57:55 1997
From: jamesp at area51.homecom.com (james pancoast)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 23:57:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] 'Tux' the Linux mascot...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970725004447.00806100@area51.homecom.com.180>
This will probably sound like a stupid question, but most questions are
when it's 1am... In a recent LJ issue, they had a picture of a linux box
at a Caldera booth at some show, and on top of the monitor was a stuffed
penguin... does anyone know where I can get one of these? Or did they
just grab one from a toy store?
----------------------------------
jamesp at area51.homecom.com
The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.
"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."
Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Fri Jul 25 01:06:48 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:06:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] 'Tux' the Linux mascot...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970725004447.00806100@area51.homecom.com.181>
I'm not for sure, but _some_ ALE people should know ,there were some at
the ALS a little while back...
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
--------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects.
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, james pancoast wrote:
>
> This will probably sound like a stupid question, but most questions are
> when it's 1am... In a recent LJ issue, they had a picture of a linux box
> at a Caldera booth at some show, and on top of the monitor was a stuffed
> penguin... does anyone know where I can get one of these? Or did they
> just grab one from a toy store?
>
> ----------------------------------
> jamesp at area51.homecom.com
> The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette.
> "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."
> Artificial Intelligence usually beats real stupidity.
>
From dread at atlcom.net Fri Jul 25 03:01:36 1997
From: dread at atlcom.net (andy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:01:36 -0400
Subject: [ale] Xserver for Win32
Message-ID: <33D84F50.DE80BB3D@atlcom.net.182>
here are some photos of Linux applications running on my windogs95
desktop from
my linux server. If anyone is interested I will send the win32 Xserver
to you.
it runs on winlags95 or NT.
/usr/bin/andy
From bryan at cc.gatech.edu Fri Jul 25 08:54:18 1997
From: bryan at cc.gatech.edu (Bryan E. Rank)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:54:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Xserver for Win32
Message-ID: <33D84F50.DE80BB3D@atlcom.net.183>
Hi Andy,
I would like to have a look at it.
Bryan
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, andy wrote:
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 03:01:36 -0400
> From: andy
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: [ale] Xserver for Win32
>
> here are some photos of Linux applications running on my windogs95
> desktop from
> my linux server. If anyone is interested I will send the win32 Xserver
> to you.
> it runs on winlags95 or NT.
>
> /usr/bin/andy
>
From robert at ast.lmco.com Fri Jul 25 10:12:08 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 08:12:08 -0600
Subject: [ale] SCSI Drives and Controllers
Message-ID: <33D84F50.DE80BB3D@atlcom.net.184>
james pancoast wrote:
>
>
> I want to put a SCSI Hard Drive in one of my Linux boxes. For the Hard
> drive, I'm considering the Seagate Cheetah 4LP, but am willing to hear
> other peoples suggestions/comments on it. Now, I've been out of town for
> the past 3 weeks, and I've only heard bit's and pieces of someones saga
> with his 3940UW. I was considering a 2940UW (Adaptec, for those of you
> that don't know), but am starting to think twice about it. Does anyone out
> there have any help or suggestions? This box only runs Linux, so I only
> have to worry about whether it works for Linux or not. Any
> help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> ==============================================================================
> Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
> Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
> mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
James,
I'm the guy with the 3940UW. Once I got the right card, and all the
right
connectors, it's working great. Very fast and no extra configuration
needed.
If you don't need the dual channels, a 2940 works great also. Note the
differences
on the cards though. A 2940UW has a 68Pin external, a 68Pin internal
and a 50Pin
internal. A 3940UW had all 3 as 68Pin. If the drives you're gonna be
buying
are all Wide, The 3940would work fine, but for me all my internal drives
are
Narrow and would have required $350 in converters and cables, had
Adaptec not
been a good company...
Robert
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From dread at atlcom.net Fri Jul 25 11:05:30 1997
From: dread at atlcom.net (andy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:05:30 -0400
Subject: [ale] Win32 Xserver
Message-ID: <33D8C0BA.516DCB16@atlcom.net.185>
Its seems ale server will not accept my 200k attachment (the pics)
so here is the info Xwin32 can be found
http://www.starnet.com/docs/xwin32.html
if anybody wants the screen caps I will send them directly to you
/usr/bin/andy
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Fri Jul 25 11:16:19 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:16:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] Win32 Xserver
Message-ID: <33D8C0BA.516DCB16@atlcom.net.186>
Couly you send some caps this way? Thanks!
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
be considered flaws or defects.
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, andy wrote:
> Its seems ale server will not accept my 200k attachment (the pics)
> so here is the info Xwin32 can be found
> http://www.starnet.com/docs/xwin32.html
>
> if anybody wants the screen caps I will send them directly to you
>
> /usr/bin/andy
>
From dread at atlcom.net Fri Jul 25 13:17:49 1997
From: dread at atlcom.net (root)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:17:49 -0400
Subject: [ale] Win32 Xserver
Message-ID: <33D8DFBD.6B8B8545@atlcom.net.187>
Josh Murrah wrote:
>
> Couly you send some caps this way? Thanks!
>
> Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
> --------------------------~~~===<[^]>===~~~------------------------------
> This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and
> grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to
> be considered flaws or defects.
>
> On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, andy wrote:
>
> > Its seems ale server will not accept my 200k attachment (the pics)
> > so here is the info Xwin32 can be found
> > http://www.starnet.com/docs/xwin32.html
> >
> > if anybody wants the screen caps I will send them directly to you
> >
> > /usr/bin/andy
> >
I will do so as soon as I get back home tonight. I am able to run XV,
looking
glass, netscape, I can even do a make xconfig on my win95 box.. Pretty
cool.
now I dont have to worry about switching monitors when I want to do X
stuff on my
Linux box. (only have one monitor)
/usr/bin/andy
From geof at abraxis.com Fri Jul 25 13:33:40 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] The i2o Bus: A Conspiracy Against Free Software? (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707251733.NAA00331@abraxis.com.188>
Has anyone heard of this 'i2o' standard. I checked out the web site mentioned
and it looks for real. Does anyone see a way around this specification in
order to implement Linux support? Kinda scary for 'non-members.' You can
check out a list of the 'member' companies at:
http://www.i2osig.org/Members.html
There's a bunch of them. Is this for real or a sick joke???
}Forwarded-by: Felix von Leitner
}
}This was forwarded back and forth about ten times. I got it from the
}linux-kernel mailing list. It originated from Bruce Perens, the Debian
}project leader (an important Linux distribution).
}
}-----Forwarded message from bruce at pixar.com-----
}
}Bruce Perens (bruce at pixar.com)
}Wed, 16 Jul 97 11:40 PDT
}
}
}Check out http://www.i2osig.org/ "i2o" is a developing "non-proprietary"
}standard for high-performance computer peripherals. Unfortunately, it's a
}closed standard, it requires a NDA, and you need a license to develop
}software for it. Their terms are:
}
} Membership is $5000/year.
} You can't develop software or hardware for it without being a member.
} You can't disclose source code for your drivers.
} You must stop making hardware or software for it if you lose membership
}.
} Members can vote out other members.
}
}The backers of this are Microsoft, Novell, Hewlet-Packard, and NETFrame.
}It looks as if the i2o agreements are deliberately written to exclude free
}software.
}
}I suspect that if i2o peripherals become popular, free operating systems
}will be locked out from running on PC hardware.
}
}Please take a look at this and give me a reality check.
}
} Thanks
}
} Bruce Perens
} Debian Project Leader
}-----End of forwarded message-----
}
}The joke about it is that apparently, the admins of the ftp.i2osig.org
}FTP server forgot to disable anonymous FTP for a brief period over the
}last weekend, and so a someone found the PDF document with the
}specification there, downloaded it and spread the word. The ftp server
}has been down since then, always loaded with the maximum user number ;)
}When they finally noticed their problem, they removed the file, but the
}damage was done.
}
}Now people are speculating whether it was a mistake on their side or
}some benevolent admin or company put it there "accidentally" for the
}free software community.
}
}Felix
}
}
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Geoffrey Myers geof at abraxis.com http://www.abraxis.com/geof
Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From ken at seefried.com Fri Jul 25 14:05:11 1997
From: ken at seefried.com (Ken Seefried)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:05:11 -0400
Subject: [ale] The i2o Bus: A Conspiracy Against Free Software? (fwd)
Message-ID: <199707251733.NAA00331@abraxis.com.189>
Actually, there seems to be one primary ringleader: Intel.
My understanding is that the the I2O standard is built around having an
Intel i960 processor on the motherboard as an I/O processor to impliment
the "standard". Thus, Intel gets to sell you not only your CPU and
(usually) your motherboard chipset, they get to sell you a second CPU
for the I/O processor.
Not that this is an all bad idea. Many high performance I/O devices
(such as RAID controllers and laser printers) use the i960 to offload
the main CPU. It's a pretty cool chip.
Unfortunately, the terms do look pretty ominous.
- Ken
From c_fowler at hotmail.com Fri Jul 25 15:29:44 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:29:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Slave printing
Message-ID: <199707251733.NAA00331@abraxis.com.190>
I'm trying to do salve printing to a wyse50 terminal with a serial printer attac
hed. The problem is that when I try to print to this printer I can also send da
ta out the port screwing up the original printout. This can cause some real pro
blems. Is there some frewware out there that will help me solve this issue or d
oe any of you know what I can do for this?
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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From epaynter at greensboroday.org Fri Jul 25 17:56:54 1997
From: epaynter at greensboroday.org (ED PAYNTER)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 17:56:54 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux proxy server
Message-ID: <199707251733.NAA00331@abraxis.com.191>
Dear ALE:
My name is Ed Paynter and I am the network administrator for
Greensboro Day School, a K-12 school located in Greensboro, NC. Our
school has recently (last December) installed a campus Ethernet network
to connect our classrooms to file services and the Internet via a 256K
fractional T-1 line. We have about 120 Macs (from LC-550s to PowerPC
5400s) and 25 PCs (486 and Pentiums). We use Windows NT 3.51 and
Microsoft IIS as our Internet server.
I would like to use Linux as a caching proxy server to speed up access
since quite frequently 10-20 of our machines access the same sites in
classroom situations, often for a couple of days at a time. I have
been told that this is possible but can find little information or
support from local sources as Linux is not a commercially profitable
item for consultants (they suggest Microsoft Proxy Server, etc.), but I
currently do not have funds for setting up such a system.
What I do have is several extra 486 DX-100 machines with up to 32 meg
of RAM, a couple of 1 gig hard drives, several Intel EtherExpress
Pro-10 NICs, a new copy of RedHat Linux that was given to me and the
desire to make it work.
My first question is: Will it work? With the hardware I have, can I
build an adequate Linux-based proxy server that will help our Internet
access speed.
My second question is: Assuming the answer to the first question is
yes, will I need additional software (proxy-services,etc.) in order to
setup the proxy or are they a part of Linux.
And my last question: Assuming that both 1 & 2 are answered yes,
could I use this same machine as a firewall for our network. It seems
logical to assume that a proxy server could also act as a firewall.
Currently, we have little protection from the Internet (our main
protection is that we are probably a very boring site and thus of
little interest to hackers) and the fact that our fileserver uses only
IPX and AppleTalk with no drive mapping to our Internet server. We do
nightly backups just in case.
I hope you may be able to advise me on this. I am a newcomer to Linux
but it seems to be a very stable operating system and I intend to learn
as much as possible about it. We have several teachers who may be
interested in making it part of their Introduction to Operating Systems
curriculum and I would be expected to support them. Thank you for your
time and consideration.
Ed Paynter
--
Edward Paynter
Manager of Information Systems
Greensboro Day School
Greensboro, North Carolina
From dread at atlcom.net Fri Jul 25 19:21:42 1997
From: dread at atlcom.net (andy)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:21:42 -0400
Subject: [ale] Win32 Xserver
Message-ID: <33D93505.E484E21C@atlcom.net.192>
more news. It seems like the one that's available on the web site has a
timeout after 2 hours.
The version that I have at home is not limited. I downloaded
from http://www.starnet.com/docs/xwin32.html today and installed on my
system at work and that one is limited to 2 hours. f any one wants the
unlimited version please let me know ans I will email it to you as the
ale server blasts any
message with attachments into oblivion. I sent screen caps
to all that requested but some addresses were screwed up
if you did not get the screencaps then send me your correct
email address and I will send them to you and also the unlimited Xserver
at your request.
/usr/bin/andy
Ps I do not remember where i got the unlimited version but I have it.
From tlewis at mindspring.net Sat Jul 26 06:58:09 1997
From: tlewis at mindspring.net (Todd Graham Lewis)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 06:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Latin-1 tricks!
Message-ID: <33D93505.E484E21C@atlcom.net.193>
People keep being amazed that they can clear up their screen with a simple:
# echo -e '\017'
or, more often, just don't know exactly what this proper escape code is.
(For those who don't know what I'm talking about, do something like "less
/usr/local/bin/netscape" and see if your console gods to garbage. Or,
even easier, do a "echo -e '\016'.)
There are other problems with charset management under Linux, too, most of
which for me boil down to simply not knowing what goes on. I discovered
today that both "ascii(7)" and "iso_8859_1(7)" have their own man pages.
They're nice, but to see every single character which your console is
capable of displaying, try the following handy-dandy shell script,
complete with disgusting octal hack:
#!/bin/sh
# Begins at j=3 for your sanity and mine; change to 0 if you like.
i=0
j=3
k=0
echo "\t\t\tiso_8859_1(Latin-1) Charset"
echo "\t\t\t==========================="
while [[ $k -lt 4 ]]
do
while [[ $j -lt 8 ]]
do
while [[ $i -lt 8 ]]
do
if [[ $i -eq 4 ]]
then
echo
fi
# My favorite, the cent mark, is 0242,
# which is easy enough to remember.
((num=64*$k+8*$j+$i))
echo -n "$num($k$j$i): "
echo -n "\0$k$j$i\t"
((i++))
done
i=0
echo
((j++))
done
j=0
((k++))
done
Boldly going where no man has been stupid enough to go before...
--
Todd Graham Lewis Manager of Web Engineering MindSpring Enterprises
(800) 719-4664, x2804 Linux! tlewis at mindspring.net
From tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net Sat Jul 26 08:44:11 1997
From: tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net (Thompson Freeman)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 08:44:11 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux proxy server
Message-ID: <9707260844.ZM20353@tfreeman.vnet.net.194>
On Jul 25, 5:56pm, ED PAYNTER wrote:
> Subject: [ale] Linux proxy server
> Dear ALE:
> My name is Ed Paynter and I am the network administrator for
> Greensboro Day School, a K-12 school located in Greensboro, NC. Our
> school has recently (last December) installed a campus Ethernet network
<>
> My first question is: Will it work? With the hardware I have, can I
> build an adequate Linux-based proxy server that will help our Internet
> access speed.
I have not done so myself. However, it should work like a champ unless I missed
something intensely obvious.
> My second question is: Assuming the answer to the first question is
> yes, will I need additional software (proxy-services,etc.) in order to
> setup the proxy or are they a part of Linux.
> And my last question: Assuming that both 1 & 2 are answered yes,
> could I use this same machine as a firewall for our network. It seems
> logical to assume that a proxy server could also act as a firewall.
Linux can serve as a firewall. If you are stuck about 10 days from now, I can
forward your note to an Internet security friend of mine (he is on vacation at
the moment - do not disturb 8-)).
> Currently, we have little protection from the Internet (our main
> protection is that we are probably a very boring site and thus of
> little interest to hackers) and the fact that our fileserver uses only
> IPX and AppleTalk with no drive mapping to our Internet server. We do
> nightly backups just in case.
<>
>-- End of excerpt from ED PAYNTER
Ed:
You have two Linux Users Groups in your area to enlist also; name of TLUG and
PLUG, Triad Linux User's Group and Piedmont Linux User's Group. TLUG meets at
the Barnes & Nobel on the third Monday of the month (I think) in High Point.
PLUG is in Winston Salem, but I don't know where the next meeting is or when.
Both groups are listed with GLUE - groups of linux user's everywhere.
I went to the last TLUG meeting, and two young men attending looked to have the
expertise you need. Wish I could give you their names, but I cann't. The
contact person would know, however.
You might also check with the people running Charlotte's Web
(http://www.charweb.org/). They may or may not be in a position to be helpful
at your distance. Money may be involved with them, however.
Hope this helps, and hope you will keep things posted as to successful
progress.
--
Thompson Freeman tfreeman at vnet.net
========================================================
Student of Chemistry and other Philosophical Studies
!! Free Knowledge! Bring your own bucket and shovel!
========================================================
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Sat Jul 26 10:00:58 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:00:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux proxy server
Message-ID: <199707261400.KAA12881@smtp.automatedlogic.com.195>
Ed,
You can accomplish a caching web proxy using Apache under Linux.
Apache comes with RedHat, but the last version of it I installed
(4.0) did not have the necessary Apache modules (you should be
using atleast Apache 1.2). If your version does not have the
latest Apache code or the necessary Apache proxy module, then
you can get it from www.apache.org (or a mirror site). Compiling
it is fairly straight forward. All directions on setting up
Apache are at www.apache.org as well.
Your hardware list seems fine to me with the exception of the
Intel EtherExpress cards. I've found from personal experience
they don't handle heavy loads well under Linux. This may have
changed. Check the Linux Hardware HOWTO (available from the
Linux Documentation Project at www.cc.gatech.edu/Linux/LDP/).
And getting Linux to act as a firewall is not very hard. Just
use two ethernet cards and don't route traffic between them.
After that, you have a myriad of choices when it comes to the
different firewall implementations available. I would assume
that you would want your firewall to pass more than web traffic.
You can find more information on this from the Linux Firewall
HOWTO.
Once you have Apache up and running as your web caching proxy,
you could also chunk IIS as Apache is a web server. Just
a hint.
Take it easy and have fun with Linux.
-Andy
>
> Dear ALE:
> My name is Ed Paynter and I am the network administrator for
> Greensboro Day School, a K-12 school located in Greensboro, NC. Our
> school has recently (last December) installed a campus Ethernet network
> to connect our classrooms to file services and the Internet via a 256K
> fractional T-1 line. We have about 120 Macs (from LC-550s to PowerPC
> 5400s) and 25 PCs (486 and Pentiums). We use Windows NT 3.51 and
> Microsoft IIS as our Internet server.
> I would like to use Linux as a caching proxy server to speed up access
> since quite frequently 10-20 of our machines access the same sites in
> classroom situations, often for a couple of days at a time. I have
> been told that this is possible but can find little information or
> support from local sources as Linux is not a commercially profitable
> item for consultants (they suggest Microsoft Proxy Server, etc.), but I
> currently do not have funds for setting up such a system.
> What I do have is several extra 486 DX-100 machines with up to 32 meg
> of RAM, a couple of 1 gig hard drives, several Intel EtherExpress
> Pro-10 NICs, a new copy of RedHat Linux that was given to me and the
> desire to make it work.
> My first question is: Will it work? With the hardware I have, can I
> build an adequate Linux-based proxy server that will help our Internet
> access speed.
> My second question is: Assuming the answer to the first question is
> yes, will I need additional software (proxy-services,etc.) in order to
> setup the proxy or are they a part of Linux.
> And my last question: Assuming that both 1 & 2 are answered yes,
> could I use this same machine as a firewall for our network. It seems
> logical to assume that a proxy server could also act as a firewall.
> Currently, we have little protection from the Internet (our main
> protection is that we are probably a very boring site and thus of
> little interest to hackers) and the fact that our fileserver uses only
> IPX and AppleTalk with no drive mapping to our Internet server. We do
> nightly backups just in case.
> I hope you may be able to advise me on this. I am a newcomer to Linux
> but it seems to be a very stable operating system and I intend to learn
> as much as possible about it. We have several teachers who may be
> interested in making it part of their Introduction to Operating Systems
> curriculum and I would be expected to support them. Thank you for your
> time and consideration.
>
> Ed Paynter
>
> --
> Edward Paynter
> Manager of Information Systems
> Greensboro Day School
> Greensboro, North Carolina
>
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net Sat Jul 26 13:08:43 1997
From: gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net (Lisa Chiang)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 13:08:43 -0400
Subject: [ale] installing StarOffice 3.1
Message-ID: <199707261400.KAA12881@smtp.automatedlogic.com.196>
I need a German translator. I tried to install StarOffice 3.1 but when
I run the installation script, "setup" it gives me the following script
error:
Line 1: syntax error at token 'I' expected declator; i.e. File ...
This error is documented under "Frage 4.2" in the german FAQ at
http://www.stardiv.de/staroffice/linux/index.html.
Can anybody translate this for me? (I would have pasted it into this
email but I can't seem to get it to cut and paste.)
Thanks.
--
Lisa Chiang
gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Sat Jul 26 14:34:49 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:34:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] installing StarOffice 3.1
Message-ID: <199707261834.OAA13543@smtp.automatedlogic.com.197>
I'd also like to know the answer as i ran into the same
problem when installing StarOffice. I can get it to run
by putting the following line in my .bashrc:
. /opt/StarOffice/linux-x86/bin/sd.sh
Well, I may have the path wrong, but it was something like
that. However, this still gives you some problems as
the setup program creates some user directories and stuff
that I don't have (and hence StarOffice complains about).
>
> I need a German translator. I tried to install StarOffice 3.1 but when
> I run the installation script, "setup" it gives me the following script
> error:
>
> Line 1: syntax error at token 'I' expected declator; i.e. File ...
>
>
> This error is documented under "Frage 4.2" in the german FAQ at
> http://www.stardiv.de/staroffice/linux/index.html.
>
> Can anybody translate this for me? (I would have pasted it into this
> email but I can't seem to get it to cut and paste.)
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Lisa Chiang
> gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net
>
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Sat Jul 26 14:51:35 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] installing StarOffice 3.1
Message-ID: <199707261851.OAA13604@smtp.automatedlogic.com.198>
Actually, I just found the answer on their english web site.
The english faq is at http://www.stardiv.com/support/ssc/linuxfaq.html.
The basic explanation is that you need to have atleast libc-5.4.4.
Consult the faq for more information.
>
> I need a German translator. I tried to install StarOffice 3.1 but when
> I run the installation script, "setup" it gives me the following script
> error:
>
> Line 1: syntax error at token 'I' expected declator; i.e. File ...
>
>
> This error is documented under "Frage 4.2" in the german FAQ at
> http://www.stardiv.de/staroffice/linux/index.html.
>
> Can anybody translate this for me? (I would have pasted it into this
> email but I can't seem to get it to cut and paste.)
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Lisa Chiang
> gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net
>
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From jknapka at mindspring.com Sat Jul 26 15:43:01 1997
From: jknapka at mindspring.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:43:01 -0400
Subject: [ale] Very bad kernel OOPSes.
Message-ID: <199707261943.PAA00140@localhost.199>
Hello, ALErs.
I've got a 486 that I've been running Linux on without any trouble for
about four years now. However, a few weeks ago I made some hardware
changes, and things have begun to act screwy. Perhaps someone has
had a similar experience, or knows more about hardware issues than
I; any advice is appreciated.
The symptom is that after the machine has been up and running for
about two days, processes start to die with very bad looking OOPS
messages, among them:
"Can't handle kernel paging request at "
"General protection 0000"
"Can't handle kernel null pointer dereference at "
When the problem manifests itself, this happens as soon as I try to
start some particular executable. Sometimes it's Maelstrom, sometimes
it's ping, sometimes it's popclient, sometimes it's more than one of
the above. Any other executable I try works OK; it's always a
particular program or set of programs that triggers the problem, just
not always the same one(s). But everything works fine for at least a
day or two before this starts to occur. Also, when this problem
occurs, memory usage is not necessarily particularly high. The last
time it happened, I couldn't run ping or popclient or lynx, but I
could start xemacs without any trouble, and top claimed that only
10M out of the 24M of physical ram was in use; swap usage was
something like 15M out of 64M.
I can think of two things that may have precipitated this, and I'd
like y'all's opinion as to which is the most fruitful place to search.
(1) I installed 16M of ram, in two 8M 60ns SIMMS. I removed a pair of
4M 60ns SIMMS, but left in 8M worth of 1M 80ns SIMMS. (Before you say
"Duhh", I needed the 60ns chips for a Cyrix 686 machine I just
aquired, which doesn't like the 80ns chips.) All the RAM passes its
power-on test OK.
(2) I installed an old Seagate 42100 2G SCSI HD, which I got for
free. It seems to work fine, although it is the size of a small
refrigerator. I'm not sure I have it terminated correctly, because I
have inadequate documentation, and Seagate doesn't support this drive
anymore on its web site. There are four jumper pins on the drive that
look relevant, labelled as follows:
1 3
2 4
3&4 = "Term pwr to bus"
1&2 = "Term pwr from drv"
2&4 = "Term pwr from bus"
At the moment the "Term pwr from drv" jumper is set. Any idea how
these should be set? I don't know enough about SCSI to know if
termination problems could ever cause this kind of bad behavior. BTW I
can also talk to my T4000 SCSI tape fine; it was previously the only
device on the chain, and I removed its termination resistors before
adding the Seagate to the end of the chain. I'm using a cheapo
53C810 SCSI card, which I've heard is supposed to be very tolerant
of termination problems (which may mean, "It'll only fail every
couple of days.")
Finally, I'm running an unpatched 2.0.27 kernel.
Once again, TIA for any advice.
- Joe Knapka (aka "Clueless Joe")
From dwt at atlanta.com Sat Jul 26 18:01:35 1997
From: dwt at atlanta.com (Doug Todd)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:01:35 -0400
Subject: [ale] Xserver for Win32
Message-ID: <199707261943.PAA00140@localhost.200>
andy wrote:
>
> here are some photos of Linux applications running on my windogs95
> desktop from
> my linux server. If anyone is interested I will send the win32 Xserver
> to you.
> it runs on winlags95 or NT.
>
> /usr/bin/andy
Yes, and the really cool thing is that you can run xbill on Win95 ->
Doug
From urbmsix at panther.gsu.edu Sat Jul 26 19:54:00 1997
From: urbmsix at panther.gsu.edu (Mir S Islam)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] shadow and stupidity..
Message-ID: <199707262354.TAA13892@panther.Gsu.EDU.201>
Help ! I had shadow installed in my redhat system. (Actually I copied
the /bin/passwd, /bin/login etc in RH 4.1 while transferring from slackware)
Problem is I was upgrading the system and did not make backup copies of
those files. Now I can't log back in.Redhat replaced those files with
its own login, passwd files.
If anyone has slackware+shadow suite installed please email me the
following files. Unless there is another way to fix this.
Thanks.
files I need. Bin login is the one I need most. Rest I can rebuild.
Thanks again.
Mir
/bin/su
/bin/login
/usr/bin/passwd
/usr/bin/newgrp
/usr/bin/chfn
/usr/bin/chsh
A
A
A
?? /usr/bin/id
From nomad at orci.com Sun Jul 27 00:25:50 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:25:50 -0600
Subject: [ale] mount
Message-ID: <199707262354.TAA13892@panther.Gsu.EDU.202>
Ok,
I'm making progress but now when I try to manually
mount a filesystem mount core dumps on me. I'm trying to
find the latest version of mount. Anyone think I'm on the
wrong path? I just upgraded from kernel 2.0.30 to 2.1.46...
Robert
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Email:
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These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sat Jul 26 20:45:20 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:45:20 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] mount
Message-ID: <199707270045.AAA22217@ricker.gt.ed.net.203>
On 26 Jul, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> Ok,
> I'm making progress but now when I try to manually
> mount a filesystem mount core dumps on me. I'm trying to
> find the latest version of mount. Anyone think I'm on the
> wrong path? I just upgraded from kernel 2.0.30 to 2.1.46...
What type of filesystem are you trying to mount? Have you tried with
2.1.47 (46 is pretty buggy regarding filesystems, not that 47 is
perfect)? How about a more stable 2.1.x (the filesystem code in the
current 2.1.x releases is being heavily re-done, so lots of stuff is
currently broken)?
As for mount, the Documentation/Changes file recommends at least 2.6g,
which is available from
ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/util/mount-2.6g.tar.gz . I believe
2.7a's out now, but AFAIK 2.6g will work for everything, so I haven't
updated that part of Changes.
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Sun Jul 27 00:45:33 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:45:33 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] mount
Message-ID: <199707270445.WAA08908@rocky.orci.com.204>
>
> On 26 Jul, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > Ok,
> > I'm making progress but now when I try to manually
> > mount a filesystem mount core dumps on me. I'm trying to
> > find the latest version of mount. Anyone think I'm on the
> > wrong path? I just upgraded from kernel 2.0.30 to 2.1.46...
>
> What type of filesystem are you trying to mount? Have you tried with
> 2.1.47 (46 is pretty buggy regarding filesystems, not that 47 is
> perfect)? How about a more stable 2.1.x (the filesystem code in the
> current 2.1.x releases is being heavily re-done, so lots of stuff is
> currently broken)?
>
> As for mount, the Documentation/Changes file recommends at least 2.6g,
> which is available from
> ftp://ftp.win.tue.nl/pub/linux/util/mount-2.6g.tar.gz . I believe
> 2.7a's out now, but AFAIK 2.6g will work for everything, so I haven't
> updated that part of Changes.
>
I'm trying to mount vfat filesystems. I'll try 2.1.47 tonight. It
wasn't out the other day...
Thanks
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From jalmujah at vvm.com Sun Jul 27 01:16:37 1997
From: jalmujah at vvm.com (jihad al-mujaheed)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:16:37 -0500
Subject: [ale] installing sound
Message-ID: <199707270523.AAA07013@ns.vvm.com.205>
I installed Red Hat Linux on my notebook computer and I can't seem to get
any sound to play. When I'm running XplayCd from XWindows everything seem
to be working but I can't get any sound to come out. What Haven't I done.
Jihad.
jalmujah at vvm.com
From paranoia at trusted.net Sun Jul 27 01:48:57 1997
From: paranoia at trusted.net (Dave)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 01:48:57 -0400
Subject: [ale] installing sound
Message-ID: <199707270523.AAA07013@ns.vvm.com.206>
jihad al-mujaheed so elegantly wrote:
>
> I installed Red Hat Linux on my notebook computer and I can't seem to get
> any sound to play. When I'm running XplayCd from XWindows everything seem
> to be working but I can't get any sound to come out. What Haven't I done.
>
> Jihad.
> jalmujah at vvm.com
Jihad--
It could be several things:
1) RedHat dosent install a kernel that supports sound by default, nor do
many distributions. You will need to recompile the kernel to add sound
support, or get the OSS sound driver, which dosent need recompilation.
2) If you have already recompiled your kernel to support sound, make
sure that you selected the right settings and the right card, or that
your sound card is even compatible with linux. (you need the EXACT
model number and chipset)
3) If none of the above work, check your /dev/sndstat file and make sure
the devices are being recognized.
To test a sound file:
cat > /dev/audio
I was wondering this same thing too, until I found out that (just my
luck) I have the ONLY OPTi card not currently supported. Worst Case
Scenario: You'll just have to live without sound or go buy a compatible
card.
Regards,
dave
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Sun Jul 27 03:42:43 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:42:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] mount
Message-ID: <199707270742.HAA24051@ricker.gt.ed.net.207>
On 26 Jul, Robert L Harris wrote:
>> What type of filesystem are you trying to mount? Have you tried with
>> 2.1.47 (46 is pretty buggy regarding filesystems, not that 47 is
>> perfect)? How about a more stable 2.1.x (the filesystem code in the
>> current 2.1.x releases is being heavily re-done, so lots of stuff is
>> currently broken)?
> I'm trying to mount vfat filesystems. I'll try 2.1.47 tonight. It
> wasn't out the other day...
If I recall correctly, vfat was very broken in 2.1.46. I don't
remember if it's any better in 2.1.47 (not being a vfat user myself).
Check http://www.linuxhq.com for patches to fix it (I'm pretty sure
I've seen some), drop back a couple of levels (2.1.43 was fairly stable
here, though I might have had to patch it), or wait for the filesystem
changes to settle down. I really doubt mount version is your
problem--that mainly is affected by the new nfs, smb, and stuff like
that.
Oh, make sure you don't try 2.1.44. It totally hosed one of my
partitions....
later,
chris
--
Chris Ricker gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu
From aesop at negia.net Sun Jul 27 11:43:29 1997
From: aesop at negia.net (aesop)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] installing StarOffice 3.1
Message-ID: <199707270742.HAA24051@ricker.gt.ed.net.208>
I found StarOffice challenging to install even with CD. I am referring to
3.1.4 BTW.
Make sure you have the following packages:
StarOffice-common-3.1-4.i386.rpm
StarOffice-english-3.1-4.i386.rpm
StarOffice-dynbin-3.1-4.i386.rpm|StarOffice-statbin-3.1-4.i386.rpm
StarOffice-doc-english-3.1-4.i386.rpm [optional]
The second package installs the English templates and demo documents. The
README also states this will give an English language installation.
Choose either the static or dynamic binaries. (Dynamic libraries are
against Motif 2.x, I think).
After installing the rpm's, you need to do a user installation. Run
/opt/StarOffice-3.1/setup as some non-root user. (I tried root but the
setup runs in an admin mode.) Choose the first option: "User
installation". The setup will create a directory tree in your home
directory ~/StarOffice-3.1, which creates mostly symbolic links back to
the system tree. The sd.sh file is also copied to your home directory as
.sd.sh and you'll be asked if you want . ~/.sd.sh added as the last line
of your profile. Otherwise, you must run this prior to invoking any of
the programs. The sd.sh script is run through a filter before copying it
to your home directory. That may explain some of the problems you were
having.
Read through your .sd.sh script. You'll notice the SVFONTPATH variable.
While adding fonts to this will not affect StarWriter, they are available
in StarDraw. I have a font server (cfs) that supports TrueType fonts,
which I can pull into StarDraw. However, I am having problem printing
them. Haven't had a chance to investigate yet.
Hope this helps.
On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
> I'd also like to know the answer as i ran into the same
> problem when installing StarOffice. I can get it to run
> by putting the following line in my .bashrc:
> . /opt/StarOffice/linux-x86/bin/sd.sh
> Well, I may have the path wrong, but it was something like
> that. However, this still gives you some problems as
> the setup program creates some user directories and stuff
> that I don't have (and hence StarOffice complains about).
>
> >
> > I need a German translator. I tried to install StarOffice 3.1 but when
> > I run the installation script, "setup" it gives me the following script
> > error:
> >
> > Line 1: syntax error at token 'I' expected declator; i.e. File ...
> >
> >
> > This error is documented under "Frage 4.2" in the german FAQ at
> > http://www.stardiv.de/staroffice/linux/index.html.
> >
> > Can anybody translate this for me? (I would have pasted it into this
> > email but I can't seem to get it to cut and paste.)
> >
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Lisa Chiang
> > gt6492d at gatech.campus.mci.net
> >
>
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
>
>
Dogbert: Has your electronic mail system made you more efficient?
Dilbert: In a way... Now I'm getting ignored at the speed of light.
-- Scott Adams
From lorraine at netdepot.com Mon Jul 28 12:31:01 1997
From: lorraine at netdepot.com (Peter Ekstrom)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:31:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Motif GUI builder?
Message-ID: <199707270742.HAA24051@ricker.gt.ed.net.209>
Does anyone know if there are any good, free, Motif GUI builders for Linux?
=============================================================================
! Name..: Peter Ekstrom ! IBM AS/400 - Programmer/Analyst !
! Email.: lorraine at netdepot.com ! Millard-Wayne, Inc. Atlanta, Georgia !
=============================================================================
From mfrancis at engr.csulb.edu Mon Jul 28 14:29:04 1997
From: mfrancis at engr.csulb.edu (Mofid Francis)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:29:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ale] Mosaic
Message-ID: <199707270742.HAA24051@ricker.gt.ed.net.210>
Does any one know if Mosiac is freeware and if so where can I download it
from..
Moe
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From geof at abraxis.com Mon Jul 28 15:33:47 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:33:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Mosaic
Message-ID: <199707281933.PAA07274@abraxis.com.211>
}
}Does any one know if Mosiac is freeware and if so where can I download it
}from..
Check out:
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for the X version of Mosaic.
Check out:
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From csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net Mon Jul 28 18:46:29 1997
From: csmith at ATLANTA.ViewCall.net (Curt Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:46:29 -0400
Subject: [ale] HTML to PS converter ??
Message-ID: <199707281933.PAA07274@abraxis.com.212>
Hi,
Anyone have a solution for printing an HTML doc with potential links
of more text/pages??
Thanks.
Curt
From nomad at orci.com Mon Jul 28 22:54:43 1997
From: nomad at orci.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:54:43 -0600
Subject: [ale] CPIO
Message-ID: <199707281933.PAA07274@abraxis.com.213>
Ok,
I'm trying to use CPIO to do a filesystem backup to a Jaz drive
so I won't have to re-install before I'm able to recover. The boot/root
disks that redhat builds doesn't recognize my Scsi-Tape...
I'm currently doing the following:
find . -mount -print | grep -v proc | cpio -o > /jaz/sdc.cpio
I keep getting messages about truncating inodes.
Anyone see an option I'm missing or know a better way?
Robert
P.S.: Will the Tom who helped me with ppp please reply?
I don't have your email...
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Email:
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perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu Mon Jul 28 21:42:00 1997
From: arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu (arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 21:42 EDT
Subject: [ale] need recommendations for a good laser printer
Message-ID: <199707281933.PAA07274@abraxis.com.214>
Hi. I'm looking to buy a laser printer for home. Thus, it does not
need to be super fast, just reliable and easy to get toner for etc.
Builtin postscript would be nice, but as this is Linux, if there's a
ghostscript driver for it instead, that will do too.
One wrinkle; it needs to work on 220V/50hz electricity, as well as
120/60hz.
Thanks!
Arnold Robbins Internet: arnold at gnu.ai.mit.edu
From geof at abraxis.com Tue Jul 29 07:41:58 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:41:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] CPIO
Message-ID: <199707291141.HAA00264@abraxis.com.215>
}
}Ok,
} I'm trying to use CPIO to do a filesystem backup to a Jaz drive
}so I won't have to re-install before I'm able to recover. The boot/root
}
}disks that redhat builds doesn't recognize my Scsi-Tape...
}I'm currently doing the following:
}
}find . -mount -print | grep -v proc | cpio -o > /jaz/sdc.cpio
Just a hunch, try 'cpio -oc > /jaz/sdc.cpio'
You may want to consider throwing in a 'gzip' in your pipe stream to save
some space. ;)
}
}I keep getting messages about truncating inodes.
}Anyone see an option I'm missing or know a better way?
}
}Robert
}
}P.S.: Will the Tom who helped me with ppp please reply?
}I don't have your email...
}
}
}--
}----------------------------------------------------------------------------
}
}Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
}System Engineer For Hire. \_ You don't understand the question.
}
}Email:
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}
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}
}perl -e 'print
}$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
}
}
}
--
Until later:
Geoffrey Myers geof at abraxis.com http://www.abraxis.com/geof
Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu Tue Jul 29 10:31:07 1997
From: jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu (John M. Mills)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:31:07 -0400
Subject: [ale] Installation (Module) Cleanup Question
Message-ID: <199707291431.KAA01376@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.216>
Hello --
I just rebuilt my 2.0.30 kernel in a 'vanilla' RedHat 4.2 installation
(using the kernel source update 'rpm'), and also built a number of unneeded
modules. At boot, 'rc.sysinit' finds some unresolved module symbols and
issues error messages, plus I get complaints about no response from an non-
existent tape drive. How can I weed out the module library to those which
I might actually use? Alternatively, how does 'depmod -a' determine which
modules to register, and how could I weed that patch? The kernel, and all
modules I actually use, built fine and appear to work.
Thanks -- jmm
John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer -- john.m.mills at gtri.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0834
Phone contacts: 404.894.0151 (voice), 404.894.6285 (FAX)
"The older I get, the better I was." -- Unknown Sage
From sjd at mindspring.com Tue Jul 29 10:28:39 1997
From: sjd at mindspring.com (sjd)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:28:39 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux sighting at SFNB
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970729102839.0081dbc0@mindspring.com.217>
I went to Security First Network Bank to open a new account, and the first
thing they did was set me down in front of a web browser to fill out an
application. (Note: you don't actually have to go there to open an
account, but I was curious what their non-virtual bank looked like.)
They've got a set of three internet kiosks that display their home page.
As soon as I sat down, I noticed the start button in the lower left corner,
but it had a STAR icon and not a windoze flag! I asked one of the
employees, and apparently they needed the security & stability.
It was Netscape 3.0 & RedHat.
This is the first business I know of that is using Linux in an END-USER
application -- anyone else know of others?
Steve Derezinski
sjd at mindspring.com
From lfs at eskimo.com Tue Jul 29 14:52:04 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:52:04 -0700
Subject: [ale] Linux sighting at SFNB
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970729102839.0081dbc0@mindspring.com.218>
sjd wrote:
> I asked one of the
> employees, and apparently they needed the security & stability.
>
> It was Netscape 3.0 & RedHat.
While people always focus on stability, perhaps the price was
right too. RedHat you can download for free (or just buy it
on CD ROM once for all your machines). Legally, Windows must
be purchased for all those machines... which when I last
checked the normal cost (not upgrade) is ~$170.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Tue Jul 29 11:54:42 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:54:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] cron question...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970729102839.0081dbc0@mindspring.com.219>
Is there a way to force your personal crontabs to run? I'm doing perl
webpage stuff, and I'd like to get immediate results sometimes instead of
waiting for the cron to come around. I'm currently doing this by copying
my crontab entry to a bash script, but this is not the best solution, or
at least I think it isn't. Anybody?
Thanks in advance!
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Tue Jul 29 11:52:36 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:52:36 EDT
Subject: [ale] Installation (Module) Cleanup Question
Message-ID: <199707291555.IAA01000@relay.hp.com.220>
John Mills was asking about module problems:
You can probably just remove the unused modules from the /lib/modules/2.0.30
directories, edit the conf.modules file to remove any references to the
unwanted modules, and then reboot the system.
Alternatively you could just turn the unused modules off in the conf.modules
file by adding lines like the following:
alias net-pf-3 off
alias net-pf-4 off
alias net-pf-5 off
To check to see what modules are aliased you can run modprobe -c
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From nomad at rocky.orci.com Tue Jul 29 12:09:57 1997
From: nomad at rocky.orci.com (Robert L Harris)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:09:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [ale] cron question...
Message-ID: <199707291609.KAA03554@rocky.orci.com.221>
>
>
> Is there a way to force your personal crontabs to run? I'm doing perl
> webpage stuff, and I'd like to get immediate results sometimes instead of
> waiting for the cron to come around. I'm currently doing this by copying
> my crontab entry to a bash script, but this is not the best solution, or
> at least I think it isn't. Anybody?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
What I do is duplicate the line and change it so it runs every 10-20 mins
depending on what I'm working on. so it would be
0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * *
to run every 10 mins.... And that way you get an "Actual Crontab"
run...
Robert
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris | If NT is the answer,
System Engineer For Hire. \_ you don't understand the question.
Email:
Robert at ast.lmco.com
http://www.orci.com/~nomad
DISCLAIMER:
These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Tue Jul 29 12:50:20 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:50:20 EDT
Subject: [ale] cron question...
Message-ID: <199707291653.JAA14064@relay.hp.com.222>
I have also seen perl scripts linked into a web page where you just click on
a link to the script to update a mail archive right then instead of waiting
for the regular update. There is one at
http://labyrinth.lothlorien.net/linux-pmac/
via the "cgi program" link at the top of the page but I'm not sure how to
get the actual *.pl file from cgi-bin area of the server.
Not sure if this sort of thing would meet your needs but just a suggestion.
--
Steve DuChene sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com 1-800-633-3600
The HP North American Response Center, Atlanta
X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From janderson at iss.net Tue Jul 29 13:13:36 1997
From: janderson at iss.net (Jason Anderson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:13:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Problem with elm file lock
Message-ID: <199707291713.NAA20560@arden.iss.net.223>
While playing with fetchmail today I have managed to get elm's lock status
into a funny state. I am not overly familiar with how elm handles locks,
but I get the:
Waiting to read mailbox while mail is being received: attempt #x
error and cannot seem to figure out how to remove the lock. there is
nothing in /tmp /var/spool/mail /var/lock or anything else that resembles
something to remove. I have even shutdown and rebooted on the off chance
that something non-file was holding onto it with no luck. I can access my
mail with other programs without complaint, so it seems to be an
elm-specific problem.
Any suggestions?
--
Jason Anderson
janderson at iss.net
From kachline at cc.gatech.edu Tue Jul 29 13:31:23 1997
From: kachline at cc.gatech.edu (Mike Kachline)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:31:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Restricting Login times.
Message-ID: <199707291713.NAA20560@arden.iss.net.224>
One thing which I remember from NT Server is that I could
restrict users as to the times / days which they could login, on a
per-user-basis. Ie, I could restrict my (non-admin) account from logging
onto the machine anytime between 2pm to 4pm on Tuesdays and Thursdays,
for instance.
Is there a way to do likewise in Linux? (Running RH 4.2)
While I am on the topic of restricting login shells. How would
I implement an "inactivity timeout" for users whom have logged into my
box and simply sit there for some duration of time?
- Mike
============================================================================
Michael Kachline - CS, Georgia Tech
kachline at cc.gatech.edu
http://brightstar.gt.ed.net/kachline/
============================================================================
From jamesp at area51.homecom.com Tue Jul 29 15:04:16 1997
From: jamesp at area51.homecom.com (james pancoast)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:04:16 -0400
Subject: [ale] X2 and Linux...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970729150410.007e63f0@area51.homecom.com.225>
Ok, I've been considering buying a USR X2 modem... I've been snooping
around the FAQ's and stuff, but was still wondering if anyone on the list
got it to work. The problem I've noticed so far is that the USR modems are
all plug and play... is it just a simple matter of getting isapnptools to
get it to work? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated...
==============================================================================
Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
From jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org Tue Jul 29 15:11:26 1997
From: jmurrah at spaceghost.salug.org (Josh Murrah)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:11:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] Aliens at the Atlanta Linux Showcase!!!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970729150410.007e63f0@area51.homecom.com.226>
Check this out! Proof that were aliens at the Atlanta Linux Showcase!
http://www.salug.org/aliens/
Joshua Murrah, jmurrah at salug.org, http://www.salug.org/~jmurrah
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From geof at abraxis.com Tue Jul 29 16:51:22 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux sighting at SFNB
Message-ID: <199707292051.QAA00943@abraxis.com.227>
}sjd wrote:
}> I asked one of the
}> employees, and apparently they needed the security & stability.
}>
}> It was Netscape 3.0 & RedHat.
}
}While people always focus on stability, perhaps the price was
}right too. RedHat you can download for free (or just buy it
}on CD ROM once for all your machines). Legally, Windows must
}be purchased for all those machines... which when I last
}checked the normal cost (not upgrade) is ~$170.
I would hope that a bank would make this decision on security and reliability.
I shutter when considering my bank account accessed via NT.
}
}--
}Andrew Newton
}lfs at eskimo.com
}alnewton at automatedlogic.com
}http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
}
}
}
--
Until later:
Geoffrey Myers geof at abraxis.com http://www.abraxis.com/geof
Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From rebus at mindspring.com Tue Jul 29 18:51:48 1997
From: rebus at mindspring.com (Jim)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:51:48 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linus in Wired
Message-ID: <199707292051.QAA00943@abraxis.com.228>
See the August issue of Wired for a great article on Linus, the origins
of LINUX and its possible future. There is even some information about
Linus' shadowy employer in Silicon Valley. It was about time Wired did a
story on the LINUX phenomenon!
From catbert at ding.mindspring.com Wed Jul 30 02:10:40 1997
From: catbert at ding.mindspring.com (William Young)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 02:10:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] X2 and Linux...
Message-ID: <199707292051.QAA00943@abraxis.com.229>
Nope. Only the winmodem is PnP. The WinModem, incidentally, also steals
clock cycles from your motherboard, which slows down performance.
The regular USR Sportster in *not* pnp, and Mighty Fine Product (tm)
William Young catbert at mindspring.com|
There is a general social trend in English-speaking countries (and most
likely elsewhere) to treat technically-educated people as the social
inferiors of non-technically educated people. This is a terrible ill
affecting our society --Bruce Perens
On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, james pancoast wrote:
>
> Ok, I've been considering buying a USR X2 modem... I've been snooping
> around the FAQ's and stuff, but was still wondering if anyone on the list
> got it to work. The problem I've noticed so far is that the USR modems are
> all plug and play... is it just a simple matter of getting isapnptools to
> get it to work? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated...
>
>
> ==============================================================================
> Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
> Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
> mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
>
From jmunster at mindspring.com Wed Jul 30 09:09:10 1997
From: jmunster at mindspring.com (Jay Munsterman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:09:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] X2 and Linux...
Message-ID: <199707292051.QAA00943@abraxis.com.230>
Hello.
I picked up an USR X2 a couple of weeks ago and it works great. Just don't
expect to get 52k connections much. I usually get speeds in the fourties.
I use an external model, so all I had to do was plug it in. Don't know
about the internals, and watch out for the term "winmodem."
Good luck,
Jay
On 29-Jul-97 james pancoast wrote:
>
> Ok, I've been considering buying a USR X2 modem... I've been snooping
>around the FAQ's and stuff, but was still wondering if anyone on the list
>got it to work. The problem I've noticed so far is that the USR modems are
>all plug and play... is it just a simple matter of getting isapnptools to
>get it to work? Any help at all would be greatly appreciated...
>
>
>==============================================================================
>Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
>Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
>mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
--------------------------------------------------------
E-Mail: Jay Munsterman
Date: 30-Jul-97
Time: 09:09:10
PGP public Key:
http://www.mindspring.com/~jmunster/pubkey.html
--------------------------------------------------------
From jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu Wed Jul 30 10:00:49 1997
From: jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu (John M. Mills)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:00:49 -0400
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <199707301400.KAA08062@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.231>
I normally read mail on a *NIX box with 'rsh' and 'mail' (probably 'mailx'),
and now receive MIME attachments. To cope with this, I installed 'pine' on
my desktop, and am prepared to install helpers as required, fix .mailcap,
and so on as I learn.
First Problem: I have received a couple of encoded files, but can't see
anything but the encoded version. Yesterday's mail included:
****
[headers, lead text ..]
--=====================_870211319==_
Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="marvshad.bmp";
x-mac-type="424D5070"; x-mac-creator="4A565752"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="marvshad.bmp"
[.. semi-infinite ASCII encoding of the *.bmp file ..]
****
I can't get 'pine' to recognize the encoding, nor to store a binary version
of the item, much less view it. How can I set up my mail reader to deal
with encoded MIME attachments? Earlier I had equally unsuccessful results
with Netscape, which is why I installed 'pine'. 'View Attachment' brings
a complaint from 'pine' that there is no attachment.
Pointers Right to The Fine Manual are definintely appropriate here.
Thanks -- jmm --
John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer -- john.m.mills at gtri.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0834
Phone contacts: 404.894.0151 (voice), 404.894.6285 (FAX)
"The older I get, the better I was." -- Unknown Sage
From chrish at ifsintl.com Wed Jul 30 10:11:57 1997
From: chrish at ifsintl.com (Christopher Hamilton)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:11:57 -0400
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970730101157.0069c658@pop.ifsintl.com.232>
>[headers, lead text ..]
>--=====================_870211319==_
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="marvshad.bmp";
> x-mac-type="424D5070"; x-mac-creator="4A565752"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="marvshad.bmp"
>
>
>I can't get 'pine' to recognize the encoding, nor to store a binary version
>of the item, much less view it. How can I set up my mail reader to deal
>with encoded MIME attachments? Earlier I had equally unsuccessful results
>with Netscape, which is why I installed 'pine'. 'View Attachment' brings
>a complaint from 'pine' that there is no attachment.
>
>Pointers Right to The Fine Manual are definintely appropriate here.
>
The uncoding type is base64. I don't think I've ever seen one for Linux,
but I know that there are several for Windows. You'll need to export the
message to a plain text file and run a base64 decoder over it.
..
---
Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
From Randy_Dunlap at ccm.jf.intel.com Wed Jul 30 11:17:00 1997
From: Randy_Dunlap at ccm.jf.intel.com (Randy Dunlap)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 08:17:00 PDT
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970730101157.0069c658@pop.ifsintl.com.233>
Text item:
If you can believe the file names 8;), there is a linux MIME pack &
unpack utility available at ftp://ftp.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/mpack/ .
I use the DOS version and it works well.
~Randy
(On the net, I speak only for myself.)
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: [ale] MIME decoding question
Author: ale-owner at cc.gatech.edu at SMTPGATE
Date: 7/30/97 10:11 AM
>[headers, lead text ..]
>--=====================_870211319==_
>Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="marvshad.bmp";
> x-mac-type="424D5070"; x-mac-creator="4A565752"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="marvshad.bmp"
>
>
>I can't get 'pine' to recognize the encoding, nor to store a binary version
>of the item, much less view it. How can I set up my mail reader to deal
>with encoded MIME attachments? Earlier I had equally unsuccessful results
>with Netscape, which is why I installed 'pine'. 'View Attachment' brings
>a complaint from 'pine' that there is no attachment.
>
>Pointers Right to The Fine Manual are definintely appropriate here.
>
The uncoding type is base64. I don't think I've ever seen one for Linux,
but I know that there are several for Windows. You'll need to export the
message to a plain text file and run a base64 decoder over it.
..
---
Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
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From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Wed Jul 30 11:26:28 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970730101157.0069c658@pop.ifsintl.com.234>
Yeah...mpack and more importantly munpack work great.
The best thing about munpack is if you have a bunch of encoded files
(base64 or uu) you can just through wildcard filenames at it and it works.
But back to the original post. Pine works great on autodecoding
attachments (well, not 100 auto ... you have to tell it to extract the
attachment), but it sounds to me like the mail you got did not have the
headers encoded correctly, and that is why you could see all the text
junk, as Pine normally tries to hide that. Either that or a bum mail.
I got an attachment this morning listed as a .wav which was actaully 3
lines of text due to the person that sent it messing up.
-Dan
On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>
> Text item:
>
> If you can believe the file names 8;), there is a linux MIME pack &
> unpack utility available at ftp://ftp.andrew.cmu.edu/pub/mpack/ .
> I use the DOS version and it works well.
>
> ~Randy
> (On the net, I speak only for myself.)
>
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: [ale] MIME decoding question
> Author: ale-owner at cc.gatech.edu at SMTPGATE
> Date: 7/30/97 10:11 AM
>
>
> >[headers, lead text ..]
> >--=====================_870211319==_
> >Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="marvshad.bmp";
> > x-mac-type="424D5070"; x-mac-creator="4A565752"
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
> >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="marvshad.bmp"
> >
> >
> >I can't get 'pine' to recognize the encoding, nor to store a binary version
> >of the item, much less view it. How can I set up my mail reader to deal
> >with encoded MIME attachments? Earlier I had equally unsuccessful results
> >with Netscape, which is why I installed 'pine'. 'View Attachment' brings
> >a complaint from 'pine' that there is no attachment.
> >
> >Pointers Right to The Fine Manual are definintely appropriate here.
> >
>
> The uncoding type is base64. I don't think I've ever seen one for Linux,
> but I know that there are several for Windows. You'll need to export the
> message to a plain text file and run a base64 decoder over it.
>
> ...
>
> ---
>
> Christopher Hamilton Internal System Administrator
> chrish at ifsintl.com IFS International, Inc.
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From c_fowler at hotmail.com Wed Jul 30 11:55:00 1997
From: c_fowler at hotmail.com (c_fowler at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] screen
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970730101157.0069c658@pop.ifsintl.com.235>
Screen will only do Vt100 emulation, has anyone seen a product that will allow a
ny emulation?
Thanks,
Christopher Fowler
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From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Wed Jul 30 12:27:42 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:27:42 EDT
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <199707301630.JAA06845@relay.hp.com.236>
uudeview also works for decoding most attachments like base64 and others.
It will also do wildcard stuff.
--
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X/CDE/Vue/xterminal/graphics support team
I am an employee of Hewlett-Packard.
From jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu Wed Jul 30 13:01:41 1997
From: jmills at bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu (John M. Mills)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:01:41 -0400
Subject: [ale] MIME decoding question
Message-ID: <199707301701.NAA09187@bismarck.gtri.gatech.edu.237>
[Thanks to those who sent suggestions on my question. I will try another
decoder as several suggested. This comment, however, speaks to another
part of the problem:]
DN But back to the original post. Pine works great on autodecoding
DN attachments (well, not 100 auto ... you have to tell it to extract the
DN attachment), but it sounds to me like the mail you got did not have the
DN headers encoded correctly, and that is why you could see all the text
DN junk, as Pine normally tries to hide that. Either that or a bum mail.
I have seen this before -- I wondered whether my first viewing the files
under 'mail' and then forwarding them to me at another host, possibly
corrupted the header information. I could try forwarding my mail directly
to my desktop and see if an encoded message is properly seen by 'pine'
when 'untouched by human keystrokes.'
Thanks again, but keep the cards and letters coming for the moment. I'm
not out of the woods, yet.
John M. Mills, Senior Research Engineer -- john.m.mills at gtri.gatech.edu
Georgia Tech Research Institute, Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA 30332-0834
Phone contacts: 404.894.0151 (voice), 404.894.6285 (FAX)
"The older I get, the better I was." -- Unknown Sage
From sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com Wed Jul 30 15:38:11 1997
From: sad at hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steven A. Duchene)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:38:11 EDT
Subject: [ale] Alphastations at onsale.com
Message-ID: <199707301940.MAA21031@relay.hp.com.238>
There are 10 Alphastations listed at www.onsale.com but at this point only three of them have bids in on them. These are real DEC Alpha workstations with
warranties provided by DEC. They don't say how much L2 cache they have though.
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From jamesp at area51.homecom.com Wed Jul 30 16:46:31 1997
From: jamesp at area51.homecom.com (james pancoast)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:46:31 -0400
Subject: [ale] X2 and Linux help
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970730164630.007e9380@area51.homecom.com.239>
I'd like to say thank you to everyone that responded to my original
question... I picked up the modem today and got it workign within 5 minutes
or so... The thing that confused me from the beginning was that on the box
it says the modem is plug and play (in the lower left hand corner). Oh
well, it's working now so it doesn't really matter if it's plug and play or
not :)
==============================================================================
Mulder, could you please explain to me the scientific nature of, 'the whammy'?
Do not taunt Super Happy fun ball...
mailto:jamesp at area51.homecom.com; http://area51.homecom.com/
From lfs at eskimo.com Wed Jul 30 21:08:31 1997
From: lfs at eskimo.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:08:31 -0700
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970730164630.007e9380@area51.homecom.com.240>
A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
alnewton at automatedlogic.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Wed Jul 30 20:26:44 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:26:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] problems with gdb
Message-ID: <199707310026.UAA30168@smtp.automatedlogic.com.241>
I'm trying to use gdb to track down a segmentation fault in some software
that I'm porting from DOS (figures, huh?). Anyway, I can't seem to get
any information out of the backtrace command in gdb because it can't find
any debug info the shared libraries, supposedly.
Here's the message gdb gives me:
Starting program: /usr/local/home/lfs/rice402a/examples/game game.kb
warning: Unable to find dynamic linker breakpoint function.
warning: GDB will be unable to debug shared library initializers
warning: and track explicitly loaded dynamic code.
Can anyone suggest what I am doing wrong?
--
Andrew Newton
lfs at eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From werginz at mindspring.com Wed Jul 30 20:48:54 1997
From: werginz at mindspring.com (Fred Werginz)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:48:54 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <199707310051.UAA02902@brickbat8.mindspring.com.242>
Can 3 Pentium Pros really be called a "supercomputer"?
Just wondering...
Fred.
----------
> From: Andrew Newton
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiats
> Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 9:08 PM
>
> A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
> latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
> stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
From bretts at cmpu.net Wed Jul 30 21:04:49 1997
From: bretts at cmpu.net (Brett Spangler)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 21:04:49 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970730210449.00932950@mail.cmpu.net.243>
I single p200 out preforms a sparc20;P
At 08:48 PM 7/30/97 -0400, Fred Werginz wrote:
>Can 3 Pentium Pros really be called a "supercomputer"?
>
>Just wondering...
>
>Fred.
>
>----------
>> From: Andrew Newton
>> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiats
>> Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
>> Date: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 9:08 PM
>>
>> A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
>> latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
>> stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
>> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
>> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
>> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
>> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Newton
>> lfs at eskimo.com
>> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
>> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
_______________________________________
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From tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net Wed Jul 30 20:51:14 1997
From: tfreeman at tfreeman.vnet.net (Thompson Freeman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:51:14 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <9707302051.ZM19642@tfreeman.vnet.net.244>
I'm sure many people have read of several supercomputer projects based
on Linux and networked Intel machines. The one project I recall gives a Beawolf
supercompter, but I've seen others. There was an article on Beawolf in Science
about 6 months ago. I have also seen a group working on networking Intel
machines through parallel ports, but don't recall the name of that project and
have lost the URL.
The thing I find impressive is that with Linux, you can put together a system
for about $50K capable of ab initio quantum calculations. I might actually need
to go back and relearn some of that mess.
On Jul 30, 6:08pm, Andrew Newton wrote:
> Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
> A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
> latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
> stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
>-- End of excerpt from Andrew Newton
--
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========================================================
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!! Free Knowledge! Bring your own bucket and shovel!
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From mfrancis at engr.csulb.edu Wed Jul 30 21:24:34 1997
From: mfrancis at engr.csulb.edu (Mofid Francis)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <9707302051.ZM19642@tfreeman.vnet.net.245>
I am interested in finding out how this was accomplished..
Please send more information...
Moe
On Wed, 30 Jul
1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
> A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
> latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
> stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
>
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From newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu Wed Jul 30 22:48:19 1997
From: newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 22:48:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <9707302051.ZM19642@tfreeman.vnet.net.246>
On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
No offense, but since when is a Sparcstation 20 a supercomputer, or
even a "supercomputer"???
Still - it's cool to be able to do something like this with a free os. I
seem to remember a project (Beowulf) to do something like that. Was Alan
Cox involved in that, or is this too recent for him? Perhaps he is
working on doing this with 8088 Linux (ELKS) and calling it Grendel?
--
Dan Newcombe newcombe at mordor.clayton.edu
"The fool who escaped from paradise will look over his shoulders and cry...So
I'll hold my peace forever when you wear your bridal gown." -Marillion
From robbie at tomservo.mindspring.com Wed Jul 30 19:18:00 1997
From: robbie at tomservo.mindspring.com (robbie at tomservo.mindspring.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 19:18:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <9707302051.ZM19642@tfreeman.vnet.net.247>
In our previous episode, Fred Werginz was heard to say:
>
> Can 3 Pentium Pros really be called a "supercomputer"?
Hey- If they're trying to compare a Sparc 20 to a
supercomputer, then they'd probably consider 30 Apple
IIGS boxes as a mainframe. :)
Robbie
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"TCP/IP will NOT be around much longer. IP-6 is supposed to
replace it in the next few years" -- John Grubor
From mstill at avana.net Thu Jul 31 23:30:55 1997
From: mstill at avana.net (Mike Still)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:30:55 -0400
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <9707302051.ZM19642@tfreeman.vnet.net.248>
Andrew Newton wrote:
>
> A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
> latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
> stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
> about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
>
> --
> Andrew Newton
> lfs at eskimo.com
> alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
check out http://www.cs.cornell.edu/Info/People/mdw/hpc/hpc.html
for lots of neat links to high performance machines using linux.
--
---------------------------------
Mike Still
http://www.avana.net/~mstill
---------------------------------
From vernard at cc.gatech.edu Thu Jul 31 00:45:32 1997
From: vernard at cc.gatech.edu (Vernard Martin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <199707310445.AAA12945@cleon.cc.gatech.edu.249>
> No offense, but since when is a Sparcstation 20 a supercomputer, or
> even a "supercomputer"???
The term "supercomputer" has been much maligned as of late since the cpu
and memory bandwidth capacities that used to only be availabe in
tradditional supercomputers is now available in workstation style machines.
Even the most prominent conference on SuperComputing (which used to be
calledd simply "Supercomputing 'XY where XY were the current year ala
Win95) has stopped using the term and simply goes by SC'XY. So what is a
supercomputer is definitely in the eye of the beholder. I personally like
the definition that a supercomputer is a computer that by the time you
finish paying for it, it is 3 generations behind current technology :-)
> Still - it's cool to be able to do something like this with a free os. I
> seem to remember a project (Beowulf) to do something like that. Was Alan
> Cox involved in that, or is this too recent for him? Perhaps he is
> working on doing this with 8088 Linux (ELKS) and calling it Grendel?
The philosphy of a Network of Workstations = Supercomputer has been around
fora while. Many projects use Linux as the base OS for projects such as
this simply because in most cases, you can run it on relatively cheap Intel
hardware and you have the entire source code available to hack. However,
this is somewhat countered by the fact that usually if use only Linux then
you have to prove that the quality of the OS does not drastically affect the
results you are getting. In other words, you have to do it on another
platform as well and compare them just to have folks accept it. This isn't
true for most commercial unices. If you do your work on a Sun running
Solaris 2.X most folks will assume that you are making sense. This attitude
is slowly changing but currently is still a hindrance.
just my thoughts
V
--
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(vernard at cc.gatech.edu) http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~vernard/
College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332
"The truth is a three-edged sword: Your side, their side and the real truth."
From geof at abraxis.com Thu Jul 31 07:57:14 1997
From: geof at abraxis.com (Geoffrey Myers)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:57:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] LILO and big kernels
Message-ID: <199707311157.HAA02482@abraxis.com.250>
I thought I posted this earlier, but I couldn't find it in the archives.
Anyway, I've just recompiled a new kernel (2.0.30) and got the 'kernel to
big' message. I found the suggestion to build it with 'make bzImage' and this
works fine. I also was able to do a 'make bzdisk' and create a bootable floppy.
the problem is I couldn't find a reference in the docs for a lilo kernel. I
went snooping around the Makefiles and found a bzlilo target, so I tried 'make
bzlilo.' It compiles but returns an error message that the kernel is too big.
I can create a kernel, but when I run lilo, I get the same 'kernel to big'
message. Can anyone tell me how to get lilo to work with this 'big kernel?'
--
Until later:
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Opinions expressed by me are mine, all mine, only mine.....
From robert at ast.lmco.com Thu Jul 31 10:17:53 1997
From: robert at ast.lmco.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:17:53 -0600
Subject: [ale] Laptop scsi question...
Message-ID: <199707311157.HAA02482@abraxis.com.251>
I'm getting a Dell laptop tonight. It has a port
replicator and a scsi adapter on that. Anyone ever
tried to use one of these? If I can get it to
work I'd like to put linux on an external disk...
Robert
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These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else.
perl -e 'print
$i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
From miff at k2.ashpool.com Thu Jul 31 10:44:27 1997
From: miff at k2.ashpool.com (miff)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:44:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [ale] laptop scsi Q
Message-ID: <199707311444.JAA26063@k2.ashpool.com.252>
>Robert Harris rote:
>I'm getting a Dell laptop tonight. It has a port
>replicator and a scsi adapter on that. Anyone ever
>tried to use one of these? If I can get it to
>work I'd like to put linux on an external disk...
>
>Robert
Robert-
I ran linux on my Dell using the port rep and a dual boot system
for some time - it worked fine. (I forget what NIC the port
rep is equivalent to) I find the PCMCIA setup to be much less physically
constraining, tho.
I would reccommend using partition magic or similar to put linux
on the same disk -or- get a second hard drive (swappable) and
use it exclusively for linux.
Lemme know if you have more specific questions, I may be able to help.
-miff
(ps - rereading your post, i realize you were asking about the scsi
adapter *on* the port rep itself... - no, I havent used it - sorry)
From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Thu Jul 31 11:28:55 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <199707311528.LAA32729@smtp.automatedlogic.com.253>
The article appears in the July 28, 1997, issue of Government
Computer News. Their web site is http://www.gcn.com/.
Note, they are the ones calling JazzNet a "supercomputer."
I merely quoted them.
-Andy
>
> I am interested in finding out how this was accomplished..
>
> Please send more information...
>
> Moe
> On Wed, 30 Jul
> 1997, Andrew Newton wrote:
>
> > A friend of mine just faxed me an article out of the
> > latest Government Computer News (or whatever GCN
> > stands for). Anyway, there is an article in there
> > about a NIST scientist that strung together 3
> > Pentium Pros to create a "supercomputer" that can
> > outperform a Connections Machine and Sparcstation
> > 20. The OS he uses to do it is Linux.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Newton
> > lfs at eskimo.com
> > alnewton at automatedlogic.com
> > http://www.eskimo.com/~lfs
> >
>
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From gnies at mindspring.com Thu Jul 31 13:21:42 1997
From: gnies at mindspring.com (George A. Nies)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:21:42 -0400
Subject: [ale] laptop scsi Q
Message-ID: <199707311528.LAA32729@smtp.automatedlogic.com.254>
miff wrote:
>
> >Robert Harris rote:
> >I'm getting a Dell laptop tonight. It has a port
> >replicator and a scsi adapter on that. Anyone ever
> >tried to use one of these? If I can get it to
> >work I'd like to put linux on an external disk...
> >
> >Robert
My next-cube coworker just got a dell latitude XPi
with port replicator
The SCSI is a future domain 9c50/950
the NIC is a smc 9000
-George
From vernard at cc.gatech.edu Thu Jul 31 14:07:37 1997
From: vernard at cc.gatech.edu (Vernard Martin)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:07:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Linux on a supercomputer
Message-ID: <199707311807.OAA22564@cleon.cc.gatech.edu.255>
> The article appears in the July 28, 1997, issue of Government
> Computer News. Their web site is http://www.gcn.com/.
>
> Note, they are the ones calling JazzNet a "supercomputer."
> I merely quoted them.
I read the article. They use the age old definiton of supercomputers. "If
it runs as fast as a CRAY, its a supercomputer". The best definition for
supercomputer that I've ever used is "a computer or collection of computers
with highly specialized hardware that is used primarily to achieve very
large scale floating point operations." Most clusters of workstations count
as supercomputers due to the specialized Networking hardware they use to
"glue" the computers together when acting as one entity. With the fall of
Cray Industries and the death of Seymor Cray, the supercomputing industry
has backed off a bit. The rate of speed increases depends almost entirely
on the middle road of off-the-shelf commoditty parts and almost no new
technology has been developed in the supercomputer only. The most
astonishing research is being done by NEC with their SX-64 vector
processing machines which currently hold the title of fastest supercomputer.
If anyone is interested in trying to build a cluster of linux workstations
with near-supercomputer levels of performance then I suggest checking out
MPI and PVM first as these are the programming APIs that are most supported
for these sorts of things. If those APIs are reasonable for your coding
effors then you can check into the hardware configurations of things like
JazzNet and Beowulf.
hope this helps
V
--
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(vernard at cc.gatech.edu) http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~vernard/
College of Computing, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, GA 30332
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From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Thu Jul 31 14:11:53 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:11:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] LILO and big kernels
Message-ID: <199707311811.SAA17795@ricker.gt.ed.net.256>
On 31 Jul, Geoffrey Myers wrote:
> Anyway, I've just recompiled a new kernel (2.0.30) and got the 'kernel to
> big' message. I found the suggestion to build it with 'make bzImage' and this
> works fine. I also was able to do a 'make bzdisk' and create a bootable floppy.
> the problem is I couldn't find a reference in the docs for a lilo kernel. I
> went snooping around the Makefiles and found a bzlilo target, so I tried 'make
> bzlilo.' It compiles but returns an error message that the kernel is too big.
> I can create a kernel, but when I run lilo, I get the same 'kernel to big'
> message. Can anyone tell me how to get lilo to work with this 'big kernel?'
Read the section entitled "Booting Changes" or something like that in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes (change the path if your source
tree is elsewhere). Basically, you need to be running lilo 0.19 or
later if you want to use the big (bz) kernel images.
Alternately, kerneld and compiling stuff as modules will shrink your
kernel size, and free up memory when the modules aren't needed.
later,
chris
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From dread at atlcom.net Thu Jul 31 19:54:31 1997
From: dread at atlcom.net (andy)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:54:31 -0400
Subject: [ale] Corel office for Java
Message-ID: <33E125B7.F42B7F8C@atlcom.net.257>
Hey!! does anyone know if Corel Office for Java will work on Linux ?
/usr/lib/andy
From gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu Thu Jul 31 16:04:57 1997
From: gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu (gt1355b at prism.gatech.edu)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:04:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [ale] Corel office for Java
Message-ID: <199707312005.UAA18367@ricker.gt.ed.net.258>
On 31 Jul, andy wrote:
> Hey!! does anyone know if Corel Office for Java will work on Linux ?
I tried it a few months ago, and it did. Can't say if it still does....
later,
chris
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From lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com Wed Jul 30 20:42:08 1997
From: lfs at smtp.automatedlogic.com (Andrew Newton)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:42:08 +2000 (EDT)
Subject: [ale] Corel office for Java
Message-ID: <199708010042.UAA01610@smtp.automatedlogic.com.259>
It's been awhile since I tried it, but the last beta that I downloaded
worked just fine. I recommend a rather spry machine for it though...
as with any serious Java app.
>
> Hey!! does anyone know if Corel Office for Java will work on Linux ?
>
> /usr/lib/andy
>
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From aedmonds at mindspring.com Thu Jul 31 23:07:34 1997
From: aedmonds at mindspring.com (Andy Edmonds)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:07:34 -0500
Subject: [ale] XWindows kills PPP
Message-ID: <199708010042.UAA01610@smtp.automatedlogic.com.260>
Greetings,
We've just started running LINUX at the Redlight Cafe (see the sig for
URL) and need some assistance.
X Windows is killing PPP, preventing us from running anything but Lynx.
Pretty drastic for the first cybarcafe in the southeast.
Fine sweetwater ale to the vanquisher of this problem.
Call Mark at 874 7828.
Regards,
Andy Edmonds
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From sjd at mindspring.com Thu Jul 31 23:18:12 1997
From: sjd at mindspring.com (sjd)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:18:12 -0400
Subject: [ale] Corel office for Java
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970731231812.0082b2e0@mindspring.com.261>
I tried it with Netscape's communicator 4.01b6 for Linux -- works like a
champ. Don't try it with communicator 4.01b5. I think netscape really
beefed up the java support from b5 to b6.
I don't think corel is going to release it until they have it ready for
java 1.1.1. Anyone remember the reported release date?
Speaking of corel, has anyone heard any more about wordperfect 7(?) 8? for
Linux?
At 07:54 PM 7/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey!! does anyone know if Corel Office for Java will work on Linux ?
>
>/usr/lib/andy
>
>
Steve Derezinski
sjd at mindspring.com
Permanent Email: steve.derezinski at alum.mit.edu
From gvence at ix.netcom.com Thu Jul 31 23:38:26 1997
From: gvence at ix.netcom.com (Greg Vence)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:38:26 -0400
Subject: [ale] The i2o Bus: A Conspiracy Against Free Software? (fwd)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970731231812.0082b2e0@mindspring.com.262>
Geoffrey Myers wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard of this 'i2o' standard. I checked out the web site mentioned
> and it looks for real. Does anyone see a way around this specification in
> order to implement Linux support? Kinda scary for 'non-members.' You can
> check out a list of the 'member' companies at:
>
> http://www.i2osig.org/Members.html
>
> There's a bunch of them. Is this for real or a sick joke???
>
> }Forwarded-by: Felix von Leitner
> }
> }This was forwarded back and forth about ten times. I got it from the
> }linux-kernel mailing list. It originated from Bruce Perens, the Debian
> }project leader (an important Linux distribution).
> }
> }-----Forwarded message from bruce at pixar.com-----
> }
> }Bruce Perens (bruce at pixar.com)
> }Wed, 16 Jul 97 11:40 PDT
> }
> }
> }Check out http://www.i2osig.org/ "i2o" is a developing "non-proprietary"
> }standard for high-performance computer peripherals. Unfortunately, it's a
> }closed standard, it requires a NDA, and you need a license to develop
> }software for it. Their terms are:
> }
> } Membership is $5000/year.
> } You can't develop software or hardware for it without being a member.
> } You can't disclose source code for your drivers.
> } You must stop making hardware or software for it if you lose membership
> }.
> } Members can vote out other members.
> }
> }The backers of this are Microsoft, Novell, Hewlet-Packard, and NETFrame.
> }It looks as if the i2o agreements are deliberately written to exclude free
> }software.
> }
> }I suspect that if i2o peripherals become popular, free operating systems
> }will be locked out from running on PC hardware.
> }
> }Please take a look at this and give me a reality check.
> }
> } Thanks
> }
> } Bruce Perens
> } Debian Project Leader
> }-----End of forwarded message-----
> }
> }The joke about it is that apparently, the admins of the ftp.i2osig.org
> }FTP server forgot to disable anonymous FTP for a brief period over the
> }last weekend, and so a someone found the PDF document with the
> }specification there, downloaded it and spread the word. The ftp server
> }has been down since then, always loaded with the maximum user number ;)
> }When they finally noticed their problem, they removed the file, but the
> }damage was done.
> }
> }Now people are speculating whether it was a mistake on their side or
> }some benevolent admin or company put it there "accidentally" for the
> }free software community.
> }
As one of the Debian developers, I can say... That the sight was
publicized by Wired On-line and Bruce didn't tell them.
Also, there is going to be an interesting announcement inside of a weeks
time. (Read 'good news')
L8r -- Greg.